Kouta trades

[Orangewhip]

What would you deem a fair trade from your team for Kouta, should he seek to finish his career at another club?

[Tio_Ray]

1 dollar and Ben Kinnear....Kouta is gone and Kinnear may actually improve....hmmmm....so I'll take Ben back and still offer the dollar.

[Sera]

It aint going to happen. Carlton are stuck with him.

[MarkT]

You can't trade kouta to anyone. No team can afford his pay in their salary cap. He has Carlton over a barrel. They would have to pay 800k of his salary for him to be even considered by another club if reports of his $1.2m or so salary are even remotely accurate.

[SCRAY72]

He is staying at Princes Park. His contract is poison for the other 15 clubs.

[evertonfc]

Nothing, zilch, zip.

Let's not forget Kouta back-loaded contract takes a jump - despite the 2003 pay cuts - in 2004.

Carlton would need to pay half of it, and accept Chris Oliver in return.

Damamged goods. Yes, it's Kouta. Someone could throw graffiti all over a Piccasso, and it's still a Piccasso, but I wouldn't want it.

[hotpie]

Originally posted by SCRAY72
He is staying at Princes Park. His contract is poison for the other 15 clubs.

If its poison for the 15 clubs, what is it for the Blues???

[Tio_Ray]

Originally posted by hotpie
If its poison for the 15 clubs, what is it for the Blues???

Justice :D

[Fred]

Wouldn't have him for free.

[Orangewhip]

Originally posted by Tio_Ray
1 dollar and Ben Kinnear....Kouta is gone and Kinnear may actually improve....hmmmm....so I'll take Ben back and still offer the dollar.

How about for a handfull of disco bickies? Your clubs been dealing in them lately. Drug dealers.

[evertonfc]

Originally posted by Tio_Ray
Justice :D

Boom-Boom.

Can't argue with that.

AFL's evil, blah blah blah.

You'll be shelling out $1.2m to a player next year. 600k gets counted under the cap because he's a vet, but if Carlton could trade him, they would.

If Nathan Burke was on the same money last year, I would have hawked him around at trade week. No one is immune when we're talking millions of dollars.

[SCRAY72]

Originally posted by hotpie
If its poison for the 15 clubs, what is it for the Blues???

A legally binding water tight contract.

[Tio_Ray]

Originally posted by Orangewhip
How about for a handfull of disco bickies? Your clubs been dealing in them lately. Drug dealers.

Really, the Collingwood Football Club has been dealing drugs...are you sure about that....I know Carlton has a rep for lying, cheating and even robbing houses (all TRUE) but i'll give you a chance to come clean. :)

[One-eyed Tiger]

What they all said....

Due his salary he is probably the one and only AFL player running around at the moment who is truly UNTOUCHABLE.

[Wojee]

Three way trade involving David Bourke and Mark Mercuri.

[Orangewhip]

Originally posted by Tio_Ray
Really, the Collingwood Football Club has been dealing drugs...are you sure about that....I know Carlton has a rep for lying, cheating and even robbing houses (all TRUE) but i'll give you a chance to come clean. :)

A Collingwood Football Club manager used a work phone for drug-related calls and was jailed last Saturday? Recall that? It's in court right now.

[bluechampion]

Tio_Ray, Orangewhip makes reference to your... marketing manager (?) who's up on trafficking charges.

I'm not sure of the details, or, in fact, the position of the person involved.

Kouta is in an awkward position. He is still a reasonable footballer. Not one worth $1.2 million dollars of course, but still a good footballer.

The thing is, he's not got us over too large a barrell yet. He has to accept the pay cut, or take the club to court. He can't play for anyone else, as no-one else will want him. He could only retire. If he takes the club to court... well, that's a tricky one.

But that seems to be his only option.
Mostly this is more David Allison negotiate-by-media bulldust.

[morgoth]

Why do we need him? When we play the blues he kicks it our way anyway.

Ha ha who in their right mind would go to Carlton????? They are the new St Kilda.

[Outoftheblue]

Wouldn't have him for free.

Yes. Why would you want the player who led the league in hard-ball gets ... for free?

[bacon buster]

kouta is still a very good player imo, and in a good team, would probably perform around his 2000-2001 standard again. but he can't carry the blues by himself now

i'd have him at essendon, but not with his current contract

[Outoftheblue]

kouta is still a very good player imo, and in a good team, would probably perform around his 2000-2001 standard again. but he can't carry the blues by himself now.
i'd have him at essendon, but not with his current contract

Doubt he'll reach 2000-2001 standards again because after the knee injuries he either can't or won't jump for marks. Still would be of value to any side although the ridiculous contract means there is no chance of him going anywhere.

[evade28]

i dont know much about koutas contract. what does it have in it that makes him untouchable?

[Outoftheblue]

I dont know much about koutas contract. what does it have in it that makes him untouchable?

$ - lots of them.

[Korn]

say he earns 1 million next year, and another club takes him and pays him 50K, doesn't carlton still have to pay him 950 K?

[Deestroy]

Originally posted by Korn
say he earns 1 million next year, and another club takes him and pays him 50K, doesn't carlton still have to pay him 950 K?
Yes.

[Black JuJu]

Originally posted by Outoftheblue
Yes. Why would you want the player who led the league in hard-ball gets ... for free?

CHRIS JUDD IS GOING FOR FREE ??

oh wait already got him....

[Korn]

Originally posted by Korn
say he earns 1 million next year, and another club takes him and pays him 50K, doesn't carlton still have to pay him 950 K?

Originally posted by Deestroy
Yes.


In that case, he is cheap

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Korn
In that case, he is cheap Yes but in that case Carlton wouldn't trade him.

[Murray]

Straight swap with Ben Kinnear

[kouta_43]

Kouta, will see the rest of his career at Carlton Football Club, and will never leave the blues. Kouta is still a very handy player for the blues and is contention of captaincy for season 2004, plus he is Carltons marketing tool. So if Kouta does leave he wont be playing for neither clubs in the A.F.L he will take Carlton to court and retire, but it wont happen, and with the likes of Stevens, brown, robert murphy, heath black, harford and other rumoured players coming to Carlton he would be a great leader for the club.

[Disgustipated]

Id love to see him at the Hawks...Harford, Johnston and a case of beer would be fair....Cute girls always have the best diseases

[Joffaboy]

I would need a ten foot pole to prod him away with. Absolute disaster for Carlton and anybody else.

[Outoftheblue]

I would need a ten foot pole to prod him away with. Absolute disaster for Carlton and anybody else.
I presume you are talking about the contract. Otherwise that's just nonsense.
You may have failed to notice that while most of the rest of the Carlton team was impersonating roadkill against your mob late in the year Kouta had 13 tackles and 35 or so possessions.
Finished second in the B&F tonight behind McKay.

[Rob]

Originally posted by Outoftheblue
I presume you are talking about the contract. Otherwise that's just nonsense.
You may have failed to notice that while most of the rest of the Carlton team was impersonating roadkill against your mob late in the year Kouta had 13 tackles and 35 or so possessions.
Finished second in the B&F tonight behind McKay.

I don't think anyone's saying he's a crap player OOTB, so you don't need to get defensive as if someone just said he can't play for sh*t.

And to answer the original question, if Carlton threw in their priority pick, i'd trade the 92nd pick for him.

[One-eyed Tiger]

Originally posted by kouta_43
So if Kouta does leave he wont be playing for neither clubs in the A.F.L he will take Carlton to court and retire, but it wont happen, and with the likes of Stevens, brown, robert murphy, heath black, harford and other rumoured players coming to Carlton he would be a great leader for the club.


You reckon the Blues are gonna pick up all those players or just some? If all please explain how you reckon Carlton can secure them all..........

[Outoftheblue]

I don't think anyone's saying he's a crap player OOTB, so you don't need to get defensive as if someone just said he can't play for sh*t.

I was just seeking clarification that the "10 foot pole" line referred to the contract. Been in a defensive frame of mind this season for some reason ...

[evertonfc]

Originally posted by morgoth

Ha ha who in their right mind would go to Carlton????? They are the new St Kilda.

We are the new St Kilda.

They are the old Carlton.

[rUsTy_mAgPiE]

How about for a handfull of disco bickies? Your clubs been dealing in them lately. Drug dealers.

hahahaha its the chick who runs the gift shop, loosing her is just gonna send the club into caos i doubt we'll ever recover, :/ pffft noob

i sopose she could send a few across, im sure matty lappin would enjoy them, thats if he gets to see them doesnt angwin live around there?

[Orangewhip]

Originally posted by rUsTy_mAgPiE
hahahaha its the chick who runs the gift shop, loosing her is just gonna send the club into caos i doubt we'll ever recover, :/ pffft noob

i sopose she could send a few across, im sure matty lappin would enjoy them, thats if he gets to see them doesnt angwin live around there?

Hahahahahahaha your club employed a criminal who is charged with trafficking a commercial quantity of ecstacy. Is that AFL sanctioned ecstacy?

Cop it sweet you sook. Collingwood have skeletons aswell.

[Deej]

Fair few smug smart arses around here, aren't there.

If I followed another team I'd say I'd take Kouta if he got rid of his manager and accepted a very fair contract. If he didn't accept the money offered, or didn't get rid of his manager, I wouldn't be interested.

He's still capable of some pretty good footy, could get a club like Port Adelaide a flag with him and Francou in the middle with the other guys they have there.

[hotpie]

Originally posted by Deej


If I followed another team I'd say I'd take Kouta if he got rid of his manager and accepted a very fair contract. If he didn't accept the money offered, or didn't get rid of his manager, I wouldn't be interested.


David Allison is not responsible for Carlton's predicament.

[MarkT]

Deej, is it as simple as him accepting a lower contract if traded? Doesn't the difference still come under Carlton's cap? If so I think that also doesn't then qualify for veterans discounting. In that case he could not be traded I would have thought.

[hurricane]

Originally posted by MarkT
Deej, is it as simple as him accepting a lower contract if traded? Doesn't the difference still come under Carlton's cap? If so I think that also doesn't then qualify for veterans discounting. In that case he could not be traded I would have thought.

Think there was an article in the paper yesterday (or the day before) which suggested that Harford was talking of something similar. ie. voluntarily reducing his payments in order that another team would be prepared to take him in a trade with the Hawks.

I'd have thought that a contract could be renegotiated at any time with the consent of both parties... surely the cap condition wouldn't apply on the basis of the old contract?

[Deej]

Originally posted by MarkT
Deej, is it as simple as him accepting a lower contract if traded? Doesn't the difference still come under Carlton's cap? If so I think that also doesn't then qualify for veterans discounting. In that case he could not be traded I would have thought. Yeah that's true, but my comments were from the perspective of a team that was considering trading for him, not from Carlton's perspective. From Carlton's perspective we are screwed over a barrel by him until his contract expires.

Further example of the former administration's incompetence and imprudent contracting. See, they screwed us as hard as they screwed the rules and it's not surprising that we're finding it hard to attract players, we just have to basically do what StKilda have done and invest in youth with the draft picks we have from here on in.

[Deej]

Originally posted by hotpie
David Allison is not responsible for Carlton's predicament. What the **** does that have to do with anything you peanut.