Is it professional, the way...

[The Clokes]

Nathan Brown is treating the Bulldogs?

personally I think it’s a joke… he has the nerve to go on the footy show… giving vague answers – saying the bulldogs is where he wants to play… and then says his manager is looking at other options…

just come out and say your leaving… and stop making a fool of your self on national TV.

[Porthos]

Professional, like clubs waiting until the end of the season to renew their coach's contract?

Professional, like clubs signing a player to a multi-year deal, then telling them that they're no longer needed and off to Fremantle?

Professional, like clubs signing players from other clubs on the basis of a high wage, then asking them to take a pay cut within a month of the trade being done?

Seems as professional as anything else in the AFL.

[MarkT]

Yes it is very professional.

[SCRAY72]

I agree with Porthos, Browny has done nothing wrong, he is just a different personality to most players and the media are lapping it up. His answer to the repetitive question about his future is naturally going to get a cliched response.
Browny will spice it up when he can. I think he is doing well to remain calm under the circumstances.
We at the Bulldogs are resigned to the fact that he might go, what we are more concerned about is the trade and the compensation we receive.

[hotpie]

Its a bit tacky, but its professional.

[hotpie]

Originally posted by Porthos
Professional, like clubs waiting until the end of the season to renew their coach's contract?

Professional, like clubs signing a player to a multi-year deal, then telling them that they're no longer needed and off to Fremantle?

Professional, like clubs signing players from other clubs on the basis of a high wage, then asking them to take a pay cut within a month of the trade being done?

Seems as professional as anything else in the AFL.

As professional as signing a player on a 1.2 mil per annum backloaded contract then trying to squeeze him to oblivion when the time comes. Good on you Kouta.

[scmods]

Is it annoying, the way....













.... people don't put useful subjects on their posts, so you have to go into it to find out it's something you don't give a flying **** about?

Yes, it is ****ing annoying.

FFS people, put the subject of the post in the subject field, that's what it's there for.

[Wojee]

Originally posted by hotpie
As professional as signing a player on a 1.2 mil per annum backloaded contract then trying to squeeze him to oblivion when the time comes. Good on you Kouta.

Point taken, but ~20% less on a $1.2mil contract is hardly squeezing him to oblivion.

[ACT exile]

Originally posted by scmods
Is it annoying, the way....













.... people don't put useful subjects on their posts, so you have to go into it to find out it's something you don't give a flying **** about?

Yes, it is ****ing annoying.

FFS people, put the subject of the post in the subject field, that's what it's there for.

Spot on, any post ending with three periods should be automatically deleted along with any spurios questions from the klokes

[hotpie]

Originally posted by Wojee
Point taken, but ~20% less on a $1.2mil contract is hardly squeezing him to oblivion.

A contract is a contract. Its unprofessional to try and sqirm your way out of it by using the guilt card.

[naughty monkey]

Originally posted by Wojee
Point taken, but ~20% less on a $1.2mil contract is hardly squeezing him to oblivion.

but it's still some serious dosh. He is still one of the first picked for Carlton.

It's a lot more than most players who get lauded for taking cuts for the 'good' of the team, which are usually in the tens of thousands, not hundreds.

[hotpie]

Originally posted by naughty monkey

It's a lot more than most players who get lauded for taking cuts for the 'good' of the team, which are usually in the tens of thousands, not hundreds.

Kouta already took a substantial cut last year.

[Wojee]

Originally posted by hotpie
Kouta already took a substantial cut last year.

If I understand correctly, the current dispute isn't about another cut, but rather something to do with how the increase for next season is calculated and also some problem with GST payment.

If Carlton was held to the contracts irresponsibly signed off by Elliott's board, they'd have been over the salary cap again this season.
I don't blame Collins or Kouta for the current problem, I blame the previous board, and Allison for negotiating Kouta's ridiculous contract.

[hotpie]

Originally posted by Wojee
If I understand correctly, the current dispute isn't about another cut, but rather something to do with how the increase for next season is calculated and also some problem with GST payment.


Yes. Kouta expects a pre-agreed % increase on his original contract, while Collins wants the % increase based on the revised contract.

You would have thought that Collins would have renegotiated the contract last year so it was watertight, and both parties fully understood what would happen in 2004. Collins cannot blame everything on the past management.

[brentoncowell]

The club is crap and he doesnt want to be there. he is not enjoying it and they arenot willing to pay him his due. He will have to go and find a club that makes him happy, it certainly isnt at Footscray.

[Wojee]

Originally posted by hotpie

You would have thought that Collins would have renegotiated the contract last year so it was watertight, and both parties fully understood what would happen in 2004. Collins cannot blame everything on the past management.

Probably part Collins and part Allison at fault that it wasn't done so there'd be no disagreement this year.
I wouldn't be surprised if the details were rushed to get the contract and list lodgment in on time. From memory there was already an extension given to Carlton to negotiate with Lappin. (I may be incorrect in my recollection here though)
You're correct, any problem with the current contract can't be blamed on the previous board. The previous board did leave a hell of a mess to try to clean up though.

I can't help but think that any other player manager wouldn't go bleating to the media as soon as there was a dispute.
Allison is a parasite.