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midaro
13 Sep 2003, 14:57
A bit of a twist on the "Best Player in the League" debate.

Whilst Voss, Hird and Buckley may vie for that honour, they are all getting on a bit, so right now on a balance of...

Ability
Age
Potential
Soundness of Body

... who would bring the greatest return for their club in a trade, and what would that return be?

As a Swans supporter I would suggest Adam Goodes.

He's an elite player who's only getting better, can play every position on the ground, has hardly missed a game in 5 years, and he's only 23.

If the Swans were to trade him (which won't be happening anytime soon) what would he be worth?

Nic
13 Sep 2003, 15:00
Ben Kinnear.

midaro
13 Sep 2003, 15:03
Originally posted by Nic
Ben Kinnear.

LOL, but you may be right - Collingwood would have to give up a lot for another club to take him.

Nic
13 Sep 2003, 15:09
:D

Darealrath
13 Sep 2003, 15:30
Matthew Lloyd.

edit: not for Goodes - i meant he'd have the highest trade value. We'd want the top 10 draft picks for him.

lamby29
13 Sep 2003, 15:48
It would have to be Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown or Matthew Pavlich.

Squeak
13 Sep 2003, 15:48
It'd be Matthew Pavlich you'd reckon.

Yze_Magic
13 Sep 2003, 16:01
Jonathan Brown

aesop
13 Sep 2003, 16:16
Riewoldt, Pav, J Brown, Judd

chiliboy
13 Sep 2003, 16:53
1) Reiwoldt
2) Pavlich
3) Brown
4) Judd
5) LLoyd

CatManDo
13 Sep 2003, 16:58
1. Lloyd clearly - simply because the Bombers wouldnt let him go under any circumstance
2. Riewoldt
3. Pavlich
4. Brown
5. Peter Street

amazingjosh
13 Sep 2003, 17:47
judd for sure!!!!

AD_03
13 Sep 2003, 18:07
Wayne Carey :p

midaro
13 Sep 2003, 18:11
Originally posted by AD_03
Wayne Carey :p

Funny now, but circa 1996 he may have had the greatest trade value of anyone ever.

Magpie
13 Sep 2003, 18:32
Adam Goodes
Matty Pavlich

In 3 years they'll be the Buckley and Voss of today.

yikes
13 Sep 2003, 18:55
How about Tarrant

Captain Sensible
13 Sep 2003, 19:30
Originally posted by CatManDo

5. Peter Street


Cheeky

GhostofJimJess
13 Sep 2003, 21:32
Here's the headline of a thread I started about a fortnight ago on this very subject.

The premise of the dollar values beside the players names is using a million dollars as a yardstick transfer fee upon which to compare all players.

1. $1,000,000 - Nick Reiwoldt
=2. $ 950,000 - Matthew Pavlich
=2. $ 950,000 - Jonathon Brown
3. $ 900,000 - Michael Voss
4. $ 875,000 - Warren Tredrea
5. $ 850,000 - Chris Tarrant
6. $ 825,000 - Andrew Macleod
7. $ 800,000 - Matthew Lloyd
8. $ 775,000 - Ben Cousins
9. $ 750,000 - Shane Crawford
10. $ 725,000 - Nathan Buckley

I make no apology for not including any players drafted in the lasy two years. The highest value of these would probably be Judd or Hodge, and possibly Kerr or Polak.

PS. I 've altered it slight since the original post, as I moronically omitted to mention Jonathon Brown in the list.

midaro
13 Sep 2003, 22:11
Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
PS. I 've altered it slight since the original post, as I moronically omitted to mention Jonathon Brown in the list.

How about Goodesy then ;)

At 28 I reckon you've got Voss to high, despite him being the best player in the competition IMO.

GhostofJimJess
13 Sep 2003, 22:57
Originally posted by midaro
How about Goodesy then ;)

At 28 I reckon you've got Voss to high, despite him being the best player in the competition IMO.

Fair call on both counts, midaro.

Two weeks ago Goodes hadn't played a blinder v. Port.

And Vossy hadn't buggered his knee.

Falconer02
13 Sep 2003, 23:21
Reiwoldt,Pavlich,Jonathon Brown,Chris Tarrant,Adam Goodes for Kpp

Mitchell,Ablett,Ball,Judd,Coughlan,Hayes,Simon Black some Midfielders.

Would all be worth a **** load, Smokey: Scarlett very young Best FB in the comp.

GhostofJimJess
14 Sep 2003, 21:44
Originally posted by Falconer02
... Scarlett very young Best FB in the comp.

That is quite peculiar, isn't it Falc. That we bend over backwards for a player who kicks 6 goals every week, but neglect a player who saves at least that many each match.

Somehow I reckon that those in positions of real power respect the worth of footballers such as Matthew Scarlett.

Falchoon
14 Sep 2003, 23:16
Pavlich easily.

evertonfc
15 Sep 2003, 00:10
Riewoldt doesn't register on the trade value computer, it just delivers a blinking message saying "Impossible Calculation".

Pavlich delivers the best 'understandable' message. "All your first round draft picks for the next ten years."

sabre_ac
15 Sep 2003, 00:29
Interesting to see that people still dont give Haselby the rating he deserves even though he is an all australian.

Black Thunder
15 Sep 2003, 01:08
The top 3 guys in terms of trade value would be Judd, Pavlich and Riewodlt, but after the second half of his year, I think Pavlich may have edged out a bit in front of those two.


Jonathon Brown would be next a bit of a way back, but not much.

Other guys right up there.

Adam Goodes, Chris Tarranat, Matthew Lloyd, Matthew Scarlett, Paul Hasleby, Warren Tredrea would make up the rest of the top 10 in no particular order.

Porthos
15 Sep 2003, 10:10
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Interesting to see that people still dont give Haselby the rating he deserves even though he is an all australian. Joel Smith is an All-Australian. Would you give up Polak for him?

Hearts to hearts
15 Sep 2003, 13:24
Who would know? It would depend so much on what a club wanted and had to trade with.

I wouldn't have thought an aging forward who can't lift his arms above his head or get off the ground, no matter how great he used to be, would have been worth a #4 pick (which luckily turned out to be #2) - but he was to Adelaide. Or that Trent Croad (even then) was worth a #1 pick, but Fremantle had top picks everywhere and it was worth it to them.

It's all in the timing and the circumstances.

ViperV10
15 Sep 2003, 13:51
Originally posted by Porthos
Joel Smith is an All-Australian....

Correction, Dual All-Australian! :D :D :D

moe sizlak
15 Sep 2003, 14:03
judd, tarrant, pavlich, riewoldt, goodes, jonathon brown

dougthelegend
15 Sep 2003, 14:11
it would have to be out of Jonathon Brown, Pavlich, Lloyd, Tredrea, Goodes u would think...
Lloyd - the best full forward by a long way and with key position forwards worth a lot currently.
Tredrea - ditto as to lloyd, best CHF - a position in demand
Brown - has the potential to dominate at CHF and very young
Pavlich - loads of potential
Riewoldt - highly rated

performance is worth more than potential imo, so it would be a toss up between Lloyd and tredrea, and KPP more valuable than midfielders.

sabre_ac
15 Sep 2003, 15:50
Originally posted by Porthos
Joel Smith is an All-Australian. Would you give up Polak for him?

What?

Anyway...
Ive always said KPP are worth far more than that of midfielders (hence the Croad,McPharlin for Mitchell and Hodge arguement), but if your going to name young Midfielders surely Haselby's name would be right up their.

Bulldog1954
15 Sep 2003, 16:04
Pavlich, Goodes and Riewoldt

bacon buster
15 Sep 2003, 16:08
i'd have pavlich ahead of riewoldt
if he played for a victorian club, he would be huge

|D_J^B_J|
15 Sep 2003, 19:18
Originally posted by bacon buster
if he played for a victorian club, he would be huge

:confused:

What does his trade value have to do with where he plays his footy?

Kenny_01
15 Sep 2003, 19:21
Originally posted by |D_J^B_J|
:confused:

What does his trade value have to do with where he plays his footy?

I think he is talking about the hype surrounding him.

|D_J^B_J|
15 Sep 2003, 19:40
Originally posted by Kenny_01
I think he is talking about the hype surrounding him.

I still disagree with it. Not all football journalists reside in Victoria. You wouldn't have a Victorian journalist claiming Luke McPharlin to be the best footballer to leave Hawthorn, would you? That sort of hype would (and has) only come out of Western Australia, the state he is playing in.

Players can be equally hyped in any of the traditional football states - ie Vic, WA, SA.

Kenny_01
15 Sep 2003, 20:08
Originally posted by |D_J^B_J|
I still disagree with it. Not all football journalists reside in Victoria. You wouldn't have a Victorian journalist claiming Luke McPharlin to be the best footballer to leave Hawthorn, would you? That sort of hype would (and has) only come out of Western Australia, the state he is playing in.

Players can be equally hyped in any of the traditional football states - ie Vic, WA, SA.

I disagree. Players in Vic get a fair bit more media exposure.

bacon buster
15 Sep 2003, 22:14
i've seen how football is covered in other states, but it doesn't even come close to the exposure it gets in melbourne. kenny is right

marcuz
15 Sep 2003, 22:18
Pavlich is a superstar in the making. Id have him over any player in the league