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36,867 tonight on top of 33,968 against Sydney is a marvellous return from a state where :
(1) Everybody PAYS for their tickets
(2) The population is 40% of New South Wales and also of Victoria. The figure is more like 30% of New South Wales but a lot of that is rural area of a non-football state.
(3) The Crows got 38,641 to their final. When you consider their supporter base and 6-year head start on us, to get a crowd less than 3% smaller than theirs was a great achievement.
Babylove
14 Sep 2003, 02:50
1) Your tickets are the cheapest finals tickets in the country
2) You are comparing yourself to a Rugby State where AFL struggles, and a state that has a much bigger ground than yours. Not to mention the fact that South Australians claim that they are the number 1 AFL state (and I have family over there so I know)
3)The Crows crowd to last weeks final was also pathetic, so comparing your crowd to that isn't a big achievement.
And on tonights crowd, there seemed to be a lot of empty spaces for what they quoted.
Originally posted by Babylove
1) Your tickets are the cheapest finals tickets in the country
Yes, but they're not the $0 and $8 that MCC and AFL members pay. If we could have people paying one yearly charge we'd get more.
2) You are comparing yourself to a Rugby State where AFL struggles,
Not completely, I did take that into account. Or didn't you read?
and a state that has a much bigger ground than yours.
I'd love to know how that makes a bit of difference. Maybe you can explain it to me when you can string together a sentence that makes any sense.
Not to mention the fact that South Australians claim that they are the number 1 AFL state (and I have family over there so I know)
When have South Australians claimed that?
3)The Crows crowd to last weeks final was also pathetic, so comparing your crowd to that isn't a big achievement.
I'm bashing my head against a brick wall here, aren't I?
And on tonights crowd, there seemed to be a lot of empty spaces for what they quoted.
The ends of the membership wing are nearly always close to empty. If you are looking for "proof" that crowds are bad that is what you first look at. The reason they're empty is category 1 SANFL members will be Crows or Port supporters, and because they have to pay for finals they are selective which ones they go to. Port Adelaide tend to have less category 1 members.
You're really a puerile little ****er, aren't you? I can't wait till Saturday when we smash your team. Although your type will still try to convice themselves they're somehow superior.
Originally posted by mic59
36,867 tonight on top of 33,968 against Sydney is a marvellous return from a state where :
(1) Everybody PAYS for their tickets
(2) The population is 40% of New South Wales and also of Victoria. The figure is more like 30% of New South Wales but a lot of that is rural area of a non-football state.
(3) The Crows got 38,641 to their final. When you consider their supporter base and 6-year head start on us, to get a crowd less than 3% smaller than theirs was a great achievement.
Just on that 3rd point, I thought the PAFC was formed in 1870 dont you have 120 years on the Crows? Or didn't you have enough fingies to get it right.
As for the crowd we will probably get close to that mark for our VFL side Williamstown today.
BTW we are waiting to see how many of you dig into your pockets and come get some at the "G"!
Macca19
14 Sep 2003, 10:36
Originally posted by Babylove
1) Your tickets are the cheapest finals tickets in the country
Nothing is cheaper than 40,000 MCC and AFL members getting into the MCG for $8 or less.
And on tonights crowd, there seemed to be a lot of empty spaces for what they quoted.
If you can find a way to get 7000 Crows supporters to pay $50 each for a ticket to tonights match, then I'd love to hear it.
Macca19
14 Sep 2003, 10:38
Originally posted by tess
Just on that 3rd point, I thought the PAFC was formed in 1870 dont you have 120 years on the Crows? Or didn't you have enough fingies to get it right.
In AFL terms braindrain. But we've come accustomed to your lack of intellect on our board. Port is 1 SANFL club. The Crows are 9 SANFL clubs. THats 200,000 Port supporters against 900,000 Crows supporters in this state.
Babylove
14 Sep 2003, 13:07
Originally posted by mic59
Originally posted by Babylove
1) Your tickets are the cheapest finals tickets in the country
Yes, but they're not the $0 and $8 that MCC and AFL members pay. If we could have people paying one yearly charge we'd get more.
2) You are comparing yourself to a Rugby State where AFL struggles,
Not completely, I did take that into account. Or didn't you read?
and a state that has a much bigger ground than yours.
I'd love to know how that makes a bit of difference. Maybe you can explain it to me when you can string together a sentence that makes any sense.
Not to mention the fact that South Australians claim that they are the number 1 AFL state (and I have family over there so I know)
When have South Australians claimed that?
1) On the first, the MCC members and AFL members pay a lot of money (we're talking hundreds or even thousands of dollars) for that privilage and account for about one-tenth or less of the MCG capacity
2) You commented that Victoria had a bigger population, and I was pointing out that we had a bigger venue to match. And South Australians have claimed to be the biggest AFL state in the past. I used to live there and still have family there
And I'm not trying to bag anyone. I think it is just sad that Port Adelaide can do as well as they've done to finish top of the ladder so convincingly, and their fans don't turn up to the final to support them. I mean that might just be that I live in a state where it is impossible to get tickets to finals games, even with my country membership. And my Dad (who is a crows supporter, but he supports the power as his second side), would have loved to have gone over for the finals matches, but we assumed that the South Australians would turn out for it, and when we realised they weren't it was really disappointing.
Ray Nolan
14 Sep 2003, 14:55
Originally posted by Babylove
And I'm not trying to bag anyone. I think it is just sad that Port Adelaide can do as well as they've done to finish top of the ladder so convincingly, and their fans don't turn up to the final to support them.
Pure, unadulterated bollocks! What do you mean our fans didn't turn up? In both home finals we bettered our average crowd during the home & away season. The difference is unlike the bigger Melbourne clubs who have 15-20,000 bandwagon supporters who will turn up for the finals, Port Adelaide have maybe 2,000 or so. We have a solid core of around 30,000 which turn up week in, week out. We don't pretend to have the biggest supporter base and the 'other mob' in town have a lot more supporters to draw on as well. People are expecting us to fill Footy Park for finals based on assumptions in relation to the finals turnout that Melbourne clubs get. That's just ridiculous. The fact is we got more people to come to the finals and bettered our average crowd, that indicates that our home finals crowds were a success.
Babylove
14 Sep 2003, 15:09
Originally posted by Ray Nolan
Pure, unadulterated bollocks! What do you mean our fans didn't turn up? In both home finals we bettered our average crowd during the home & away season. The difference is unlike the bigger Melbourne clubs who have 15-20,000 bandwagon supporters who will turn up for the finals, Port Adelaide have maybe 2,000 or so. We have a solid core of around 30,000 which turn up week in, week out. We don't pretend to have the biggest supporter base and the 'other mob' in town have a lot more supporters to draw on as well. People are expecting us to fill Footy Park for finals based on assumptions in relation to the finals turnout that Melbourne clubs get. That's just ridiculous. The fact is we got more people to come to the finals and bettered our average crowd, that indicates that our home finals crowds were a success.
You're right, I'm probably talking from the point of view of a supporter who can't go to see their team play because there isn't any tickets available.
But I do know people who go off and on throughout the year who didn't go for the finals (and it's not because they couldn't afford it). Those are the sorts of people I'm disappointed with. Especially when you have people like my Dad and some family friends (who live in Vic), who, though are crow supporters, their second side is port and they would have loved to have gone to the finals in Adelaide. They didn't organise to go over though, because they thought it would be near on impossible to get tickets.
If the crowds have improved then that is good for Port, I don't follow that side of it through the year that closely.
Originally posted by Babylove
1) On the first, the MCC members and AFL members pay a lot of money (we're talking hundreds or even thousands of dollars) for that privilage and account for about one-tenth or less of the MCG capacity
MCC members pay in the area of $500, we pay $370 here plus $40 last week & $50 this week plus $70 next week then $140 (if we can get a ticket) compared to $60 for the GF. Not only that but there are twice as many H&A games they can watch as well.
MCC member = approx $560.
SANFL member = about $670.
Pretty fair.
As for AFL members, the guy i was talking to last night paid $320 for his Essendon one, gets all home games, plus $8 finals (any team) and has a good chance to get a half price GF ticket (again no matter if his team is playing or not). Cost is much less than the $670 i'd have to pay for the same.
Babylove
14 Sep 2003, 18:22
Originally posted by Eago77
MCC members pay in the area of $500, we pay $370 here plus $40 last week & $50 this week plus $70 next week then $140 (if we can get a ticket) compared to $60 for the GF.
Is the $140 for the GF? Because if it is, the clubs set those prices. If it makes you feel better, some of the clubs in Vic have set prices between $200-$800, usually only throwing in the club GF breakfast along with the seats. The way that works is they allocate each club a certain amount (before the renovations it was about 10,000 for competing clubs & 2,000 for non-competing clubs), which they then on-sell to the general public. The rest of the tickets go to corporate people, AFL & MCC members, the media, for competitions (there are a lot of those around, particularly in Melbourne) etc.
Also if it makes you feel better, we're paying about $5-$10 more over here (that's most of us normal people who pay usually in excess of $100 for a membership, and those are the cheaper memberships). The MCC and AFL members usually only account for a small percentage (maybe 10%) of the crowd numbers. Most people don't like them, because half the time they don't show up so the general public miss out on going when there ends up being seats available (the MCC members always sits in the old green stand thats going to be torn down at the end of the year). Have a look next week, you'll probably see empty spaces there. I'll be surprise if there isn't.
The prices is set by the MCC so the AFL don't have much control over that. And the SA people set your prices over there. Perhaps you should petition them to reduce prices in accord with the MCC.
Originally posted by Babylove
And South Australians have claimed to be the biggest AFL state in the past. I used to live there and still have family there
What a load of crap! 10 of the teams in the AFL come from Victoria; how could South Australians claim to be the biggest AFL state. We have claimed at times in the past to have the best local league, and on occasion this has been true. When you are asked to explain yourself you don't just repeat the same rubbish.
And I see in your last post you've answered your own question about empty areas, it's caused by our equivalent of MCC and AFL members. Although at least the members wo don't turn up at AAMI have an excuse; they've already paid through the nose for their membership and then have to come up with the full finals ticket price.
Babylove
14 Sep 2003, 19:04
Originally posted by mic59
What a load of crap! 10 of the teams in the AFL come from Victoria; how could South Australians claim to be the biggest AFL state. We have claimed at times in the past to have the best local league, and on occasion this has been true. When you are asked to explain yourself you don't just repeat the same rubbish.
I am simply repeating what I have been told from people of your own state, if you believe it to be wrong, I'm sorry, but perhaps you can relay that to my family over there because I have used the same points you raised and my family over there argue the point all the time, so I've given up.
Macca19
14 Sep 2003, 19:12
Originally posted by Babylove
Most people don't like them, because half the time they don't show up so the general public miss out on going when there ends up being seats available (the MCC members always sits in the old green stand thats going to be torn down at the end of the year). Have a look next week, you'll probably see empty spaces there. I'll be surprise if there isn't.
So the difference is what then?
MCC members dont turn up. AAMI Stadium members dont turn up?
The only people that didnt turn up this week and last week were 6-7000 Category 1 Crow supporting AAMI Stadium members.
And as ive said, if you can find a way to get 7000 Crows supporters to pay $50 a ticket to come to a Port final then we are all ears, because we'd love to hear suggestions from all these people bagging us.
Originally posted by Babylove
The MCC and AFL members usually only account for a small percentage (maybe 10%) of the crowd numbers.
Rubbish, there were only 30,000 seats available to the public for Collingwood-Brisbane last week according to the Herald Sun.
The AFL members and MCC share 40k (50% of total) tickets to the grand final this year (according to MCG website), and that is with reduced allocation due to redevelopment. They get a larger share for other finals.
Originally posted by Port01
Rubbish, there were only 30,000 seats available to the public for Collingwood-Brisbane last week according to the Herald Sun.
The AFL members and MCC share 40k (50% of total) tickets to the grand final this year (according to MCG website), and that is with reduced allocation due to redevelopment. They get a larger share for other finals.
Stop with the FACTS for christ sake!!
Originally posted by Babylove
Is the $140 for the GF? Because if it is, the clubs set those prices. If it makes you feel better, some of the clubs in Vic have set prices between $200-$800, usually only throwing in the club GF breakfast along with the seats. The way that works is they allocate each club a certain amount (before the renovations it was about 10,000 for competing clubs & 2,000 for non-competing clubs), which they then on-sell to the general public. The rest of the tickets go to corporate people, AFL & MCC members, the media, for competitions (there are a lot of those around, particularly in Melbourne) etc.
Also if it makes you feel better, we're paying about $5-$10 more over here (that's most of us normal people who pay usually in excess of $100 for a membership, and those are the cheaper memberships). The MCC and AFL members usually only account for a small percentage (maybe 10%) of the crowd numbers. Most people don't like them, because half the time they don't show up so the general public miss out on going when there ends up being seats available (the MCC members always sits in the old green stand thats going to be torn down at the end of the year). Have a look next week, you'll probably see empty spaces there. I'll be surprise if there isn't.
The prices is set by the MCC so the AFL don't have much control over that. And the SA people set your prices over there. Perhaps you should petition them to reduce prices in accord with the MCC.
$140 is the standard cost for a GF ticket. If i want to get one (like i did last year) through the club it was about $800.
Sure MCC members don't all turn up but if they do they get in for FREE, here some AAMI stadium members don't turn up but if they do it cost $50 something! See the difference?
I was stoked with our crowd of 36k... especially when early it looked like we would struggle to get 26k. Plus the crowd was way up on last year.
However I seen Mr Wayne Jackson walk by as I was having and Ale down under the members stand after the game. I asked him if he thought that was a good crowd turn-out and he stern responded "No" and didn't look happy at all.
Oh well some people are just never happy.
SKC
blackdiamond
15 Sep 2003, 23:18
Originally posted by Babylove
But I do know people who go off and on throughout the year who didn't go for the finals (and it's not because they couldn't afford it). Those are the sorts of people I'm disappointed with. Especially when you have people like my Dad and some family friends (who live in Vic), who, though are crow supporters, their second side is port and they would have loved to have gone to the finals in Adelaide. They didn't organise to go over though, because they thought it would be near on impossible to get tickets.
If the crowds have improved then that is good for Port, I don't follow that side of it through the year that closely.
I think all clubs have supporters that go all year and don't go to the finals, its not just a Port thing as you are trying to make out. I would be interested to hear these other reasons for them not turning up apart from the money.
Do your parents get out? There have been complaints over the last two weeks as to the poor ticket sales but it appears your parents somehow didn't hear about it.
Its also funny that you state you haven't paid much attention to our Crowd attendances through out the year, due to this your points are irrelevant as you have no knowledge of us to post criticism.
You wouldn't know!