View Full Version : Who has to step up against collingwood?
For mine we need JT, Stevens & Schoey to step up to the plate to make sure we make it into the GF.
As long as Tredders, Lade/Brogan, Pax and Gav continue on with their current good form i reckon we will be in a good situation. If JT, Stevens & Schoey can get going we should be unstopable.
Porthos
14 Sep 2003, 18:18
Frankly, everyone does. We're not playing the eighth-best side this week.
Kid Dynamite!
14 Sep 2003, 18:30
I'm looking at you, Chad.
Chad in particular, especially if Tredders is going to be confined to the goalfront again. Hopefully James will come in and Schofield will step up.
And Kane Cornes hasn't really done anything over the last two weeks.
Macca19
14 Sep 2003, 18:59
Chad bloody Cornes needs to for a start. Not a good time of year to go thru a form slump. He needs to pull his hea dout his arse and work hard to get the football. He shouldnt need a rocket at 3/4 time to play a good quarter of football. Getting us thru the finals should be enough motivation.
Schofield has had a very poor finals series so far....he needs to get his running game going.
P Burgoyne needs to do more. Our defence needs to stand up as a whole next week. Our midfield could well get absolutely thumped this week so they all have to colelctively lift another level.
The Floodbuster
14 Sep 2003, 19:15
It was mentioned today that Dewy is getting his confidence back, I was impressed with his first half last night, I think he is coming back into form at the right time.
If Lade is rubbed out like Robert Walls raved on about Matty primus might be the man to come in and dent Collingwood with the Knock out blow.
Like to see the Cornes boys give the White & Black army one nice send off and enhance there popularity with the Collingwood supporters.
Originally posted by The Floodbuster
If Lade is rubbed out like Robert Walls raved on about Matty primus might be the man to come in and dent Collingwood with the Knock out blow.
Like that would happen. Robert Walls is an utter ******** who doesn't even know the rules of the game. When the first bounce was taken while the fight was on last night, he said this was illegal because there weren't 4 players in the centre, when the rule is that there can't be more than 4 players from each team in the centre.
PAfolwr
14 Sep 2003, 19:42
As Porthos said, most if not all need to step up another gear.
Chad and JB need to step up another two gears, and Stevens another three or four.
Finally Williams needs to keep his now found improvisation going and match it with one of the best in the business to give the players the best possible chance to win.
We also need an all in before the first bounce again to get the players in the right frame of mind.
Ray Nolan
14 Sep 2003, 22:40
Originally posted by Porthos
Frankly, everyone does. We're not playing the eighth-best side this week.
Bingo.
JuniorBurger
15 Sep 2003, 04:21
Originally posted by Porthos
Frankly, everyone does. We're not playing the eighth-best side this week.
Sure, but Saturday night was at least a step in the right direction.
P.S I am clueless I know who JT is but why whats it stand for??:confused:
It is possible that Cornsey is playing injured. In fact I think it is highly likely. Although it is not an excuse I think it may be a reason for the recent lack of play. From the bits that I saw, he did seem desperate, just wasn't producing the same class of play that we are used to from him.
Originally posted by JuniorBurger
P.S I am clueless I know who JT is but why whats it stand for??:confused:
JT stands for Junk Time, Chad usually only pulls the finger out once the game is won, or more importantly "pads" his stats in the last 10 minutes of a game. You can normally tell once a game is cooked because all of a sudden JT starts to get a lot of the ball!
Porthos
15 Sep 2003, 11:42
Originally posted by Eago77
JT stands for Junk Time, Chad usually only pulls the finger out once the game is won, or more importantly "pads" his stats in the last 10 minutes of a game. You can normally tell once a game is cooked because all of a sudden JT starts to get a lot of the ball! Its funny because its true! :p
Where to start ? Those down in both games. Most in need of swift kick up the behind at the top.
Chad - obviously. If Matty is fit bringing him back should release Tredrea to CHF, Matty in the square as the man mountain marking object. Junior beside him to run out for the fast lead (Matty to help keep his opponent blocked). Chad can then be on CHF. With Tredrea at CHF and Matty at FF good chance of getting only 3rd best tall defender allowing him more of a chance to have an impact.
Brogan - down both weeks significantly on his stellar form of this year's H & A. If Matty can return as well as helping our forward line out, releases Lade to do more of the rucking allowing Brogan to play down back as the floating tall defender - the best he's looked the last two weeks is when doing this role in my opinion.
Schofield and Stevens and to a lesser extent P. Burgoyne - have shirked putting their bodies on the line as Carr, Hardwick, Super Gav have clearly done. Christ guys, two weeks of punishment on your bodies for the reward of a year of being premiership players. And even if you are planning on returning to Vic. Nick surely you can see a reputation for softness in big games is going to dent your salary value.
K. Cornes - quiet, but has history with the Pies. Hopefully it fires him up.
Improved on last week, but still need to go up a cog.
S. Burgoyne - a hard one. I prefer the side with him as a fast lead in the forward lines, but lately still too lazy in parts when a forward. Set a task as a defender where he has to watch his man instead of deciding whether to chase for a lead has been more accountable. Needs to play 4 quarters.
Dew and Monty - similar to SB in only played in patches. Good first half by Dew against bombers, but don't remember sighting him too often in the second.
Needs to be dropped -
Kingsley! Wasn't that bad to be honest against the bombers, but if fit we should be adding James and Primus this weekend. Kingsley should go along with probably K. Cornes at this point in time. Schofield has done as little as Kane, but I think has more potential to lift and damage the Pies.
Well, the bad news is that's a lot of players still down on form. The good news is that's a lot of players down on form yet still were able to convincingly win on saturday. If the players above lift to their potential we can beat the pies. No one's asking for them to suddenly play the best games of their life's. Just to the form we all know they are capable of - having each done many times in the past, but not lately. If enough of them do we'll win. If they don't we won't. It's a simple enough task. 100% effort, 100% of the time you are on the ground.
Cyclops
15 Sep 2003, 13:45
May I comment?
I agree that Cornes represents a worry for the Pies. if he steps up (and maybe the Burgoynes), you are on track to win.
Tredrea's magnificence is a given (a bit like the expectation that Buckley will have a blinder too), he is so reliable and will kick 3 and set up at least as many.
You have amazing depth in the midfield. So many blokes are already giving 100% there, and they have covered Francou's absence without missing a beat (in fact your record is almost identical at this point to last year when he was at his best).
Same goes for the rucks. Primus will be icing on the cake, not the missing ingredient.
The defense is tough and elastic, only 1 big name, but a lot of big-name scalps. Not much room to improve there.
We match up well against all of these. Fraser is in his best form ever, and kicking goals as well as winning taps. Our forwards are close to unstoppable, 2 pack marking goal machines to your one (Tredrea is better, but Rocca and Tarrant kick further and straighter).
Our midfield is less deep than Ports, but still pretty deep, and theres the Buckley factor. We have a flexible defense too which constanly generates the loose man, which should see Tredrea restricted to his 3 goals and 3 assists.
I think the lesser forwards are where you can explode. Cornes has no natural predator-he's too fast for Presti and Wakes (who will be needed on Tredrea, and Primus if he plays forward) and is perhaps more skilled in the air than Clement, our most versatile defender. If he catches fire, and the Burgoynes actually put their heads down (instead of lairising on the goal-line), you can kick an unbeatable score.
The way to beat the Pies is to honour every lead, use every option, not just look for Tredrea. If you use all 6 forwards (like we do) you will find a way through the net.
Mark Williams needs to step up that extra notch, this week and on Saturday afternoon. This could well be the week that makes Choco.
Originally posted by sog35
Mark Williams needs to step up that extra notch, this week and on Saturday afternoon. This could well be the week that makes Choco.
Choco stepped up against the Bombers. A complete reversal of his effort the prior week. The difference between winning by 39 and winning by 10 goals plus (or winning this week if he coaches like that again) is in the hands of the players who haven't stepped up.
Originally posted by Andre
Choco stepped up against the Bombers. A complete reversal of his effort the prior week. The difference between winning by 39 and winning by 10 goals plus (or winning this week if he coaches like that again) is in the hands of the players who haven't stepped up.
This was only one week. Collingwood at the G is a totally new ballgame. Choco owes Malthouse a beating, no matter what Choco reckons, on the field and in the media.
I for one think Essendon paid us a little bit too much respect, Malthouse has his players believing they can win any game. Choco needs to take another step and not just breakeven with MM but comprehensively outcoach him. I reckon he can do it.
Originally posted by sog35
This was only one week. Collingwood at the G is a totally new ballgame. Choco owes Malthouse a beating, no matter what Choco reckons, on the field and in the media.
I for one think Essendon paid us a little bit too much respect, Malthouse has his players believing they can win any game. Choco needs to take another step and not just breakeven with MM but comprehensively outcoach him. I reckon he can do it.
Choco MUST think "I'll make MM react to me and my moves from before the bounce." He was backing his players and his moves against the Bombers, as opposed to not trying to lose as against the Swans. As long as he does the same against MM I think he'll break even at least with MM.
Originally posted by Andre
Choco MUST think "I'll make MM react to me and my moves from before the bounce." He was backing his players and his moves against the Bombers, as opposed to not trying to lose as against the Swans. As long as he does the same against MM I think he'll break even at least with MM.
I agree, but I still feel breaking even may not be enough. I want to see the same Choco that put Cornesy on Brown in Rd 22. Not turning the team upside down, but just something small on gameday to put the Pies slightly off guard.
Choco demands continual improvement from his players and I think he'll need to ask for the same from himself during this week. I know he's not content with what has happened so far in this season and by taking that additional step up as a coach will go some way in allowing us to progress further as a club than we ever have in the AFL.
PAfolwr
15 Sep 2003, 19:51
Originally posted by sog35
This was only one week. Collingwood at the G is a totally new ballgame. Choco owes Malthouse a beating, no matter what Choco reckons, on the field and in the media.
I for one think Essendon paid us a little bit too much respect, Malthouse has his players believing they can win any game. Choco needs to take another step and not just breakeven with MM but comprehensively outcoach him. I reckon he can do it.
I totally agree. This could be the game that makes Choco.
He started last week, and hopefully will keep it going this week and for the rest of his career. If he does it will be a very long and successful career. He is at the crossroads at the moment.
I also agree with Andre that the difference between 36 points and 10 goals is mostly up to some of the players.
Originally posted by sog35
I for one think Essendon paid us a little bit too much respect, Malthouse has his players believing they can win any game. Choco needs to take another step and not just breakeven with MM but comprehensively outcoach him. I reckon he can do it.
I think the opposite is true, not that Essendon don't/didn't respect us but, i reckon we are more likely to beat a team if they think they can beat us and go out there and play attacking. Our problem is when a team shuts us down and plays very defensive, accountable football we are in danger if we dont come to play or that team can keep it up for the full game.
I love it when a team comes out on the front foot against us, most times we are good enough to get up. It's when a team plays ultra defensive that i worry.
I'm feeling the odd man out here.
Agree that Choco coached well - I like it when he and the players are on the front foot.
Agree that Schofield, Stevens, Brogan should step up. And Dew and Monty a bit.
But not Chad Cornes. Not to any great extent anyway. My only criticism of Chad's game was that he is a tad slow to do the team thing and fire out a fast reflex handball. But surely you can't really complain about his commitment! He tried hard, and was prepared to run straight through anyone (not that this is always a good thing).
Funny thing though: - at practice on Wednesday night he marked the ball above his head time after time when on fast leads. Yet in the game this situation did not occur!
JuniorBurger
16 Sep 2003, 03:57
JT stands for Junk Time, Chad usually only pulls the finger out once the game is won, or more importantly "pads" his stats in the last 10 minutes of a game. You can normally tell once a game is cooked because all of a sudden JT starts to get a lot of the ball!
Cheers Eago, that makes too much sense for me too ever have worked it out!:D