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I heard today that Ashley Hansen has been offered a one year deal at the Eagles - but has said "no thanks" and is returning to Melbourne in a couple of weeks.. No great loss in my opinion. Would be in the queue behind McDougall, Gaspar and Johnson.
Saw this coming. Why would he bother signing on when he can't even get a game in a side without a FF.
He'll play senior footy next season for a Victorian team. Hope he does well.
daddy_4_eyes
15 Sep 2003, 17:59
I hope another club picks him up, otherwise he will have wasted an opportunity to play at AFL level without putting a foot wrong.
no1bankteller
15 Sep 2003, 18:05
Pitty if this rumour is true. He seems to have potential. Hope we can at least get a 2nd round pick for him. At least he can stay clear of injuries which is more then one can say about Gasper.
Whilst on the Gasper subject is everyone else sold on him? I know he has had injuries but he has been at a club for over 3 years now and not fully estabished himself. I still think he is suspect when going for contested marks and if he is to be sucessfull his best position would be CHB.
Any thoughts?
Originally posted by no1bankteller
....Whilst on the Gasper subject is everyone else sold on him? I know he has had injuries but he has been at a club for over 3 years now and not fully estabished himself. I still think he is suspect when going for contested marks and if he is to be sucessfull his best position would be CHB.
Any thoughts?
Unless he can string together at least half a season without injury next year, I reckon we are better off without him. Not worth the effort.
Damn, just when the Black Ducks get a player in form and producing, they go off to another team.
He has played quite well this year, but has obviously realised he is not at the forefront of Woosha's planning for the future.
His old man, Clark Hansen (ex ABC Radio), had a connection with the Colliewobbles, so it will be interesting to see where Ashley pops up in 2004.
Originally posted by masai
Damn, just when the Black Ducks get a player in form and producing, they go off to another team.
He has played quite well this year, but has obviously realised he is not at the forefront of Woosha's planning for the future.
His old man, Clark Hansen (ex ABC Radio), had a connection with the Colliewobbles, so it will be interesting to see where Ashley pops up in 2004.
If he's smart, he'll refuse any trade and go into the pre-season draft. Pretty much assured of senior footy at either the Bulldogs or Carlton. Geelong would probably be very interested as well.
Originally posted by no1bankteller
Pitty if this rumour is true. He seems to have potential. Hope we can at least get a 2nd round pick for him. At least he can stay clear of injuries which is more then one can say about Gasper.
Whilst on the Gasper subject is everyone else sold on him? I know he has had injuries but he has been at a club for over 3 years now and not fully estabished himself. I still think he is suspect when going for contested marks and if he is to be sucessfull his best position would be CHB.
Any thoughts?
We'd be extremely lucky to get a 2nd rounder for someone who has yet to play an AFL game. I do hope we get something useful though as he did look to have talent and does walk away with two years of WCE time invested into him.
On Gaspar, I also think 2004 is a crucial year. Basically stay fit or sayonara. I certainly think if he stays fit he will be in our best 22. I guess the question would be how much might his injuries have impacted upon his ability to play. Time will tell. I would say though that the club appears to have a high opinion of him as he has been in the team ahead of some others early in 2002 and 2003 (before getting injured). I don't know about being suspect overhead - never really noticed that.
no1bankteller
15 Sep 2003, 18:35
Gaspers stats for the 5 games played only averaged 3.6 marks per contest. From memory spent most of the time on the field, but I could be wrong about that. 8.0 posessions per game not an encouraging stat for a CHF.
Round Date vs. K H P M HO T FF FA G B
ROUND 1 29/03/2003 Port Adelaide 9 4 13 7 0 2 1 1 1 0
ROUND 2 06/04/2003 Hawthorn 4 5 9 6 0 3 0 1 3 0
ROUND 3 12/04/2003 St Kilda 4 3 7 3 1 0 2 0 0 1
ROUND 6 03/05/2003 Melbourne 1 2 3 0 0 2 0 0 0 0
ROUND 11 08/06/2003 Western Bulldogs 3 4 7 2 1 1 0 0 0 1
Jackovich's stats for time at CHF:
Round Date vs. K H P M HO T FF FA G B
ROUND 1 29/03/2003 Port Adelaide 8 3 11 4 0 1 0 1 0 0
ROUND 2 06/04/2003 Hawthorn 8 5 13 3 0 0 1 1 0 0
ROUND 3 12/04/2003 St Kilda 15 7 22 7 2 0 1 2 0 4
ROUND 4 20/04/2003 Adelaide 7 5 12 4 0 1 1 0 1 0
ROUND 5 27/04/2003 Fremantle 4 5 9 2 0 0 1 0 1 0
ROUND 6 03/05/2003 Melbourne 13 2 15 5 0 1 0 0 1 0
ROUND 7 10/05/2003 Geelong 10 3 13 6 0 3 3 0 0 1
ROUND 9 24/05/2003 Richmond 10 4 14 5 0 0 0 0 3 2
ROUND 10 01/06/2003 Essendon 3 5 8 2 0 0 0 0 0 1
ROUND 11 08/06/2003 Western Bulldogs 12 4 16 6 0 2 0 1 2 2
ROUND 12 15/06/2003 Brisbane Lions 15 8 23 7 0 0 0 0 1 2
ROUND 13 29/06/2003 Kangaroos 9 1 10 1 4 3 1 0 0 0
ROUND 14 06/07/2003 Sydney 7 3 10 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
ROUND 15 12/07/2003 Carlton 16 7 23 8 0 2 1 1 2 0
ROUND 16 19/07/2003 Port Adelaide 9 2 11 4 0 3 0 1 0 0
ROUND 17 25/07/2003 Hawthorn 8 6 14 7 0 4 0 1 2 1
ROUND 18 03/08/2003 St Kilda 3 4 7 3 0 2 0 0 0 0
ROUND 19 09/08/2003 Adelaide 12 5 17 1 0 1 1 0 0 0
ROUND 20 16/08/2003 Geelong 5 1 6 4 0 0 0 0 0 0
ROUND 21 24/08/2003 Melbourne 14 12 26 10 0 0 0 1 1 2
ROUND 22 30/08/2003 Fremantle 3 0 3 2 0 1 0 0 0 0
Even Jack's worst games were better then all but one of Gasper's games.
Also Jack too is not noted as a big marking target yet managed to average 4.5 marks per game.
Shame to see Hansen go without really seeing what he's capable of if thats true, but you can't expect every player to be a big success.
On Gaspar, he really needs an injury free season to show what he's capable of. On his current record you'd wonder if he'll ever get it. We need to stick with him for a bit more though.
Its a shame he never played a single game for the club. Injuries robbed us of seeing what he can do. I guess some other club must have expressed interest for him to knock back the contract or he must really want to return home.
Yeh its a bugger, ill talk to his brother tomorrow and see if its true because i do know that he wants to come back home. It was a pity he wasn't able to get a game with the eagles. I guess his footy debut might have to be with another team
Black JuJu
15 Sep 2003, 20:47
Real shame he didn't get to show his talent at AFL level with us.
Oh well, lets just hope he doesn't make us pay for letting him go too much.
That said, best of luck to him I guess...
Uncle Tony
15 Sep 2003, 23:57
Good Luck Ash, where ever you go.
Just hope we get something for him?
Black Thunder
16 Sep 2003, 00:57
damn shame that one - I've always said that a club should never delist anyone without giving them at least 3 games to show what they can do unless in extreme circumstance where the game is no inept at lower levels.
I just hope it doesn't bite us in the ass by going to a Vic club and becoming a very good (or even decent) senior player....
TheRealBuzz
16 Sep 2003, 01:55
Pretty strange for a bloke in his position to knock back a contract. I wonder if a Victorian club has guaranteed him a spot on their list?
Oh well, good luck to him.
larrikin
16 Sep 2003, 04:07
If his heart wasn't in it (because he wanted to go home) it may have reflected in his attitude around the club - hence no games.
Pure speculation with absolutely no facts to base it on, but sometimes that seems to be what a lot of BF is about:D
Goldenblue
16 Sep 2003, 10:43
Originally posted by masai
Damn, just when the Black Ducks get a player in form and producing, they go off to another team.
He has played quite well this year, but has obviously realised he is not at the forefront of Woosha's planning for the future.
His old man, Clark Hansen (ex ABC Radio), had a connection with the Colliewobbles, so it will be interesting to see where Ashley pops up in 2004.
Ron Skender and Christian Kelly come to mind too.
Pity about Hansen, I thought some performances with the Ducks would have given him an opportunity with the Eagles this year, but that was not the case.
Still wish him all the best for whatever club he does play for.
Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
Pretty strange for a bloke in his position to knock back a contract. I wonder if a Victorian club has guaranteed him a spot on their list?
Oh well, good luck to him.
1 yr contract = we don't think you are good enough for senior footy but will hedge our bets and hang on to you for another season just in case.
Not surprising he turned it down if you ask me. Much better chance of getting a game in Melbourne.
Voice of Reason
16 Sep 2003, 12:05
Originally posted by larrikin
If his heart wasn't in it (because he wanted to go home) it may have reflected in his attitude around the club - hence no games.
Pure speculation with absolutely no facts to base it on, but sometimes that seems to be what a lot of BF is about:D
When I met him at a function earlier in the year, he seemed happy and enjoying himself. I certainly didn't get the impression he wanted to "go home".
Perhaps the failure to get a game by the end of the year made him feel he was too far back in the queue.
Streaker
16 Sep 2003, 12:14
What seems even more suprising is that Troy Wilson said in his interview that Woosha was looking at playing the younger guys next year.
If Hansen has knocked back a contract it may be a big mistake on his behalf, especially if he doesn't get picked up by another club.
larrikin
16 Sep 2003, 12:29
Originally posted by Voice of Reason
When I met him at a function earlier in the year, he seemed happy and enjoying himself. I certainly didn't get the impression he wanted to "go home".
Perhaps the failure to get a game by the end of the year made him feel he was too far back in the queue.
Yep, a likely scenario. You would've thought another contract but help that feeling, but if there's a chance for a regular game in Melbourne next year possibly that lure is stronger.
no1bankteller
16 Sep 2003, 12:32
Maybe it is only a negotiation ploy and Hansen wants a longer term deal. From a players perspective what is the club saying about you if they are only offering you a one year deal. If WCE are serious about Henson for long term maybe a two year deal is what is needed.
Cheers
scooter600x
16 Sep 2003, 12:58
He would have played senior footy this year at the Dogs for sure. We'd have him in a flash.
no1bankteller
16 Sep 2003, 13:03
Originally posted by scooter600x
He would have played senior footy this year at the Dogs for sure. We'd have him in a flash.
You can have him!!!
First round draft pick, thanks!
;) ;) ;) ;)
scooter600x
16 Sep 2003, 14:32
Originally posted by no1bankteller
You can have him!!!
First round draft pick, thanks!
;) ;) ;) ;)
From memory, didn't you guys take him with pick 34?
We have pick 34. Give you your money back.
no1bankteller
16 Sep 2003, 14:35
Originally posted by scooter600x
From memory, didn't you guys take him with pick 34?
We have pick 34. Give you your money back.
Ok you twisted my arm. You can have Hansen and Wilson for your first pick then and we will throw in a set of steak knives.
Bulldogs forward line could then look like
Bandy Wilson Brown
Hansen at CHF
Originally posted by scooter600x
From memory, didn't you guys take him with pick 34?
We have pick 34. Give you your money back.
Pick 38 in the 2001 draft - much stronger draft than this year.
He was actually predicted by a few to be a late 1st / early 2nd rounder in the phantom drafts back then. Bit of a steal at 34, although it's irrelevant now - How about your 2nd rd pick?
Chopper24
16 Sep 2003, 14:47
I suppose Hansen reportedly wanting to leave isn’t too much of a surprise, he’s arguably behind players like Glass, McDougall, Staker, Gaspar, Johnson and Lynch in the KPP depth chart. But as a young player looking for opportunities and the chance to improve his skills, does anyone think that maybe he simply doesn't want to bide his time in the WAFL? If given the choice between playing in the WAFL and the second tier league in Victoria or SA in order to crack it into the AFL, I think he'd choose Victoria and SA without too much hesitation.
As a passionate West Australian I don’t want to bash the local product, but could the drop-off in talent from say the VFL and SANFL to the WAFL be hurting the Eagles chances in retaining young, developing interstate players? Or similarly, could it take longer for our KPP to adapt to AFL playing conditions after being conditioned in the WAFL say compared to a young KPP coming up through the ranks in the VFL?
no1bankteller
16 Sep 2003, 14:57
Originally posted by Chopper24
If given the choice between playing in the WAFL and the second tier league in Victoria or SA in order to crack it into the AFL, I think he'd choose Victoria and SA without too much hesitation.
I think the main thing with Hansen is why would he stay and play in a second tier comp in WA when he could do so closer to his family and friends in Victoria. I guess if he was getting a go in the AFL then the pull of family and friends in your home state is less so.
Just my view!
Originally posted by Chopper24
I suppose Hansen reportedly wanting to leave isn’t too much of a surprise, he’s arguably behind players like Glass, McDougall, Staker, Gaspar, Johnson and Lynch in the KPP depth chart. But as a young player looking for opportunities and the chance to improve his skills, does anyone think that maybe he simply doesn't want to bide his time in the WAFL? If given the choice between playing in the WAFL and the second tier league in Victoria or SA in order to crack it into the AFL, I think he'd choose Victoria and SA without too much hesitation.
As a passionate West Australian I don’t want to bash the local product, but could the drop-off in talent from say the VFL and SANFL to the WAFL be hurting the Eagles chances in retaining young, developing interstate players? Or similarly, could it take longer for our KPP to adapt to AFL playing conditions after being conditioned in the WAFL say compared to a young KPP coming up through the ranks in the VFL?
Behind McDougall, Staker, Lynch & Gaspar maybe. Glass is at the other end of the ground. He'd be right to be annoyed if he was considered behind Johnson though.
He's pretty much ready to make a senior debut, yet the Eagles only offer him a 1yr contract. Comes down to where he thinks he has a future in senior footy, I don't think 2nd tier leagues would have contributed to his decision.
I have a feeling that Woosha/Suma & co are maybe setting the bar a little too high for our crop of KPP's. Frankly by the time we re-populate our list after delistings & retirements, I don't see a trade or a draft pick that's going to make up for the 2 years of effort put into Hansen.
[edit] Note to Woosha, read BigFooty (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71422&perpage=15&highlight=Hansen&pagenumber=2)
The Chemist
16 Sep 2003, 18:55
So he is going for sure or is this a rumor? and what do you think we could get for him?
Black JuJu
25 Apr 2005, 17:06
Pretty glad this turned out to be dud information now aren't we? ;) :cool: