View Full Version : Jaeger O'Meara whats he worth?
YearOfTheCotch10
14 Jul 2011, 16:54
I guess there has been a lot of speculation surrounding this kid and where he will end up with many teams rumoured as being interested. Being a Richmond supporter I have heard we may be in pursuit and hope like hell we go after him hard. Would Foley by himself be enough or would he need to be packaged with a draft pick or another player even? Just wondering what you guys think it would take to get a trade across the line?
GiantForce
14 Jul 2011, 17:12
I guess there has been a lot of speculation surrounding this kid and where he will end up with many teams rumoured as being interested. Being a Richmond supporter I have heard we may be in pursuit and hope like hell we go after him hard. Would Foley by himself be enough or would he need to be packaged with a draft pick or another player even? Just wondering what you guys think it would take to get a trade across the line?
Jag would be be Pick #1 in 2012 (aka a Superdraft). Your getting this kid for an extra 12 months. Imagine what he can do with that years training/reserves under his belt!
It is going to take ALOT to get him. Foley + 1st Round Draft Pick for the 1st selection in the Mini Draft (aka Jag O'Meara) probaley wouldn't be enough IMO. Clubs will create one big arse bidding war for this kid
Gazza_11
14 Jul 2011, 18:26
Then again Luke McPharlin and Trent Croad were once exchanged for Pick 1 in another superdraft (as well as picks 20 and 36).
Ideas tossed up on our board have been players such as Jones, Bennell, Bate, Wonna, Dunn, Maric, Strauss, Morton etc as well as picks (perhaps compensation picks) for a pick in the mini draft. Thoughts? Those names probably won't get it done tbh, but maybe others?
JR SWALLOW
14 Jul 2011, 18:27
What happens if clubs wont give up what GWS are asking the crows being the first to back down if every club does that do they keep the picks because all clubs could just offer up crap and they would have to choose the best deal from a list of fringe offerings?
GiantForce
14 Jul 2011, 18:46
What happens if clubs wont give up what GWS are asking the crows being the first to back down if every club does that do they keep the picks because all clubs could just offer up crap and they would have to choose the best deal from a list of fringe offerings?
We will take the best offer that comes around, simple. The players must be traded.
However it will create a bidding war. If all the clubs decide to offer crap (Which wont happen), one club will offer a slightly not as crap deal, then another club will offer a deal better than that and it will start of a chain reaction.
captainMyCaptain
14 Jul 2011, 18:53
No they don't have to be traded it just means that we will have 4 possible pick to trade next year instead of spliting them over two year. Also if we don't get a deal done for O'Meara then it is highly likely that we will be able to get him in the draft next year ourself. So it will have to be a good deal to get him in the mini draft.
Or as was previously reported:
Giants coach Kevin Sheedy told The West Australian GWS would only part with these four concession picks for superstars with plenty of time left in the game.
AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehan also predicted clubs would have to trade a "quality player" and possibly an early draft pick to get their hands on these selections
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/117451/default.aspx
What happens if clubs wont give up what GWS are asking the crows being the first to back down if every club does that do they keep the picks because all clubs could just offer up crap and they would have to choose the best deal from a list of fringe offerings?
Crows haven't really backed out. They can still bid on the picks and probably pick Kennedy, because I'm sure some other club would have nominated him.
To be honest, asking on the GWS board wouldn't be the best idea for a fair idea. :) The Drafts and Trading board would give better estimates. However Emma Quayle was saying pick 4 would definitely get the GC the first pick, and that they were thinking about it, so you'd have to have something comparable to that.
GiantForce
14 Jul 2011, 22:15
No they don't have to be traded it just means that we will have 4 possible pick to trade next year instead of spliting them over two year. Also if we don't get a deal done for O'Meara then it is highly likely that we will be able to get him in the draft next year ourself. So it will have to be a good deal to get him in the mini draft.
Or as was previously reported:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/117451/default.aspx
Thats what I meant. I coulda re-worded my post better - They have to be traded over the 2 years. We cant keep them.
GiantForce
14 Jul 2011, 22:20
Crows haven't really backed out. They can still bid on the picks and probably pick Kennedy, because I'm sure some other club would have nominated him.
To be honest, asking on the GWS board wouldn't be the best idea for a fair idea. :) The Drafts and Trading board would give better estimates. However Emma Quayle was saying pick 4 would definitely get the GC the first pick, and that they were thinking about it, so you'd have to have something comparable to that.
Whats Emma's thinking behind that? Selection #1 in the Mini Draft will be Jag. Without this mini draft he'll go #1 in the 2012 superdraft (At worst #2 behind Lachie Whitfield).
So how on earth will Pick #4 in a draft with a normal amount of talent (and a draft where we already have a truck load of high picks) get GC a player 12 months early (Imagine the training development they can get into him!) who will go #1 in a superdraft?
Gazza_11
14 Jul 2011, 22:29
The top end talent in 2011 is just as good as 2012. And you'll be getting a player one year earlier, so that means a year more of development and game time so he'll start performing earlier. Plus you might not even finish last in 2012, or Brisbane, Port and the Gold Coast could snare a priority pick before the first round.
free at last
14 Jul 2011, 22:49
Jag would be be Pick #1 in 2012 (aka a Superdraft). Your getting this kid for an extra 12 months. Imagine what he can do with that years training/reserves under his belt!
It is going to take ALOT to get him. Foley + 1st Round Draft Pick for the 1st selection in the Mini Draft (aka Jag O'Meara) probaley wouldn't be enough IMO. Clubs will create one big arse bidding war for this kid
Darling would've gone top 3 in 2009.
Fast forward a year and Darling slips to pick 26.
A year in football is a lifetime.Just look at west coast from this year to last year.
GiantForce
15 Jul 2011, 00:05
The top end talent in 2011 is just as good as 2012. And you'll be getting a player one year earlier, so that means a year more of development and game time so he'll start performing earlier. Plus you might not even finish last in 2012, or Brisbane, Port and the Gold Coast could snare a priority pick before the first round.
Pre First Round Priority Picks dont come back til 2013 I believe (Or is it 2012?)
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Darling only dropped because a few off field incidents tho. That's different
The top end talent in 2011 is just as good as 2012. And you'll be getting a player one year earlier, so that means a year more of development and game time so he'll start performing earlier. Plus you might not even finish last in 2012, or Brisbane, Port and the Gold Coast could snare a priority pick before the first round.
I think Gazza pretty much nailed it. The question isn't so much what he's worth, but what are we offered. If other clubs go nuts and start a bidding war, brilliant. But pick 4 seems to be the baseline at the moment. I don't think what other clubs offer is going to jump between this year and the next so it probably won't be holding on to picks between this round and the next.
Pre First Round Priority Picks dont come back til 2013 I believe (Or is it 2012?)
Pretty sure it's 2012. Basically once GC and us are done molesting the draft. :D
Darling only dropped because a few off field incidents tho. That's different
Rich dropped from a #1 pick to #7 over the course of a year as other players developed. It's pretty rare for the top three expected picks a year out to end up being the top three in the actual draft.
GiantForce
15 Jul 2011, 08:09
I think Gazza pretty much nailed it. The question isn't so much what he's worth, but what are we offered. If other clubs go nuts and start a bidding war, brilliant. But pick 4 seems to be the baseline at the moment. I don't think what other clubs offer is going to jump between this year and the next so it probably won't be holding on to picks between this round and the next.
Pretty sure it's 2012. Basically once GC and us are done molesting the draft. :D
Rich dropped from a #1 pick to #7 over the course of a year as other players developed. It's pretty rare for the top three expected picks a year out to end up being the top three in the actual draft.
Rich was looking like top 3...not #1......and his form the next he warranted a top 3 or even #1 selection. As has Darling this year
captainMyCaptain
15 Jul 2011, 08:59
This article highlights that we will only take quality players and that if we dont get a deal that we are happy with this year then we will bank the pick until next year.:
We just tried to get a feel from them [GWS] as to what the sort of thing they would be looking for," Harper told FIVEaa.
"We didn't get to names. [Recruiting manager] Matthew Rendell was more so talking about, 'would you be interested in bottom-end players on our list? Or would it have to be the top players?
"They indicated they'd only be interested in talking about your top four or five players on the list.
"In relation to what type of player we would want for those 17-year-old picks, at the minute until we really sit down and know what uncontracted players we've got through and how many of the pre-listed players or previously-nominated players are mature-age bodies, we're really dealing with fresh air.
"We really haven't discussed anything in relation to players or picks or anything with any clubs."
Last month, GWS coach Kevin Sheedy said the club would only part with the concession picks for "superstars" with plenty of time left in the game.
If the Giants aren't satisfied with the bids they receive this year, they have the option of hanging onto some or all of the concession selections and trading them away next year.
It's been suggested the club could retain two or more of the selections and then exchange them for picks next year to bolster its position in what's been dubbed a 'super draft'.
"At this stage, we're in the situation where we're waiting to see which kids nominate by the 1st of August," Silvagni said.
"We've got the ability to do two this year and two next year, or one this year and three next year.
"Maybe, we'll leave all four until next year, or do all four this year. We don't know yet."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118593/default.aspx
captainMyCaptain
15 Jul 2011, 09:03
Whats Emma's thinking behind that? Selection #1 in the Mini Draft will be Jag. Without this mini draft he'll go #1 in the 2012 superdraft (At worst #2 behind Lachie Whitfield).
So how on earth will Pick #4 in a draft with a normal amount of talent (and a draft where we already have a truck load of high picks) get GC a player 12 months early (Imagine the training development they can get into him!) who will go #1 in a superdraft?
I think because Emma is so focused on the kids in the draft that she doesnt see the value that a ready made player would have especially given how many top kids we alreay have, and that we add to in this draft.
I am very much of the view that a quality player and a compensation pick would get the deal done, especially if that player is kpp.
free at last
15 Jul 2011, 09:20
Pre First Round Priority Picks dont come back til 2013 I believe (Or is it 2012?)
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Darling only dropped because a few off field incidents tho. That's different
Makes a few clubs look stupid now though!
These kids are only human after all.Some of the recruiters should get their heads out of their a***.
Whats Emma's thinking behind that? Selection #1 in the Mini Draft will be Jag. Without this mini draft he'll go #1 in the 2012 superdraft (At worst #2 behind Lachie Whitfield).
So how on earth will Pick #4 in a draft with a normal amount of talent (and a draft where we already have a truck load of high picks) get GC a player 12 months early (Imagine the training development they can get into him!) who will go #1 in a superdraft?
Yeah I don't think the logic follows either. You're basically trade a very good player, for a player who probably won't be as good as him in 2013. These picks are surely designed to get GWS players who can deliver now, players who will be better than the likes of O'Meara in 2013, 2014 and 2015.
If pick 4 is the best they can receive for him they might as well take their chances in the draft the next year.
Gazza_11
15 Jul 2011, 13:47
If there's any chance of him coming to us, hopefully the club makes it happen.
Imagine a 2015 midfield of Scully, Trengove, Viney, McKenzie, Gysberts and O'Meara. Chuck in Morton, Sylvia, Moloney, etc. Far out, we'd be invincible :p
captainMyCaptain
15 Jul 2011, 14:21
If there's any chance of him coming to us, hopefully the club makes it happen.
Imagine a 2015 midfield of Scully, Trengove, Viney, McKenzie, Gysberts and O'Meara. Chuck in Morton, Sylvia, Moloney, etc. Far out, we'd be invincible :p
Will come 2015 Scully will be leading GWS to our first flag, but as far as getting O'Meara you would need to give up the likes of Trengove, Grimes and Moloney - so if melb does that then you could end up with O'Meara.
Gee Dubya
15 Jul 2011, 14:43
I guess there has been a lot of speculation surrounding this kid and where he will end up with many teams rumoured as being interested. Being a Richmond supporter I have heard we may be in pursuit and hope like hell we go after him hard. Would Foley by himself be enough or would he need to be packaged with a draft pick or another player even? Just wondering what you guys think it would take to get a trade across the line?
Foley could tempt GWS.
How old is he?
captainMyCaptain
15 Jul 2011, 14:47
Foley could tempt GWS.
How old is he?
The only concern with foley is the injury issues he has had in the past, if it wasnt for that going after him would make alot of sense.
divvydan
15 Jul 2011, 14:57
How would GWS consider a first round compensation pick?
Pick would be the one taken after your pick for your finishing position on the ladder.
If you were to finish last in 2012, in theory this could end up being pick #2 in that draft.
captainMyCaptain
15 Jul 2011, 15:16
How would GWS consider a first round compensation pick?
Pick would be the one taken after your pick for your finishing position on the ladder.
If you were to finish last in 2012, in theory this could end up being pick #2 in that draft.
I think a compensation pick plus a player would do the deal.
but the compensation pick you mentioned would already put you ahead of gold coast pick 4 in this draft for mine.
YearOfTheCotch10
15 Jul 2011, 17:33
Foley could tempt GWS.
How old is he?
he will be 26 at the start of next season. Has probably exceeded peoples expectations and come back and played some seriously good footy coming off no pre season, i think he's averaging around 22 touches this season. Would hate to see him go as he is a real leader at the club and next season with a preseason under his belt he could get back to his pre-injured best, remember he was selected in the Victorian side a few years back. But i think a trade may just work out well for both clubs, you get a hard working, leader that really exemplifies everything about the western suburbs of sydney and we get a polished youngster that could go in tandem with cotchin, conca and martin to create one of the most promising midfields in the competition. Doubt the club will be willing to let him go, but youve got to give something good to get something good.
captainMyCaptain
16 Jul 2011, 01:35
he will be 26 at the start of next season. Has probably exceeded peoples expectations and come back and played some seriously good footy coming off no pre season, i think he's averaging around 22 touches this season. Would hate to see him go as he is a real leader at the club and next season with a preseason under his belt he could get back to his pre-injured best, remember he was selected in the Victorian side a few years back. But i think a trade may just work out well for both clubs, you get a hard working, leader that really exemplifies everything about the western suburbs of sydney and we get a polished youngster that could go in tandem with cotchin, conca and martin to create one of the most promising midfields in the competition. Doubt the club will be willing to let him go, but youve got to give something good to get something good.
Fair enough, but I was just thinking given the reported interest that GWS had in getting Deledio for 2013 would it make sense to put him up to get the first pick in the mini draft rather then take the chance of losing him and hoping the compensation pick turned out ok.
I could actually see the deal being GWS gets Deledio, and you get the first pick in the mini draft plus as a sweetener we also give you our pick 27 which is the first pick of the 2nd round.
Here is the old article on GWS showing interest in Deledio.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-desperate-to-retain-star-midfielder/story-e6frf9jf-1226051760035
Buddy Guy
16 Jul 2011, 13:18
Hi guys,
Sorry for intruding on your board.
Really interesting times isnt it?
I am loving the speculation and inuendo surrounding the uncontracted players and the discussion about the mini draft is adding a completely new dimension to this season, Jaeger O'Meara is sending clubs and fans alike into a frenzy.
I have no idea if the Hawks are looking to be a major player in attempting to snare one of the picks in the mini draft, I think we seriously dropped the ball last year by not dealing with GC on Tendai Mzungu as he was definitely on our radar, and hope that this year that they wont let the same opportunities slide.
So my question is, who would be a realisitic option from Hawthorn that would get us into this mini draft?
Would a player like Jordan Lewis or Brad Sewell be enough or would need to package one of them with a pick?
Both would offer a lot to your young kids in the way of leadership and obviously have the big strong bodies to offer that "protection" to your youngsters as they are developing.
Your crop of youngsters are going to be incredible and I wish you every success next year.
captainMyCaptain
16 Jul 2011, 13:41
Hi guys,
Sorry for intruding on your board.
Really interesting times isnt it?
I am loving the speculation and inuendo surrounding the uncontracted players and the discussion about the mini draft is adding a completely new dimension to this season, Jaeger O'Meara is sending clubs and fans alike into a frenzy.
I have no idea if the Hawks are looking to be a major player in attempting to snare one of the picks in the mini draft, I think we seriously dropped the ball last year by not dealing with GC on Tendai Mzungu as he was definitely on our radar, and hope that this year that they wont let the same opportunities slide.
So my question is, who would be a realisitic option from Hawthorn that would get us into this mini draft?
Would a player like Jordan Lewis or Brad Sewell be enough or would need to package one of them with a pick?
Both would offer a lot to your young kids in the way of leadership and obviously have the big strong bodies to offer that "protection" to your youngsters as they are developing.
Your crop of youngsters are going to be incredible and I wish you every success next year.
Thanks for the sentiment, my way of thinking is that one of those players plus a compensation pick would be around the mark, but if there is no compensation pick on the table then it will take 2 players to get the job done.
If the club was ballsy enough.
I'd be inclined to offer McIntosh and a pick.
Which should certainly be enough, McIntosh's open trade value is probably Pick 8-15 imo.
The ruck is also one of the hardest positions to cover properly, and you would then have a genuinely high quality #1 ruckman right from the get go.
Either way, the weight of the world could be on this kid, if a club has to part with a pretty decent player for him.
How would GWS consider a first round compensation pick?
Pick would be the one taken after your pick for your finishing position on the ladder.
If you were to finish last in 2012, in theory this could end up being pick #2 in that draft.
No it doesn't.
The band 3 picks are taken at the end of the first round, i.e as for next year, pick 19 and higher.
The only pick in existance like the one you are describing is one of the Ablett picks, which has since been traded to the GC.\
divvydan
16 Jul 2011, 18:12
No it doesn't.
The band 3 picks are taken at the end of the first round, i.e as for next year, pick 19 and higher.
The only pick in existance like the one you are describing is one of the Ablett picks, which has since been traded to the GC.\
I was referring to a potential Band 2 pick if we lost Ward this year, rather than the Band 3 pick from last year which we already traded to Brisbane for Sherman.
I'd jump at Lewis, Sewell or especially MacIntosh. However it really depends on what is on offer by other clubs. I think an offer of any of those would get a foot in the door, but if it gets into a bidding war (and it might, it's not often that pick 1 is up for sale) who knows where it could end up.
hdecure
17 Jul 2011, 11:57
Gold Coast's win may have cost them Jaeger O'Meara. That win puts them in 16th and draft pick 6. Port will now get pick 4 if they finish bottom.
I can't understand how someone who would go top 2 in a super draft is worth pick 4 in a thin draft. I would want a top 5 pick and another player.
I don't think these players have to be traded because the players have to agree to be involved in this mini draft in 2011. If one of these players does not agree to join a club in 2011, then he will not be involved in the mini draft. You would be silly not to get involved in the Mini Draft. You get a full years worth of training at a AFL club and get to play senior footy in a state league.
If Gubby Allen truly believes GWS can win a flag in 4-5 years that McIntosh should be perfect for them.
Seriously, didn't Sheedy say he wanted an established ruckman? Hamish would probably give GWS 5 really good years of service.
If GWS are after players, not picks, then I can't imagine many better players than HMac being offered (still quite doubtful that he will be available, mind you). It's not often that a guy who is in your top 5 or 6 players on ability isn't required (again, that's debatable).
Difficult to think of a suitable deal, though. Hamish on his own wouldn't be enough but Hamish + 1st Rounder (about #14) is too much.
As a Richmond supporter we all have to acknowledge no one is going to get any of these picks without coughing up some deal to GWS that is a win for them and hopefully turns out to be a win for the team dealing with them too. Foley and Morton is I reckon fair enough for 1 of these picks. Foley is still a great player but he aint going to be around when we are successful, we atleast 5 years away and Foley is like 25yo. Morton is still 23-24yo and can kick goals. IMHO Richmond should chase both of GWS picks this season and for that to happen we should also put up say Chris Newman with say David Astbury or a 1st round pick this season. Newman is a readymade captain but he is 28yo so you need to compliment him with a younger player. Anyway whatever happens whoever gets the players the GWS will be the big winners, they will get ready mades, the clubs getting the kids will be hoping like hell they come through.
As a Richmond supporter we all have to acknowledge no one is going to get any of these picks without coughing up some deal to GWS that is a win for them and hopefully turns out to be a win for the team dealing with them too. Foley and Morton is I reckon fair enough for 1 of these picks. Foley is still a great player but he aint going to be around when we are successful, we atleast 5 years away and Foley is like 25yo. Morton is still 23-24yo and can kick goals. IMHO Richmond should chase both of GWS picks this season and for that to happen we should also put up say Chris Newman with say David Astbury or a 1st round pick this season. Newman is a readymade captain but he is 28yo so you need to compliment him with a younger player. Anyway whatever happens whoever gets the players the GWS will be the big winners, they will get ready mades, the clubs getting the kids will be hoping like hell they come through.
Foley WAS a very good player. He's been better this year but I think he's lost the explosive speed he used to have.
Morton showed good signs in the midfield late last year. What happened this year?
You want to trade your captain?
Yes I would offer up Newman because he like Foley wont see success with us. GWS will need some leadership and Newman is a ready made captain. We need some too mind you but like GCS they will fly past us when they get all the early picks. Richmond needs to recruit younger players again. We can make Cotchin captain and get by for a while. People have to understand you cant offer rubbish to GWS for these picks. You have to cough up players that will hurt your list when they go but you have to hope that the players you bring in can develop and contribute over time. Sadly for us who follow Richmond we are a fair while away and we have to go down the youth road again.
Yes I would offer up Newman because he like Foley wont see success with us. GWS will need some leadership and Newman is a ready made captain. We need some too mind you but like GCS they will fly past us when they get all the early picks. Richmond needs to recruit younger players again. We can make Cotchin captain and get by for a while. People have to understand you cant offer rubbish to GWS for these picks. You have to cough up players that will hurt your list when they go but you have to hope that the players you bring in can develop and contribute over time. Sadly for us who follow Richmond we are a fair while away and we have to go down the youth road again.
I'm sure they'll be stoked with your offer of Mitch Morton, then.
It was Foley and Morton not Morton alone. Anyway its a much better offer than McIntosh with his achilles or whatever other problems his got. Foley is a quality footballer and Foley with Morton combined is a fair offer.
It was Foley and Morton not Morton alone. Anyway its a much better offer than McIntosh with his achilles or whatever other problems his got. Foley is a quality footballer and Foley with Morton combined is a fair offer.
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Difficult to think of a suitable deal, though. Hamish on his own wouldn't be enough but Hamish + 1st Rounder (about #14) is too much.
Foley is now only a decent player. Morton is a below average player, although showed something last year, I'll ask again, why didn't he play midfield this year?
I highly doubt Foley and Morton would be enough.
Sylvia Saint
17 Jul 2011, 23:11
Reports are that Melbourne could offer compensation picks for the draft rights to O'Meara
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/could-melbourne-end-up-the-big-winner-for-losing-tom-scully/story-e6frf9jf-1226096389389
From what I can gather, if we offloaded one of these picks to GWS and they finished last in 2012, it would mean the compensation pick would equate to pick 2. Giants would have picks 1 and 2 for the super draft. Could be wrong.
Surely with a sweetener that would put us in the box seat.
Of course it all falls into a heap if Scully stays, (And I hope he does!!) :p
ThePuppetMaster
18 Jul 2011, 13:06
We would have to offer both compensation picks for O'Meara IMO if it plays out that way.
Which would equate to a probably extra top 5 pick for GWS as well as pick 9.
We may even have to chuck in an experienced KP player, such as Warnock.
And seeinig that cmC assures me that Scully is gone... all hope is lost.
Gee Dubya
18 Jul 2011, 13:34
But i think a trade may just work out well for both clubs, you get a hard working, leader that really exemplifies everything about the western suburbs of sydney
What?
Foley and Morton is I reckon fair enough for 1 of these picks. IMHO Richmond should chase both of GWS picks this season and for that to happen we should also put up say Chris Newman with say David Astbury or a 1st round pick this season.
So you want to trade your Captain and your Vice Captain and your most promising CHB? Dude you've got zombie frenzy.
delirious1
18 Jul 2011, 14:07
If there's any chance of him coming to us, hopefully the club makes it happen.
Imagine a 2015 midfield of Scully, Trengove, Viney, McKenzie, Gysberts and O'Meara. Chuck in Morton, Sylvia, Moloney, etc. Far out, we'd be invincible :p
Unfortunatly one of Viney/McKenzie/Gysberts/Molony/Frawley would end up at GWS for O'Meara
ThePuppetMaster
18 Jul 2011, 14:51
Not the case at all.
John Griifen might be a good starting point for a conversation.
YearOfTheCotch10
18 Jul 2011, 15:26
exemplifies everything about the western suburbs of sydney
What?
In that he is an honest, hardworking, blue collar midfielder. Picked up as a rookie he has worked super hard to get the best out of himself. The western suburbs of Sydney are similar to this in that they arent the most wealthy, but are just honest, hard working people in the main.
Arcassius
18 Jul 2011, 16:48
John Griifen might be a good starting point for a conversation.
or palmer + MJ + palmer compo pick :P
Gee Dubya
18 Jul 2011, 17:16
In that he is an honest, hardworking, blue collar midfielder. Picked up as a rookie he has worked super hard to get the best out of himself. The western suburbs of Sydney are similar to this in that they arent the most wealthy, but are just honest, hard working people in the main.
well that should see his trade value skyrocket then...
got anyone on your list that can fit 22" rims on a Toyota Hilux?
ilikepotatoes
18 Jul 2011, 18:44
or palmer + MJ + palmer compo pick :P
+ Duffield
Doubt it, Gubby wants top 5 players from clubs.... Gubby is dreaming, Trengove yeah trade a pick 2 with 2 years of investment for first pick in a 4 pick draft????
Both parties need to be realistic, GWS only get benifit out of this if they accept trades so clubs wont offer their top talent
ThePuppetMaster
18 Jul 2011, 23:28
Don't GWS have to trade 4x 17 year olds?
Or is my understanding incorrect?
divvydan
18 Jul 2011, 23:40
Don't GWS have to trade 4x 17 year olds?
Or is my understanding incorrect?
They can trade up to 4 17yo's over the two years. Obviously they have no access to the players themselves but there's no compulsion on them actually trading.
Doubt it, Gubby wants top 5 players from clubs.... Gubby is dreaming, Trengove yeah trade a pick 2 with 2 years of investment for first pick in a 4 pick draft????
Both parties need to be realistic, GWS only get benifit out of this if they accept trades so clubs wont offer their top talent
It's a negotiation. Of course GWS will aim high, they should. More than likely end up with either mid-tier young talent or higher end older talent. Teams will offer quite a bit for these picks, the chance to get a great player without bottoming out is too good an opportunity.
cotter101
19 Jul 2011, 18:30
What would it take to get him to the lions?
The Smaller Warrior
20 Jul 2011, 10:37
Our first pick (Pick 4 or Pick 6 it seems) + one of Danyle Pearce/Steven Salopek/Daniel Motlop/Kane Cornes
Thoughts?
Isn't Pearce out of contract? If he was going to end up at GWS it would be as an uncontracted player, assuming we hadn't already signed someone else up. Other than that, Salopek would be interesting but what's happened to him? Thought he was a future captain/midfield star a couple of years ago but he's dropped completely off the radar now.
Wouldn't mind Hartlett but that'd be shooting the moon. :D
The Smaller Warrior
20 Jul 2011, 15:32
Nah mate,
Pearce comes out of contract 2012.
For Port, I would suggest the players you guys would have on offer/available and would be interested in:
Uncontacted at the end of 2011:
Daniel Motlop - Definately on the outer as we push to arrange our Forward Structure going forward. Motlop does not seem to be a part of it, and as such has taken on an extra role in defense.
Alipate Carlile - Has strugged up back all year with an annoying hip injury which has lead to media speculation that he may be on his way the the GWS. Would be surprised if he left to be honest, most of the rumour around Adelaide is that he will be staying.
Brett Ebert - On the outer at the moment, similar reasoning to Daniel. Has played in the SANFL this year as a midfielder and consistantly knocked up 30+ Possesion Games. Not sure why we have not worked on his fitness to allow him to do similar at AFL level as he won a Magery in the mids.
Chad Cornes - Some want him to stay on another year, others dont. As fit as he has been his entire career, should be able to easily go on another year if he keeps up his fitness - but almost doesnt fit the Primus game plan (though we still cant quiet work out what that is.)
For 2012:
Steven Salopek - Injury has plauged him since 2007 and this year looked to be the one that he would be injury free. Had a fairly good pre-season with minimal issues, but just hasnt come together for him. Had a decent game on the weekend up North and will stay in our line up if that continues.
Danyle Pearce - Almost zero media attention of Pearce leaving us in Adelaide - not sure where any rumours have come from. Strange one to suggest in some cases, and not sure he is suited to what you are after. Would be the perfect addition to a team close to a premiership, but for a new young side? Not so sure.
Jacob Surjan - Not playing for us. No idea why. Suggestions he is heading West. Gun.
David Rodan - Struggling to stay in the side at the moment due to consistancy. Probably one of the most suited players for the 'Sub' role in the AFL though. Can smash it for a half of football - but barely able to take it beyond that.
Ultimately Port will want as many early picks as possible, can definatley see us going for one of the 17 year olds, if not two.
2013:
Kane Cornes - Still not sure where he is at, hasnt been at his very best for a while now. Still consistant and gets a heap of the ball.
I still have my fingers crossed for Carlile but, to be honest, I'm going off last year's impressions. Haven't seen much of Port this year. Pearce is a flashy type that could be the cream on our midfield crop - we've picked up quite a few good 17 year olds and we're obviously targetting young midfielders (Scully, Ward, Easton Wood). Salopek would be awfully tempting. Ebert would be the other one I'd be curious about. Every time I've seen him in your side it's as a forward which, as you say, doesn't seem his best position.
I do hope the rumours of Chad Cornes isn't true unless it's a second option. I'd much rather youth.
Not that I have any insight into the minds of Sheedy et al, I'd probably rank them:
1. Carlile - not many good young defenders running around. Would fill a key spot in the spine.
2. Salopek - I may be overrating him but he fits the profile of those GWS are looking at.
3. Ebert/Pearce - Both interesting options for different reasons.
I'm not sure how the uncontracted pick versus the player trade would work. I'm curious to see that myself.
The Smaller Warrior
20 Jul 2011, 16:45
I think we will be one of the clubs who has more than most up for offer, and will make a good go at these 17 year olds.
Will be interesting anyway.
John Griifen might be a good starting point for a conversation.
Griffin has become too valuable for you guys to lose. Sandilands is getting older and 7 footers and ankle / knee issues are fairly common. You'll need a quality second ruckman and Griffin is beginning to look like a gem.
High Flying Flag
22 Jul 2011, 18:29
Rich was looking like top 3...not #1......and his form the next he warranted a top 3 or even #1 selection. As has Darling this year
Jaegar is no lock for #1. It's too early to tell at sixteen.
How does our compensation pick which will come after your first rounder (so pick 2 or 3) sound?
Throw in choice of seasoned player (Bate, Dunn etc.)
You can't be too picky because he's still so young. Even if a club gave up pick 9 and 10 for example, you'd still much rather pick 2 or 3. Look at Port, they offered us picks 8 and 9 for Trengove's pick and were turned down. Sydney offered Richmond picks 6 and 14 for Martin's pick and were turned down.
High Flying Flag
22 Jul 2011, 18:31
Doubt it, Gubby wants top 5 players from clubs.... Gubby is dreaming, Trengove yeah trade a pick 2 with 2 years of investment for first pick in a 4 pick draft????
Both parties need to be realistic, GWS only get benifit out of this if they accept trades so clubs wont offer their top talent
Look at what Gubby did to Brisbane.
If GWS have any sense, they'll make sure someone is watching over his shoulder this trede week. And not Michael Voss :p
You can't be too picky because he's still so young. Even if a club gave up pick 9 and 10 for example, you'd still much rather pick 2 or 3. Look at Port, they offered us picks 8 and 9 for Trengove's pick and were turned down. Sydney offered Richmond picks 6 and 14 for Martin's pick and were turned down.
That's the thing, we will receive all offers and then get to pick the one, two or three best. So yeah, we can be picky. If we only get offered pick 4 or Melbourne's compo pick then we'll presumably take those offers because that's what the market can bear, and offers aren't going to increase massively for the following year. So be it. But if GC decides to offer us pick 6 and Gorringe, or Essendon offers pick whatever and Hurley, then Melbourne's offer of a compo pick will pale in comparison.
High Flying Flag
22 Jul 2011, 18:56
Essendon wouldn't offer Hurley on his own for O'Meara mate. Sorry to burst any bubble you may have. Besides, knowing the shit way the AFL operate, I know they'll have a bit of input into GWS' decisions and I'm sure that they may just whisper that they should consider our offer highly to keep all parties satisfied into Gubby's ear. Of course, this all relies on Tom leaving which he may not do, but it's important to remember that having had no chance to see him in the Championships, some clubs may be skepetical about offering up more than they can afford for a 16 year old. Albeit, a highly talented one.
It would essentially be the same as having Jack Watts on your list in '08, but without having the option of him playing. School boy who'll actually still be operating out of WA you'd presume and would be able to train maybe once a week.
Essendon's was a hypothetical, just pulling an example out of my arse. I would eat my chair if Essendon put Hurley up.
Bay Pie
24 Jul 2011, 12:24
If Scully goes to GWS and Melbourne get compensation similar to the Ctas for Gary Jnr, then that is 1 x mid 1st round pick & 1 pick at the end of the 1st round.
Matt Rendell of the Crows has said that GWS wont be interested in draft picks for the 2011 draft and will look for players. But compensation picks can be used in the 2012 superdraft. Far more attractive.
If Melbourne trade both those comp picks to GWS, that will give GWS a pick after Melbournes in the 2012 draft 1st round, not after GWSs' 1st round pick. The compensation pick follows the team it was originally given too, not the team that currently owns it.
eg. the mid 1st round pick that Geelong traded to the Suns, can be used by the Suns after Geelongs 1st round pick in the draft they nominate.
I'd think GWS will hang onto the 4 x 17 year olds and trade them next year when any pick traded can be used in the supposed super strong 2012 draft because quality players trades would appear quite unlikely. If they're uncontracted GWS get them anyway.
GiantForce
24 Jul 2011, 12:50
If Scully goes to GWS and Melbourne get compensation similar to the Ctas for Gary Jnr, then that is 1 x mid 1st round pick & 1 pick at the end of the 1st round.
Matt Rendell of the Crows has said that GWS wont be interested in draft picks for the 2011 draft and will look for players. But compensation picks can be used in the 2012 superdraft. Far more attractive.
If Melbourne trade both those comp picks to GWS, that will give GWS a pick after Melbournes in the 2012 draft 1st round, not after GWSs' 1st round pick. The compensation pick follows the team it was originally given too, not the team that currently owns it.
eg. the mid 1st round pick that Geelong traded to the Suns, can be used by the Suns after Geelongs 1st round pick in the draft they nominate.
I'd think GWS will hang onto the 4 x 17 year olds and trade them next year when any pick traded can be used in the supposed super strong 2012 draft because quality players trades would appear quite unlikely. If they're uncontracted GWS get them anyway.
Thats the thing myself and many others aren't sure about. Some people say one thing, others say another thing
They'll use 1 mini draft pick this year atleast (For Jag) and most likely 2. I think splitting the four picks 2/2 is the best option. Creates a bit of a bidding war both years.
If Melbourne offered both compensaion picks + Seasoned player (Bate, Dunn,etc) for Jag O'Meara, I would happy. But there could be better offers on the table and the Giants will take the best offer on the table.
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Just on Jon Griffen. Freo seem to be favouring Zac Clarke over Sandi. If we don't get Clark, then we should try and sign Jon Griffen next year. Jon Gilles to be the #2 ruck for the Giants next year
tigs2010
25 Jul 2011, 08:39
Correct me if im wrong but didnt Brisbane get compensation for TRADING Jared Brennan? Anyone know how this trading works?
chenyan
25 Jul 2011, 11:59
Correct me if im wrong but didnt Brisbane get compensation for TRADING Jared Brennan? Anyone know how this trading works?
You are wrong :p
Brisbane allowed GCS to sign Brennan. The new clubs can sign one unsigned player from each club (up to the limit, etc. etc.). The exception is where a club gives permission for the new franchise to sign another player. The transaction is still treated as signing an unsigned player and compensation is assessed in the same manner.
Pragmatically, the deal was a sham. GCS got Brennan for nothing; Brisbane got more from the deal than they would have through trading. It is what it is though.. The AFL were certainly happy.
tigs2010
25 Jul 2011, 14:33
You are wrong :p
Brisbane allowed GCS to sign Brennan. The new clubs can sign one unsigned player from each club (up to the limit, etc. etc.). The exception is where a club gives permission for the new franchise to sign another player. The transaction is still treated as signing an unsigned player and compensation is assessed in the same manner.
Pragmatically, the deal was a sham. GCS got Brennan for nothing; Brisbane got more from the deal than they would have through trading. It is what it is though.. The AFL were certainly happy.
They also got an upgrade of pick 10 up to 5, pick 25 off GC and 27. I believe thats a trade?
Just on Jon Griffen. Freo seem to be favouring Zac Clarke over Sandi. If we don't get Clark, then we should try and sign Jon Griffen next year. Jon Gilles to be the #2 ruck for the Giants next year
I wouldn't mind Griffen but given he went back to WA for family reasons it's hard to see him up and leaving after one year.
They also got an upgrade of pick 10 up to 5, pick 25 off GC and 27. I believe thats a trade?
Two separate items.
1) Brisbane gives GC permission to sign Brennan, getting a end of first round pick for him.
2) Brisbane trades pick 10 and the compensation pick to the GC for picks 5, 25, 27 and Rohan Bewick.
Obviously those two are linked, but in pure terms Brisbane got an end of first round compensation pick for Brennan. The GC didn't get him in a trade.
tigs2010
25 Jul 2011, 22:18
I wouldn't mind Griffen but given he went back to WA for family reasons it's hard to see him up and leaving after one year.
Two separate items.
1) Brisbane gives GC permission to sign Brennan, getting a end of first round pick for him.
2) Brisbane trades pick 10 and the compensation pick to the GC for picks 5, 25, 27 and Rohan Bewick.
Obviously those two are linked, but in pure terms Brisbane got an end of first round compensation pick for Brennan. The GC didn't get him in a trade.
ahh thanks for clearing that up. well played by brisbane lol
Shuperman
27 Jul 2011, 13:39
Just out of curiosity, over on the west coast board there have been suggestions on how we might be able to attain this kid.
The names that keep coming up are Masten, Swift, Koby Stevens. And possibly pick 18 (but I dont think you guys are after picks).
How likely is one/combo of these players to get over the line?
High Flying Flag
27 Jul 2011, 16:03
If they won't take two kids in the superdraft, I doubt they'll take a Masten, Swift or Stevens. Maybe Shuey or Naitanui but unfortunately, the Giants have gotten everything right except for their coach and recruiter.
Heard Graham Allen on the radio a few weeks ago inviting supporters to 'offer up players/picks' for Jaegar. he proceded to smugly reject all of the. Pending Tom Scully, GWS will be my second team, it's a shame that they don't seem to understand how trading works. The established clubs aren't going to do anymore bowing down. If oO'Meara falls into the draft, so be it.
WCE_Phill
27 Jul 2011, 16:19
Would Mitch Brown be enough?
Ready made KKP, has played and beaten quailty forward and has 8-10 years left.
At the end of the day, O'Meara is only a highly touted 16 year old.
Swift was ment to be the second coming at 16 :D
GiantForce
27 Jul 2011, 16:38
Would Mitch Brown be enough?
Ready made KKP, has played and beaten quailty forward and has 8-10 years left.
At the end of the day, O'Meara is only a highly touted 16 year old.
Swift was ment to be the second coming at 16 :D
Mitch Brown? For Jag? lol. God no. He is the type of player you'll chuck in on the side to sweeten the deal.
Shuperman
27 Jul 2011, 16:51
If they won't take two kids in the superdraft, I doubt they'll take a Masten, Swift or Stevens. Maybe Shuey or Naitanui but unfortunately, the Giants have gotten everything right except for their coach and recruiter.
id rather not have jaeger if thats the case. I really dont think any club is going to give up a quality player for a highly touted 16 year old. Like the post above has said, Swift was the best 16 year old in the country...
GiantForce
27 Jul 2011, 17:32
Also many of the top elite guns today were the best when they were 16.....it's glass half full/half empty stuff
Jaeger O'Meara is an interesting one
Because if GWS don't get what they want for him, would they just give pick 1 to the highest bidder
Butcher was looking like a pick 1 in 2008, ended up pick 8
What would be the gap in value of pick 1 and 2? and what would GWS want for pick 2 (hoping port go and get pick 2 to use on Grundy and keep there first round pick 4/6)
DivideandMultiply
1 Aug 2011, 20:01
Mitch Brown? For Jag? lol. God no. He is the type of player you'll chuck in on the side to sweeten the deal.
I don't think you are going to get what you expect.
As talented as Jaeger is (no guarantee for no.1), I expect GWS to except a player like Brown+pick or Beams+pick.
Not going to get a big scalp.
And I do think GWS will settle despite the posturing. If they refuse to release picks this year it will put them in a poor position with 4 available in 2012.
GWS will have less leverage and less list space.
GiantForce
1 Aug 2011, 20:41
I don't think you are going to get what you expect.
As talented as Jaeger is (no guarantee for no.1), I expect GWS to except a player like Brown+pick or Beams+pick.
Not going to get a big scalp.
And I do think GWS will settle despite the posturing. If they refuse to release picks this year it will put them in a poor position with 4 available in 2012.
GWS will have less leverage and less list space.
Brown+Pick for Jag is different to what you originally said (Brown for Jag).....
An okay offer now (Asuming it's a decent pick), certainly a win for you guys if a offer like that goes through, but it's very unlikely that will go through. Giants will take the highest offer, and for a kid like Jag (And considering he'd go Top 3 this year, a very likely #1 next year) there will be a few good ones. The question is will teams create a bidding war for Jag? Or will it just be a select few teams trying to get him not too worried if they dont get him, in that case we could see a Brown + Pick for Jag type go through.
Brown + Decent Pick + Fringe Expirenced Player for Jag + 4th/5th Rounder probaley would go close IMO
DivideandMultiply
1 Aug 2011, 22:14
Brown+Pick for Jag is different to what you originally said (Brown for Jag).....
An okay offer now (Asuming it's a decent pick), certainly a win for you guys if a offer like that goes through, but it's very unlikely that will go through. Giants will take the highest offer, and for a kid like Jag (And considering he'd go Top 3 this year, a very likely #1 next year) there will be a few good ones. The question is will teams create a bidding war for Jag? Or will it just be a select few teams trying to get him not too worried if they dont get him, in that case we could see a Brown + Pick for Jag type go through.
Brown + Decent Pick + Fringe Expirenced Player for Jag + 4th/5th Rounder probaley would go close IMO
What I originally said? Where was that?
Honestly I think the trades I proposed are as good as you will get.
Melbourne might go young player e.g. Morton and compo pick, but I doubt they will offer two. Likewise Collingwood may offer someone like Beams or Wellingham possibly + a pick.
GC might offer pick 4 plus player, or just pick 4.
The last part of your post is unlikely. GWS will be struggling for list space. Fringe players and late picks will not be of value, unless you desperately need older bodies to bolster your list for 1-2 seasons tops.
High Flying Flag
1 Aug 2011, 22:23
id rather not have jaeger if thats the case. I really dont think any club is going to give up a quality player for a highly touted 16 year old. Like the post above has said, Swift was the best 16 year old in the country...
Agree. And I'm not sure anyone will
LOZWILDA
1 Aug 2011, 23:13
If they get offered a top 10 draft pick, they would have done well! Thinking more likely to be a player and a later pick? The following picks would be more likely to be for mature aged players or later picks.
cotter101
2 Aug 2011, 12:15
pick 8 + compo pick + Beams? what would you want from brisbane.
pick 8 + compo pick + Beams? what would you want from brisbane.
Since GWS has said they're more interested in players than picks, I don't think Brisbane will be in the hunt since they'd probably need to give up one of their promising midfield brigade (Rich, Redden, Rockliff) to get GWS interested. Brisbane doesn't really have enough good fringe players to compete with other offers.
Bird Man
2 Aug 2011, 14:24
Foley ? Or tuck and first rounder ?
cotter101
2 Aug 2011, 14:59
Since GWS has said they're more interested in players than picks, I don't think Brisbane will be in the hunt since they'd probably need to give up one of their promising midfield brigade (Rich, Redden, Rockliff) to get GWS interested. Brisbane doesn't really have enough good fringe players to compete with other offers.
If Hanley and Or Clark wanted to go to gws Would you do a trade for Hanley and Clark for Jaeger and one of pick 11 13 and 15?
Or Clark and a compo pick for Jaeger?
Riders of Rohan
2 Aug 2011, 15:13
I think Clark + compo would definitely get you into the draft, whether you get Jaeger or not depends on what everyone else offers.
Clark's not contracted, so if GWS want him he's their's without a trade. There's no point offering to give them something they can get for free.
I'd definitely rather hold on to Hanley than trade him and given the only speculation of a GWS approach has been media based, no actual sources, I'm feeling relatively confident at the moment (that may obviously change).
cotter101
2 Aug 2011, 19:14
Players I would give up to get Jaeger
Fev could really help mentor your younger key forwards if he has changed his ways.
Patful Gives you experience down back and he has the ability to play on talls or smalls. He is having a bad year.
James Polkinghorne Midfielder/Forward, Rd 11 Vs Sydney he had 21 disposals, 13 contested, 7 tackles, 7 clearances, 4 marks. Has potential needs to be consistent and spend more time in the midfield.
Jesse O'brien
Claye Beams
Drummond
Harwood
Maguire
any 3 or any 2 and a 2nd rounder?
I know I seem desperate but i see so much talent on this kid regardless of where he goes I plan on watching his career from day 1.
swansfan51
2 Aug 2011, 20:52
Would you trade Daniel Rich for a couple of players who weren't regular members of a bottom 4 side?
tigs2010
7 Aug 2011, 00:38
Quick question for GWS fans in the know if saya club offered you something for O'Meara is he then tradeable back to u if GWS really wanted him?
For example a club offered u a couple of players for O'Meara that may not be the best deal that u could get but agreed to trade him straight back to u for the other mini draft picks?
It'd fail because the mini draft picks get traded in Trade Week, but the draft takes place at a later date. O'Meara won't be able to be traded until 2012 (and maybe not then, depending on the rules around these 17 year olds).
tigs2010
7 Aug 2011, 23:43
It'd fail because the mini draft picks get traded in Trade Week, but the draft takes place at a later date. O'Meara won't be able to be traded until 2012 (and maybe not then, depending on the rules around these 17 year olds).
Ok what about if i re-phrased my question with pick 1 instead of O'Meara. In other words can u acquire a mini-draft pick back off a team if u trade other mini-draft picks for it?
ie. A team offers 2 mid-20's players for pick 1.
Then turn around and trade pick 1 for pick 2 & 3.
Is that possible?
No. GWS can't participate in the minidraft, so there's no point for them to end up with any of the picks. Theoretically it may be possible to on-trade the pick to a third club, the AFL haven't announced a clear set of rules but I'd be surprised if it happened anyway.
tigs2010
8 Aug 2011, 11:20
No. GWS can't participate in the minidraft, so there's no point for them to end up with any of the picks. Theoretically it may be possible to on-trade the pick to a third club, the AFL haven't announced a clear set of rules but I'd be surprised if it happened anyway.
No worries. That's what I was trying to clarify if GWS could obtain them back like they can with compensation picks. Thanks.
GiantForce
8 Aug 2011, 16:05
Would really love to keep Jag O'Meara. But with him officially nominated for the Mini Draft and the Giants auctioning off picks not players....they can't really stop another club from getting him (Unless we keep all 4 picks til next year...but that wouldn't be very smart. And there would be no certainty we would get the first pick of next years draft either with they way Port are going)
blaze036
8 Aug 2011, 17:20
Wouldnt be suprised to see port giving up quiet a few of their okay players for O'Meara, get ridda 4-5 of their okay players (and maybe a medium pick) to give the giants some mature grunt for low cost and give port some hope!