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My North
3 Oct 2003, 13:22
Jade Rawlings is going to North Melbourne. It was just announced. $1.1 million for 3 years apparently. He will be playing with his brother
Any comments bogan_blue ?
;)
Baird and draft pick to Hawthorn???
1jasonoz
3 Oct 2003, 13:27
Just announced Bogan_Blues brain cell has been traded.
Media release.
"Well I wasn't using it, I mean you don't when all you do is slag of everyone else, I traded it for a draft pick, the best I could get was pick 100"!
evertonfc
3 Oct 2003, 13:36
Pick #9 + 3rd Round Pick for Rawlings + 4th Round Pick.
I have a feeling they'll try and eek the 'extra' (however minor) compensation of a 3rd for 4th rounder to sweeten the deal.
Edit: St Kilda will not be giving away it's first pick in this deal :p
Doesn't worry me at all. I wanted Rawlings at Melbourne, but I was also desperate to keep that number 5 pick.
pick 9 + Teague could be on the cards...
Originally posted by evertonfc
Pick #8 + 3rd Round Pick for Rawlings + 4th Round Pick.
I have a feeling they'll try and eek the 'extra' (however minor) compensation of a 3rd for 4th rounder to sweeten the deal.
We need to try and get a replacement KPP out of this....
is Baird an option????
The source was Melbourne radio 3AW.
superstar
3 Oct 2003, 13:56
Not happy.
Kangaroos have jack all I want. I was eyeing Melbourne's pick 5.
Going to have to be a three way trade methinks.
Originally posted by superstar
Not happy.
Kangaroos have jack all I want. I was eyeing Melbourne's pick 5.
Going to have to be a three way trade methinks.
WHAT ABOUT JOHN BAIRD????:mad:
superstar
3 Oct 2003, 14:07
Originally posted by Ramma
WHAT ABOUT JOHN BAIRD????:mad:
Just what we need...another HBF fringe player. Aren't we supposed to get them from the bulldogs? :mad:
Three way deal. Make it happen Roos.
How about Baird, Firrito and Alleway?
Seriously though the Roos actually have some good kids that they could trade. Corey Jones, Ashley Watson, David Hale or Hamish McIntosh, Dylan Smith. You also wonder how much patience there is with the Motlop boys.
Originally posted by superstar
Just what we need...another HBF fringe player. Aren't we supposed to get them from the bulldogs? :mad:
Three way deal. Make it happen Roos.
Not happy with Simon Cox? At least you got one good year out of him, 2nd in your B&F.
Hunter and Dent were poor decisions however.
NorthBhoy
3 Oct 2003, 14:14
Originally posted by Weaver
How about Baird, Firrito and Alleway?
Seriously though the Roos actually have some good kids that they could trade. Corey Jones, Ashley Watson, David Hale or Hamish McIntosh, Dylan Smith. You also wonder how much patience there is with the Motlop boys.
Whhoahhh....
Jones, no.
Watson, not a chance.
Hale and McIntosh, why? Picked them in the top 10, both still teenagers. One is ready and will be no.2 ruck next year, and one is a hugely kid with not even one year on the list.
Smith, yes.
Shannon Motlop, yes. Daniel Motlop, ****ing no way. Shannon has run out of chances. Daniel has had one injury free pre-season and was a star in the secoind half of the year. Has only played 25 games.
Baird, Morrell, Teague, Makepeace, Harding, Smith and S Motlop are in the mix.
1jasonoz
3 Oct 2003, 14:14
Originally posted by Weaver
How about Baird, Firrito and Alleway?
Seriously though the Roos actually have some good kids that they could trade. Corey Jones, Ashley Watson, David Hale or Hamish McIntosh, Dylan Smith. You also wonder how much patience there is with the Motlop boys.
Out of that list, Jones no, Watson no, Hale NO, Hamish NO , Motlop.D No, Smith yes, Baird yes, Motlop.S yes.
Shinboners
3 Oct 2003, 14:16
Originally posted by superstar
Three way deal. Make it happen Roos.
I think the Pies tried to pull the same trick on Nick Davis and the Swans at the last meat market.
Originally posted by superstar
Just what we need...another HBF fringe player. Aren't we supposed to get them from the bulldogs? :mad:
Three way deal. Make it happen Roos.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
a) Need KPP - mainly CHB/FB
b) Baird plays these positions
c) Need KPP - mainly CHB/FB
d) Played with Box Hill a couple of seasons ago, and Hawthorn
were going to draft him, 'cept the Kangaroos got in front of us
e) Need KPP - mainly CHB/FB
f) Knows players at Hawthorn and (presumably) would fit
back in comfortably with them
g) Need KPP - mainly CHB/FB
jj flash
3 Oct 2003, 14:28
Originally posted by Ramma
Correct me if I'm wrong...
a) Need KPP - mainly CHB/FB
b) Baird plays these positions
c) Need KPP - mainly CHB/FB
d) Played with Box Hill a couple of seasons ago, and Hawthorn
were going to draft him, 'cept the Kangaroos got in front of us
e) Need KPP - mainly CHB/FB
f) Knows players at Hawthorn and (presumably) would fit
back in comfortably with them
g) Need KPP - mainly CHB/FB
We have a FB but need a CHB.
Baird plus #9 is not enough.
1jasonoz
3 Oct 2003, 14:30
Originally posted by jj flash
We have a FB but need a CHB.
Baird plus #9 is not enough.
Supposdley Baird+Morrel+24(just a rumour).
Originally posted by Weaver
How about Baird, Firrito and Alleway?
Seriously though the Roos actually have some good kids that they could trade. Corey Jones, Ashley Watson, David Hale or Hamish McIntosh, Dylan Smith. You also wonder how much patience there is with the Motlop boys.
Jones, no.
Watson, no.
Hale, no.
Hamish, no.
Smith, yes. (could be very good for Hawthorn)
SMotlop, maybe.
DMotlop, no.
I'd say Morrell, Baird (sigh), Smith, Teague and maybe SMotlop will be in the mix... and Shane Clayton of course. :)
To be honest Smith may be the sort of player Hawthorn needs, though I'm not sure how they rate him...
Originally posted by jj flash
We have a FB but need a CHB.
Baird plus #9 is not enough.
Need someone who is flexible enough to play both
(insurance).
As good as Hay is, he is prone to missing 4-5 games per year
from injury.
QUOTE
Supposdley Baird+Morrel+24(just a rumour).
Deal!! :p
bogan_blue
3 Oct 2003, 14:57
I fully deserve all the crap that will be hanged on me. I still don't know how the Roos will engineer a trade that will satisfy Hawthorn.
But congrats Roos ... no hard feelings ... You guys deserve some luck after the Wayne Carey fiasco last year ...
And secretly, I'm glad he went to your club rather than Range Rovers or Handbag central.
Dane Swan Fan
3 Oct 2003, 15:12
Originally posted by 1jasonoz
Just announced Bogan_Blues brain cell has been traded.
Media release.
"Well I wasn't using it, I mean you don't when all you do is slag of everyone else, I traded it for a draft pick, the best I could get was pick 100"!
lmao :D
Originally posted by bogan_blue
I fully deserve all the crap that will be hanged on me. I still don't know how the Roos will engineer a trade that will satisfy Hawthorn.
But congrats Roos ... no hard feelings ... You guys deserve some luck after the Wayne Carey fiasco last year ...
And secretly, I'm glad he went to your club rather than Range Rovers or Handbag central.
oh dear......
you make me chuckle
:)
Thewlis Dish
3 Oct 2003, 15:29
Originally posted by bogan_blue
I fully deserve all the crap that will be hanged on me. I still don't know how the Roos will engineer a trade that will satisfy Hawthorn.
But congrats Roos ... no hard feelings ... You guys deserve some luck after the Wayne Carey fiasco last year ...
And secretly, I'm glad he went to your club rather than Range Rovers or Handbag central.
thanks sweetheart, now run along like a good little lad won't you
Demonheart
3 Oct 2003, 15:42
Did I miss something or were the Roos the biggest winners out of the Carey fiasco? Wells is a fairly decent player imho
tashibatts
3 Oct 2003, 16:08
Morrel, Baird & 24- that is the deal I want to happen.
Baird in ya backline, Morrel in ya forward line- and pick up a midfielder with pick 24.. 3 positions from one trade covered. It is perfect for ya hawthorn.
Go Roos
Yze_Magic
3 Oct 2003, 16:11
Originally posted by tashibatts
Morrel, Baird & 24- that is the deal I want to happen.
Baird in ya backline, Morrel in ya forward line- and pick up a midfielder with pick 24.. 3 positions from one trade covered. It is perfect for ya hawthorn.
Go Roos
dont you think thats a little to much to give up for Rawlings?
Thewlis Dish
3 Oct 2003, 16:14
Originally posted by Demonheart
Did I miss something or were the Roos the biggest winners out of the Carey fiasco? Wells is a fairly decent player imho
we escaped the carey fiasco in sensational shape. carey's last couple of seasons with us were injury riddled, he didn't even play the whole last year and in return we've gotten ourselves a 10-15 year player who has the potential to be one of the stars of the game, and is only 18
Thewlis Dish
3 Oct 2003, 16:19
Originally posted by Yze_Magic
dont you think thats a little to much to give up for Rawlings?
i don't think so, morrell isn't going to get a game with us with the emergence of petrie and the development of mcintosh, and rawlings can pretty much replace baird in the backline, and teague isn't exactly a crap player if we don't get rid of him. losing pick 24 is ok with me, primarily cos it means we keep pick 9
tashibatts
3 Oct 2003, 16:59
Originally posted by Yze_Magic
dont you think thats a little to much to give up for Rawlings?
Well they can take Morrel & Baird only if they like, or Morrel & the pick, or Baird & the Pick.
Go Roos
superstar
3 Oct 2003, 17:03
Originally posted by Yze_Magic
dont you think thats a little to much to give up for Rawlings?
What, two VFL duds and a second round draft pick? If that deal goes through, Hawk supporters will be spewing.
scooter600x
3 Oct 2003, 17:06
Originally posted by Yze_Magic
dont you think thats a little to much to give up for Rawlings?
I don't reckon it's enough.
The only time 2 duds = a topliner is when they allow you to play both of them in the topliners place at once i.e. 19 on the ground.
SAFootyNut
3 Oct 2003, 17:41
Rawlings is overrated
Originally posted by scooter600x
I don't reckon it's enough.
The only time 2 duds = a topliner is when they allow you to play both of them in the topliners place at once i.e. 19 on the ground.
Wow Jade's gone from an injury prone "one season wonder" to a "topliner" pretty fast!
The two clubs will work out a deal ,and I won't speculate what that might be, Hawks supporters will say it wasn't enough roos supporters will say it's too much and then we'll all get on with it.
Originally posted by superstar
What, two VFL duds and a second round draft pick? If that deal goes through, Hawk supporters will be spewing.
Being a bit harsh there, especially on Baird.
He played 20 (senior) games for North this year, and seemed to do
fairly well. KPP's aren't exactly coming out of the woodwork at the
moment - we need one - desperately up back - and Baird can fill that
void. Draft pick and Morell, who can be some sort of back-up for
Holland/Barker, and we keep our forward structure much the way
it should be, and I think we've done pretty well for a bloke who has
walked.
Yze_Magic
3 Oct 2003, 17:49
Baird, Morrell and pick 19 for Rawlings
thats not gonna do much for the Kangaroos depth
Morrell would bring back vivid memories of Hunter (all of them bad) so lose him and chuck in maybe Harding or Jones. We could then chuck you maybe a 3rd round pick.
Hawthorn has to learn not to take donkeys in trades.
1jasonoz
3 Oct 2003, 18:07
Originally posted by Bothers
Morrell would bring back vivid memories of Hunter (all of them bad) so lose him and chuck in maybe Harding or Jones. We could then chuck you maybe a 3rd round pick.
Hawthorn has to learn not to take donkeys in trades.
So we should hand over Harding or Jones+ Baird+24=Jade+3rd rd pick?
"Tell him hes dreaming"!!
Originally posted by Bothers
Morrell would bring back vivid memories of Hunter (all of them bad) so lose him and chuck in maybe Harding or Jones. We could then chuck you maybe a 3rd round pick.
Hawthorn has to learn not to take donkeys in trades.
Harding and Baird for Rawlings and 3rd Rounder
or
Jones for Rawlings
we Rate Jones a lot actually
Originally posted by 1jasonoz
So we should hand over Harding or Jones+ Baird+24=Jade+3rd rd pick?
"Tell him hes dreaming"!!
If you won't hand over a 1st round pick - yeah. Not that your first pick is that great but you should be preared to give up a player of some quality for a player that is all quality.
bogan_blue
3 Oct 2003, 18:14
Hawthorn should do the deal on their own terms. They should call Jade (and the Roos) bluff and say that if the trade isn't acceptable or good enough, then they can trade him to Melbourne or Handbag central and get a better trade in return, and if Rawlings still refuses and the Roos don't pony up on a better deal, then Rawlings can go nominate in the pre-season draft and try his luck there.
Hawthorn have to try and milk this and get the best possible return for their (lost) investment.
Originally posted by bogan_blue
Hawthorn should do the deal on their own terms. They should call Jade (and the Roos) bluff and say that if the trade isn't acceptable or good enough, then they can trade him to Melbourne or Handbag central and get a better trade in return, and if Rawlings still refuses and the Roos don't pony up on a better deal, then Rawlings can go nominate in the pre-season draft and try his luck there.
Hawthorn have to try and milk this and get the best possible return for their (lost) investment.
Somehow I doubt they will let him go to the draft losing all chance of compensation. A deal to the Handbags would be good if it included Kingsley (not that great but still led their goal kicking) and a first round pick
Shinboners
3 Oct 2003, 19:03
Originally posted by bogan_blue
Hawthorn should do the deal on their own terms. They should call Jade (and the Roos) bluff and say that if the trade isn't acceptable or good enough, then they can trade him to Melbourne or Handbag central and get a better trade in return, and if Rawlings still refuses and the Roos don't pony up on a better deal, then Rawlings can go nominate in the pre-season draft and try his luck there.
Hawthorn have to try and milk this and get the best possible return for their (lost) investment.
Oh, you mean the same strategy that the Roos tried with Peter Bell, Collingwood with Nick Davis, and Brisbane with Des Headland? As you can see, North, Collingwood, and Brisbane were all stunningly successful in stopping their players from going to their desired destinations.
bogan_blue
3 Oct 2003, 19:19
Oh, you mean the same strategy that the Roos tried with Peter Bell, Collingwood with Nick Davis, and Brisbane with Des Headland? As you can see, North, Collingwood, and Brisbane were all stunningly successful in stopping their players from going to their desired destinations.
I would say Brisbane did extremely well out of the Headland deal. They lost Hedders plus Cupido (who couldn't break into their side) and gained a premiership player in Blake Caracella plus pick 3 in the draft, which they used to pick Jarrad Brennan, whom is going to be a superstar.
Shinboners
3 Oct 2003, 19:45
Originally posted by bogan_blue
I would say Brisbane did extremely well out of the Headland deal. They lost Hedders plus Cupido (who couldn't break into their side) and gained a premiership player in Blake Caracella plus pick 3 in the draft, which they used to pick Jarrad Brennan, whom is going to be a superstar.
No doubt the Lions did well.
However, the point of my comment was this. You said that Hawthorn should play hardball with Rawlings. However, history shows that teams that threaten to play hardball often back down. Leigh Matthews threatened to send Headland into the pre-season draft, but he eventually backed down. He knew that it was better to gain something than nothing. Rawlings will be no different - come and do a deal with North and get something or I'll take my chances in the pre-season draft and Hawthorn will end up with nothing.
bogan_blue
3 Oct 2003, 19:51
Your right Shinners
However I still can't help but feel sorry for Hawthorn, this appears to be the 2nd year in a row they have lost a gun player who was a fan favorite.
Good luck to your boys if you can get him, however Hawthorn still should try and do a good deal.
1jasonoz
3 Oct 2003, 19:58
Originally posted by Bothers
If you won't hand over a 1st round pick - yeah. Not that your first pick is that great but you should be preared to give up a player of some quality for a player that is all quality.
Jade is all qaulity? The bloke has had ONE standout season. I have read all year from you guys about how this is the best he has played, but....................you have all said you hope is supposedly dodgy knees can handle it. Now hes left you, hes a player that is ALL qaulity. Good he is, but not worth pick 9+,+ and whatever else you are thinking of.
What about Rawling for Colbert.I think Colbert would be terrific at CHB for the Hawks.
ajackett110
3 Oct 2003, 23:57
Originally posted by shaneh
What about Rawling for Colbert.I think Colbert would be terrific at CHB for the Hawks.
:rolleyes: crazy
Originally posted by 1jasonoz
Jade is all qaulity? The bloke has had ONE standout season. I have read all year from you guys about how this is the best he has played
You obviously haven't seen much of the Hawks over the past couple of years. He has been a great player down back for the past couple of seasons , the switch forward this year has just lifted his profile and he's grabbed a bit more attention. I consider him one of the standout players for the past few years. Hawks would hope for better than pick 9 for him!
A versatile KPP........there aren't that many out there.....
Jade will be a huge bonus for the Kanga's
Over rated? MEH! Im guessing there is some jealousy in the air!!
Im wrapped we got Rawlings, rate him trhough the roof, awesome mark, best in the game. Cant wait to see what Laidley does with him...
1jasonoz
4 Oct 2003, 01:50
Originally posted by Hawk71
You obviously haven't seen much of the Hawks over the past couple of years. He has been a great player down back for the past couple of seasons , the switch forward this year has just lifted his profile and he's grabbed a bit more attention. I consider him one of the standout players for the past few years. Hawks would hope for better than pick 9 for him!
A versatile KPP........there aren't that many out there.....
Jade will be a huge bonus for the Kanga's
This is the bit you convienantly cut out, but....................you have all said you hope is supposedly dodgy knees can handle it. Now hes left you, hes a player that is ALL qaulity. Good he is, but not worth pick 9+,+ and whatever else you are thinking of.
Its wasnt me or any other non Hawks supporters who have been talking about his knee problems and hoping they hold up, also that that is his best season ever. YOU Hawks supporters where the ones before this trade period saying all of this, now he is suddendly one of the best KPP in the comp and you want the earth, well guess what you will not get it.
The fact is ....... I'm not sure anyone really knows how Jade's knees really are except the man himself. The talk pre-season was he was in big trouble , but he has gone on to have a solid season. go figure.
I'm a big wrap for Jade and think you've picked yourselves up a very versatile player.....and that's my view of him over a few years not just this year. What I hope is that a fair and reasonable trade is made and since Melbourne were offering Pick 5 , I see his value a little higher than 9.
1jasonoz
4 Oct 2003, 02:14
Originally posted by Hawk71
The fact is ....... I'm not sure anyone really knows how Jade's knees really are except the man himself. The talk pre-season was he was in big trouble , but he has gone on to have a solid season. go figure.
I'm a big wrap for Jade and think you've picked yourselves up a very versatile player.....and that's my view of him over a few years not just this year. What I hope is that a fair and reasonable trade is made and since Melbourne were offering Pick 5 , I see his value a little higher than 9.
Who cares what Melbourne where offering, he has picked the Roos. If you dont deal he goes into the pre season draft. We won't lose a player for nothing, you will. You will not get a top 5 pick for a 26 year old with dodgy knees simple.
No problems..........sometimes you have to play hardball to get the desired result. If the Roos are keen enough to secure him they will do a deal that will satisfy the Hawks , if not....no J.Rawlings in North colours next year!
1jasonoz
4 Oct 2003, 02:25
Originally posted by Hawk71
No problems..........sometimes you have to play hardball to get the desired result. If the Roos are keen enough to secure him they will do a deal that will satisfy the Hawks , if not....no J.Rawlings in North colours next year!
Then NO picks or players to the Hawks simple really. He is uncontracted, you play to hard, the Roos walk away, we don't lose anything, you do, you lose Jade for nothing.
If it goes that far that's right! I'm sick of players and player managers dictating terms to clubs , stipulating where players will and will not go! Hawthorn have lost quality players over the past few years for minimal returns. My point is sometimes you have to make a stand (rightly or wrongly) to show people that you won't be steamrolled.
I suppose we will see in good time!
Thewlis Dish
4 Oct 2003, 02:45
Originally posted by Hawk71
If it goes that far that's right! I'm sick of players and player managers dictating terms to clubs , stipulating where players will and will not go! Hawthorn have lost quality players over the past few years for minimal returns. My point is sometimes you have to make a stand (rightly or wrongly) to show people that you won't be steamrolled.
I suppose we will see in good time!
hawthorn will not let him walk, both them and north will have to bend a bit to come to agreement but making a stand or not, hawthorn aren't gonna let a player with trade value walk for nothing
Hawk in waiting
4 Oct 2003, 18:34
What all you Roos supporters don't understand is there is another departing player who also nominated a club of choice to be traded to. His Club, the Western Bulldogs, have already had discussions with the Hawks about a direct swap with draft picks involved if neither club can get what they want from the Kangaroos or Richmond.
I 'm not sure clubs in past years have had that luxury.
For what it's worth, Baird needs some bulk to compete with Jonathon Brown or Alistair Lynch (and their team is the bench mark) and Morrell and Harding struggled for a game by the end of this season. I don't think North would consdier parting with Watt, but he is a better KPP than Baird. Watt and pick 24 for Rawlings.
1jasonoz
4 Oct 2003, 18:39
Originally posted by Hawk in waiting
Watt and pick 24 for Rawlings.
You want Watt and pick 24 for Jade, deal Id heard 24+Baird+Morrel was the standard price.
I spoke to leroy's (leigh harding) brother BJ last night and he told me that some clubs have spoken to his manager including the hawks. So maybe he is on his way to the hawks in a package deal. Although im sure plenty of clubs contact players managers all the time so i maybe reading more into it than i should
year of the roo
4 Oct 2003, 19:05
Originally posted by marcuz
I spoke to leroy's (leigh harding) brother BJ last night and he told me that some clubs have spoken to his manager including the hawks. So maybe he is on his way to the hawks in a package deal. Although im sure plenty of clubs contact players managers all the time so i maybe reading more into it than i should
would rather trade harding + pick 24, then baird + pick 9. harding has apparently being selfish in his contract negotiations and i see him more as a 'me' player, rather then a team player. wouldnt mind that trade...
would rather trade harding + pick 24, then baird + pick 9. harding has apparently being selfish in his contract negotiations and i see him more as a 'me' player, rather then a team player. wouldnt mind that trade...
He was ****ed off at the amount of money he got in his current contract..he thought he was worth more thats why he held out and yes leroy is a bit selfish.
He is also the type of player hawthorn creams themselves over. Plenty of speed and Bodan Babucjec or whaterver his ****in name is can come out and say they have a olympic standard sprinter on their list:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Hawk in waiting
What all you Roos supporters don't understand is there is another departing player who also nominated a club of choice to be traded to. His Club, the Western Bulldogs, have already had discussions with the Hawks about a direct swap with draft picks involved if neither club can get what they want from the Kangaroos or Richmond.
I 'm not sure clubs in past years have had that luxury.
And what will happen when Brown and/or Rawlings say no to a direct swap? I'll tell you,it'll be back to dealing with their preferred clubs. Mind you it mightn't be a bad tactic by the Doggies as if they can stuff the Hawks around for long enough and force Rawlings into the pre-season draft then they could pick him up! Leave the Hawks with nothing of course.
I've a feeling the "preferred club" deals will eventually go through despite much posturing,pouting and threats,mainly from BigFooty posters!
TheNextBigThing
4 Oct 2003, 20:54
I think most people think Rawlings will be at North and Brown will be at Richmond, but people just wanna have somethin to talk about.
BUBBALOUIS
4 Oct 2003, 21:12
Originally posted by year of the roo
would rather trade harding + pick 24, then baird + pick 9. harding has apparently being selfish in his contract negotiations and i see him more as a 'me' player, rather then a team player. wouldnt mind that trade...
And thats different to Rawlings, how?
TheNextBigThing
4 Oct 2003, 21:36
Rawlings wants to play along side his brother also.
year of the roo
5 Oct 2003, 00:08
Originally posted by BUBBALOUIS
And thats different to Rawlings, how?
simple, rawlings has more runs on the board and is also a valuable commodity as he is a quality KPP. harding struggles for consistency and has no where near the amount of runs on the board as rawlings. harding could also be more easily replaced.
Originally posted by Groucho
And what will happen when Brown and/or Rawlings say no to a direct swap? I'll tell you,it'll be back to dealing with their preferred clubs.
Unless of course that their original clubs really do get jacked off with them.
Mind you it mightn't be a bad tactic by the Doggies as if they can stuff the Hawks around for long enough and force Rawlings into the pre-season draft then they could pick him up! Leave the Hawks with nothing of course.
Personally, with what's gone before at Hawthorn, prefer to see that happen than yet another 'offer' forced upon us by a player walking out. Been down that road to (Robran, Hall, Gowers, D.Jarman, Allan, Chick, McPharlin, Holland *threat and increased contract to stay*) many times in recent past. Need to draw a line and show that it's the club that brokers the deal, not the player.
I've a feeling the "preferred club" deals will eventually go through despite much posturing,pouting and threats,mainly from BigFooty posters!
Yea, it probably will in the end. However IF it doesn't and he was forced into the draft through lack of a viable/acceptable trade, then so be it.
We don't exactly owe him in any favours in this. Neither do we owe North any favour. The Hawks must look to the best possible deal we can get and a feasible market (i.e what other clubs were offering) worth. If North cannot or refuse to match those conditions, then pre-season draft it is.
Make no mistake, the admin is filthy on Rawlings and wont be looking to help him out in any way, especially if were going to be hurt on any deal made anyway. May as well take a real loss now and hopefully give a clear message (Hay, Hodge, Mitchell, Ladson etc) that when others come out of contract down the track that we'd be prepared for a worst case scenario of losing them for nothing (and have the track record to prove it) if they also decided to look elsewhere for better *ahem* security a'la J.Rawlings.
Originally posted by Grendel
Unless of course that their original clubs really do get jacked off with them.
Personally, with what's gone before at Hawthorn, prefer to see that happen than yet another 'offer' forced upon us by a player walking out. Been down that road to (Robran, Hall, Gowers, D.Jarman, Allan, Chick, McPharlin, Holland *threat and increased contract to stay*) many times in recent past. Need to draw a line and show that it's the club that brokers the deal, not the player.
Yea, it probably will in the end. However IF it doesn't and he was forced into the draft through lack of a viable/acceptable trade, then so be it.
We don't exactly owe him in any favours in this. Neither do we owe North any favour. The Hawks must look to the best possible deal we can get and a feasible market (i.e what other clubs were offering) worth. If North cannot or refuse to match those conditions, then pre-season draft it is.
Make no mistake, the admin is filthy on Rawlings and wont be looking to help him out in any way, especially if were going to be hurt on any deal made anyway. May as well take a real loss now and hopefully give a clear message (Hay, Hodge, Mitchell, Ladson etc) that when others come out of contract down the track that we'd be prepared for a worst case scenario of losing them for nothing (and have the track record to prove it) if they also decided to look elsewhere for better *ahem* security a'la J.Rawlings.
Fair enough to all of that. I'm not too fussed about it,though Jade would be a handy addition,but if the Hawks take a stand on the matter well that's ok.
year of the roo
5 Oct 2003, 00:53
Originally posted by Groucho
Fair enough to all of that. I'm not too fussed about it,though Jade would be a handy addition,but if the Hawks take a stand on the matter well that's ok.
yeah im the same, i will tell you if im happy or not having rawlings at north after (if) the trade goes through.
bogan_blue
5 Oct 2003, 00:55
Not sure if this has been suggested elsewhere, but perhaps a 3 or 4-way trade with another 'third' party club might prove adventageous to all concerned.
Hawthorn would be derelict in their duty not to try and thrash out a deal that would give them almost equal, if not more value than what Rawlings is. The Croad trade nearly split the club a few years ago, and the Hawks will probably lose a few thousands members if they can't get a satisfactory deal, so I'm sure they will drive an hard bargain. .
Freo2004
5 Oct 2003, 13:34
Originally posted by My North
Jade Rawlings is going to North Melbourne. It was just announced. $1.1 million for 3 years apparently. He will be playing with his brother
So where does this all lead for Digby Morrell?
Originally posted by bogan_blue
Not sure if this has been suggested elsewhere, but perhaps a 3 or 4-way trade with another 'third' party club might prove adventageous to all concerned.
Hawthorn would be derelict in their duty not to try and thrash out a deal that would give them almost equal, if not more value than what Rawlings is. The Croad trade nearly split the club a few years ago, and the Hawks will probably lose a few thousands members if they can't get a satisfactory deal, so I'm sure they will drive an hard bargain. .
Yet Hawthorn did brilliantly with that trade. Croad has been next to useless his whole career. As mentioned in the North forum, I see Rawlings worth about a Byron Pickett (around pick 15, or perhaps pick 24 and player ie Baird or Morrell). Pick 24, Baird and Morrell I think Hawthorn wins the trade. As I asked in the North forum, if Hawthorn believe Rawlings is truly worth so much why wouldn’t they give him a 5 year deal and pay him 500k a year? This shows us what Hawthorn thinks his worth is, and its quite obvious they don’t rate him in the superstar group.
Originally posted by R00StaR
Yet Hawthorn did brilliantly with that trade. Croad has been next to useless his whole career. As mentioned in the North forum, I see Rawlings worth about a Byron Pickett (around pick 15, or perhaps pick 24 and player ie Baird or Morrell). Pick 24, Baird and Morrell I think Hawthorn wins the trade. As I asked in the North forum, if Hawthorn believe Rawlings is truly worth so much why wouldn’t they give him a 5 year deal and pay him 500k a year? This shows us what Hawthorn thinks his worth is, and its quite obvious they don’t rate him in the superstar group.
We also had to give up McPharlan to get that pick from freo not just croad.
Rawlings is worth more then pickett and i believe this yrs draft is also not as strong/deep as last so we should be able to ask for a higher (top 10) pick and hopefully a ok'ish player, but i would take nth first rd pick for rawlings alone but if we can get another player its a bonus in my book.
year of the roo
5 Oct 2003, 19:25
Originally posted by feher
We also had to give up McPharlan to get that pick from freo not just croad.
Rawlings is worth more then pickett and i believe this yrs draft is also not as strong/deep as last so we should be able to ask for a higher (top 10) pick and hopefully a ok'ish player, but i would take nth first rd pick for rawlings alone but if we can get another player its a bonus in my book.
good to see a realistic hawk supporter. pick 9 + someone like john baird would be more then fair for rawlings.
WHAT IF..... we give you brady which will then allow you to have jade back (the brother factor). Only you will have to give us something very descent back as you are basically getting 2 players. Howz that for an idea!!