Richo to geelong what would it take

[pete18]

if richo was up for trade what would geelong have to trade to get him, do u think spriggs and a second round pick is suffiecent for richo ?

[JUBJUB]

Probably something like that.

[catattack]

Try a 3-way deal...

Street and Spriggs--> Bulldogs
Brown --> Richmond
Richo --> Geelong

[macca23]

Originally posted by pete18
if richo was up for trade what would geelong have to trade to get him, do u think spriggs and a second round pick is suffiecent for richo ?

Why not offer your old sneakers instead??

If you're serious, you have no idea.

[turtlemanistic]

Why not offer your old sneakers instead??

why not?
it sounds like a pretty good deal to me, although i'd keep spriggs and give clarke

[evertonfc]

Originally posted by catattack
Try a 3-way deal...

Pick #6 + Pick #21 + Street --> Bulldogs
Spriggs + Brown + Pick #34--> Richmond
Richo + 4th Rounder --> Geelong

Well said, cattack.

:p

Seriously,

Break it down like this.

- Brown + #33 for #6 + 21 (That's the price for Brown...no less).
- Spriggs for Richo (Richo's value on here is grossly overvalued).
- Street for 4th Rounder (Nobody will offer more for an otherwise delistable ruckman).

[fishman]

For Richardson I would get you what is left in my coffee cup this morning. He has to be the most overatted player in the AFL. Receiver if ever one was made.

[Wheels29]

doubt Richo will go to Geelong. Dogs will trade Brown to Richmond for either Holland and pick 6 or Richo and a 2nd round pick. Peter Street is worth no more than a round two pick, so that's what the dogs will send to Geelong for him, or if a trade can't be made they will pick Street up with the first pick in the pre-season draft....

Spriggs as good as Richo.... funny stuff :D

[Slax]

I think Holland might end up in that trade somehow.

[benny's buddy]

I don't know how many geelong supporters i speak on behalf of, if any at all, but...PLEASE GOD NO!!!!

i like richo as a bloke on the footy show or whatever, but i wouldn't give any of our kids for him.

if the geelong match committee has any sense at all...don't do it!!

[Thewlis Dish]

Originally posted by turtlemanistic
why not?
it sounds like a pretty good deal to me, although i'd keep spriggs and give clarke

attitude or not, richo still has more talent in his left pinky then clarke has in his whole body. if you want good players you have to give good players, not deadwood like clarke

[Seb]

Why can't we try for somebody worthwhile... Whitnall anybody?

[Hodgie_15]

Originally posted by turtlemanistic
why not?
it sounds like a pretty good deal to me, although i'd keep spriggs and give clarke

David Clarke is @#$% mate wouldn't even give you Biddescombe for him.

[Dasher39]

Why can't we try for somebody worthwhile... Whitnall anybody?

This is some kind of joke right!! Worthwhile and Whitnall are two words that dont go together. If we are saying no to Richo, then it should be a ****ING NO CHANCE IN HELL to Whitnall. He is the most over-rated player in the AFL, not to mention useless.

[jonty12]

Some players that can honour his leads by kicking it to his chest; not over his head, not out of bounds, not at his ankles.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Wheels29
Peter Street is worth no more than a round two pick, so that's what the dogs will send to Geelong for him, or if a trade can't be made they will pick Street up with the first pick in the pre-season draft....



There is no way in hell that Street will be delisted.

The Doggies (and others) are dead keen on him for some reason, so delisting him isn't viable.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Dasher39
He is the most over-rated player in the AFL, not to mention useless.

Care to actually back that up with some reasoning?

Lance Whitnall useless? :rolleyes: Would walk in and be in our top 5 players.

If Lance is useless, 80% of our list is also useless.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by evertonfc
- Street for 4th Rounder (Nobody will offer more for an otherwise delistable ruckman).

How is he delistable?

Geelong have made it clear that he will remain on the list if not traded.

I know we've had this discussion before, but i am certain that we'll get a 2nd round pick for Street.

Geelong certainly won't bother with a trade for a worse pick, not worth the effort.

[Dasher39]

Care to actually back that up with some reasoning?

Sure thing, where do I start...

For starters Lance has been terribly injury prone during his career, osteitis pubis, hamstring tears etc. He has had at least one injury per year for the last 2-3 years (not to mention several visits to the Fat Farm!!)

Lance isnt as great as some may think, in fact he ISNT in the Top 100 AFL Goalkickers OR Markers this year. He only kicked 11 goals this year, and took 73 marks. Add to that he kicked 11 behinds and his accuracy isnt that great. 73 marks from a "forward" isnt that flash, and is only 7 more than Kingsley took for the season. Infact lets compare Lance and Kent, seeing as though quite a few people think Kent struggled this year.

GAMES
Both Lance and Kent played 15 games in 2003

GOALS
Lance kicked 11 goals from 15 games (not in AFL Top 100)
Kent kicked 33 goals from 15 games (26th in AFL Top 100)
Thats 22 more goals in the same amount of games

MARKS
Lance took 73 marks
Kent took 66 marks
Both not in the AFL Top 100

Now, lets compare Lance with 2nd year Geelong player McCarthy, who played his first year of senior football this year.

GAMES
Lance - 15
McCarthy - 13

GOALS
Lance - 11
McCarthy - 15
McCarthy kicked 4 more goals than Lance despite playing fewer games

MARKS
Lance - 73
McCarthy - 45


There we have it, all these Stats prove that Lance is indeed useless. For a player who you say would be in our Top 5, well these State would almost put him in the bottom 5 of the Stats at Geelong. In terms of marks these players took more than him..

Rooke
Joel Coery
Chapman
Graham
Ling
Sanderson
Enright
Scarlett

and in terms of goals these players kicked more than Lance..

McCarthy
Graham
Chapman
S.Johnson
Riccardi
Ablett Jnr
Kingsley

The fact that Lance is not in the Top 100 Goals or Marks of the AFL should be enough to turn Geelong away from him, add to that he is Injury Prone, and it goes without saying his best Football is behind him.

There is my reasoning for calling him useless and over-rated!!

I await your response!!

[catattack]

COP THAT! :D

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Dasher39

There is my reasoning for calling him useless and over-rated!!

I await your response!!

Right, you've used his goalkicking record this year to label him useless.

The guy played predominantly at CHB you clown.

Perhaps you should actually watch the game rather than simply relying on stats.

BTW Lance started a year after our captain, yet has played more games. Is Steven King 'terribly injury prone'?

[Dasher39]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
The guy played predominantly at CHB you clown.

Well if he played at CHB what do we want him for, we are after a FORWARD. Lance still played up forward at times during the year, even if as you say he played mostly at CHB. Just cos he played down back most of the year, as you say, doesnt stop him from scoring or taking marks. Ben Graham played a lot of football in defence and look at his stats compared to Lance.

LANCE
15 games - missed 7 due to ANOTHER injury
11 goals (not in AFL Top 100)
73 marks (not in AFL Top 100)

GRAHAM
22 games
20 goals (65th in AFL Top 100)
110 marks (38th in AFL Top 100)

What does that say, if you really want to use that as an excuse lets compare him to another player, Daniel Bradshaw. Bradshaw has played a lot down back this year, and is in the eyes of Geelong. Lets see how they compare...

LANCE
15 games - missed 7 due to ANOTHER injury
11 goals (not in AFL Top 100)
73 marks (not in AFL Top 100)

BRADSHAW
20 games
27 goals (40th in AFL Top 100)
103 marks (58th in AFL Top 100)

Would you like me to continue?? Just because he has played down back doesnt stop him from scoring. These stats have shown that. No matter which way you look at it Whitnall is useless, and if we were to trade him serious questions would need to be asked.

THE STATS DONT LIE!!

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Dasher39
Well if he played at CHB what do we want him for, we are after a FORWARD.

Right, so because he played back for one year, he couldn't play forward for Geelong.

Arse about logic that.

Originally posted by Dasher39

Would you like me to continue??

Yes, please compare the stats over the past 5 years of Lance and ANYONE you've mentioned.

But hey, it wouldn't suit your argument, would it.

Originally posted by Dasher39


No matter which way you look at it Whitnall is useless

The silliest statement in the history of Bigfooty.

Lance Whitnall's career record is up there with the better key forwards in the league, yet you say he is useless.

The guy is a quality footballer and about 4 classes above any forwards we have at Geelong.

Get your head out of your arse just for a second and look deeper.

[Fall Out Boy]

BTW Good to see you avoided my question about Lance's supposed 'terribly injury prone' career.

[Moo://_Cow]

How did he rate in contested marks this year compared to others?

i don't think Carlton would let him go though:mad:

[Dasher39]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Yes, please compare the stats over the past 5 years of Lance and ANYONE you've mentioned.

What is showing Lance's stats from 3 years ago going to prove, if I show Lance's stats from the last 5 years it will back up my statement that his best football is behind him, cos hos stats are going downhill. Just because he had a good year in 1999/2000 doesnt mean anything, that was 4 years ago. So your saying Geelong should ignore this year take a look at season 2000 and say "gee he had a good year 3 years ago, lets get him here" thats just stupid. The stats we should be looking at and are looking at are last season stats which show he had a **** year. Recruiting on form from 2-3 years ago is bloody stupid. You recruit on present form, and at present he is playing crap.

AND YES Lance is injury prone, he has had at least 3 injuries over the past 2 seasons, osteitis pubis, a hamstring tear and just this season a shoulder, and is that what we want an injured player? He wont get any fresher as the years go on, 3 injuries in 2 seasons, plus the fat camp, doesnt show much for his health in upcoming seasons.

Just because he has played more games than Steven King doesnt mean anything. Dont forget when King came to Geelong we already had a #1 ruckman, so King spent his first few years playing in the Reserves. So the fact that Whitnall has played moer games than King doesnt say much.

[Dasher39]

OHHH and you wanted stats from seasons gone past..I could only find the season 2002 Stats, and in 2002 he was..

42nd in both Marks and Goals in the AFL

In 2003 he was...

NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 100 OF EITHER

What does that tell you about his dwindling career? It going downhill very rapidly!!

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Dasher39
his best football is behind him, cos hos stats are going downhill.

The guy is 24 and his best football is behind him. Hmmm, ok. :o

Using your logic, bothSteven King and James Kelly's best football is behind them as their stats are going downhill.

Let's compare Lance Whitnall's career to date with that of the best CHF in the land, Warren Tredrea.

Whitnall

14.37 touches
6.81 marks
1.93 goals

Tredrea

14.86 touches
6.83 marks
2.04 goals

So, Lance Whitnall's career to date is comparable to the unanimous best CHF in the league, yet Whitnall is "useless" and not worthy of a spot on our list.

You may not rate Lance, but to call him "useless" is both wrong and totally foolish.

Don't know why i'm arguing with you anyway, you lost all credibility on the issue when you labelled his useless despite not even having a clue about what position he played this year.

[Porthos]

I agree that Lance is certainly a valuable player, but Dasher isn't entirely wrong in commenting on Whitnall's best football being behind him based on performances to date. Injury has wrecked him in the last two seasons, and its certainly easy to see it continuing to do so with his build.

[Fall Out Boy]

There is a possibility that injuries may affect him in the future, however to say he is "useless" is ludicrous.

[Russian]

Originally posted by catattack
Try a 3-way deal...

Street and Spriggs--> Bulldogs
Brown --> Richmond
Richo --> Geelong

Not sure the Bulldogs would be satisfied - they already have plenty of 20yo midfielders - how about Kingsley instead of Spriggs?

[evertonfc]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
How is he delistable?

How many times did he deliver for you in past few years?

Geelong have made it clear that he will remain on the list if not traded.

I know we've had this discussion before, but i am certain that we'll get a 2nd round pick for Street.

FFS,

It won't happen.

That's comical. If you get a second rounder, I owe you a pint of Guiness.

Geelong certainly won't bother with a trade for a worse pick, not worth the effort.

Won't bother with a trade for a worse pick?

I think you should get something - anything - for Street while you can.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by evertonfc
How many times did he deliver for you in past few years?


Once. Who was that against?

You continue to deride Street, and continue to say he's not worthy of a spot at St. Kilda, yet he tore your ruck division a new arsehole, winning Brownlow Votes in the process.

He is no star, but he'd improve plenty of ruck divisions in the league (including St. Kilda's).

We should have a debate about him next Friday afternoon Seb ;)

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by evertonfc
FFS,

It won't happen.

That's comical. If you get a second rounder, I owe you a pint of Guiness.


FFS, It HAS happened. :D

I shall await my pint, my good man.

[mjm28]

What would it take to get Richo to Geelong??

Probably a car, wouldn't want to walk it, it's a fair way from Punt Rd to the Kardinia Park!!

:D :D