View Full Version : What I just don't understand about Rawlings
Adelaide Hawk
4 Oct 2003, 01:35
Here is what I really don't follow about Jade Rawlings.
He is a good handy player, there's no doubting that, but when did he suddenly become this key forward that everyone is suggesting he is? In his first 4 seasons for the Hawks he could hardly get a kick, let alone a game. In 2000 he finally started showing some promise .... as a marking defender. Until this season that is what he has been ... a defender.
In 2003 he played the entire season in the forward line, and had a fair season, but nothing startling. He kicked 34 goals in 22 games, and in 13 of those games he kicked 1 or less goals.
I fail to see how 34 goals elevates a player into superstar status, I mean it's hardly Tredrea stuff is it? To put things into perspective, Rawlings kicked 59 less goals than Lloyd this season.
So why is he being regarded as a superstar forward when in reality he was probably 3rd string at Hawthorn? And why is he being offered huge money? He would need to do one hell of a lot more than he has done to justify the money.
8 seasons ..... 116 games, 62 goals. Average.
I always liked Rawlings as a player at Hawthorn, but I never once viewed him as a match winner or a champion, and yet now he will be getting paid as much as some of the very best players in the game, and more in some cases. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Thewlis Dish
4 Oct 2003, 01:47
KPP are always valuable, especially those who can take a grab. i agree rawlings is being overhyped a bit, but just turning 26 means a lot of clubs feel he's coming into his prime at about this age, maybe in a year or two. time will tell i guess how good he does become or if he's a big bust, but clubs salivate over guys who can take a contested mark like rawlings can
from a north POV here, i think he's much more suited to CHB. i'm not sold on him as a key forward
Originally posted by Petrie Dish
KPP are always valuable, especially those who can take a grab.
And there you have it AHawk.
Twigs a versatile, KPP, capable enough at both ends of the ground. Never the best in the side but always very valuable (make no mistake, we are going to miss him.. badly imo) just the same.
May have only kicked 34 but did spend about a 1/4 of the season down back or as a CHF and as noted, kicking isn't his strongest point. To many times he was to far out to score.
Whatever happens though I am going to be watching keenly just how well his knee's do stand up over the next two/three seasons.
If he continues on as is without a care it will be another indicment on our medical (hardly the greatest record in the league at present) staff.
If he falls in a heap.. well then we will probably look back and say 'gee, what was all the fuss over, lucky we got rid of him when we did'.
That is going to have to wait for awhile though before any of us know just how this turns (for good or ill) out for either us or Jade.
Adelaide Hawk
4 Oct 2003, 09:29
Originally posted by Petrie Dish
KPP are always valuable, especially those who can take a grab
So, if we trade him for pick 9 and maybe someone like Digby Morrell, where are we losing? Surely when we get to pick 9 there will still be a good young player in the mix who is tall and can take a mark. Rawlings just isn't a star, and can be replaced.
I like the idea of getting pick 9, not sure if i really want digby, would rather see who else they would be willing to put up. I also want us to keep our first pick(s) this draft, please HFC no more first rd pick trades for a ruckman!
Thewlis Dish
4 Oct 2003, 20:37
Originally posted by feher
I like the idea of getting pick 9, not sure if i really want digby, would rather see who else they would be willing to put up. I also want us to keep our first pick(s) this draft, please HFC no more first rd pick trades for a ruckman!
diggers has shown the ability to be a goalkicker at this level, he's just never gonna be a first option forward which he often had to do with us - play him down there with thompson and dixon and let him take the 2nd or 3rd opposition defender. i'm pretty sure we'd be willing to trade the number 9 pick - hence matching melbourne and geelong's offer - baird seems the likely player. shannon motlop's another one, might thrive in a new environment cos he has the talent and could be a nice extra in any deal
Adelaide Hawk
4 Oct 2003, 20:50
Originally posted by Petrie Dish
diggers has shown the ability to be a goalkicker at this level, he's just never gonna be a first option forward which he often had to do with us - play him down there with thompson and dixon and let him take the 2nd or 3rd opposition defender
Actually, you just described Jade Rawlings :)
It's looking more and more like Pick 9 and a player will be the deal! Hawthorn will have two Top 10 picks and should on-trade Pick 9 to lure either Wirrapunda or Soloman.
The other option with North is the availability of Shannon Grant , and a possible direct trade with Rawlings , draft picks would also come into consideration to even things out.
Would the Kanga's consider trading Grant??
Thewlis Dish
4 Oct 2003, 21:12
Originally posted by Adelaide Hawk
Actually, you just described Jade Rawlings :)
haha true :) but at least rawlings can play a key position in defence as well. if diggers is struggling up forward he's pretty much useless
Aussie_Roo
4 Oct 2003, 23:18
Originally posted by Adelaide Hawk
Here is what I really don't follow about Jade Rawlings.
He is a good handy player, there's no doubting that, but when did he suddenly become this key forward that everyone is suggesting he is? In his first 4 seasons for the Hawks he could hardly get a kick, let alone a game. In 2000 he finally started showing some promise .... as a marking defender. Until this season that is what he has been ... a defender.
In 2003 he played the entire season in the forward line, and had a fair season, but nothing startling. He kicked 34 goals in 22 games, and in 13 of those games he kicked 1 or less goals.
I fail to see how 34 goals elevates a player into superstar status, I mean it's hardly Tredrea stuff is it? To put things into perspective, Rawlings kicked 59 less goals than Lloyd this season.
So why is he being regarded as a superstar forward when in reality he was probably 3rd string at Hawthorn? And why is he being offered huge money? He would need to do one hell of a lot more than he has done to justify the money.
8 seasons ..... 116 games, 62 goals. Average.
I always liked Rawlings as a player at Hawthorn, but I never once viewed him as a match winner or a champion, and yet now he will be getting paid as much as some of the very best players in the game, and more in some cases. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Exactly how I feel about Rawlings, when we supposedly pulled out of the race for him a couple of days ago, I breathed a sigh of relief.
Now that he decided he wants to join us, I have the feeling we will be expected to move heaven & earth to satisfy Hawthorn and in return we get an average / good, injury prone guy whom is in the middle of his peak as a footballer.
Originally posted by Hawk71
It's looking more and more like Pick 9 and a player will be the deal! Hawthorn will have two Top 10 picks and should on-trade Pick 9 to lure either Wirrapunda or Soloman.
The other option with North is the availability of Shannon Grant , and a possible direct trade with Rawlings , draft picks would also come into consideration to even things out.
Would the Kanga's consider trading Grant??
If you're expecting Pick 9 and a player for an average to good injury prone footballer, then if that doesn't work a direct swap with a club champion, (and just missing out on his 2nd club champion), Norm Smith medalist you've got to joking. Would not even consider it if you threw in your first & second round draft pick.
Originally posted by Hawk71
It's looking more and more like Pick 9 and a player will be the deal! Hawthorn will have two Top 10 picks and should on-trade Pick 9 to lure either Wirrapunda or Soloman.
Both wirra and soloman will most likely cost more then that, especially since most other clubs are likely to give up more to get them.
Originally posted by Aussie_Roo
and in return we get an average / good, injury prone guy whom is in the middle of his peak as a footballer.
Fwiw every other KPP at Hawthorn has missed far more games than Jade has (two in the last three seasons) missed.
Injury prone is a bit of a myth on evidence from 2000 onwards.
Originally posted by feher
Both wirra and soloman will most likely cost more then that, especially since most other clubs are likely to give up more to get them.
Pick #9 for Solomon? Interesting...
If we had pick #9, then we'd have pick #9 and pick #13, and Port would like to trade Stevens to us for those two picks. Doubt we'd get rid of them both though. We'd only trade two draft picks for Stevens if we could get another first round pick. But it's hard work trading for two extra first round picks. We'll have to get rid of two regular senior players at least. That would make room under the cap for Stevens though.
The only worry for us with such trading is that we've already got a balanced list. We don't need to make wholesale changes, we just need to patient with the current youngsters we've got coming through. I doubt we'd be keen to trade Solomon, but we may have no choice if we can't reach a satisfactory contract. Pick #9 would be a reasonable trade, in my opinion.
bluebaggers95
6 Oct 2003, 04:05
did'nt baird play for the hawks a couple of yrs ago
Hodgie_15
6 Oct 2003, 09:38
I've got an idea.
Hawks to trade Rawlings to Kangas for pick 9 and Baird.
They then do another trade to West Coast which involves Brett Johnson and pick 9 or 10 for David Wirrpunda.
Hawks gain: Baird and Wirrpunda
Hawks lose: Rawlings and Johnson
I like Wirrpunda and think he's a great talent. I realise he plays in the back pocket, but who's to say he has to play there for the Hawks. I think he'd be a quality midfielder that can play both up forward (kicked 5 goals against the Hawks 2 years ago) and down back.
I think Johnson will be traded as he is out of contract and has had limited opportunities. I'd rather Clarke be traded, but there's no doubt Johno will create more interest, as I think he will be a quality player.
Just an idea?
Originally posted by Hodgie_15
I've got an idea.
Hawks to trade Rawlings to Kangas for pick 9 and Baird.
They then do another trade to West Coast which involves Brett Johnson and pick 9 or 10 for David Wirrpunda.
Hawks gain: Baird and Wirrpunda
Hawks lose: Rawlings and Johnson
I have also been thinking this trade could work! Fair for all parties.
Hawks still keep a first round draft selection and obtain a KPP and a versatile player like Wirra. Now here is a realistic trade, let's do it!