biggest bandwagoners - in order * (improved version) [Archive]

TigerTank

10 Mar 2001, 10:01

Bandwagoners in order are:

1) Ferrari F1 - Know nothing about F1? Join the Red Army
2) Manchester United - Know nothing about soccer? Join the Red Army
3) Holden Racing Team - Know nothing about V8 Supercar? Join the Red Army
4) Essendon Football Club - Know nothing about AFL? Join the Red and black Army

- and then there's ...

5) Chicago Bulls
6) Dallas Cowboys
7) New York Yankees
8) Anna Kournikova

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JLC

10 Mar 2001, 10:05

Finally a true indication of Bandwagon teams.
The only thing with Essendon who is in charge of the Essendon bandwagon ?? All their supporters are underage little shits........lol

APA

Malibu

10 Mar 2001, 10:17

Too true
Too true TigerTank.

Sorry, but the Ferrari one irks me the most, but the McLaren Mercedes fans are growing in numbers as well, they're not too far behind.

greggo

10 Mar 2001, 10:23

ferrari?

didn't he play for the fitzroy in 1987?

Oh sorry - I thought for a minute I was posting on Australian Football League Board

Why don't you fellas take it outside!

Pessimistic

10 Mar 2001, 11:02

They all seem to wear red... except Kournikova. But prhaps she wears red where we can't see....

Darky

10 Mar 2001, 11:15

Originally posted by Pessimistic:
They all seem to wear red... except Kournikova. But prhaps she wears red where we can't see....

No Pess, she doesn't wear it at my place :D

InTheBack!

10 Mar 2001, 11:18

10 Mar 2001, 11:26

Originally posted by TigerTank:
Bandwagoners in order are:

1) Ferrari F1 - Know nothing about F1? Join the Red Army
2) Manchester United - Know nothing about soccer? Join the Red Army
3) Holden Racing Team - Know nothing about V8 Supercar? Join the Red Army
4) Essendon Football Club - Know nothing about AFL? Join the Red and black Army

- and then there's ...

5) Chicago Bulls
6) Dallas Cowboys
7) New York Yankees
8) Anna Kournikova

Ferrari won there first world champ for like ages! Man Utd I agree on,Holden ; maybe coz everyone knows how shit and pathetic the fords are, and they should be racing in the V-DUB League! Essendon I defently agree on.

To your second list, if you still love the Bulls (like me and jod), even though they have the worse record in the NBA, are we called bandwagoners??? Cowboys and Yankees i agree on but anna!, she is god damn hot! :)

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Mags

10 Mar 2001, 11:43

La Lakers fans seem too be poping up now everywhere. Wonder Y :rolleyes:

Arch

10 Mar 2001, 11:44

TT- look at Jethro's post and the crowd figures for your own in club in their most successful year in a long time- 1995 compared to the year before.

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eastaugh36

10 Mar 2001, 11:57

Originally posted by Mags:
La Lakers fans seem too be poping up now everywhere. Wonder Y :rolleyes:

I am an LA laker fan, have been since 93/94 when they were struggling, and as for essendon, you just assume everyone supporting them is a bandwagoner, thats not true, carlton and collingwood have just as many bandwagoners, essendon draw well regardless of their position, carlton definitely dont

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The invisible mullet

10 Mar 2001, 12:02

ha ha ha ha this is so funny - if you really want to pick out a side for bandwagon jumpers the Lakers are it. Easty just chose the wrong time to get on the bandwagon. Go the Minneapolis Lakers!

Originally posted by eastaugh36:
I am an LA laker fan, have been since 93/94 when they were struggling, and as for essendon, you just assume everyone supporting them is a bandwagoner, thats not true, carlton and collingwood have just as many bandwagoners, essendon draw well regardless of their position, carlton definitely dont

Cantona

10 Mar 2001, 12:03

Shitago Bulls-jeez i remember every idiot went for them.Now they are shit and you don't even hear of american basketball-thank god for that.Thank god that jordan fella retired.

By the way Manchester United have been the biggest supported team in the world since the Busby Babes.Of course when your the best everybody wants to follow you.Glory Glory Man United as the Reds go marching ON ON ON.

CJH

10 Mar 2001, 12:12

Originally posted by Arch:
TT- look at Jethro's post and the crowd figures for your own in club in their most successful year in a long time- 1995 compared to the year before.

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And you point being?

That the dramatic increase shown between 1993 and 1995 is proof of a large bandwagon element?

Since 95, we have been intermittently inconsistent and unlucky, not making the finals in any of them, yet always threatening.

Nonetheless, the avg attendance has remained consistently healthy.

Does this mean that 20,000 people forgot to get of the bandwagon?

Or did Richmond achieve and maintain a 100% growth in hardcore support?

I suggest the latter is more likely.

P.S. - Wait till you get a load of us this year - we will be back on the most hated list with a bullett! :D

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Mags

10 Mar 2001, 12:14

Whateva Wasted Space. U think that.

eastaugh36

10 Mar 2001, 13:36

ok, wasted brain

Arch

10 Mar 2001, 14:26

well if a richmond supporter accuses our club of being the so called "bandwagon (f*ck im getting tired of that word) club" I think Im more than entitled to reply, that while our figures have been steady all the way through, richmonds suddenly jumped up significantly during a season of success.

Its more a case of defending my club again.

Im asking a richmond fan ,TT,who is accusing MY club of BW status, to look at the stats, which show his own club is more worthy of it than mine.

simple.

Agent 86

10 Mar 2001, 14:33

TigerTank, beautifully put cob :D
I'd just like to go on the record (to remove myself from future glory days as a bandwagon jumper) as saying T-Wolves all the way.... reason? - first mob to give an Aussie a go, been on them since they drafted Longley, should've given Heal more of a go though.

10 Mar 2001, 15:33

Originally posted by Cantona:

By the way Manchester United have been the biggest supported team in the world since the Busby Babes.Of course when your the best everybody wants to follow you.Glory Glory Man United as the Reds go marching ON ON ON.

Oi!!! You watch what you say!! ManUre are NOT the REDS !!! The REDS are the Mighty Liverpool FC!!! ManUre has the biggest bandwagon of all!!

Q. In what way is Manchester United like a computer virus?

A. Everything before 1993 has been deleted!!

CJH

10 Mar 2001, 17:56

Originally posted by Arch:
well if a richmond supporter accuses our club of being the so called "bandwagon (f*ck im getting tired of that word) club" I think Im more than entitled to reply, that while our figures have been steady all the way through, richmonds suddenly jumped up significantly during a season of success.

Its more a case of defending my club again.

Im asking a richmond fan ,TT,who is accusing MY club of BW status, to look at the stats, which show his own club is more worthy of it than mine.

simple.

Has all this discussion come about because an Essendon supporter accused our club of having a high Bandwagon element, whereas placing his own second last?

Isn't a bandwagoner one who jumps of (as quick as he got on) when the going gets a little rough?

You have failed to explain how the statistics support showing that these bandwagoners have indeed jumped off in the very rough years since 1995.

Indeed, the statistics show that our average home crowd has increased since that time.

The facts do not support Richmond having a large bandwagon element any moreso than they do Essendon.

Indeed, analysis of the provided figures show that the trend of average crowd figures for Essendon and Richmond are remarkably similar, notwithstanding the fact that Essendon have had some stellar seasons during that period, as opposed to Richmond's stellar mediocrity! :D

For the record, Essendon's average home figure spiked from 27,762 to 45,550 (64%)between 1991 and 1993. This was probably influenced by the move from Windy Hill (?) and the fact that 1993 was a premiership year.

Richmond's average home figure jumped from 23,412 to 43,551 in the years between 1993 and 1995. This was influenced by the fact that we were a basket case until 1994, at which point a lot of the players grew the confidence that enabled them to compete.

Since these spikes, bith clubs have been able to hold consistently strong home figures.

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Hawkforce.

10 Mar 2001, 17:59

Let's call it even...

Essendon and Richmond are BOTH full of bandwagoners!!!!

ant

10 Mar 2001, 18:00

TigerTank, you've just brought to my attention that I am in fact a bandwagoner. Since Schumacher went to Ferrari I've been a big fan, since 1994 (when I started to follow soccer) I've been a Man Utd. fan. I don't know much about cars but I favour Holden over Ford. I don't like Essendon or the Bulls anymore but the Cowboys have been my gridiron team ever since they beat the Bills by about 40 in the Superbowl. The Yankees are my favourite baseball team and ANNA is the only female tennis player to watch in my book. Does this make me a bandwagoner??? All these years I've been a bandwagoner and nobody's told me. Oh the shame, the humiliation......

vanders

10 Mar 2001, 18:20

well, all i can say is, ive followed hawthorn since i was born, i was bread that way, if i went for anyone else i wouldve been shot and well, im glad i follow them because they are great!
On the basketball front, i support any NBA side that gives an aussie a go, i dont care who they are or how bad they are but thats just the way i am!
Car racing sux and so does soccer so there is no point even going there

and one more thing!

Lleyton Hewitt is an absolute champion and ive loved the way he plays the game since day 1!

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Every sperm is sacred

10 Mar 2001, 18:32

What Mr Tank neglected to preface his moan with was that he was once MUFC until he realized that as a Protestant he was actually being a traitor & so joined the provo's down Maine Rd way.
Years of relegation compared to absolute domination have soured his views.
Them's the breaks.

As a person who follows F1 but follows drivers & not marques, I can assure Mr. Tank that Ferrari have always had a huge following successful or not.

Essenscum are not part of the big 3 by accident either.

What all these 3 organizations have in common is a Catholic background. Could it be that Mr. T has some hidden agenda?
Maybe he should post in orange.

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As for topdon's Liverpiddle, don't make me laugh!
Sunderland & Newcastle are now bigger clubs!!
And their supporters seem to make it home from their games ALIVE!!!!
"Oi, no shoving down the back!"

carb70

10 Mar 2001, 18:57

Originally posted by TigerTank:
Bandwagoners in order are:

- and then there's ...

5) Chicago Bulls
6) Dallas Cowboys
7) New York Yankees
8) Anna Kournikova

TT, I agree with most of your list except for 3 of them.

The Lakers bandwagon is now the one everyone seem to be jumping on, not the Bulls now that Jordan has gone.

The Cowboys are not the great team they used to be. There really isn't a team in the NFL today that is any more popular than another. I think if the St Louis Rams can win their 2nd SB in 3 years this season then everbody will jump on their bandwagon because they have some of the biggest stars in the NFL playing for them.

As far as Anna goes don't you need to be successful to have people jumping on your bandwagon. I think the only jumping her male fans what to do is into her bed.

jod23

10 Mar 2001, 19:22

The Lakers can get F*cked!!!!

Go BULLS!!!

Go BRAND!!!!

Go ARTEST!!!!

Go EL AMIN!!!

Go MERCER!!!

Go EAGLES!!!

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carb70

10 Mar 2001, 19:29

jod, I see you have jumped on a bandwagon. The only problem is it's heading in the wrong direction. :D

The Dutchman!

10 Mar 2001, 19:54

Boring boring boring boring boring boring essendon-baiter post no#67,543...

given this is a footy forum the only one the list that is relevent is, you guessed it, the aussie footy club...

Arch - last year the non-sensible attach was choke, choke, choke - we won't give you any respect cos you're chokers. Looks like bandwagoners is this years chokers. Bizarre how it doesn't account for almost all of the bomber fans on Big footy who have been on board the bandwagon waaaaayyyyyy before 93.

Yawnarama. Another post as dumb as Dan's.

Dan26

10 Mar 2001, 20:41

Dutchman

Firstly, my post isn't dumb. It generated 112 responses in 36 hours, so if it creates interest, then it's good for bigfooty !!!

I might add, that there are over 100 pages of past posts, which means thousands of topics. If you can think of a topic that hasn't been done to death, I'd like to hear it. I couldn't remember anyone listing bandwagon support, so i thought I'd give it a crack !

I agree that the labelling of Essendon as bandwagoners is this years "baiting mechanism". As you said, last year, it was the "choke".

I've given my reasons why Essendons support remains strong in all circumstances, and it relates to never having had to wait more than 19 years for a flag. This means that if the club performs poorly, there is an expectation that it will turn around.

If you examine Richmonds history, you will see there are long periods of un-competitiveness, separated by long periods of success. In my opinion, this makes the bandwagon element larger for a club like the Tigers.

So please...... I think the topic is ok. People are responding to it at least.

WCE2000

10 Mar 2001, 21:26

you people seem to have the wrong impression of bandwagging.
Bandwaggoning is not supporting a team because they're going good.
Bandwaggoning is supporting a team because everyone else does.
But i suppose on most occasioins the side is going well.

But Take Anna Kournikova for instance. People bandwagon with her because shes good looking, not because shes a good player. If somehow, she got ugly, then she would have virtually no support no matter how many tournaments they won.

People still bandwagon with the Bulls, because its the only team they know from the NBA. Same with the Cowboys. Niether are going well, but they would be the most supported teams from their respective codes in Australia (and probably the world) because people don't know anyone else.

Just on the topic, what do you think is the most supported sporting team in the world. (Any sport, any team - national, club, state)?

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Danny Chook Fan Club

10 Mar 2001, 21:42

Originally posted by Every sperm is sacred:
What Mr Tank neglected to preface his moan with ...

Oh dear! Another brave soul is having his unregistered say. Nothing wrong with that, except a quick search reveals our friend ESIS has never posted before! At least, never under that name. Gutless!

Originally posted by Every sperm is sacred:
"Oi, no shoving down the back!"

Very, very poor taste.

Hawkforce.

10 Mar 2001, 21:54

Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club:
Very, very poor taste.

Funnily enough, Chook, I felt a sense of recognition as I read ESIS's post. Pie; ManUre; Cars; Catholic... and I'm sure I have come across the "liverpiddle" joke before too!

Maybe I am just being paranoid... watcha think?

vanders

11 Mar 2001, 05:10

Originally posted by WCE2000:

Just on the topic, what do you think is the most supported sporting team in the world. (Any sport, any team - national, club, state)?

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I would have to say Ferarri or Man Unt definitely.

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11 Mar 2001, 05:36

Originally posted by WCE2000:

Just on the topic, what do you think is the most supported sporting team in the world. (Any sport, any team - national, club, state)?

World: Real Madrid, Manchester United (How it pains me to say)
National: Essendon Football Club (I would have said Collingwood, but you said the most "supported").
State:
Vic - Melbourne Storm
NSW - Warratas
Qld - Brisbane Broncos
Tas - umm.....Bernie FC?
WA - West Coast Eagles
SA - Southern Redbacks (i'm not going to start another Crows / PAP discussion).
NT & ACT - Territories don't count

WCE2000

11 Mar 2001, 07:59

So far no ones got it, it may be different now, but the team was infront by a fair way when i read a report last year.

Obviously, the report is estimates, but it was fairly accurate.

So, its not Man Utd, Ferrari or Man Utd.
When i tell you the answer, you would of thought, 'of course it was them'

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Danny Chook Fan Club

11 Mar 2001, 09:17

Originally posted by Hawkforce.:
Funnily enough, Chook, I felt a sense of recognition as I read ESIS's post. Pie; ManUre; Cars; Catholic... and I'm sure I have come across the "liverpiddle" joke before too!

Maybe I am just being paranoid... watcha think?

You might be on to something Hawkforce ...

Dan26

11 Mar 2001, 09:27

WCE2000,

Well who is it, according to you?

Arch

11 Mar 2001, 10:51

CJH,
This is what u wrote :
"Richmond's average home figure jumped from 23,412 to 43,551 in the years between 1993 and 1995. This was influenced by the fact that we were a basket case until 1994, at which point a lot of the players grew the confidence that enabled them to compete."

Where were all the richmond fans before 94, when your lot was a "basketcase"??? YOu still havent accounted for that, except for saying that people jumped on due to success. Since 95, richmond has always been in the hunt to some degree, missing out on the finals by the barest of margins (as im sure youre well aware ;))why would they jump off? So to say they've been a "basketcase" since isnt really correct. So to say that Essendon fans are equally or more prone to being BW'ers than richmonds is plain wrong- as our crowd figures during two years of poor, injury plagued, badly coached football (97,98) didnt slip.

. I understand what TT is doing, but maybe if didnt come from a richmond fan, it would be less offensive.

A.

PS- Dutchy- i know- "if aint one thing its a-f*cking-nother"

Dan26

11 Mar 2001, 12:05

Arch,

Good post. Even with Richmonds "moderate success" over the last 7 years, the crowds to their credit have been okay. But rhe "bandwagon" support that I have referred to, on top of their core support can often come on a week-to-week basis.

It's not fair to analyse crowds for the entire season, since they give an overall indication. Sometimes, if you look at the crowds genearted after one poor performance, once can see why the bandwagon nature is high for Richmond.

To the Tigers credit, they do have reasonable core support. I have stated this many times.

I have also said that Richmonds history usually features many bad years consecutively (eg 1948-1966, 1983-1994) followed by many good years consecutively (1919-1944, 1967-1982). This means that when they become uncompetitive, they usually stay that way for a long time. This means there is a bigger propensity foer their supporters to jump on the bandwagon.

Our club, Essendon, has never had to wait longer than 19 years for a flag, so even when we do perform poorly, there is always the expectation that the club will turn it around. The type of history a club has, often determines that nature of it's supporters. This rings true with Richmond and Essendon.

Same Old's

11 Mar 2001, 12:36

Originally posted by WCE2000:
Just on the topic, what do you think is the most supported sporting team in the world. (Any sport, any team - national, club, state)?

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I would have to say any Chinese national sports team.

WCE2000

11 Mar 2001, 13:28

OK, its not the a Chinese National Team, but kinda close - it is an Asian Naitonal Team. Its the Indian Cricket Team.
I read on some sports website, the estimated nearly 1 billion people worldwide support them.
It said they estimated 800 million people from the 1 billion in India to follow the side, and about 150 million from the surrounding Asian countries.

I dont know if thats right, but when you think about, it probably would be, because the Indian's are so fanatical.

Manchester United were 2nd, on about 500/600 million people. Can't remember the exact details.

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Blues2001

12 Mar 2001, 08:02

Originally posted by Every sperm is sacred:
What Mr Tank neglected to preface his moan with was that he was once MUFC until he realized that as a Protestant he was actually being a traitor & so joined the provo's down Maine Rd way.
Years of relegation compared to absolute domination have soured his views.
Them's the breaks.

As a person who follows F1 but follows drivers & not marques, I can assure Mr. Tank that Ferrari have always had a huge following successful or not.

Essenscum are not part of the big 3 by accident either.

What all these 3 organizations have in common is a Catholic background. Could it be that Mr. T has some hidden agenda?
Maybe he should post in orange.

"

I know Man Utd and Ferrari have a Catholic background, but Essendon - at present they do but they never used to!

Yep, Essendon were easily the most sectarian club in the league. Run by Freemanson's, it wasn't until the 50's that they thought they might let Catholics play for them. And even then, only until Kevin Sheedy came to the club did that culture change. Now they have a Catholic president too, and Lloyd, Mercuri, Misiti, Caracella, and their two new Xavier College youngsters in the draft were all good Catholic schoolboys (plus more I bet)

So maybe now they are sectarian in the other direction (only joking)!

So I wouldn't say their background was Catholic, but very much bitter anti - Catholic (what a lovely club) - but now they are quite the opposite.

Blues2001

12 Mar 2001, 08:26

Originally posted by eastaugh36:
I am an LA laker fan, have been since 93/94 when they were struggling, and as for essendon, you just assume everyone supporting them is a bandwagoner, thats not true, carlton and collingwood have just as many bandwagoners, essendon draw well regardless of their position, carlton definitely dont

Definitely? Is this just a guess? Or do you just hate Carlton? You sound just like Dan24. Our membership has grown along steadily in the last 10 years. Yours doubled after you won the flag - isn't that bandwagon support?

vanders

12 Mar 2001, 19:04

the india thing doesnt suprise me, but i didnt think we were talking national teams. oh well, wouldnt have thought of india anyway!!

it was suprising today in the herald sun that some guy actually knew adam gilchrist has a black dog and while michael slater was eating at a restaurant,a waiter came up to him and said "happy birthday for 3 hours time" shows how fanatical they really are if they know this much about guys that arent even from their own country.

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Stealth bomber

12 Mar 2001, 22:52

In the US, it would be Notre Dame, by far.

They have the distinction of being the most supported and the most disliked sports team in the US, I would guess. Even though they only play at the college level.

NBC has a contract to show all of Notre Dame's football games on NATIONAL television. They are the only college team of any kind with a specific television contract. Meanwhile, most major college football conferences are forced to be televised to limited regional audiences.

Imagine for a minute if you had the Collingwood football network, where every Collingwood match was on nationwide television every week, while the rest of the country found itself forced to purchase their club's matches on pay-per-view.

Notre Dame also have a special automatic bid in the Bowl Championship Series which no other school has. The preferential treatment they get is sickening.

Imagine if the AFL made a contractual clause that guaranteed Essendon a slot in the finals if they won at least 11 matches in the home and away season. In some cases, more deserving clubs with better records but less "fan appeal" would get left out of the finals action simply because they wouldn't get high TV ratings.

Notre Dame is a Catholic University. Yet it's surprising how many of the people that support them are not Catholic, did not ever attend the University and have nothing related to them in any way possible. Kids wear Notre Dame clothing cause it looks "cool" but otherwise know almost nothing about the institution or the football team itself. They just follow it because so many other people do too. Sheep.

walshy1993

13 Mar 2001, 11:00

success = bandwagoners

of all the above mentioned (except anna kournikove) they have all in the last 10 or so years been successfull

so in reality you are slagging a team for being successful

no one likes a loser and with success there is always going to be a large contigent of bandwagoners, i knew one melbourne supporter pre 2000 finals, all of a sudden they were everywhere at uni
how many bulldog supporters were around pre late 90's?

the fact is its a part of sport, and for most of you slagging bandwagoners or teams for having them is really just a form of envy

The Old Dark Navy's

13 Mar 2001, 19:01

Shit, I liked Chicago because of Jordan but before the first pennant. Does it still count? I like HRT because Brock was my favourite from the late 70's on. Perhaps? I liked Dallas from one of their leaner periods. Part reputation and partly because Debbie did them!! Thought it might give me a chance!!! I'm a Nottingham Forest fan so that gets me out of the bandwagon loop. I hate Schumacher and therefore Ferrari. I follow drivers more than teams like Coulthard, Hill, Prost, Lauda etc but more often than not they are McLaren drivers. Hmmm? As for Anna, hey I play for the Kournikova Titans. I like Jennifer Capriati though.