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I'd like Ottens, or coughlan.
Realistically, we'll be looking at a draft pick or two.
BomberGal
9 Oct 2003, 17:51
Didn't he quit cuz we didn't want to trade with Richmond?
Anyway. If they give us anyone, it better be Ottens.
Ottens? We traded Solomon because we couldn't afford him. What makes you think we'll be able to afford Ottens? Besides, Richmond won't let him go.
We'll be looking for a first round pick.
Originally posted by Stevo
Ottens? We traded Solomon because we couldn't afford him. What makes you think we'll be able to afford Ottens? Besides, Richmond won't let him go.
Read: "REALISTICALLY". ;)
stevens
or
white + draft picks
or
draft picks
ASLONG AS WE GET RICKY DYSON I DONT CARE :)
Darealrath
9 Oct 2003, 18:13
We'll get fkn nothing decent off richmond. You'd think the Bulldogs would get 1st choice of their trade bait and draft picks.
But they reckon Solly is worth $400k - so we should demand $400k worth of goods in return - problem is that we can't afford jack****. We need their first pick - i don't want hacks like Tivendale.
Ottens is the really only player from Richmond that Essendon needs really, He'll be a great fix for the ruck problem. But Im not sure if he's still an 'untouchable'.
Mattlowry
9 Oct 2003, 18:25
3 options i think...
Bowden (Highest possibility but could go to the dogs)
Holland (Possibility if he takes a pay cut)
#6 Draft Pick (My preference but i think that could also go to the dogs)
If Holland JUST accepted going to the dogs then all would work..
Holland/Bowden for Brown
#6 For Solomon
Then #6 an #13 for Stevens to Essendon..
Darealrath
9 Oct 2003, 18:27
Originally posted by pfinn
Ottens is the really only player from Richmond that Essendon needs really, He'll be a great fix for the ruck problem. But Im not sure if he's still an 'untouchable'.
How the hell can we afford pay Ottens when we can't afford what Solly wants ?
We can pay the 400k for solomon, but at the start Solomon asked for something around 280k and Essendon has matched that offer. then Richmond came in and said we'll give you 400k. Essendon refuse to go higher then the original asking price, and refuse to get into bidding wars with other clubs who try to over pay players.
We don't just have to trade with Richmond...
Geelong are interested. Melbourne are interested. There's plenty of clubs we can trade with.
I don't think the problem is that we can't afford Solomon. The problem is that we aren't willing to pay $400,000 for him, because he's not worth that much.
ben holland 4 solomon and maybe pick 21 or 37
Originally posted by Mattlowry
3 options i think...
Bowden (Highest possibility but could go to the dogs)
Holland (Possibility if he takes a pay cut)
#6 Draft Pick (My preference but i think that could also go to the dogs)
If Holland JUST accepted going to the dogs then all would work..
Holland/Bowden for Brown
#6 For Solomon
Then #6 an #13 for Stevens to Essendon..
Bulldogs don't want Ben Holland anyway...Bulldogs are also looking at senior players instead of another pick so you never know, you guys might end up with pick 6 after all.
rfctigerarmy
9 Oct 2003, 19:22
Originally posted by Stevo
We'll be looking for a first round pick.
I doubt you would get it REALISTICALLY:D
I think maybe...
Bowden + 4th Round? (3rd we already have Roachy father/son)
Originally posted by rfctigerarmy
I doubt you would get it REALISTICALLY:D
I think maybe...
Bowden + 4th Round? (3rd we already have Roachy father/son)
AAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
get serious or get ****3d
you will pay through the nose for solly ;) so we will bleed you for your future EHEHEHEHE
Originally posted by sante2003
ben holland 4 solomon and maybe pick 21 or 37
Nope. Your deadwood isn't going to buy one of our core senior players.
Originally posted by rfctigerarmy
I doubt you would get it REALISTICALLY:D
I think maybe...
Bowden + 4th Round? (3rd we already have Roachy father/son)
I think we will get it. It probably won't be a straight swap, but I think we'll get it.
If Richmond won't give it to us, then Richmond won't get Solomon. You've got nothing else that we'd want that's worth Solomon.
rfctigerarmy
9 Oct 2003, 19:36
Originally posted by Stevo
I think we will get it. It probably won't be a straight swap, but I think we'll get it.
If Richmond won't give it to us, then Richmond won't get Solomon. You've got nothing else that we'd want that's worth Solomon.
Thats fine with me.
How about we just **** Richmond right off, they're the ones who've made us lose him. Ship him down the Princes to Geelong and send a courier for Pick #7 in return.
It seems Holland isn't a wanted player anywhere. IF Richmond can't offload him and his over priced contract (imagine that, a richmond player having an overpriced contract). Then Richmond wont be able to afford Brown and Solomon. Richmond has to get rid of holland and another 100-200k player to make room for the 2 high priced recruits they want.
If Richmond value Solomon at $400000, they better trade us something worth $400000. Not a hack like Holland who we don't need.
windyhill
9 Oct 2003, 21:43
solomon for ottens ? One dodgy knee for one dodgy back ?. collingwood have pulled themselves silly over solomon when his contract has come up in the past, but what could they possibly offer ? He`d be a good fit at collingwood, they need defenders with a bit of heart , who run straight at it, same goes for richmond, i mean look at their soft excuse for a captain . These clubs will give us little in the way of players, so i would want draft picks.
Originally posted by bozza
How about we just **** Richmond right off, they're the ones who've made us lose him. Ship him down the Princes to Geelong and send a courier for Pick #7 in return.
No thanks.
Street and a second-round?
Originally posted by Tank
Bulldogs don't want Ben Holland anyway...Bulldogs are also looking at senior players instead of another pick so you never know, you guys might end up with pick 6 after all.
I find that weird considering they are EXTREMELY short down back and Holland could be just the man for the job!
Anyways for Solly, if we talk with Geelong:
One of the Corey's (either Corey Enright or Joel Corey) and at minimum a second round draft pick. Failing that, why not just go for Cameron Ling????:p
Fall Out Boy
9 Oct 2003, 22:26
Originally posted by azza714
One of the Corey's (either Corey Enright or Joel Corey) and at minimum a second round draft pick.
Oh, please.
Joel Corey is a 21 year old 190cm midfielder who gets the pill 20 times a week.
You want him AND a draft pick for Dean Solomon, the same Dean Solomon who has just walked out of Essendon?
Wholly unrealistic to expect so much.
Originally posted by azza714
...why not just go for Cameron Ling????:p
Peverill is taking up too much of our Ugly Cap.:D
Essendon will want a pick....no room to move in the cap so a pick is the best and cheapest option. whoever gives us the earliest pick gets solly end of story
What about:
To Melbourne: Ben Holland (from Richmond), Danny Jacobs, Pick 30(? your second round)(from Essendon)
To Richmond: Dean Solomon (from Essendon)
To Essendon: Jeff White (from Melbourne), Pick 21 (from Richmond)
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Oh, please.
Joel Corey is a 21 year old 190cm midfielder who gets the pill 20 times a week.
You want him AND a draft pick for Dean Solomon, the same Dean Solomon who has just walked out of Essendon?
Wholly unrealistic to expect so much.
Oh I dunno.. I was thinking maybe we could even ship Solly out west and ask for Pavlich and Sandilands. :p
(I would ask for Simmonds, but for some reason i think their might be some bad blood there!) :p
Originally posted by dj21
Peverill is taking up too much of our Ugly Cap.:D
So i guess that redrafting Mick Martyn Would be out of the question then? :(
ibleedyello&blk
9 Oct 2003, 22:44
Why is there all this talk of clubs trying to deal with other clubs when players have expressed where it is they wished to be traded to. As they are out of contract they cannot be forced to go to a team that they don't want to, therefore unless a trade can be struck, essendon and the bullies might find themselves out in the cold while brown and soloman opt for the draft.
As far as I am concerned we should trade bowden and fiora to the bullies for brown and possibly #6 to the dons for soloman.
That done, send holland back to Adelaide for Bode, I don't think the dees have anythign we want, unless of course we get lamb and ontrade him to the bullies.
what about bowden + blumfield
Originally posted by go team
what about bowden + blumfield
I dunno about us supposedly already paying for half of Blumfield's contract, if we are then i would accept that deal. We could get a few good years out of Bowden until Reynolds/Watson etc come along
ibleedyello&blk
9 Oct 2003, 22:57
i was thinking more along the lines of:
bowden + fiora for brown
#6 for solloy (ray hall could even come into the equation there)
Originally posted by ibleedyello&blk
i was thinking more along the lines of:
bowden + fiora for brown
#6 for solloy (ray hall could even come into the equation there)
Are you sure you want to get rid of Ray Hall? that means that Stafford will be on the field more.. and beating up more unsuspecting ruckmen! :p
Originally posted by Shaitan
No thanks.
Street and a second-round?
Nope. We'd almost be better off using our young ruckmen than Street, so there's no chance you'll get Solomon for him.
We might offer you Solomon and Jacobs for pick #7.
I'll say again...anyone for Geelong's 1st round (Pick #7)??
ibleedyello&blk
9 Oct 2003, 23:16
Originally posted by Stevo
We might offer you Solomon and Jacobs for pick #7.
How about Solomon and Jacobs for pick #6?
solomon and jacobs for pick six...i could live with that
Kretiuk #35
9 Oct 2003, 23:41
Originally posted by ibleedyello&blk
As far as I am concerned we should trade bowden and fiora to the bullies for brown and possibly #6 to the dons for soloman.
That done, send holland back to Adelaide for Bode, I don't think the dees have anythign we want, unless of course we get lamb and ontrade him to the bullies.
Thats the stupidest thing i've heard today, congratz moron
Bowden and Fiora, lmao
Not even Geelong are that stupid...
Originally posted by ibleedyello&blk
How about Solomon and Jacobs for pick #6?
Where do I sign?
thats awful geez dont sell urself out for that **** stevo ;)
ibleedyello&blk
9 Oct 2003, 23:52
Originally posted by Kretiuk #35
Thats the stupidest thing i've heard today, congratz moron
Bowden and Fiora, lmao
Not even Geelong are that stupid...
fcuk off idiot. I'm here to voice my thoughts, which is what a forum is for. No one is asking you to like it or agree with it.
Cupestar
10 Oct 2003, 00:16
Originally posted by Stevo
Where do I sign?
That's too much to lose for a single draft pick. Last time we had a pick 6, we used it on Daniel McAlister.
Cupestar
10 Oct 2003, 00:17
What I mean is, we can get better value for those two guys elsewhere...ie a Stevens deal...
Port probably won't take Jacobs, and they definitely won't take Solomon.
I'd like to separate them into different trades, but we may not have that option. If it comes down to Jacobs & Solomon for a high draft pick, I think it's worth it.
Cupestar
10 Oct 2003, 00:46
I was actually thinking 3 way deal
$olomon to ice the deal that brings Stevens to Essendon.
Originally posted by ibleedyello&blk
Why is there all this talk of clubs trying to deal with other clubs when players have expressed where it is they wished to be traded to. As they are out of contract they cannot be forced to go to a team that they don't want to, therefore unless a trade can be struck, essendon and the bullies might find themselves out in the cold while brown and soloman opt for the draft.
Because if another club is willing to pay Dollarmon what he wants he would rather take that than the uncertainty of the draft.
If we 'only' get a draft pick out of this i will be very peed off. We could do without another McAllister and Davies thank you very much!! :o
if I was Essendon I would be deciding what/who I want from what club and if that means Solomon doesn't get what he wants (ie club of choice) then tuff luck. Essendon are losing a quality player who has a premiership medallion - I would be going after what ESSENDON wants and not what Dean Solomon wants.
Fall Out Boy
10 Oct 2003, 10:06
Originally posted by Stevo
We might offer you Solomon and Jacobs for pick #7.
Where do i sign?
Fall Out Boy
10 Oct 2003, 10:09
Originally posted by Tinker
if I was Essendon I would be deciding what/who I want from what club and if that means Solomon doesn't get what he wants (ie club of choice) then tuff luck.
Not tough luck at all, because Solomon needs to agree to the deal.
If Essendon took that approach, Solomon would, and rightfully so, tell you to stick it and nominate for the pre-season draft.
The Essendon hierarchy aren't silly enough to adopt such a suggestion.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Where do i sign?
Not just yet... The Dogs are also interested in Jacobs, apparently, so we'll see what they have to offer. ;)
dover56
10 Oct 2003, 11:15
i would love to trade and get richo from the tiges, as long as they paid some of his contract (maybe give us the cash we pay for blumfield back). he is a gun, even if his onfield demeanour is sometimes poor. would be an awesome ruckmen come chf. what people are saying about solomon being able to nominate for the draft is tru, but the doggies and the blues both have space to move under the cap, so even if he demands 400k a year they will pick him up and he wont be able to go to tiges/collingwood. so we are in a position of strength in negotiating for him. richmond need to offload more than just holland to fit in brown and solomon so i think basically everyone at richmond is a potential trade, but richo is the only one we want. they wont trade ottens i dont think
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Not tough luck at all, because Solomon needs to agree to the deal.
If Essendon took that approach, Solomon would, and rightfully so, tell you to stick it and nominate for the pre-season draft.
The Essendon hierarchy aren't silly enough to adopt such a suggestion.
But then he takes the risk of being drafted althogether somewhere he doesn't wanna go, but if he is drafted his hand is forced.
I say call the punk on his bluff.
Originally posted by dover56
i would love to trade and get richo from the tiges, as long as they paid some of his contract (maybe give us the cash we pay for blumfield back). he is a gun, even if his onfield demeanour is sometimes poor. would be an awesome ruckmen come chf. what people are saying about solomon being able to nominate for the draft is tru, but the doggies and the blues both have space to move under the cap, so even if he demands 400k a year they will pick him up and he wont be able to go to tiges/collingwood. so we are in a position of strength in negotiating for him. richmond need to offload more than just holland to fit in brown and solomon so i think basically everyone at richmond is a potential trade, but richo is the only one we want. they wont trade ottens i dont think
with all due respect you should be taken out the back and flogged for that. Richo is a major dud.
Originally posted by Tinker
with all due respect you should be taken out the back and flogged for that. Richo is a major dud.
We could rotate him and Henneman through the dud ruckman position.:D
dover56
10 Oct 2003, 12:24
Originally posted by dj21
We could rotate him and Henneman through the dud ruckman position.:D
i rate richo. i think hed be awesome at the dons. agree about henneman though. i think id prefer judd the dud than henneman!
Fall Out Boy
10 Oct 2003, 13:24
Originally posted by Tinker
I say call the punk on his bluff.
Did you think he was a punk 2 months ago?
Originally posted by dj21
We could rotate him and Henneman through the dud ruckman position.:D
Not fair on Henneman though, I dont think we recruited him as a ruckman....my impression was he was a backman. Am I wrong?
Dont rate Richo at all....never have, never will. Absolutely no heart and less talent.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Not tough luck at all, because Solomon needs to agree to the deal.
If Essendon took that approach, Solomon would, and rightfully so, tell you to stick it and nominate for the pre-season draft.
Surely though, say Richmond had traded their first 4 picks, and we all know their list is dog ****, we can give him to somebody else?
Pornstar
10 Oct 2003, 15:13
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Did you think he was a punk 2 months ago? Did you think Colbert was a tool 2 months before he left your club?
Spare us the high and mighty cr@p fella.
Originally posted by Pornstar
Did you think Colbert was a tool 2 months before he left your club?
Spare us the high and mighty cr@p fella.
Exactly.
Sorry if I think a player is over-rating himself and leaving a club that has brought him much for the lure of the dollar after he was paid in 2002 to do sweet F-A other than hang around London with his missus.
Solomon is a good player but not so good that he's worth $400K and turns his back on a club that looked after him when he was in a very bad way physically and emotionally.
Still if Richmond want to pay him and Brown about twice what they're worth let em......all I can say is I have seen 4 Essendon premierships since Richmond's last and there's no sign of THAT statistic changing any time soon.
bacon buster
10 Oct 2003, 17:29
i can't believe how much people are overrating draft picks. solomon would be nearly worth pick 6 on his own. he is certainly worth a top 10 pick anyway.
Originally posted by bacon buster
i can't believe how much people are overrating draft picks. solomon would be nearly worth pick 6 on his own. he is certainly worth a top 10 pick anyway.
The problem with picks is their risk factor. But that's a minor consideration when you look at the overall possible outcomes.
Realistically, not all top ten picks becomes guns, and not all guns are/were top ten picks.
The problem with trading Solomon for a player is that while we could get a good player for him, it will put us under extra salary cap pressure.
I've thought about it a little, and while I would still prefer first round draft picks, we do have a balanced list. So even if we don't have any first round picks, it may not be a big loss. The point: Aggressively trading for a Stevens or a Brown could be a good idea.
Originally posted by bacon buster
i can't believe how much people are overrating draft picks. solomon would be nearly worth pick 6 on his own. he is certainly worth a top 10 pick anyway.
He's not worth pick 6. I've always maintained he is overrated. Ask anyone on this board about my feelings on him. He's a good player and, but really he's just an honest footballer. Hard at the ball, but has always lacked the finesse to be a top-line player. Likes the crash and bang, but doesn't have the silky skills.
I rate him as an inferior Glen Archer.
If Richmond think he is worth $400,000 we could win big time out of this deal.
Originally posted by Dan26
He's not worth pick 6. I've always maintained he is overrated. Ask anyone on this board about my feelings on him. He's a good player and, but really he's just an honest footballer. Hard at the ball, but has always lacked the finesse to be a top-line player. Likes the crash and bang, but doesn't have the silky skills.
I rate him as an inferior Glen Archer.
If Richmond think he is worth $400,000 we could win big time out of this deal.
I think the reason why Richmond value him so highly is because they don't have anyone who is intimidating, physically or otherwise.
Originally posted by Stevo
I think the reason why Richmond value him so highly is because they don't have anyone who is intimidating, physically or otherwise.
You don't pay $400,000 for physical intimidation. You pay maybe 200, or a bit more. You pay $400,000 for a genuine star, and you pay $500K plus for plyers with both - Voss for instance.
Originally posted by Dan26
You don't pay $400,000 for physical intimidation. You pay maybe 200, or a bit more. You pay $400,000 for a genuine star, and you pay $500K plus for plyers with both - Voss for instance.
Agreed. But this is Richmond.
Cupestar
10 Oct 2003, 19:59
Paying $400k for Solly? It's their funeral. I respect Peter Jackson and the football department for not caving in. No matter how good he is, he's a half back flanker, and you don't pay $400k for someone to play there.
Stegelator
10 Oct 2003, 20:05
Solomon to Richmond
Bowden + Richmonds 2nd round draft pick to port
Stevens to Essendon
Essendon's 3rd round draft pick to Port adelaide
windyhill
11 Oct 2003, 09:05
Originally posted by windyhill
solomon for ottens ? One dodgy knee for one dodgy back ?. collingwood have pulled themselves silly over solomon when his contract has come up in the past, but what could they possibly offer ? He`d be a good fit at collingwood, they need defenders with a bit of heart , who run straight at it, same goes for richmond, i mean look at their soft excuse for a captain . These clubs will give us little in the way of players, so i would want draft picks.
collingwood, as per usual, they have a continual fascination with Solly.
Originally posted by Stegelator
Solomon to Richmond
Bowden + Richmonds 2nd round draft pick to port
Stevens to Essendon
Essendon's 3rd round draft pick to Port adelaide
Nope, Port get seriously screwed in that deal.
Cupestar
11 Oct 2003, 14:00
Pick 5 for Solly from the Demons. I'll be happy with that. Pick 5 could snare us a good kid, or Stevens if we get a good deal with Port
WoeyFanclub
11 Oct 2003, 14:12
how about u could have either, leon davis, brodie holland, shane obree, richard cole, tarkyn lockyer, mark mcgough, heath scottland, or ryan lonie would u take a combo of 1 or 2 of these players and a pick
I think we'd take Lockyer and pick #17.
bacon buster
11 Oct 2003, 14:58
to all those people bagging solly, have you considered that he might stay?
it's a remote possibility at this stage, but i don't want to say anything i might regret later until i know for certain that he's gone.
Darealrath
11 Oct 2003, 16:17
Originally posted by bacon buster
to all those people bagging solly, have you considered that he might stay?
it's a remote possibility at this stage, but i don't want to say anything i might regret later until i know for certain that he's gone.
I'm all for pre-emptive strikes. Plus he did 'officialy' quit.
to all those people bagging solly, have you considered that he might stay?
it's a remote possibility at this stage, but i don't want to say anything i might regret later until i know for certain that he's gone.
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Yeah right...he walked out on the club..if he comes back ill give him more **** for backing down on his word
hird is a champ
12 Oct 2003, 10:00
Originally posted by WoeyFanclub
how about u could have either, leon davis, brodie holland, shane obree, richard cole, tarkyn lockyer, mark mcgough, heath scottland, or ryan lonie would u take a combo of 1 or 2 of these players and a pick
I would take heath scotland and one of ur draft picks
Originally posted by sante2003
ben holland 4 solomon and maybe pick 21 or 37
sorry i am just quoting my 1st post!!