To Dan24

[Mk90]

Morgan Research Football Poll Figures:

Victorian supporter base figures:
Collingwood 477,000
Essendon 475,000

These figures are from supporters from the age 14+.
This Morgan Research Poll is accurate to within 2%.
Supporters under the age of 14 were not included. (WHY!)

[CJ]

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!

Mk90, I don't surpose you have any stats for supporters in Tassie do you?

[SS11]

good one mk90
figures dont lie
the truth comes out at last.....

ITS WHAT WEVE KNOWN ALL ALONG, COLLINGWOOD are NO.1...

WE ARE THE GREATEST....

[WCE2000]

The problem there is Victorian Fan-base, what about Australian Fan-base.

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[magpie_joffa]

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[sandie]

WCE2000
They won't want to discuss that, because a similiar pole showed the Bombers had in excess of 800,000 supporters Australia wide, more than any other club.

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Mantis

[Mk90]

Essendon has the most supporters Australia wide out of the Victorian based clubs.

Essendon 715,000
Collingwood 673,000
Carlton 622,000
Richmond 400,000
Geelong 380,000
Hawthorn 352,000
St.kilda 309,000
Kangaroos 307,000
Bulldogs 232,000
Melbourne 209,000

Essendon has the most supporters in the metropolitan area of Melboune. Collingwood has the most supporters outside of the metropolitan area in Victoria. Carlton easily has the most interstate supporters. (Quite phenomenal how many fans they have in South Australia and Tasmania). Kangaroos have more supporters than you all think. This club also has huge support in Tasmania for some reason.


Remember the above figures are for the ages 14+.

[CJ]

Sandie,

I read somewhere that the Bombers had over a million nation wide!!

[CJ]

Mind you, I think it is/was a load of horse shit!!

[This message has been edited by CJ (edited 10 October 2000).]

[Mk90]

That same poll that showed Essendon to have 1 million supporters also showed Carlton and Collingwood to have over 900,000 fans Australia wide. These figures are absolutely incorrect. Roy Morgan and the AFL's own figures are correct to within a few thousand.

[CJ]

Just like I said, It was a load of horse shit!

[magpie_joffa]

hey cj
i just loved them 2 replies of yours

mk90 you are a thucken legend
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from
joffa

[sandie]

Sorry people but the poll showed just over 800,000 supporters, see I'm not getting carried away.

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[AlfAndrews]

Well it's probably a million (Essendon fans, that is) if you count the Under 14s.

Essendon has a huge following among kids.

An excellent case for retrospective abortion if you ask me.



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[sandie]

Alf
I bet your Mum wished she had of learnt to swallow before condoms were invented.

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[sabre_ac]

Comon
Alf Sandie

Time to bring this out of the Gutter its getting beyond a joke

Stick to the topic

[Pessimistic]

You are all being selective.

Sydney was the top of that poll by far and averages over 40,000 at games in melbourne - if they play at homebush then we might see how colossal they are. They could come back to melbourne and still be more popular than a few teams here.

I guess they were the first team to be 'shafted' by the AFL

[Shed]

The same poll says Carlton supporters and Essendon supporters are the most likely to be involved in car accidents.

[Arch]

what about someone who posted a similar "i saw a morgan research poll, which is totally accurate and cant be questioned...blah blah blah" which said the swans were the most popular team.

Theyre all crap.

Judge it by attendances, memberships, merchandise sold etc etc.

A.

PS- Alf, retrospective abortion, thats gutter stuff, especially after you jumping up and down about the Milane joke.

[Bloodstained Angel]

Thank you Pessimistic

yes - the Swans won that one convincingly

and thank-you Arch

all polls are bullshit anyway.

cheers

[TigerTank]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel:


all polls are bullshit anyway.

cheers

Maybe we should have a poll on that.

[Pessimistic]

Actually Morgan Polls is just about the best one going.
Next time thre's an election - ignore the newaspapers as they have thier 'pet' plls which are run by them. Morgan is independent and not often quoted during elections - but they have got the last few right (Including the one which Jeff lost)

[Dan26]

According to the Herald-sun poll this year, Essendon have nearly 20% of the support of Victoria, whle the Pies have 14%. I know the Herald-Sun poll isn't totally accurate, but that is a SIGNIFICANT difference.

But the best way is to look at crowds. I can hear all the Collingwood people saying "not fair", because they havn't been travelling well, so it's unfair to compare the might of Essendon with Collingwood.

So, I will compare crowds when Collingwood has been doing WELL. Let's look at early 1998. Collingwood got off to a flyer as usual. They met the Swans on a Friday night, and the Pies were 4-2. Sydney were 5-1. It was match of the round. The game was at the MCG on a Friday night.

The crowd was 57,000. Good crowd.

In Round 11 that year, Essendon also met the Swans on a Friday night at the MCG. Same opponent, same circumstances, same night (Friday). Essendon weren't travelling quite as well as Collingwood were 4 weeks earlier. In fact, Essendon was 5-5 going into the match. Sydney were 7-3 but had suffered a 100 point loss to St.Kilda the week before.

So, the match, wasn't quite as big as the top of the table Pies-Swans cash 4 weeks earlier. Despite this, Essendon vs Sydney drew nearly 63,000.....6,000 more than what Collingwood drew against the same opponent (Sydney) on the same night (Friday), and the Pies were near the top of the ladder at the time !!!

So, 'top of the ladder' Collingwood vs 'top of the ladder' Sydney on a Friday night gets 57,000. Yet, 'middle of the ladder' Essendon vs 'top of the ladder' Sydney (coming off a 100 point loss) gets 63,000

I've noticed that Essendon always seem to get about 5,000 more per game than Collingwood when the circumstances are the same. Eg, a big Essendon match against a particular opponent on a certain day (eg a Sunday), will get about 5,000 more than a big Collingwood match agaisnt the same opponent on the same day, IF Collingwood and Essendon are travelling at the same win-loss record.

Membership numbers, attendance at games (not just 1999-2000, but 1995-96-97-98) show that Essendon had the most supporters. You can see it by observation. All the kids want to barrack for Essendon. Essendon conducted their own poll back in 1993, which showed we have more support than the Pies.

Since then we have won 2 premierships. Imagine what it is like now !! I just let the crowd figures and statistics speak for themselves. It should be clear to everyone, really. Essendon is the most heavily supported club in Victoria, even from the ages of 14+

When you add the 14+, it's not even close any more. Essendon has so many more younger supporters than the Pies, as well as a heap of older ones too, that the gap is significant....... and it is getting wider.

[Grendel]

I did polling for Morgans for a few years when i was a student, it could be real fun sometimes and the thing is you really do get a great cross section of people.

They take a very exstensive cross reference of most of the city and then sub divide by trying to get your first point of call men (as they are normally harder to get at home than women) and move along from there to age groups, single, married etc.

Id say a Morgan poll is normally pretty definitive of the state of things. Much more so than most polls anyway.

[Drakey]

You just have to be the most popular boys on the block, dont you Dan.

And thanks for telling us the best way to judge how many supporters teams have.

[Port Adelaide 1870]

What does it all mean ?

Popularity........

[dees01]

They never ask me. I think the only way you can tell is through membership numbers and crowd figures.

[walshy1993]

there is a huge difference in people who say they are supporters and people who support financially be buying memberships and merchandise
essendons merchandise figures were up by something like 400,000 this year and that was before the grand final
they are also the clearest highest memberships sales in victoria

there are a heap of collingwood supporters that i know that are only supporters when they are winning,and dont by memberships

[dons_r_tops]

so if I hold 2 memberships one full and one country (which i do) does that mean i gets counted twice of because i have never been polled for anything (except the pepsi challenge, where i correctly picked coke) do i get counted at all? ALL A POLL Shows is the percentage of those polled who like one thing or another and football crosses over the usuall boundarys of age, sex, religion, sexuallity etc. so what do a morgan poll prove ...... virtually nothing. Its not political

[sainter]

Dan,

Can you please stop stuffing that Herald-Sun survey (not poll) down our throats to point out Essendon's 'massive' support?

Yes, it pointed out that of the people who took the trouble to fill in the survey and send into the HWT offices, your team had 20% of support from Victorian's.

But does that mean 20% of Victorian football supporters barrack for Essendon? Of course not.

From a perspective of someone whose team struggled this year, I know my immediate reaction was not to bother to reply. Conversely, if my team was unbeaten and on top of the ladder, I would have loved the opportunity to respond to the survey and would have filled it in and sent it off immediately.

Perhaps Collingwood supporters in this instance did not bother returning the survey either.

And it has already been mentioned that polls are basically crap anyway, for a number of reasons:-

- Do these polls measure how much of a supporter the people actually are? I mean, what is to say that a proportion of the interviewees were not actually football supporters but were just prompted to name a team they liked anyway.

- People love to support winners. It is amazing how many people I have known for many years informed me this year that they had always barracked for Essendon, or Melbourne.

Anyway, I read in another post that supporters from my club are frontrunners. That is one of the funniest things I have heard for a long time. The words "St Kilda" and "Frontrunners" do not together Dan. Like StrenthThroughLoyalty said in another post, we are a club rich in history but crave success. Surely a frontrunner would choose a successful team, wouldn't they?

[Drakey]

Don't forget Sainter. Essendon have the most supporters because Dan always "notices" they get bigger crowds.

[Dan26]

Sainter,

I was just trying to prove we have the most, that's all. And we do

As for that particular Herald-Su survey, I don't believe the merits of your team in 2000 would have affected a supporters "want" to send the survey back.

Despite, some team having poor years, the traditional 4 power teams (Essendon, Collingwood, Richmond and Carlton) were still the top 4 supported clubs.

Ironically, Melbourne who had a very good 2000, were the least supported. Fugure that out ?

That annual survey has always been a pretty reasonable assessment (not 100% but it gives you an idea) of support, regardless of how a team is travelling.

[Shinboners]

I can't believe I'm about to defend Collingwood here, but Dan24, why have you given (on previous threads) St. Kilda and Richmond the benefit of the doubt by saying that they have a massive latent following and yet you don't allow the same for Collingwood?

[Dan26]

Shinboners,

Yes, obviously Collingwood have massive support too. Latent support that is. They have huge potential, if they ever get it going.

I do admire Collingwood supporters believe it or not. Very loyal, even though they are blinkered to everything that is not black and white

[Shinboners]

Fair enough Dan24.

[Dan26]

Thanks SB