View Full Version : Other questionable trade rumours I've heard
spindoctor
11 Oct 2003, 22:49
Nick Stevens to Collingwood, Port want Didak and one other player (quick half-back preferably)
Nathan Bassett to Western Bulldogs to join his brother, Nathan Brown to Richmond and Ottens to Adelaide in a three-way swap with draft picks
Misiti to Carlton in a deal involving Matt Allan going to Essendon
Croad back to a Victorian club for a second round draft pick
Jon Hay to Adelaide for first or second round draft pick and a player (?)
I keep hearing Bass may go to the Bulldogs and if the deal you have mentioned goes through I'd be happy.
I havent heard Jon Hay to the Crows, but if it happened, that should solve our full back problems.
Stiffy_18
11 Oct 2003, 23:23
Those deals are as realistic as fake t|ts:p
Honestly, if we trade Bassett who the hell would be our FB????? You canno expect a kid to come in and play good footy week in week out. Unless we play Biglands as a FB. Besides it will take a hel of a lot more than Bassett to get Ottens.
Hawks will not trade Hay. They just lost rawlings and if Hay goes they have no KPPs.
spindoctor
11 Oct 2003, 23:49
Stiffy: notice I said 'including draft picks'! Always check the whole statement, I'm not suggesting Bassett would get Ottens.
But the reason this deal is mooted is because we may not have CHOICE to trade Bassett. The falling out with Ayres is apparently quite intense, they showed footage of the incident on the Fox Footy Channel, apparently after the blow-up at the assistant coach Ayres shoved Bassett in the shoulder and Bassett drew back his fist and near on decked him.
It may be that Bassett wants out and does want to go play with his brother.
Can't say I'd be overly sorry to see him go, he is a hella whinger, always has a big tantrum if he's getting a few goals kicked on him and is not big enough or strong enough to really hold down full-back against the bigger forwards. He seemed good at the start of 2002 but has faded and faded since then.
More of a chance for Parker to prove himself.
Stiffy_18
11 Oct 2003, 23:57
Originally posted by spindoctor
Stiffy: notice I said 'including draft picks'! Always check the whole statement, I'm not suggesting Bassett would get Ottens.
But the reason this deal is mooted is because we may not have CHOICE to trade Bassett. The falling out with Ayres is apparently quite intense, they showed footage of the incident on the Fox Footy Channel, apparently after the blow-up at the assistant coach Ayres shoved Bassett in the shoulder and Bassett drew back his fist and near on decked him.
It may be that Bassett wants out and does want to go play with his brother.
Can't say I'd be overly sorry to see him go, he is a hella whinger, always has a big tantrum if he's getting a few goals kicked on him and is not big enough or strong enough to really hold down full-back against the bigger forwards. He seemed good at the start of 2002 but has faded and faded since then.
More of a chance for Parker to prove himself. Doesn't matter even if we threw in our pick 14 with Bassett, it would still not be enough to get Ottens.
If we trade Bassett, we better get a bloody good FB. He is one of the most underrated players in the league.
spindoctor
12 Oct 2003, 00:21
Originally posted by spindoctor
Can't say I'd be overly sorry to see him go, he is a hella whinger, always has a big tantrum if he's getting a few goals kicked on him and is not big enough or strong enough to really hold down full-back against the bigger forwards. He seemed good at the start of 2002 but has faded and faded since then.
More of a chance for Parker to prove himself.
To quote myself in response to your opinion of Bassett!
Stiffy_18
12 Oct 2003, 00:25
Originally posted by spindoctor
To quote myself in response to your opinion of Bassett! Whether you like him or not makes no difference. The fact is he is by far our best FB and does his job very well 90% of the time.
I think he is harshly treated by our fan. He is not a star but he will never let you down. Even if he is getting spanked he never stops trying.
macca23
12 Oct 2003, 00:31
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Those deals are as realistic as fake t|ts:p
Honestly, if we trade Bassett who the hell would be our FB????? You canno expect a kid to come in and play good footy week in week out. Unless we play Biglands as a FB. Besides it will take a hel of a lot more than Bassett to get Ottens.
Hawks will not trade Hay. They just lost rawlings and if Hay goes they have no KPPs.
Nothing wrong with fake t|ts, Stiffy - they still look bloody good!!! :p
Back to the topic. :D
The club has constantly denied the friction between Bassett and Ayres, but it would appear they are the only ones that still want to believe that never happened. There would have to be some chance that Bassett, as a professional dummy-spitter, might spit the dummy completely and want to be traded.
The good thing about Bassett being a professional dummy-spitter is that if that were the case, I would have thought that it would have been very public by now.
On the off-chance that it does happen, we would be caught short at FB, wouldn't we. Parker would have to step into the spot and would hopefully step up.
spindoctor
12 Oct 2003, 00:42
I somewhat voyeuristically want to see that happen. I really want to see Parker debuted at full-back, this bloke was providing huge run from the backlines for South, picking up 20 to 30 possessions as a FULL-BACK! And schooling his opponents along the way...
I want to see him perform at elite level, hopefully...could be the gun FB we've been looking for.
Originally posted by spindoctor
I somewhat voyeuristically want to see that happen. I really want to see Parker debuted at full-back, this bloke was providing huge run from the backlines for South, picking up 20 to 30 possessions as a FULL-BACK! And schooling his opponents along the way...
I want to see him perform at elite level, hopefully...could be the gun FB we've been looking for.
As i have said in previous posts i have never seen Parker play so i have to rely on our other well-informed Crowites for guidance,
"But" if Parker had been that good in the sanfl then why was he not put on the list instead of Skipworth when the opportunity arose for the AFC to do so??? especially when we was crying out for kpp.
Stiffy_18
12 Oct 2003, 16:31
Originally posted by noddy
As i have said in previous posts i have never seen Parker play so i have to rely on our other well-informed Crowites for guidance,
"But" if Parker had been that good in the sanfl then why was he not put on the list instead of Skipworth when the opportunity arose for the AFC to do so??? especially when we was crying out for kpp. IMHO, the reason Parker was not promoted mid season was because his 1st half of the season was a bit ordinary where as Skippy was more consistent. In the 2nd half of the year Parker has been fantastic.
In time I think he would be the FB we want, however, I am not keen of throwing him straight to the wolves and get him to hold KP. I would rather see him brought in as a back pocket or half back flanker, more like a 3rd tall than a KP. This would hopefully free up Smart as a running defender.
If we trade Bassett we better get someone thats better than him. Mal Michael would do me just fine:D
Stiffy_18
12 Oct 2003, 16:34
Originally posted by macca23
Nothing wrong with fake t|ts, Stiffy - they still look bloody good!!! :p They do look good but they don't feel as good:p
Back to the topic:)
As you said, knowing the sort of character that Bassett is, if there was a major rift between him and coaches then it would have been made public by now. Bass is the sort of bloke that speaks his mind out.
I think there is more hoo haa to that incident than its worth mentioning. I don't think it is a BIG issue.
In an environment like a football club, the chances of everyone getting along well are VERY slim;)
Stiffy_18
12 Oct 2003, 16:39
I might as well drop a rumour in this thread;)
James Gallagher to Cartlton
Barnaby bloody French to Adelaide.
Don't even ask how this helps:)
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I might as well drop a rumour in this thread;)
James Gallagher to Cartlton
Barnaby bloody French to Adelaide.
Don't even ask how this helps:)
How does this help us?
Who will pick up French's contract - us or them?
Other than Angwin, Blues would have no other ruckmen unless they trade really well, but would gain a running midfielder.
I cant say I'm really thrilled with the idea of French at AFC.
I would like us to get ruckman/KPP's no question about that but I would rather a complete rookie or a proven youngster (Charman, Ottens) than a proven second stringer.
maccas_no1
12 Oct 2003, 18:55
Im not happy about French @ the AFC, we can do alot better than that:mad:
Ottens and Hay now that is good value;)
It all starts tomorrow, we had better get it right;)
ibleedyello&blk
12 Oct 2003, 19:02
do you really think that Richmond will let go of Ottens?
Originally posted by ibleedyello&blk
do you really think that Richmond will let go of Ottens? Someone is going to have to make way for all the other mercenaries.
Originally posted by ibleedyello&blk
do you really think that Richmond will let go of Ottens?
Maybe not this year, although I would love to be proven wrong and see him at AFC in 2004.
However, if the deals for Solly and Brown go ahead, you may find yourself under some cap pressure. He may want more $$ when his contract comes up and if you cant provide it, you may loose him.
We've already retired Bickley. If Clarke, Smart and Carey retire next year we would have some room in the cap to lure a big name player back home.
ibleedyello&blk
12 Oct 2003, 19:11
Originally posted by DaveW
Someone is going to have to make way for all the other mercenaries.
- Biddiscombe was grossly overpaid and has been cut (i heard he was paid in excess of 200,000 a year, but not sure how true this is)
- D Kellaway to the vets list
- Not paying any of Bourke's or Daffy's salaries anymore
- Holland to be most probably trade to the Dees
- Leon Cameron retiring
All this should give us the room we need
grinspoon
12 Oct 2003, 19:13
haha didak for stevens... that like when the bulldogs tried to trade us scott west for a 20 year old chris tarrant. stevens is good, but he isnt in the top 10 midfielders in the league IMO. didak only just signed this year anyway, meaning you cant trade him. hopefully we pass on stevens and go for brown, solomon or a lion.
ibleedyello&blk
12 Oct 2003, 19:15
Originally posted by Jerome
However, if the deals for Solly and Brown go ahead, you may find yourself under some cap pressure. He may want more $$ when his contract comes up and if you cant provide it, you may loose him.
Richo goes onto the vet list in 2005. Should give us enough to work with for both Coughlan and Ottens
macca23
12 Oct 2003, 20:02
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I might as well drop a rumour in this thread;)
James Gallagher to Cartlton
Barnaby bloody French to Adelaide.
Don't even ask how this helps:)
I'm not really sure what that would solve. French is not as good as the ruckmen we already have.
Mind you, Gallagher is of almost zero value to us.
I think all that would do is put pressure on the salary cap without any improvement in the list.
I thought we already traded a Gallagher to Carlton to get a dud from Sturt in return. :o
Stiffy_18
12 Oct 2003, 20:14
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If we trade Bassett we better get someone thats better than him. Mal Michael would do me just fine:D This might not seem as far fetched as a couple of weeks ago. According to The Age (http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/11/1065676216064.html), Mal Michael might be the odd one out in Brisbane. If there is any truth to this rumour, I would be throwing anything, including kitchen sink at Michael. If we can get Michael I would be stoked. IMHO, he is the best FB in the comp.
Would be a perfect fit. Even Gary Ayres in todays Sunday Mail said we need a FB like Michael, Prestigiacomo and the Wakelin brothers, rather than someone like Ben Holland.
Love to get Mal, but he is a QLDer and may not want to leave home again now that he has settled back in. I'd be amazed if he left - who have they got to replace him? If he did go, you'd hope they would send him to a good club like ours after the service he has put in up there.
Another Brisbane player that may be worth looking at is ruckman Dylan McLaren. Would the AFC be interested in him?
Kane McGoodwin
12 Oct 2003, 22:47
Originally posted by Jerome
Love to get Mal, but he is a QLDer and may not want to leave home again now that he has settled back in. I'd be amazed if he left - who have they got to replace him? If he did go, you'd hope they would send him to a good club like ours after the service he has put in up there.
Another Brisbane player that may be worth looking at is ruckman Dylan McLaren. Would the AFC be interested in him?
Good post Jerome.
Michael was keen to return to Qld as part of the Molloy trade, so he would have to be seriously under-valued to consider moving.
Also, McLaren may be worth considering if he came cheap, as he would give us a backup option to Biglands/Clarke whilst we develop a young draftee.
Stiffy_18
12 Oct 2003, 22:53
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Good post Jerome.
Michael was keen to return to Qld as part of the Molloy trade, so he would have to be seriously under-valued to consider moving.
Also, McLaren may be worth considering if he came cheap, as he would give us a backup option to Biglands/Clarke whilst we develop a young draftee. McLaren is only 194 cm. Why would we want an undersized ruckman??????:confused:
If Brisbane do decide to let michael go as is suggested in the article then he can't exactly stay in QLD.
Kane McGoodwin
12 Oct 2003, 22:56
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
McLaren is only 194 cm. Why would we want an undersized ruckman??????:confused:
Surely you know my answer by now Stiffy - anything to get rid of Marsh. :p BTW, he look taller than 194cm to me.
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If Brisbane do decide to let michael go as is suggested in the article then he can't exactly stay in QLD.
True. All I was saying is that IMO, he would agree to slightly less money to stay in Brisbane. If there is a significant difference, he would consider his options.
Stiffy_18
12 Oct 2003, 23:05
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Surely you know my answer by now Stiffy - anything to get rid of Marsh. :p BTW, he look taller than 194cm to me.
LOL, even Barnaby French????:p afl.com has him at 194 cm
True. All I was saying is that IMO, he would agree to slightly less money to stay in Brisbane. If there is a significant difference, he would consider his options. Possibly BUT surely we MUST have a crack at him. Just imagine how much stronger our team would be with him. He is exactly what the doctor ordered;)
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
McLaren is only 194 cm. Why would we want an undersized ruckman??????:confused:
AFL Record states that he is 196, perhaps a couple of cms shorter than what we would like. 196 is still not too bad, should be able to hold down a key possie.
maccas_no1
13 Oct 2003, 11:40
So what will it cost us to get this Mclaren Lad????? If we can lets go for it develope him into a GOOD ruckman???Has he played at AFL level????? How old is he????
194cms isnt too bad ;)
I think if we have to off load a big name to get Ottens then have a crack at him too, Mal Michael could be worth a crack at too, I say part with a few big names and get players that are going to benefit our side, we shoudl just keep players on who they are, get rid of them while their value is up;)
Russian
13 Oct 2003, 16:01
Originally posted by maccas_no1
So what will it cost us to get this Mclaren Lad????? If we can lets go for it develope him into a GOOD ruckman???Has he played at AFL level????? How old is he????
194cms isnt too bad ;)
I think if we have to off load a big name to get Ottens then have a crack at him too, Mal Michael could be worth a crack at too, I say part with a few big names and get players that are going to benefit our side, we shoudl just keep players on who they are, get rid of them while their value is up;)
Bassett maybe? Played 6 games in 2001-2, 22 in May, 196cm, 91kg. Anyone who plays for Brisbane has a good body.
As for Ottens, would need Goodwin & Bassett
Michael would need a top 6 draft pick, Maybe Bassett/Perrie & first round pick
Crow-mosone
13 Oct 2003, 21:01
Originally posted by grinspoon
haha didak for stevens... that like when the bulldogs tried to trade us scott west for a 20 year old chris tarrant. stevens is good, but he isnt in the top 10 midfielders in the league IMO. didak only just signed this year anyway, meaning you cant trade him. hopefully we pass on stevens and go for brown, solomon or a lion.
For Collingwood to get him, it will be Didak and their first round.
I think this will be what happens.
don't forget carlton are in the mix, and they could lever him off in the pre-season draft or lay down a dodgy trade on that threat ala Luke McPharlin a couple of years ago.
you can trade resigned players at the moment, that rule isn't in yet.
Crow-mosone
13 Oct 2003, 21:04
Originally posted by Russian
[BMichael would need a top 6 draft pick, Maybe Bassett/Perrie & first round pick [/B]
that's precisely what I think it would take one of those boys and a draft pick. Brisbane can't take back salary really, so they need a job done and some youth. Basset or perrie could do a job cheap (er) and a draft pick which costs them stuff all on the cap.
but why would Michael want to come here or Perrie go to queensland? trading players to a 3rd state i.e. not where they are, or their home state seems a fraught prospect.
Russian
14 Oct 2003, 13:03
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
but why would Michael want to come here
Michael is originally from Morningside (Qld) then Collingwood so really if he came here its not a 'third state'.
Kane McGoodwin
14 Oct 2003, 14:14
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
that's precisely what I think it would take one of those boys and a draft pick. Brisbane can't take back salary really, so they need a job done and some youth. Basset or perrie could do a job cheap (er) and a draft pick which costs them stuff all on the cap.
but why would Michael want to come here or Perrie go to queensland? trading players to a 3rd state i.e. not where they are, or their home state seems a fraught prospect.
Can't see Brisbane being interested in Perrie when they have Lynch, Brown, Bradshaw & even Leppitsch who can play up forward. However, if the cap is the main issue for losing Michael (if it eventuates), then someone like Bassett may be a reasonable cheaper solution (as Leppa can still play on the bigger players).