View Full Version : If we had to trade one of them . . .
Which one would it be?
M.Michael
L.Power
D.Bradshaw
N.Lappin
All of these players have been significant contributors to the 2003 Premiership side, as well as in previous seasons.
Personally, out of that list, I reckon D.Bradshaw would be the player who I part with the 'easiest', mainly because he's not the first choice for any particular position in a side of such quality.
I also think that D.Bradshaw will be highly sought after by opposition clubs looking for an experienced, talented and physically developed key position player who can play at either end of the ground. Considering his form in the second half of the year, and the high demand for such a player, I reckon we could get a top-10 pick in exchange for him (which is a good result, IMO).
M.Michael, for mine, is too good a player to pass up. He is one of our most consistent performers, who can be relied upon to be the best person to pick for his position every week. I doubt that we could get a return in a trade which would suitably compensate us for losing M.Michael.
It would be a tough choice to pick between either N.Lappin or L.Power, although, we've probably got the midfield depth to cover either of these players if we really had to let one go. I'd probably favour keeping Power ahead of Lappin, if it came to the crunch, based on the fact that L.Power is younger and has better recent form than N.Lappin, and could still improve further as well.
With all of this said though, I'm hoping that the club can accomodate keeping all of these players, whilst trading off others who are only fringe players at this point in time. As far as I'm concerned, the likes of T.Notting, B.McDonald, D.McLaren and S.Morrison are all expendible, if it means keeping the four players mentioned above. Likewise, if we can get some reasonable draft picks in exchange for these latter four, there is every chance that we can aim for some young replacements to assist those whom we already have on the list (ie: R.Hadley, A.Shattock, D.Merrett, J.Gram, L.Weller, etc.).
I have a feeling though, that one of the first four players mentioned might end up being traded or going into the draft.
i agree bradshaw would have to be it . we couldnt get rid of the midfielders or michael whenyou look at it our success came when we strenghened up the backline with michael and pike so it wouls be stupid to weaken it again . bur it cuts me to have to loose bradshaw it would suck. hopefully the fringe players you mention can be traded to ease the pressure on the others
Lions43
12 Oct 2003, 14:50
Frankly, Bradshaw would be the last one I'd trade - or a close 2nd last to Power.
No way do I want to lose any of them, but if we have to lose one, then I would reluctantly pick Nige. Midfielders are easier to replace than key position players and there are very few players in the comp that have proven they can do the job as a key forward and a key back as Braddy has done this year.
You've also got to look at their age and salary. Braddy is 5 years younger than Nige and he would be on, conservatively 100k a year less Nige.
Lappin is a hero of the Brisbane Lions and I don't want to lose him, but on a pure business basis removing all emotion (as the club must do) I would have to pick Nige as the man to go out of the 4 nominated. :(
Putting yourself in Kinnear Beatson's shoes tells me...I'd be considering what we get in return. (This is all hypothetical)
...and we need Draft picks, not established players with any size contracts as baggage. (which is why that post about Richardson from the Tigers is such garbage)
While Melbourne are putting up Draft pick #5 and are in desperate need of a defender...Mal Micheal becomes the best choice.
The Bulldogs have got a couple of picks and the negotiation weight of Nathan Brown leaving, so that opens up Luke Power to the Bulldogs which I'd rather not see....we gain nothing as we're losing a young player.
A more probable player looming for trade is Lappin who at 28yrs old now(?) is at his peak but with only a future of 3-4yrs or less.....so who wants an established midfielder? Richmond do...so whether he goes straight there or via some 3 way deal? or he simply ends up at either Bulldogs or Geelong for draft picks in return.
rchowell
13 Oct 2003, 09:29
I would trade Lappin. This really is the lesser of four evils cos naturally enough we don't want to see anybody go. But Michael has become one of the premier full backs in the competition, Bradshaw has become a most valuable key forward/defender and is quick across the ground as well, while Power is still pretty young with a lot of football left in him. Lappin on the other hand is 27 or something, and with Voss, Black and Akermanis in the midfield with Power waiting in the wings, I think Nige is probably the one to trade. His long kicking and his football brain will be a big loss though. Here's hoping they all stay.
scooter600x
13 Oct 2003, 20:35
Originally posted by Stocka
Personally, out of that list, I reckon D.Bradshaw would be the player who I part with the 'easiest', mainly because he's not the first choice for any particular position in a side of such quality.
Mainly because he's nowhere near as good as the others.
Unfortunatley for you guys, Bradshaw also wont free up enough cap. Take Bradshaw out of the poll and it would be way more interesting.
For mine, you should trade Lappin, only because he's 4 years older than Power.
If you were to trade Michael, God help you if Leppitch gets injured.
SpecialBruce
13 Oct 2003, 21:02
Originally posted by scooter600x
If you were to trade Michael, God help you if Leppitch gets injured.
If we were to trade Michael, the club would have been high on drugs at the time and whoever traded him should be sacked.
If we lose Michael this week, we won't get anywhere near a flag for the next 2 years minimum. We can say good-bye to the flag next year because it won't happen with an inexperienced key defender.
I'd rather lose Lappin, Bradshaw, Pike, Keating or McDonald before losing Michael. Michael is as important to our time like Voss and Brown are.
If Bulldogs were to chase Michael, we would be looking at pick 4 and Brian Harris minimum.
We trade these players if we have to to keep Michael. Every little bit of money helps.
Morrison, McLaren, Notting, Copeland, McDonald. Then Bradshaw. That order.
Morrison, McLaren, Notting, Copeland mean nothing to us and losing them will be nothing coz we'll get kids in return in the draft this year.
Signing up Power and Michael are far more important IMO out of all the uncontracted players.
Originally posted by scooter600x
Mainly because he's nowhere near as good as the others.
He might not be quite in the same bracket as the first-choice players for our key positions, but I would not go as far as to say that Bradshaw is "nowhere near as good" at all.
Lynch and Leppitsch both have a few years on Bradshaw, so you have to take that into account.
Likewise, I would regard Bradshaw to be just as talented a footballer as M.Michael, if not even more talented (both players began around the same time). Certainly Bradshaw is more versatile, and he's capable of dominating a game when up forward. Bradshaw's skills are also very good - excellent kick and good hands - in fact he led the Lions in marks this season.
M.Michael is one of the best full backs going around at the moment (and has been for a few years), but I would argue that his career is now built entirely around his ability to play this role, and little else.
With that said, M.Michael is more important to us than D.Bradshaw, due to the fact that he holds a specific position down in the team. However, I would also think that D.Bradshaw would be a better bet for opposition teams looking for a trade, due to his flexibility and ability to dominate games when up forward.
Similarly, if we did happen to lose M.Michael, D.Bradshaw would be the immediate replacement down back - a role which he did very well in this year.
Originally posted by scooter600x
Unfortunatley for you guys, Bradshaw also wont free up enough cap. Take Bradshaw out of the poll and it would be way more interesting.
Well, we'll just have to wait and see. Unfortunately none of us are privy to the exact amounts that players are offered or contracted on.
I'd argue however, that if Bradshaw is on between 150k to 200k a year, that this amount would indeed be significant, especially when you also add in about 100k to 150k for T.Notting, as well as the salaries of a few other young fringe players.
I would also be hoping that the club looks closely at the futures of McRae and White. Great servants they have been, but I personally think their time is up, as they can both be replaced immediately by younger players in McGrath and Brennan respectively.
Originally posted by scooter600x
For mine, you should trade Lappin, only because he's 4 years older than Power.
Agree.
Originally posted by scooter600x
If you were to trade Michael, God help you if Leppitch gets injured.
As evidenced this year, Bradshaw was capable of filling the void left by Leppitsch, and played very well on the likes of Tredrea and Tarrant.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Signing up Power and Michael are far more important IMO out of all the uncontracted players.
It seems thats the way the Brisbane Lions are thinking. On Melbourne radio this evening, on 3aw, it was said that the Lions refused to entertain any trades involving Mal Michael or Luke Power at Optus Oval today.