View Full Version : Players worth 2 first round picks (chocca read this)
melbournemartin
13 Oct 2003, 18:54
well pavlich for sure
he has it all
height
strengh
speed
forward, back, midfield positions
and young
and most importantly, a kool name
i'd trade away pick 3 and 5 (melbourne) for him any day :)
anyone else u suggest?
buckley probably not hird since he ain gunna live forever
lloyd
Simon Black, Chris Judd, Jonathon Brown, Warren Tredrea...
Adam Goodes, Anthony Rocca, Michael Voss, Andrew McLoud
Yze_Magic
13 Oct 2003, 19:03
I can only think of one
Jonathan Brown
he is better than pavlich if you ask me
melbournemartin
13 Oct 2003, 19:05
i think rocca would definatly be questionable maybe scarlett too
judd yeh him and pavlich are the two young guns who are ripping up the afl for the west
Yze_Magic
13 Oct 2003, 19:11
Originally posted by melbournemartin
i think rocca would definatly be questionable maybe scarlett too
judd yeh him and pavlich are the two young guns who are ripping up the afl for the west
Rocca? Scarlett?
you feeling ok brother?
The list of players worth that much is very small, I wouldn't even trade that for a Buckley or a Hird, because it is severely stunting your long term growth for a few-year player. I'd give away 2 first round picks for a dominant key position player with at least 5-8 years left, a kid who is without doubt going to be a match winner on the level of Voss/Hird/Buckley now, or a star ruckman. This is who I'd give it to:
Simon Black, Jonathon Brown, Chris Tarrant, Matthew Lloyd, Matthew Pavlich, Sam Mitchell (iffy), Warren Treadrea, Brad Ottens (iffy), Nick Riewoldt, Adam Goodes, Chris Judd, Michael Gardiner.
There's players like Hodge, Ball, Goddard, Ablett, and others who in a year or so might be worth it, but as it stands right now, those players are the ones I see as being worth 2 first rounders, though Mitchell and Ottens were borderline, more likely to be a 1st and 2nd.
stmookeyj
13 Oct 2003, 19:51
Blacky or JB.
melbournemartin
13 Oct 2003, 20:04
brad ottens aint worth 1 first round pick
tarrant definatly not worth 2
how can u even consider putting ottens upo there and no buckley
Pavlich, Tarrant, Jonathan Brown, Goodes, McCleod, Voss, Crawf, Black..Maybe Judd, Maybe Hodgy.... Buckly and Hird dont have enough high quality footy left in 'em -maybe 2 years? - to be worth 2 first round picks. Also all of those players depend on how high the first round picks are, for those 2 melbourne picks, i think only pavlich, brown, black (because of age and skill) and MAYBE Tarrant and Goodes
ImCheatingToWin
13 Oct 2003, 20:07
Originally posted by Shaitan
Matthew Scarlett.
I hope you where joking.
He is good granted, but cant seriously think if you put him up for trade anyone would give you 2 first round draft picks for him.
Originally posted by melbournemartin
brad ottens aint worth 1 first round pick
Hmm, despite his injury problems, I still think he is. Quality ruckmen who can also play as a key forward don't come along all that often.
Originally posted by melbournemartin
i think rocca would definatly be questionable maybe scarlett too
judd yeh him and pavlich are the two young guns who are ripping up the afl for the west
If you categorise Judd as a star, and honestly believe he is of the equivalent value of two first-round draft picks, yet deny Scarlett of such an order, you undoubtedly have no clue.
That's my opinion at least.
Scarlett has proven himself to be a well-known star, and the best full back in the competition. Finally, he received some praise by being elevated to the All-Australian full-back position (not that that means much). A star of the competition, and I'd take him before i even looked at Judd - and yes, my Geelong bias shines through.
Originally posted by melbournemartin
brad ottens aint worth 1 first round pick
tarrant definatly not worth 2
how can u even consider putting ottens upo there and no buckley
Ottens is worth 1, probably not 2, but I said that already.
Disagree on Tarrant.
Buckley hasn't got enough quality football left, same reason I didn't put Voss, Hird, McLeod, etc.
Originally posted by ImCheatingToWin
I hope you where joking.
He is good granted, but cant seriously think if you put him up for trade anyone would give you 2 first round draft picks for him.
If Stevens is worth 2 first-round draft picks, then I'd have to say Matty Scarlett would be worth them as well.
Personally, i don't think Stevens is worth 2 second-round draft picks, which would in effect mean, that Matty Scarlett isn't worth them either.
However, if you're comparing Matty Scarlett to some of the players mentioned, taking age into consideration and the like, i'd have to say Matty Scarlett would definitely match half if not more of the suggested players.
melbournemartin
13 Oct 2003, 20:22
stevens aint worth 2 he aint that good
tarrant ant much special
ppl give him such good raps coz he has some spectacular games when he carves up the opposition
two inconsistant for my like coz his bad games are very average
having said that i'd still like to see him train at junction oval :P
grinspoon
14 Oct 2003, 02:18
Originally posted by melbournemartin
stevens aint worth 2 he aint that good
tarrant ant much special
ppl give him such good raps coz he has some spectacular games when he carves up the opposition
two inconsistant for my like coz his bad games are very average
having said that i'd still like to see him train at junction oval :P
on his bad days he still gets 6 marks, 1-2 goals, 12 touches, acouple of goal assists. and his ave day he takes 10 marks, 2-3 goals, and has 18 touches, 2-3 goal assists.
on his days 16-18 marks, 4-7 goals, 3-4 goal assists, 23 touches.. 5 opponents. get your head out of your ass. being a dees fan you should know this ;)
Grendel
14 Oct 2003, 06:06
Is Nick Stevens worth picks 15 and 16 (two first round picks)? Probably yea.
Is Nick Stevens worth picks 3 and 5? No way known.
Would he be worth say.. pick 5 and 15? Arguable.
There are first round picks and then there are FIRST round picks. I.e the first half dozen or so selections should just about be a certainty to picking up a quality youngster (especially with the amount of time/review/coaching that goes into these kids nowdays.
The next ten or so are less certain but should still deliver a kid, who if not sheer quality, will become a valuable footballer just the same.
So when someboyd say's "we want two first round selections" as Williams has. Then it should be looked at how those selections pan out. Lot of difference between two pick's in the top half dozen than there is to two picks outside the top twelve.
Either way though, it's still two first round selections.
Fwiw, there are maybe three/four players I'd reckon worth trading that high for.. and Stevens certaintly aint one of em.
tigermania
14 Oct 2003, 07:05
When was the last time a player was traded for 2 first round draft picks ?????
Stevens is good. But not that good.
i think Carey was traded for two 1st rounders, also going back a bit I believe Bell also was
Malibu#27
14 Oct 2003, 09:48
Is Stevens worht two high draft picks ? Probably depends on the number of those picks.
But what has to be remembered is that a players price is inflated in situations like this if multiple clubs want him.
As more "name" or wanted players put themselves up for trades his price will drop as the "necessity" by clubs to get a Stevens becomes reduced.
As an example Lets say Collingwood is willing to offer Scotland and pick 17 - (some think this is a fair trade others dont). But if Carlton up the anti and offor more (pick 2 +) then if Collingwood really do want Stevens then they are going to have to find something better to give Port. If Collingwood was the only club interested in Stevens then it would be harder to get a good deal (from Ports point of view).
Because there is competition - why not up his price, let clubs fight over him for a while and then settle for the best deal.
Fact is if we only asked for a second round pick - thats all we'd get - ask for two first rounders and we may or may not get them, but we at least have clubs now deciding what he really thinks hes worth.
Brisbane did a similar think last year with Headland - in the end they did pretty well out of it - I'd imagine most would rate Stevens ahead or on a par of Headland so theres probably comparisons in value to be drawn there.
blackers
14 Oct 2003, 10:15
Originally posted by DonAce
This is who I'd give it to:
Simon Black, Jonathon Brown, Chris Tarrant, Matthew Lloyd, Matthew Pavlich, Sam Mitchell (iffy), Warren Treadrea, Brad Ottens (iffy), Nick Riewoldt, Adam Goodes, Chris Judd, Michael Gardiner.
Coincidentally, this also works as a list of players least likely to be traded in the AFL.
tiger of old
14 Oct 2003, 10:17
Originally posted by melbournemartin
brad ottens aint worth 1 first round pick
your correct he,s worth 2.
pav_is_god
14 Oct 2003, 17:01
Originally posted by Yze_Magic
I can only think of one
Jonathan Brown
he is better than pavlich if you ask me
better at CHF yes, better at any of the other positions on the ground...no!!
dover56
14 Oct 2003, 18:48
Originally posted by Grendel
Is Nick Stevens worth picks 15 and 16 (two first round picks)? Probably yea.
Is Nick Stevens worth picks 3 and 5? No way known.
Would he be worth say.. pick 5 and 15? Arguable.
There are first round picks and then there are FIRST round picks. I.e the first half dozen or so selections should just about be a certainty to picking up a quality youngster (especially with the amount of time/review/coaching that goes into these kids nowdays.
The next ten or so are less certain but should still deliver a kid, who if not sheer quality, will become a valuable footballer just the same.
So when someboyd say's "we want two first round selections" as Williams has. Then it should be looked at how those selections pan out. Lot of difference between two pick's in the top half dozen than there is to two picks outside the top twelve.
Either way though, it's still two first round selections.
Fwiw, there are maybe three/four players I'd reckon worth trading that high for.. and Stevens certaintly aint one of em.
couldnt agree more. people seem to talk rounds more so than specific selections. brisbanes first round selection and footscrays second round only differ by 1 position, but there first round selections differ by 18. picks 18 and 19 for stevens, no problem. the top 5 are usually (richmond and carlton excused) guaranteed senior players and possibly ready made stars (judd, riewoldt, goddard, brennan etc). then next 10 or so should be good but you dont know. stevens has proven himself
Not too many, J.Brown and Pav for sure.
Don't know about others being mentioned, who said Scarlett (what??)
Players like Judd and Hodge need a couple more seasons to see if they r worth it. Certainly look like they will with the potential the've shown, especially Judd
Hird, Crawf and the like aren't because they are in the end of part of the careers.
Rocca worth nothing!!:D
bens_jammin
14 Oct 2003, 19:05
Originally posted by tyk23
Adam Goodes, Anthony Rocca, Michael Voss, Andrew McLoud
Rocca.....pffffft wat horse sh1t
Originally posted by tyk23
i think Carey was traded for two 1st rounders, also going back a bit I believe Bell also was
Peter Bell traded for Pick 6 (Dylan Smith), Pick 8 (Daniel Motlop) and Jess Sinclair
Carey traded for Pick 2 (Wells) and Pick 18 (Kris Shore)
Crow-mosone
15 Oct 2003, 00:01
didn't Headland get traded for 2 first rounds?
Matthew Lloyd would be worth 2 first rounders at least.
Stevens is not worth it. I think port should be happy with say pick 5 and 20...or pick 5 and a player
sebastien
15 Oct 2003, 00:12
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
didn't Headland get traded for 2 first rounds?
Yes - pick 3 and 19
sebastien
15 Oct 2003, 00:17
Two first rounders...
for me it would only be Black, Brown, Llyod, Pavlich, Cousins, and perhaps Riewoldt. no one else
Falconer02
15 Oct 2003, 00:58
voss is only 28, I would give two for him,reiwoldt,lloyd,scarlett,tarrant,Hayes,Pavlich and Tredrae.
Bobby B
15 Oct 2003, 01:11
Peter bell was worth the 2 first rounders plus Sinclair to Freo as he is a great player/captain and has done great things at Freo. Underestimated IMHO.