Best Pre-Season Draft Ever

[tigermania]

With clubs wanting champions for their disgruntled players and not wanting to deal with certain clubs/people it is looking like the best ever preseason draft coming up.

Stuff Essendon,Hawthorn,Bulldogs and Port

[Captain Blood]

Originally posted by tigermania
With clubs wanting champions for their disgruntled players and not wanting to deal with certain clubs/people it is looking like the best ever preseason draft coming up.

Stuff Essendon,Hawthorn,Bulldogs and Port

Sheeds I think your wrong in who is stuffing up football - why not think about the players for once. Agree with TM, Essendon, Hawthorn, Bulldogs and Port should all be ashamed of their behaviour.

[TD]

Originally posted by Captain Blood
Sheeds I think your wrong in who is stuffing up football - why not think about the players for once. Agree with TM, Essendon, Hawthorn, Bulldogs and Port should all be ashamed of their behaviour.

We'll revisit this in a couple of years when Coughlan is out of contract and Sheeds starts throwing rediculous money at him.

And I don't think clubs are necessarily after champions for their players, but if Richmond believe that Solomon is worth $400k, then come up with an appropriate trade. Offering a $100k hack for a supposed $400k champion (surely only champions get that sort of money?) is not an appropriate trade.

[Tank]

Originally posted by Captain Blood
Sheeds I think your wrong in who is stuffing up football - why not think about the players for once. Agree with TM, Essendon, Hawthorn, Bulldogs and Port should all be ashamed of their behaviour.

I don't know what the Bulldogs have to be ashamed of. The Bulldogs do not HAVE to accept Ray Hall to satisfy Brown & Richmond.

If Richmond are offering this offer first to test the waters, before its improved at a later date such as Thursday or Friday, then the Bulldogs have every right to show their disdain for the trade and wait for the proper offer to come through.

[Kretiuk #35]

Originally posted by Captain Blood
Sheeds I think your wrong in who is stuffing up football - why not think about the players for once. Agree with TM, Essendon, Hawthorn, Bulldogs and Port should all be ashamed of their behaviour.

How? Because we make a request that Richmond can't forfill because their list is nothing but $hit...

Wow Ray Hall & #6 for Brown, thats fair!!! LOL

You gotta be kidding me, Tigers are gonna get f*cked out of the trade now, clubs will turn their back on them and you won't see Brown or Soloman if you don't grow some balls and offer some respectable trades

Heres an idea Richmond, instead of trying to recruit established players and hold your spot in the bottom 8 for the next decade, why don't you actually use your picks? Look at St Kilda now, they're gonna climb real fast while your still sitting there wondering, "why do we suck"?

Get a defender with some b@lls and a little drive from your backline, thats a start...

[rednugget]

Originally posted by tigermania
With clubs wanting champions for their disgruntled players and not wanting to deal with certain clubs/people it is looking like the best ever preseason draft coming up.

Stuff Essendon,Hawthorn,Bulldogs and Port

Stuff the Bulldogs?????

Wont bother them if it's a strong pre season draft with the number 1 pick.

[dogman22]

Originally posted by tigermania
With clubs wanting champions for their disgruntled players and not wanting to deal with certain clubs/people it is looking like the best ever preseason draft coming up.

Stuff Essendon,Hawthorn,Bulldogs and Port

Stuff the Bulldogs indeed.

And, Tigermania, who has the first pick in said draft, therefore being in a perfect position to capitalise on "the best ever preseason draft".

Yep, you guessed it, the Bulldogs. Checkmate

[blockerhall]

Isn't it raffled amongst the bottom four sides this year?

[dogman22]

Originally posted by blockerhall
Isn't it raffled amongst the bottom four sides this year?

Nup, that idea got scrapped

[Chris_Judd]

Originally posted by TD
We'll revisit this in a couple of years when Coughlan is out of contract and Sheeds starts throwing rediculous money at him.


It won't be Sheeds you will have to worry about... West Coast are freeing up enough space in their salary cap this year so that next year they have enough room to get Coughlan back to Perth :D

[TheJet]

Originally posted by dogman22
Stuff the Bulldogs indeed.

And, Tigermania, who has the first pick in said draft, therefore being in a perfect position to capitalise on "the best ever preseason draft".

Yep, you guessed it, the Bulldogs. Checkmate

Yep then its Carlton and then Melbourne. Will be slim pickings by the time its Wretchmond's pick :D

[TD]

Originally posted by Chris_Judd
It won't be Sheeds you will have to worry about... West Coast are freeing up enough space in their salary cap this year so that next year they have enough room to get Coughlan back to Perth :D

Either way, it'll cause grief for Richmond......which is all i can ask for ;)

[tigermania]

Originally posted by dogman22
Stuff the Bulldogs indeed.

And, Tigermania, who has the first pick in said draft, therefore being in a perfect position to capitalise on "the best ever preseason draft".

Yep, you guessed it, the Bulldogs. Checkmate

Where are the doggies going to get $350-$400K for the likes of $olomon,Rawlings and Stevens.Brown is out of the questio also.

[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by tigermania
Where are the doggies going to get $350-$400K for the likes of $olomon,Rawlings and Stevens.Brown is out of the questio also.



From the money we save on Brown for a start.

[rednugget]

Originally posted by tigermania
Where are the doggies going to get $350-$400K for the likes of $olomon,Rawlings and Stevens.Brown is out of the questio also.

They'll have some cash left over from Brown but if that's not enough they could just ask 10 players to take paycuts.

[HighFlyer]

Straight out preseason draft order isn't really the issue , anyone remember last seasons preseason draft ? Its Salary cap that stops teams participating. Doggies are running at 92.75% of the cap to satisfy the requirements to receive AFL monetary assistance they couldnt afford browns initial contract request anyway so they arent likely to have the money to spend on Solomon either, Melbourne are heading for 92.75 for the same reason the Dogs are , they wouldnt pay 400k for their own Brownlow medalist to stay let alone to take brown or solomon. With Carltons retirements etc they will have the money to participate but they will more than likely spend their cap money on Stevens or spend the pick on Stevens (choco gets nothing). This leaves Richmond with money in the cap to take a pick and the next available draft pick, one of those players will still be available. The uncontracted player always has the club over a barrel.

[stefoid]

Wrong about the doggies. We _were_ operating at 92.5 but are moving up to 100% now. AFL changed the rules on what level you had to run at to qualify for handouts because Sydney asked for a handout, and there was no way the lovechild was going to be asked to move down to 92.5%.

So we CAN afford a significant signing, the cap on that however will be common sense. Bulldogs wont be able to match the huge offers Richmond and Carlton are rumoured to be throwing at players. You can forget $400K for solomon or stevens.

I could see us matching the $330K for Rawlings, just.

[Ching]

Originally posted by HighFlyer
Straight out preseason draft order isn't really the issue , anyone remember last seasons preseason draft ? Its Salary cap that stops teams participating. Doggies are running at 92.75% of the cap to satisfy the requirements to receive AFL monetary assistance
Old news and not updated, Bulldogs can spend 100% of their salary cap since the Swans are also on AFL asistance and at 106%. Thank you Swans!

[Anja_Nees]

Originally posted by HighFlyer
Straight out preseason draft order isn't really the issue , anyone remember last seasons preseason draft ? Its Salary cap that stops teams participating. Doggies are running at 92.75% of the cap to satisfy the requirements to receive AFL monetary assistance they couldnt afford browns initial contract request anyway so they arent likely to have the money to spend on Solomon either, Melbourne are heading for 92.75 for the same reason the Dogs are , they wouldnt pay 400k for their own Brownlow medalist to stay let alone to take brown or solomon. With Carltons retirements etc they will have the money to participate but they will more than likely spend their cap money on Stevens or spend the pick on Stevens (choco gets nothing). This leaves Richmond with money in the cap to take a pick and the next available draft pick, one of those players will still be available. The uncontracted player always has the club over a barrel.

First of all, the Dogs offered Brown at least $350,000 a year, so they must have at least that much to spend. Secondly, the AFL have told the club they are no longer restricted to 92.5% of the cap (there were plenty of articles on this in the major papers a few months back - can't be stuffed giving a link).

That doesn't mean that they will spend 100%, but they CAN spend around 98% without too much trouble. This may be where the money for Brown came from, but it hardly matters. Either way, if the dogs don't get a gun player in the trading period, then they have plenty of cash to take one in the pre-season draft.

[DarkRider]

Obviously Richmond are desperate to return to their cherished 9th spot on the ladder :D :D :D

[Kretiuk #35]

Originally posted by tigermania
Where are the doggies going to get $350-$400K for the likes of $olomon,Rawlings and Stevens.Brown is out of the questio also.

You make this easy...

Kretiuk retired, Brown gone, 3 players delisted and we can use 100% of our cap this year unlike 92% last year

Thats where the money comes from... & i'm sure a few players have taken cuts in their contracts

[blah..blah]

Its quite obvious that Eddie and Co strongly believe that the Brisbanes and Sydneys with there salary cap concessions have an advantage over the melbourne based clubs.
It must be worth at least 2 quality players in a teams line up.

So why in gods name would the bulldogs and the like pay under the salary cap by the same number of players ie another 2 less quality players. In effect playing with 4 less quality players than the Brisbanes. Now the concession rules state they can pay upto 100%, thanks Swanies. They won't they get burnt this year due to lack of depth. Plus a shear lack of KPP. Let them pick up 2 KPP's (forward/center half forward) and a back up ruckman, grant back at CHB.

IF you think they can't aford it then your wrong. The AFL will hand out another 1M+ this year, the deal up in NT is worth about 400k+ plus the extra revenue it can generate in supporters. Plus with Brown gone theres another 400K+
Add it all up there is about 500K in working to 100% of the salary cap, 400K from Brown, Darwin 400K Kreties (retired probably 150k), There is a truck load of cash and they can't go broke (in the short term) cos the AFL signed up Channel 9 & 10 for a 16 team comp.
Why should they get an AFL handout, cos just like fitzroy they are getting poked by crap drawing games and it creates a vicious cycle. Can't get sponsors cos they have ****ty drawing games, get buggers TV coverage and yes they have less supporters and its hard to get new supporters when the only time you see them play on the TV is when they are interstate, ie Sunday Arvo's. The Dogs vrse Freemantle/West Coast may as well be played at the western oval, at least they wouldn't make a loss (financial) playing their.

As for Browie, yep go to the tigers he'd be a good fit, "mostly disinterested, lots of flair and a complete lack of consistancy and will let you down on a regular basis, just look at the number of points he kicked from set shots inside 50, almost sounds like Richos twin". But who would you get in exchange ? Holland and Bowden.

[bionicsasquach]

alrite, now first of all i'm not sayin richmonds offers to essendon and bullies were fair but, don't you think theya re overrating there players. Woeowdin only went for pick 16, definately better than solomon and probably better than brown IMO. Hawthorn are the only ones being realistic in their requests when what they want is an established player cos they think they are nearly at a flag. Port Adelaide said yesterday according to afl.com.au that they were after 2 first round picks, they can get ****ed and lose him for nothing, no one will give that much for him and IMO he is no better than woewodin so pick 16 should do hey? The dogs aren't being to bad, maybe it's just there overrating supporters who want a first round and gun player. ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN! the bulldog board have said they are also after a established player so thats not to bad they might even get a little extra but think about this Gun Player(Brown)=1st rounder + gun player. no way wake up dog supporters. and Essendon, well solly is great, hard at it, somthing every team needs but being a flanker you are never going to get what you expect(first round +player) no way no metter how hard at it he is still just a flanker. Also can someone from outside richmond,melbourne adn essendon explain why Holland(26,KPP,knee reco) is worth substaintally less than solomon(23,flanker,knee reco) logically it doesn't add up to me. PPL are always sayin KPP are worth more than flankers, why nto this case?

[Adrian Shelton]

I'm kind of hoping none of these deals happen, especially seeing there were so many people assuming/saying/writing that said players were going to be at said teams next year.

ps
is it possible at all that the dogs can hold Brown to ransom by not accepting any deals and redrafting him with pre season pick 1, i mean what could he do, crack the sads and sit out of the AFL for a year?

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by Ching
Old news and not updated, Bulldogs can spend 100% of their salary cap since the Swans are also on AFL asistance and at 106%. Thank you Swans!
The Doggies have enough scope with the salary cap to not only sign say Rawlings for Brown but to also add another high priced recruit. If it ends up being Stevens or even Mal Michael then they would be great additions to the playing list. The 1st PS pick might end up being a very valuable selection if the Friday trades dont go well for some teams

[blah..blah]

is it possible at all that the dogs can hold Brown to ransom by not accepting any deals and redrafting him with pre season pick 1, i mean what could he do, crack the sads and sit out of the AFL for a year?

I guess but what you gain apart from ****ing brown off and losing first draft pick. A bit too petty I suspect. More likey you hope he gets drafted by Carlton that would be far better.
I still recon let him go to richmond, he can then see just what a supporter is "ie I never seen a bunch of supporters boo there own players as much as richmond talk about fickle"

[mic59]

Originally posted by Captain Blood
Sheeds I think your wrong in who is stuffing up football - why not think about the players for once. Agree with TM, Essendon, Hawthorn, Bulldogs and Port should all be ashamed of their behaviour.

What in God's name are you talking about? If clubs are going to lose players, Port because one who they nurtured has cried for his mummy, of course they should expect something back. Most of these clubs taught the players to be the best in the AFL. You only want them to be released for bugger all so you can get them and keep all your(questionable) stars.

[blah..blah]

is it possible at all that the dogs can hold Brown to ransom by not accepting any deals and redrafting him with pre season pick 1, i mean what could he do, crack the sads and sit out of the AFL for a year?

I guess but what you gain apart from ****ing brown off and losing first draft pick. A bit too petty I suspect. More likey you hope he gets drafted by Carlton that would be far better.
I still recon let him go to richmond, he can then see just what a supporter is "ie I never seen a bunch of supporters boo there own players as much as richmond talk about fickle"

[Jimmy#5]

Originally posted by bionicsasquach
The dogs aren't being to bad, maybe it's just there overrating supporters who want a first round and gun player. ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN! the bulldog board have said they are also after a established player so thats not to bad they might even get a little extra but think about this Gun Player(Brown)=1st rounder + gun player. no way wake up dog supporters.

We are awake... to the fact the Richmond do not have any gun players which they are prepared to trade! :rolleyes:

This is the reason why we've demanded an established player and a decent draft pick (most likely to be ontraded to a 3rd party for a KKP) in exchange for Browny... and rightly so too!

I'd assume that if the Tigers had a gun that they would be prepared to trade (such as Ottens or Coughlan) then that would be a fair swap for someone such as Nathan Brown or even Solly!

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by blah..blah
is it possible at all that the dogs can hold Brown to ransom by not accepting any deals and redrafting him with pre season pick 1, i mean what could he do, crack the sads and sit out of the AFL for a year?
It's possible but unlikely. Players that don't want to be at a club are a huge distraction. He did say that it was a hard decision to leave the club but a fair few fences would have to mended.