View Full Version : Trading stance with Nathan Brown
tro-boy
15 Oct 2003, 20:36
Supposedly, Richmond is getting sick of the squabbling and is threatening that Brown could simply go into the pre-season draft in which Richmond would pick him up (as they would be the only team to agree to his yearly wage) gratiu.
If I were Miller (and I reckon all the tigers supporters would agree with this), I would take a calculated gamble and offer Bulldogs our pick 6 and say take it or leave it - forget offering pick 21 as well.
As long as Brown does not agree to go to any other club in a trade and continues to set his price, I would have thought that Richmond is about a 75% chance of picking him up in the pre-season draft for free
Think of it this way, if it all goes belly by Brown nominating for the pre-season draft, we lose nothing (as we keep our draft picks) but just dont gain his services. Bulldogs lose a lot more - they lose Brown for nothing!
As far as I am concerned, Richmond and not the Bulldogs have the bargaining power. Just wait til 1.00pm Friday and watch them relent!
kretchy
15 Oct 2003, 20:41
I reckon Carlton would be able to afford him, especially if they don't end up getting Stevens.
mellowyellow
15 Oct 2003, 21:00
My guess is that richmond will do a deal with the bulldogs.
The risk of letting him go in the pr-season draft will not happen .Miller has already shown himself to be to smart by halfs....so doubt that he would risk any further humilation and embarassment by adopting this stratedgy.
And how stupid has the club been by stating that it would offer up its first 2 picks in exchange for brown. DUMB!
Originally posted by kretchy
I reckon Carlton would be able to afford him, especially if they don't end up getting Stevens.
Bloody oath they could afford him. Would snap him up in no time.
Yet another ridiculous ploy by Richmond to "stuff the competition."
mellowyellow
15 Oct 2003, 21:05
Originally posted by bozza
Yet another ridiculous ploy by Richmond to "stuff the competition."
Are you Kevin sheedy's public mouthpiece bozzo?
Bulluss
15 Oct 2003, 21:15
Carlton wouldnt be able to participate in the pre-season draft, this is correct isnt it?
theorangeapple
15 Oct 2003, 21:46
three words:
Rawlings for Brown.
This would statisfy both clubs emensly and WILL be done if both clubs have not had statisfactory trade offers by 12pm on friday. Leaving the tigers and that sad excuse of a man in Miller to stay down at the bottom of the ladder were u have been and look like staying- even with brown.
OldSchool
15 Oct 2003, 22:15
Originally posted by mellowyellow
My guess is that richmond will do a deal with the bulldogs.
The risk of letting him go in the pr-season draft will not happen .Miller has already shown himself to be to smart by halfs....so doubt that he would risk any further humilation and embarassment by adopting this stratedgy.
And how stupid has the club been by stating that it would offer up its first 2 picks in exchange for brown. DUMB!
Sorry for intruding but I tend to think that the 'in principle' trade will be agreed on tomorrow and then completed on Friday morning.
I think a 3rd party might get involved because whilst the draft picks are a good offer, the Dogs need solid players with senior experience.
mellowyellow
15 Oct 2003, 22:16
Originally posted by Bulluss
Carlton wouldnt be able to participate in the pre-season draft, this is correct isnt it?
Thats correct.
scooter600x
15 Oct 2003, 23:27
Originally posted by Bulluss
Carlton wouldnt be able to participate in the pre-season draft, this is correct isnt it?
Carlton most definately can participate in the pre-season draft and most definately can afford Brown. There is no circumstance where Carlton would not take him.
Miller cannot afford to lose another player who has agreed to go to Richmond, he would lose all credibility and most likely his job.
Brown will play for Richmond next year because Richmond will pay whatever to Bulldogs demand.
PS. If he were to go into the pre-season draft the Bulldogs would not be losing Brown for nothing - he's already been lost. The Bulldogs would be losing whatever Richmond were prepared to offer. Richmond will have lost the opportunity to pick up a gun.
One-eyed Tiger
16 Oct 2003, 03:09
Originally posted by scooter600x
PS. If he were to go into the pre-season draft the Bulldogs would not be losing Brown for nothing - he's already been lost. The Bulldogs would be losing whatever Richmond were prepared to offer. Richmond will have lost the opportunity to pick up a gun.
Applaud your optimism however if Brown walks Bulldogs lose more than Tigers.
We keep our early pick which would make many Tiger supporters extremely happy and Carlton or Melbourne get Brown without giving up a thing.
One-eyed Tiger
16 Oct 2003, 03:13
Originally posted by Bulluss
Carlton wouldnt be able to participate in the pre-season draft, this is correct isnt it?
Carlton can participate in pre-season draft.
pick 1 - Doggies
pick 2 - Blues
pick 3 - Dees
pick 4 - Tigers
If Brown doesn't want to go elsewhere, how can they make him? If forced into the draft, he will put a massive figure on his head. If Carlton or Melbourne draft him...good luck, he's filthy rich.
What is to stop Richmond from organising a frontloaded contract? Without Solomon in the picture, and with the space cleared by paycuts, Brown could put a figure of $700,000 on the table for the first year of his contract and $300,000 per year for the next three.
If anyone else wants to pay it...they are welcome to him. If not, he's a tiger.
One-eyed Tiger
16 Oct 2003, 04:25
Didn't we do something similar to this to secure Gaspar and scare Melbourne off. From memory the Dees were livid when they discovered what we'd done. Come to think of it I think Saints might have done this to us last year with Powell.
I thought as a result the AFL announced this could no longer be done and as a result a player in the preseason draft now nominates his total salary and contract length required. The team that drafts him can structure this anyway they see fit.
In Brown's case (based on 1.5M over 4 years*) they could pay him 375K a year for 4 seasons or they could pay him 200K in his 1st year, 300K in his 2nd year and 500k for years 3 and 4. You get my drift. I think there might be a clause however where a player can nominate a minimum amount per season so that the contract can't be backloaded by a ridiculous amount resulting in the player receiving 50K in first year. As a result I'm not sure if this leaves the door open for the sort of trickery you're suggesting.
*anyone know what's the latest on the amount we've offered Brown?
hutstar
16 Oct 2003, 09:57
Could we not swap say bowden and pick 4 to Carlton for pick 2 in the pre-season draft? I think they would go for it, and we get brown more cheaply.
dogman22
16 Oct 2003, 10:12
Originally posted by hutstar
Could we not swap say bowden and pick 4 to Carlton for pick 2 in the pre-season draft? I think they would go for it, and we get brown more cheaply.
I don't think you can trade pre-season draft picks. I stand to be corrected, but I didn't think you could
Originally posted by dogman22
I don't think you can trade pre-season draft picks. I stand to be corrected, but I didn't think you could
Spot on, you cannot trade pre-season draft picks.
hutstar
16 Oct 2003, 12:36
thanks- anyway, I hope he can get over to the Tiges
Wally Matera
16 Oct 2003, 13:16
Originally posted by Tank
Spot on, you cannot trade pre-season draft picks.
What happened to the raffle they had last year where any club that failed to win more than 7 games were raffled to see who would get the first picks in the pre-season to stop players walking out on their clubs for nothing knowing they could go to the club of their choice?
If this is still the case, then that may improve the Tigers chances if we were to get first pick over Carlton.
dogman22
16 Oct 2003, 13:27
Originally posted by Wally Matera
What happened to the raffle they had last year where any club that failed to win more than 7 games were raffled to see who would get the first picks in the pre-season to stop players walking out on their clubs for nothing knowing they could go to the club of their choice?
If this is still the case, then that may improve the Tigers chances if we were to get first pick over Carlton.
Nup, that's not happening anymore either - got canned. Pre-season draft order:
1: Bulldogs
2: Carlton
3: Melbourne
4: Richmond
Wally Matera
16 Oct 2003, 13:29
Originally posted by dogman22
Nup, that's not happening anymore either - got canned. Pre-season draft order:
1: Bulldogs
2: Carlton
3: Melbourne
4: Richmond
Thanks dogman. I thought that was the case, do you know why?
TigerMal
16 Oct 2003, 18:07
Miller just said on 3aw (5:09pm) that the expects a deal for brown to be done by tonight.
Hurry up so we can get into other deals (ideally for 1st and 2nd round picks
stefoid
16 Oct 2003, 18:22
Who cares if the contract is front ended...its still $xMil dollars for Y years isnt it? all comes out in the wash. Or does the player nominate just a yearly salary? In any case, I reckon youd only get away with that trick once. Thats fairly close to rorting the system, and the other clubs would be a wakeup.
Yep, if stevens goes to Port for pick #2, Carlton will take Brown there is absolutely no doubt.
As a doggies supporter, I reckon pick 6 and 21 is around the mark... but good on our club for trying for more. Last thing we want to be seen is soft or desperate, otherwise the other clubs will pick our bones bare over the coming years, ala Fitzroy.