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Anyone ordering Wrestlemania XVII, on Monday? Who here is perpeard to put their credibility on the line and predict the results?
I'm hoping for something dramatic to happen. An unexpected heel turn, by a major wreslter, is always good value for money
Same Old's
1 Apr 2001, 17:07
Yep, I've already ordered it. A couple of weeks ago in fact.
Looks like a great card. And there's going to be at least 3 or 4 great matches put on.
What about the gimmick battle royal. Should be funny.
Same Olds,
I heard a rumor that Mean Jean Okerlund and Bobby Heenan will provide special commentary for the gimmick battle royal.
Look for the Rock and Austin to shake hands at the end of the main event, similar to the embrace betweem the Ultimate Warrior and Hulk Hogan in the face vs face main event of Wrestlemania 6.
Wouldn't it be great to see a surprise appeaerance from someone like, say, Goldberg!
Same Old's
2 Apr 2001, 12:40
I'm not sure about Goldberg but Gillberg is going to be in the gimmick battle royal. :D
Maybe Goldberg could do a run in and beat the shit out of Gillberg. :D
Will pay that last comment Dan25.
I wonder if Shane will have some WCW wrestler in his corner during his match with Vince, although with Foley as ref it may be Vince that evens up the odds.
I think with Wrestlemania being such a larhe event, there will be a precense of some former WCW wrestlers. I hope so anyway. However we don't know the real life contract situation, so who knows what's going to happen?
AUSTIN TURNS HEEL !!!!! YES!!!
I've been waiting for this to haopen for 2 f*cking years. I was hoping to be surprised at Wrestlemania and this was definately surprising. An Austin Heel turn is fabulous for the interest in the storylines. What a great pay-per-view. The last two matches, in particular, were outstanding!!
Same Old's
3 Apr 2001, 18:38
Yes I agree, it was a great main-event.
When Austin was giving 20 chairshots to the Rock near the end, I was saying to myself "Damn you Austin"!!!!!!!!
McMahon was at his evil best as well.
I love JR's comments:
"Why would Austin join up with Satan himself? Damn you Austin!! Damn you!! I thought I knew the rattlesnake. Damn you to hell Austin!!!"
Same Old's
3 Apr 2001, 19:45
Did you hear Paul Haymans' comment to J.R after the Angle promo.
"Who would wear a hat while commentating"
The funny thing was Hayman was wearing a hat as well.
I know it happened a couple of weeks earlier, but I loved Vinces's (Satan) comments to his son :
I'll never EVER forgive your mother for giving birth to you!
Now that's harsh!
Looks like it will be Austin-Rock at BACKLASH next month. The Rock couldn't be better positioned to be a babyface given Austins dramatic heel turn. I predict Austin to be an evil, ruthless, unforgiving heel. I don't think it will take very long at all for the fans to hate him. I've always thought of him as a heel anyway. All he's got to do is bag the home town of the venues they are at (eg at Raw) and it won't take long for the fans to get the message that he is "bad".
I can't wait for Raw !!
Same Old's
3 Apr 2001, 22:20
These are the best and worst matches from wrestlemania, IMO.
BEST -
1. Austin v The Rock - Great match and best match from the whole night. Plenty of near falls, which added to the drama of the night.
2. TLC match - Plenty of big bumps. Need I say more? :D Well timed as well.
3. Beniot v Angle - Great begining with a series of submission holds that were fast paced. Then it began to go into more of a brawl after that. Still was entertaining.
Another notable mention was the Triple H v Undertaker. Mostly brawling but had a great finish to the match. Very entertaining.
WORST:
Chyna v Ivory - That was bad. Thank goodness it only last a few minutes.
I think the gimmick battle royal was the worst. I can't believe they got 20 has-beens when guys like X-Pac, the Hollys, Lo-Down, Kaeintai, Too Cool, Steve Blackman, Haku, and others could have competed in their own battle royal.
Same Old's
4 Apr 2001, 17:09
It wasn't really put there for the wrestling aspect but more for nostagia. They really had some stupid gimmicks back then. "Repo Man", lol.
Also it served another pupose. To let the crowd have a breather between the TLC match and the HHH-Undertaker match and the main-event. They didn't want to burn out the crowd.
Agree that Rumble was ordinary and Chyna/Ivory match crap. Perhaps one of them got hurt so they ended it early.
Love the Taker/Tripple H match. These would be the 2 I rate the highest. I was surprised by the result but enjoyed it. Laughed when Linda kicked Vince and was impressed with some of Shanes moves. Perhaps Austin was getting soft since his comeback and this move will get him back to the character that made him famous.
I also look forward to RAW. 75 minutes from now.
Who were the wrestlers involved in the Rumble, a list would be nice. If not then just a few of the guys who competed.
Jod23,
The gimmick battle royal consisted of The Iron Sheik, Repo man, Nickolai Volkoff, Earthquake, Tugboat, Gobbly gooker, Michael Hayes, Sergeant Slaughter, Hillbilly Jim and a few other whose names escape me.
The commentators for that match were guests, Bobby "The Brain" Heenan and "Mean Jean" Okerlund.
Wresltemania proved one thing to me. It showed why the WWF is, and has always been the premier wrestling business. Nobody does sports entertainment like the WWF.
Thank god they bought WCW. Maybe they can turn it into something good that poeople actually want to watch.
Same Old's
5 Apr 2001, 19:38
Dan,
A lot of people are saying that this Wrestlemania was the best ever. Do you agree?
I've seen them all, and it was hard to argue. Five title changes, heel turn by the compnay biggest name, 67,000 people and two great matches to finish the card.
As an event, I probably rank Wrestlemania 3 as the best of all (especially Savage vs Steamboat), but for value for maone, I put X-Seven at the top of the tre..
What do you think? Have you seen them all?
Same Old's
5 Apr 2001, 20:18
I haven't seen every Wrestlemania in entirety, however I have watched tapes of the best matches from past Wrestlemania's. I've seen most of the more recent one's.
Wrestlemania is a bit like the grand final. A lot of hype but hard to deliver on the hype. However, Wrestlemania X-7 definitely delivered.
For a PPV to considered a great event you only need around 2 great matches on the card. Wrestlemania had at least 4 great matches, so I would say that Wrestlemania X-7 was the best ever.
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I have a bit of a soft spot for WM 4, and the tournament (won by the Macho Man) to decide the vacant title. The worst was WM 9. It was afwul. It was held outdoors and had a roman theme to it. The main event was Yokozuna ans Bret Hart, which Yokuzuna won. Stupidly, Hulk Hogan then came out of nowhere and challenged Yoko to the title right then and there, and of course Hogan won.
It was stupid thing to do from the bookers and it lost credibility due to Hoagan winning the belt after not even being in the match. Persoanlly I was sick of Hogan by then. But most of the other WM's have been fantastic.
Dan what is it with you and you anti Hogan campaign. Hulk Hogan made wrestling what it is today so show the greatest wrestler in the history of the sport a little respect.
As for the best of all time. That is just ludicrous, the last 6 or 7 Wrestlemania's have sucked and they get worse every year. The best were all the early ones, im not sure which number it was but when the Mega Powers went head to head. That was a great Wrestlemania. The Million Dollar Man and Andre the Giant vs Macho Man and Hulk Hogan. That was the shit!!
Same Old's
6 Apr 2001, 16:02
Jod, did you even see Wrestlemania X-7? If you did you would have been impressed, like most people.
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I have seen them all. Thought Wrestlemania 7 was pretty good. Hogan/Slaughter in the main match. Wrestlemania 1 brought wrestling back into our living rooms so I have a soft spot for that one. X-seven pretty good.
Jod23 - I would say that Vince MacMahon has made wrestling what it is today. I think some people dislike Hogan because he turned his back on the WWF (which made him a star)and left for the money. Also hear he was not the most popular guy in the changerooms.
Jod,
If you read what I wrote, I stated that I liked Wrestlemania's 3 and 4. In other words, I liked a few old Wrestlemania's. I think wrestling today, however, has improved out of sight. These days, the characters have more depth, the storylines are more provocative and interesting, and we are no longer limited to the boring face vs heel match-ups. Nowadays, any wrestler can fight any other wreslter. There are no boundaries.
Concerninh Hogan, there is no doubt he was a legend, but he had a great gimmick to help him. The "super hero" Hulkamania gimmick he used made him famous because he was marketed as the wrestler who could compete, and win, against all odds. He was great on the microphone and he cut some terriffic promos. However, his wrestling skills were terrible. The guy moved like a turtle in the ring, had no mobility, and could only perform two or three moves. He was never my favourite. I am proud to say I never jumped on the bandwagon. Back in those days, I always preferred the "Macho Man", even when he was a heel.
Hogan was a man, who was in the right place at the right time. He didn't make wrestling. The WWF made him. The WWF have proven that, even when their big stars chased the big bucks at WCW, they could still put on a superior product with an inferior list of talent and win the fans over. Hogan was a legend, but there have been plenty of wreslters who were FAR better at their craft than Hulk Hogan.
Nod - Vince is an idiot, he has nothing to do with wrestling today. He doesnt bring the crowds the wrestlers do. And wrestling would have failed from the outset if it wasnt for the great american hero Hulk Hogan.
Dan - "These days, the characters have more depth, the storylines are more provocative and interesting, and we are no longer limited to the boring face vs heel match-ups. Nowadays, any wrestler can fight any other wreslter. There are no boundaries."
LMAO!!!!!!!!
The storylines are so *** its like watching Home and Away or Neighbours! Good guys and bad guys is what it is all about all this changing shit is pissing me off. One minute a wrestler is good the next he aint. What is this doing to the younger fans. I know i was pissed when Hulk turned into Hollywood Hogan. It was stupid he is supposed to be a hero not a villain.
Do you remember back in the day of the actual good wrestling when Macho Man turned bad. It was one of the biggest days in wrestling history because it was so unheard of. A great hero of wrestling turning to the dark side, leaving elizabeth and engaging in one of the greatest fueds of all time with Hogan. Back then it was huge today its like your bad one week good the next ?? What is going on!
On the Hogan issue, i said he is the greatest wrestler and i stick by it because he is! no doubt about it but i never said he is the best wrestler. He wasnt the aerial athletic guys you see today, he was all about the consumate hero. The charging down the entrance aisle with the great american hero music blaring, the tearing off of the hulkimaniac shirt, the defiance at the end of the match where he couldnt be hurt and then the big leg drop, the posing and the crowd calling at the end of the match!!!!
He was and still is wrestling. He was a one man entertainment show.
Basketball is often referred to today as the post Jordan era. That is what wrestling should be called now, the Post Hogan Era.
Jod23,
I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't read my last post. I agree that Hogan was a legend, but it wasn't Hogan that made wrestling. The WWF made Hogan. The WWF said to Terry Bollea (Hogans real name) that we are going to give you a "super hero character". Now Jod, anyone could have been given this character and the fans would have responded. Hogan was simply in the right place at the right time. The industry is bigger than the individual. Much bigger. Hogan was just the leading name in the company at the time. If he wasn't, someone else would have been. The industry is bigger than the person.
The WWF PROVED that it can be done without Hogan. The WWF consistently outrated WCW, even though WCW had Hulk Hogan and many other big names. The WWF outrated them because they put on a better "story". Remember Jod, wrestlers are only actors. You have to have a good script if the program is going to be successful.
Vince McMahon made Hulk Hogan. Vince was the one that made him a crowd favourite, and made him the indestructable super-hero. When Hogan was winning all those matches, he was only following the script. Vince made that script. Vince was also the one that made the WWF even better in the 90's minus Hogan with improved character development and faster paced stroylines
Jod23, it is good when a character turns into a bad guy. When Hogan turned bad in the WCW the interest level in wrestling increased with all that nWo stuff. Everyone was saying stuff like : "Wow, did you see Nitro. Hogan turned bad. How dramatic!! Lets watch next week to see what happens"
I love seeing dramatic heel turns. At Wrestlemnia Stone Cold turned into a bad guy after three years as a good guy. It was so dramatic and so unexpected. I thought it was a great move and it will increase the interest level. The bad guys are the most important wrestlers. Far more important than the good guys. A good guy is only as good as the villain is bad. Luke Skywalker was only as good as Darth Vader was bad. In wrestling, the crowd will cheer for a good guy, depending on how evil the villain is. If the villain does a great job and is hated by the crowd, then the hero will get cheered more.
The bads guys usually set-up the storylines by committing some dastardly act. The bad guys are the initiators. This makes then the mose important characters. The good guys then respond to the crisis. Hogan was a great hero, but he was an equally effective bad guy.
When Hogan turned bad, it was at the perfect time. He had been a good guy from 1984-1996 and the last thing anyone expected was a heel turn. The WCW believed it was time he went back to his roots (i.e 1981-1984) when he was a heel. It was a great move, as it took wrestling fans by surprise and made them sit up and take notice. All wrestlers at some stage must prove that they can be a hated bad guy. You havn't done everything in wrestling unless you can be successful as a good guy and a bad guy. Hogan was the ULTIMATE bad guy in WCW. He was hated. The fact that he was hated made him successful. Goldberg was the good guy who was there to stop the nWo threat.
Also Jod, it is not as simple as good guy vs bad guy anymore. It is more complex and interesting than that. Now, any wrestler can fight any other wrestler. You can have two good guys going toe-to-toe with each other, or two bad guys slugging it out with each other. It's not black and white anymore. The good guys still have a bit of "bad" in them, while the bad guys still have a bit of good in them. The characters are more realistic, as opposed to the corny "good guy-bad guy" stuff of the 1980's.
And Jod it's easy to keep track of who is good and bad. Stone Cood just spent 3 years as a god guy. He didn't change back and forth. Triple H has been a heel for 2 years now, while the Rock has been a good guy for 18 months.
Wrestling is about to enter a new golden era. The aquisition of WCW by the WWF will allow for cross-promotional storylines and, eventually, a joint pay-per-view. There has been no better time than right now, to be a wrestling fan.
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eastaugh36
7 Apr 2001, 12:53
the truth is that Hogan made wrestling what it is, end of bloody story !
Originally posted by eastaugh36:
the truth is that Hogan made wrestling what it is, end of bloody story !
NO, Hogan did NOT make wrestling what it is. The WWF made HIM what he is. No person in any company is bigger than the company. No one. Hogan was the biggest star, but if he wasn't the biggest star, someone else would have been.
The fact that the WWF has thrived and thrashed the WCW (which had Hogan) is a testament to the storylines and the quality of the TV that the WWF produce. If Jod doesn't like it, that's his bad luck. The TV ratings prove that WWF is a higher quality production. Raw is simply a better television program. The WWF are far more professional in their approach. The WWF, either with Hogan or without has (with the exception of one year) been the leading wrestling organization.
Yes, Hogan was the biggest star in the 1980's, but he was only a big star because the script said so. Obviously he was a legend, but to say tnhat he made wrestling is immature, idiotic and stupid. The WWF made him. He worked for the WWF, and he followed thr scripts that they put in place. No one is bigger than the company - not even Hogan.
Any anyway, statistics have showed that Steve Austin sold more merchandise - money wise - than Hogan ever did. Read into that what you like.
eastaugh36
8 Apr 2001, 04:54
Originally posted by Dan25:
NO, Hogan did NOT make wrestling what it is. The WWF made HIM what he is. No person in any company is bigger than the company. No one. Hogan was the biggest star, but if he wasn't the biggest star, someone else would have been.
The fact that the WWF has thrived and thrashed the WCW (which had Hogan) is a testament to the storylines and the quality of the TV that the WWF produce. If Jod doesn't like it, that's his bad luck. The TV ratings prove that WWF is a higher quality production. Raw is simply a better television program. The WWF are far more professional in their approach. The WWF, either with Hogan or without has (with the exception of one year) been the leading wrestling organization.
Yes, Hogan was the biggest star in the 1980's, but he was only a big star because the script said so. Obviously he was a legend, but to say tnhat he made wrestling is immature, idiotic and stupid. The WWF made him. He worked for the WWF, and he followed thr scripts that they put in place. No one is bigger than the company - not even Hogan.
Any anyway, statistics have showed that Steve Austin sold more merchandise - money wise - than Hogan ever did. Read into that what you like.
if you want to be ignorant and not believe the truth then thats your opinion. The only reason Austin sold more merchandise is because he came up in the late 90's , 2000s. Of course its not going to be hard to make more in merchandish for this period. Nothing will ever beat the good old days of wrestling and Hogan WAS wrestling
For the first and probably the only time in my bigfooty career i actually agree with Easty.
Dan your DEAD wrong. Hogan made wrestling, without him it would have died out in the early 80's but instead of dying it took off because of the great american hero Hulk Hogan!
And of course the Rattlesnake would make more money in today's big audience, wrestling has gradually become bigger and bigger thanks to Hogan but now time has ended his tenure as the top wrestler in the world.
But to get to the truth of the whole matter is that todays wrestling just plain and simply ... sucks! Its a shadow of its former self and will never rekindle what it once had, today wrestling is about money just like every other pathetic organisation in the world. It used to be about the titanic struggle between good and evil with a bit of entertainment thrown in of course but now its just a bunch of fake, boring, try hard, NOTHINGS!!!
Good and evil doesnt exist anymore because your hero can be bad one minute and good the next, its so F*cking stupid i just cant stomach it anymore.
Oh and Dan im sorry but people can be bigger than organisations. Hogan WAS wrestling, he was bigger than WWF and always has been.
And if you want proof that people can be bigger than organisations then look up a man named Micheal Jordan, he IS basketball. When someone says basketball, you dont reply NBA, you reply Micheal Jordan. Wrestling = Hogan not WWF.
Same Old's
8 Apr 2001, 17:20
Originally posted by jod23:
And of course the Rattlesnake would make more money in today's big audience, wrestling has gradually become bigger and bigger thanks to Hogan but now time has ended his tenure as the top wrestler in the world.
What's Hogan got to do with Austin selling millions of dollars of merchandise. Austin works for a different promotion then Hogan. Austin sold the most merchandise specifically because of his character, it really had nothing to do with Hogan.
Originally posted by jod23:
But to get to the truth of the whole matter is that todays wrestling just plain and simply ... sucks! Its a shadow of its former self and will never rekindle what it once had, today wrestling is about money just like every other pathetic organisation in the world. It used to be about the titanic struggle between good and evil with a bit of entertainment thrown in of course but now its just a bunch of fake, boring, try hard, NOTHINGS!!!
Good and evil doesnt exist anymore because your hero can be bad one minute and good the next, its so F*cking stupid i just cant stomach it anymore.
Well everybody likes what they like. However, wrestling looked more "faker" in the early 90's and earlier then today.
When you say that wrestling "today is all about the money", what's that supposed to mean?
Originally posted by jod23:
Oh and Dan im sorry but people can be bigger than organisations. Hogan WAS wrestling, he was bigger than WWF and always has been.
And if you want proof that people can be bigger than organisations then look up a man named Micheal Jordan, he IS basketball. When someone says basketball, you dont reply NBA, you reply Micheal Jordan. Wrestling = Hogan not WWF.
You cannot compare wrestling with a sport like Basketball. Wrestling has preditermined outcomes so anyone can become the champion no matter what your wrestling ability is (Just look at Hogan :D).
In basketball, Jordan has proved that he is arguably the greatest basketballer to play the game. No one "gave" him his scoring titles, defensive titles, championships. He earned them. In wrestling, you get handed these things. That's not say that wrestlers don't work hard at what they do or don't deserve the title. In Hogans' case, he was a pretty crappy wrestler, in terms of technique. Nevertheless he got wear the strap.
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Jod, you're a dill,
Basketball existed long before Jordan hit the scene. And it will exist long after he has gone. The "game" of basketball is a million times bigger than any individuals. No one is bigger than the game. No one. Not Bradman, not Jordan. No one. The game rules all. The game is the reason these players were famous.
Also Jod, back in the 1980's, wrestlers still turned from good to bad. Heroes could become villains at the drop of a hat. Fundamentally, its still the same now as it always was, excpet it is now more unpredictable, and exciting. Villains are a great part of wrestling Jod - in my opinion, more important than the good guys. For you to say Hogan made wrestling is an opinion, that all business around te world have proved wrong. No matter how big you are, no one (I said NO ONE) is bigger than the company.
Hogan only won because the script told him he had to win. It is fake Jod. Get that through your head. Wrestling will alwsys be around, and it is thriving now, without Hulk Hogan.
Dan i see no reason to take this argument any further. I know and i think deep down you know that wrestling today is shit. The characters are boring the story lines far fetched and everyone knows it.
And ppl can be bigger than the game. Your just too dumb to realise it.
Sorry for the short and abrupt reply but im very tired, feel free for a rebuttle and tommorow ill come up with something a little more in depth.
eastaugh36
9 Apr 2001, 08:03
Originally posted by Dan25:
Jod, you're a dill,
Basketball existed long before Jordan hit the scene. And it will exist long after he has gone. The "game" of basketball is a million times bigger than any individuals. No one is bigger than the game. No one. Not Bradman, not Jordan. No one. The game rules all. The game is the reason these players were famous.
Also Jod, back in the 1980's, wrestlers still turned from good to bad. Heroes could become villains at the drop of a hat. Fundamentally, its still the same now as it always was, excpet it is now more unpredictable, and exciting. Villains are a great part of wrestling Jod - in my opinion, more important than the good guys. For you to say Hogan made wrestling is an opinion, that all business around te world have proved wrong. No matter how big you are, no one (I said NO ONE) is bigger than the company.
Hogan only won because the script told him he had to win. It is fake Jod. Get that through your head. Wrestling will alwsys be around, and it is thriving now, without Hulk Hogan.
well what sort of an idiot are you if you know its fake yet still watch it ! The truth is that it is not as good now, I mean like anyone is going to believe stuff like Mae Young having a baby !
Same Old's
9 Apr 2001, 12:08
Originally posted by eastaugh36:
well what sort of an idiot are you if you know its fake yet still watch it
You watch it, so does that mean you're an idiot?
eastaugh36
9 Apr 2001, 13:35
Originally posted by Same Old's:
You watch it, so does that mean you're an idiot?
well at least I treat it as a bit of fun and dont go on like dan.
Stegelator
9 Apr 2001, 17:14
At backlash i think it will be austin and tripple h against undertaker and kane
Dan - Have enjoyed reading your replies. Think you are spot on. I am also interested in the business side of wrestling. WWF is a great business story as Vince and Linda are now a public company and expanding rapidly. Hogan was the drawcard in the 80's but I enjoy it more now. Think of it as a soapie for sports fans who don't watch all the crap that occupies prime time on commercial TV.
Loved the Undertaker/HHH match at X-17.
Eastaugh,
I treat it like fun too. Wrestling is fun, no doubt about it.
However, I'm not going to say something stupid, like: "Hogan made wrestling", when Hogan's "All american hero" character was only a gimmick that he was allowed to portray. The WWF writers wrote his scripts and his matches, so they should certainly get as much credit as Hogan did. If a wrestler is good enough, they can make it, despite their gimmick. Hogan was quite talented, and would have been big anyway, but a great gimmick still helps immeasureably. If Hogan was asked to be "Repo Man" or "Doink" he would have been a failure.
The company and the organization are always bigger than the individual. Always. There are NO exceptions. I agree Hogan was a legend. No doubt about it. But he was helped by the storywriters making him the focus of everything. Hogan didn't win because he wanted to. He won, because he was told by the writers that he would do so. A great gimmick can help even the poorest wreslter.
I'm sick of trying to convince immature "fanboys", who still think they are 12 years old.
Nod - thanks for your comments.
Dan have to agree to disagree. Im an old schooler and you like the new stuff, i just cant stand the soap opera that wrestling has become in the last 5 or so years.
Hogan was the man and will always be the best and most legendary wrestler of all time. All the others are pretenders.
Cheers.
Jod, fair enough.
I'd like to say though, that wrestling has always been a soap opera. The storylines are faster-paced these days, that's all. The soap opera element was still there in the 1980's.
Magpie-Fletch
10 Apr 2001, 10:17
Fellas, you also have to remember that these days there is a hell of a lot more television for the WWF to produce (Raw, Smackdown, Heat etc). To me this has spoiled the pay per views because the big matches happen each week and the WWF is forced to recycle fueds over and over again i.e Just think about how many times you have seen the Rock take on Austin before WM17? I bet it is in double figures, at least. Now compare that too WM 6 we're there was a similar situation(two fan favourites who weren't great in-ring workers), before the match I can only ever remember seeing Hogan and the Warrior in a few face to face staredowns and certainly in no previous matches. Plus they've doubled the amount of PPV's they do each year from six to twelve.
If I can also revert back to the topic of everyones favourite Wrestlemania, my choice would be either WM3, which had the Hulk-Andre match(I couldn't believe my eyes when Hogan bodyslammed the Giant) and Savage-Steamboat plus a crowd of 93,000 created a great atmosphere. My other favourite Mania would have to WM6 where my all time fave team Demolition recaptured the tag titles and than the Warrior-Hogan, face vs face match was pretty cool. WM10 deserves a mention purely on the Michaels-Ramon Ladder match alone.
The worst Wrestlemania for mine would be probably WM13, where the main event was Sid vs The new and not so improved Undertaker, pure garbage. The only decent match on the whole show was the submission match Hart vs Austin, where Stone Cold turned face and the Hitman turned heel. Add to that the fact Austin was bleeding like Matty Knights and had two working knees, awesome match for sure.
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eastaugh36
10 Apr 2001, 10:35
Originally posted by Magpie-Fletch:
Fellas, you also have to remember that these days there is a hell of a lot more television for the WWF to produce (Raw, Smackdown, Heat etc). To me this has spoiled the pay per views because the big matches happen each week and the WWF is forced to recycle fueds over and over again i.e Just think about how many times you have seen the Rock take on Austin before WM17? I bet it is in double figures, at least. Now compare that too WM 6 we're there was a similar situation(two fan favourites who weren't great in-ring workers), before the match I can only ever remember seeing Hogan and the Warrior in a few face to face staredowns and certainly in no previous matches. Plus they've doubled the amount of PPV's they do each year from six to twelve.
If I can also revert back to the topic of everyones favourite Wrestlemania, my choice would be either WM3, which had the Hulk-Andre match(I couldn't believe my eyes when Hogan bodyslammed the Giant) and Savage-Steamboat plus a crowd of 93,000 created a great atmosphere. My other favourite Mania would have to WM6 where my all time fave team Demolition recaptured the tag titles and than the Warrior-Hogan, face vs face match was pretty cool. WM10 deserves a mention purely on the Michaels-Ramon Ladder match alone.
The worst Wrestlemania for mine would be probably WM13, where the main event was Sid vs The new and not so improved Undertaker, pure garbage. The only decent match on the whole show was the submission match Hart vs Austin, where Stone Cold turned face and the Hitman turned heel. Add to that the fact Austin was bleeding like Matty Knights and had two working knees, awesome match for sure.
fletch, in about 1993 smash from demolition came down under with a group of others and I saw him wrestle live.
Dan, Hulk Hogan is a legend, end of story
Originally posted by Dan25:
Jod, fair enough.
I'd like to say though, that wrestling has always been a soap opera. The storylines are faster-paced these days, that's all. The soap opera element was still there in the 1980's.
Dan i hear ya, but today the soap element consumes the whole thing and i just cant watch it anymore.
Magpie-Fletch - loved your post so very true. If anything there is too much wrestling now, and your picks on some of the best wrestlemanias were pretty good. The Hogan bodyslam on Andre the Giant has to the greatest moment in wrestling history.
PS. Im a big Demolition fan myself, they ruled!!! But were ruined when Crush came in.
Magpie-Fletch
11 Apr 2001, 12:04
The Demos were simply awesome, I believe Ax was having health problems at the time so thats why the WWF bought in Crush as a replacement. Of course we now know that didn't work and Crush went his own way while Smash struggled with one stupid gimmick after another i.e Repo Man, Barry Dorsaw in WCW etc.
Ahhh the mighty Demolition so many memories, like who could forget the time in the '88 Royal Rumble when they both drew one and two and than slugged it out for two minutes before Andre came out and they double-teamed him.
They just don't make tag teams like they used to.
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"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" -Winston Churchill
wrestlemania was the only thing this week that was better than gettin jiggy with the missez.
Stone cold is Vinces new best mate - damn I was almost crying.
You ****ing piece of shit, AUSTIN.
eastaugh36
11 Apr 2001, 13:37
I always hated austin anyway, anyone that liked him needs their head read
Magpie Fletch - i always loved the Royal Rumbles more than Wresltemanias. 88 was a good one.