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I heard yesterday that the Exorcist was being banned from screening over easter, can anyone confirm this. I hope it isn't true as that is when I was going to see it. First they shut the pubs on good friday, now they are banning movies.
OK Bluey & Westy, point taken I have removed the comment you found offensive.
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[This message has been edited by mantis (edited 07 April 2001).]
[This message has been edited by mantis (edited 07 April 2001).]
Originally posted by mantis:
I heard yesterday that the Exorcist was being banned from screening over easter, can anyone confirm this. I hope it isn't true as that is when I was going to see it. First they shut the pubs on good friday, now they are banning movies.
Bloody christians, bring back the lions I say. :D
I thought it was just Victoria, and they were only closing it on Good Friday. I resent the christian remark.
I hope you enjoy the movie...i thought it was good, altho it wasnt very scary, just wierd
Mobbenfuhrer
7 Apr 2001, 16:15
I think its just Good Friday, mantis.
In fact what I heard was that NO scary movies were being shown on Good Friday, something to do with it being Friday 13th.
That's probably a crock, though.
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I hope it is only Vic then not here.
Mobs what are they thinking, not showing scary movies on friday 13th, that is when they usually have the scary movie marathons on in perth, which is what I am planning to go to if it isn't banned.
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macca
I am sorry if you resent the christian remark, but I resent not being allowed to do something, just because some religion considers that a holy day, OK if they want to observe it fine, but non christians should be allowed to do what they please on that day.
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Just heard that the Bracks goverment has decided to reverse the ban. So anybody can now watch it on good Friday.
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Play on says the umpire
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Originally posted by play on:
Just heard that the Bracks goverment has decided to reverse the ban. So anybody can now watch it on good Friday.
Good. It was a stupid move to ban it. People can only be offendd if they pay the money to go and see it, right? The kind of people that would be offended by it, aren't the people who would be buying movie tickets to see it so why ban it?
What has good friday got to do with it. If people want to pay to see something, they are perfectly entitled to do so.
Westy Boy
7 Apr 2001, 23:43
Originally posted by mantis:
macca
I am sorry if you resent the christian remark, but I resent not being allowed to do something, just because some religion considers that a holy day, OK if they want to observe it fine, but non christians should be allowed to do what they please on that day.
But you're more than happy to get a day off because 'some religion considers it a holy day'.... or a holiday even.
Have a nice day at work next Friday, Sandie. ;)
You beat me to it Westy.
mantis that was about as sensitive as saying "Bloody Jews, bring back the ovens." or "Bloody Collingwood supporters, bring back season '99."
Just have your freebie long weekend and respect the story behind it - whether you believe in it or not.
Mobbenfuhrer
8 Apr 2001, 03:44
Per the D-Generation :
Good Friday was the day Christ was nailed to the cross.
If that was Good Friday, I'd hate to see one of his bad ones.
Hope his weekend was a bit better.
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BUBBALOUIS
8 Apr 2001, 05:59
Originally posted by jod23:
Religion
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Bloodstained Angel
8 Apr 2001, 06:22
Westy Boy
If we lived in a country that observeed religious holidays from another faith, I'm sure you would enjoy the holidays and not give a damn about their religious significance.
If you lived in Israel but were not a Jew, I'm sure you would enjoy the Passover holidays anyway - or would you go to work becase you are not believer ? hmmmm dunno about that !
Just like mantis can enjoy Good Friday and not be a Christian.
Dunno about the point you're trying to make really ?
cheers
Thanks for that BSA,
Bluey of course I will enjoy the holiday, wht not, it is there, we don't get holidays for jewish , muslim etc holy days, so take them when you get them.
The point I was making, is why should people who don't believe in a religion be forced to abstain from doing what they want.
It would be like Joe Gutnick saying, ban football on saturdays.
Everyone should be allowed to worship or not worship as they see fit.
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Westy Boy
12 Apr 2001, 15:58
Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel:
Dunno about the point you're trying to make really ?
That's right BSA, you don't.
I’ll put it simply. If I'm willing to have a day off because of a generally accepted religion's holy day that I don’t believe in myself...... it would be fair to say that I should be willing to accept some of the 'constraints' that go with it.
You jumped to a couple of conclusions..... implying that I was hypocritical in my earlier post. Where did I say.... "oh, but- it's different for me if I was in that situation".?
But I’ll use your examples anyway...
Just as I would gladly accept a day off in Israel for a passover holiday, I wouldn't complain that I couldn't see an American trashy movie which ridicules Semitism .... because the wider public deemed it inappropriate to be shown on that day. But going by the thinking in this topic.... I should, as Bluey pointed out, jump on onto an Israeli bulletin board and say something as offensive as:- "Bloody Jews- Bring back the Holocaust".... to make a point about not being able to see Ben Schiller and Jerry Seinfeld in ‘Movie taking the piss out of Jewish people #636346334.’
Do I question the reasoning of other faiths in making decisions according to what their religion dictates on particular days? No. Do you think I should?
If I was to accept a job in India.... I wouldn't go into a restaurant demanding they kill a cow so I could eat beef. Once again going along the lines of this thread, I should consider myself some kind of political prisoner with India's customs impeding on my freedom..... "let me eat beef you bloody Indians!!!" ?
So Mantis is saying that anyone religious who finds the movie offensive and belittling religion, so decides to not screen it on one of the most important days in their calendar (regardless of the country/religion involved).... should just show it so people can watch a stupid movie on their day off? .... oh sorry I forgot .... “it’s Friday the 13th!!!!” :rolleyes:
Sandie was complaining that she couldn't watch ONE movie, on ONE day, because of religion.... i just pointed out that the opportunity for her to even be considering going to the movies during the day, was because of the religious holiday in the first place, and she should respect that. If she doesn’t like the fact that the religious day results in certain ‘leisurely activities’ not being allowed ... ignore what the holy day represents/ results in altogether and go and work on that day. It was tongue in cheek btw.
So pretty much all I’m saying is that, the overall faith\country shouldn’t have to change a thing to accommodate me. For what it's worth, I am religious, but I disagreed with the consideration to ban the movie on Good Friday... but I do respect it. Just my opinion of course.
[This message has been edited by Westy Boy (edited 11 April 2001).]
sabre_ac
12 Apr 2001, 20:52
Originally posted by mantis:
Thanks for that BSA,
Bluey of course I will enjoy the holiday, wht not, it is there, we don't get holidays for jewish , muslim etc holy days, so take them when you get them.
The point I was making, is why should people who don't believe in a religion be forced to abstain from doing what they want.
It would be like Joe Gutnick saying, ban football on saturdays.
Everyone should be allowed to worship or not worship as they see fit.
By all means Mantis choose wether or not to be religious.
But at the same it is hypocritical to celebrate christmas and easter, and not celebrate and respect good friday.
It is a day the majority of the population hold in sum degree of respect for good friday. So its not the minority forcing beliefs onto the majority, but rather the majority forcing it onto the minority.
In my opinion you cannot choose which religious holidays to celebrate and respect, its either all in or all out.
sbagman
12 Apr 2001, 21:08
Well said Westy... couldn't have said it better myself. Well actually I could have, but, you know, that would be churlish...
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Sabre
I don't choose to celebrate on these holidays, that is all they mean to me, a holiday, like the queens birthday, it is actually april 21, but it is celebrated in june in the eastern states & october in the west. we still all have the day off though, same thing with xmas & easter for non christians.
My point is why should non christians have to give up going to footy, the pub, casino, or seeing the movie they want. Australia is a free country supposedly, not held down by religious beliefs. Freedom of speech & choice.
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sbagman
12 Apr 2001, 22:46
What utter crap Sandie. There is no such thing as absolute freedom. There are prices to pay for living in this society... or don't you pay taxes? If you don't like society.... the next plane for Afghanistan, departing from Tullamarine, is at....
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Originally posted by sbagman:
What utter crap Sandie. There is no such thing as absolute freedom. There are prices to pay for living in this society... or don't you pay taxes? If you don't like society.... the next plane for Afghanistan, departing from Tullamarine, is at....
Typical christian attitude, don't follow the endoctrine move, I am an aussie, but not a christian, there are a lot of reasons why I'm not.
Your god is so great, look at the suffering that little children go through, if he is so great why doesn't he protect them. Any so called god that let's little children suffer should not be revered. End of story.
Don't come back with it will be a better life after your dead. Children should be able to enjoy life now. Sorry but christianity sucks. Innocent people still suffer, if I was god they wouldn't.
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sbagman
12 Apr 2001, 23:13
Who said I'm Christian?
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sbagman
12 Apr 2001, 23:16
So it sounds like you are indeed anti-Christian Sandie. And that is your right to be like that. But does that mean you are opposed to this because it is what you call an infringement on your rights, or merely because it is a Christian belief which is doing so?
Whether you know it or not, you've already lost the arguement by your rubbish about feeding Christians to the lions, innocent little children etc etc. That's not the point. The point is conceeding a small amount of ground out of respect for others.
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Geeze how long did it take you to work out I am anti christian, lol, I love & care about people, no matter what religion or the colour of their skin, if I was a christian I would only care about fellow christians & let others fall by the wayside.
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sbagman
12 Apr 2001, 23:53
Don't let your anti-Christian senitments cloud the topic then, which they most obviously are. What if, I dunno, the Anzac day diggers said "out of respect for the memory of our fallen, please don't watch the Exorcist on Friday". Would you do it? Even if it were so nonsensicle, would you do it?
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Eagle_Fan
12 Apr 2001, 23:54
If you love and care about people, why cant you also respect their beliefs?
I cannot believe you're continuing this topic :(
Originally posted by Eagle_Fan:
If you love and care about people, why cant you also respect their beliefs?
I cannot believe you're continuing this topic :(
Becuase I don't believe in their beliefs, I only care about people, I think their beliefs are very narrow minded, if you aren't a christian, you have no value.
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Let's talk about their beliefs, especially the priests who have violated young children, but still turn up to church every sunday & tell everyone else how to be a good christian. Give me a break, too many people use religion for their own ends.
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sbagman
13 Apr 2001, 00:16
OK Mantis. Let me phrase it this way.
Let's stretch the boundaries of the imagination here. Let's say you care about ME.
Now I am Christian (Ok I lied earlier on). I also care about lots of people, some who aren't Christian, some who aren't Australian, some who have very different beliefs and values to those I hold dear.
So let's say you care about me. And let's say we meet up on Good Friday. You say "let's go see the Exorcist!" and I say "Sandie, please, if it's ok, not seeing the Exorcist would show a disrespect for my religion. I would really appreciate it if you didn't see it today, just today, for me". You say "But why? What the hell has that got to do with being Christian? I don't agree with Christian beliefs anyway". And I say "Well, it's hard to explain, but it is very important to me, and I know you don't agree with Christian beliefs, and I'm not asking you, I'm just asking you to do this one little thing out of consideration to me".
Do you:
a) Say "F*** that! It's my right to watch whatever I want! I don't understand Christianity, I'm not Christian, and I don't really care that it offends you. Seeya!"
or
b) Say "OK, well I don't really understand why, and I don't agree with Christianity, but out of respect for what is important for you, I will make this small sacrifice".
I know I'd respect you alot more if you made choice (b).
Cheers,
Sbagman.
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Life has meaning only in the struggle.
sbagman
See you rephrased it the wrong way. I was brought up as a christian but turned my back on it when I saw all the injustices.
They never had answers when bad things happened. As I said before, if I was god I would not let children suffer, any god who does will not get my respect. End of story.
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sbagman
13 Apr 2001, 00:26
I'm not talking about respect for God. I'm talking about respect for other people.
You didn't answer. (a) or (b).
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I would ask you, why wouldn't you sacrifice your beliefs & go & see the exorcist with me.
Do you have more rights than me?
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sbagman
13 Apr 2001, 00:33
And I would say "no, I don't. I just ask this one little thing. We can go see the Exorcist 364 days a year. Pleeeeeease Sandie???" and then I would make my puppy dog eyes and pout and it would be so adorable... :D
Sorry Sandie, I'm off home. I hope one day you'll realise that there are good people and bad people everywhere and of every race and religion. And I hope one day you'll be able to get over the disappointments God has dealt you in the past and be able to accept that Good Friday should remian like this out of respect for others.
Ciao,
Sbagman.
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Westy Boy
13 Apr 2001, 00:39
Originally posted by mantis:
if I was a christian I would only care about fellow christians & let others fall by the wayside.
Would you Sandie?? Really?? Just like all us other Christians yeah Sandie?? Not caring about anyone else but people who are 'with us' in our faith?? And with one implied sweeping generalisation, Christians don’t care for anybody but Christians. Just because they had holy wars and stuff 1000 years ago yeah Sandie?
That comment proves that you know jack shit about faith, and frankly, about this world Sandie. I have lost all respect whatsoever. So Christianity would have brainwashed you into not caring for anyone hey Sandie?... just because it couldn’t explain death/pain/injustice? I can only speak from personal experience here Sandie, but I do not care what colour skin, what race, what language someone speaks, and I don’t ‘hate’ anyone.
A lot more than I can say for you Sandie. Do you recall telling someone to 'get cancer and die' Sandie? Yeah, you really 'love and care' about people don't ya? Or maybe looking at people from different races differently like when you said ‘my son in law is a wog and he’s nice’. I treat everyone as an equal.... and yep... i'm a Christian! You don’t seem to have that kind of respect for people irrespective of beliefs Sandie. You prejudge Christians as bible bashing maniacs who are looking to convert you at any possible chance.
And what about your earlier comments about 'absolute freedom'? The kind of freedom where you can go and buy a gun and shoot down twenty people? That's ABSOLUTE freedom Sandie. Do as you feel... be free....
What will you reply with? "Typical Christian attitude impeding on my rights" ?
No sandie! It's a human attitude!! Live with others on society.... respect others attitudes and beliefs.... do you think that's bible bashing? Well it aint. It's common decency. My faith has nothing to do with how I treat people ... but you seem to think it does. Open your eyes Sandie.... Christians aren't the root of all evil.
Have you heard anyone criticise atheists in this thread? No. Yet how many times have people who aren't religious in this and the Good Friday Football thread said it's 'all the Christians fault that I can't do this and that'. Or does killing/stealing/committing adultery being seen as inappropriate come back to Christianity sandie, as everything that you dislike seems to?
"Christians wont let me watch The Excorcist" ....awww Poor Sandie. It's ONE movie, on ONE day, and suddenly it turns into this human rights issue of the highest order. I don't think you realise what Sbagman means when he says "Go to Afghanistan". You don't realise how good we have it here Sandie. Your major gripe of the week is whether you can watch some pathetic horror movie on Good Friday. Their pet gripe is whether they're going to be shot, get food on the table, and whether they're going to be persecuted for any beliefs. Take his advise Sandie, go there, and then maybe you'll return with some perspective on how great your environment is. But that's their country.... it doesn't affect you hey Sandie? They're lives don't affect you. Their lack of rights doesn't affect you. You wanna watch The Excorsist.
Christians aren't forcing you to stay home and pray Sandie, Christians aren't forcing you to believe in God and/or heaven Sandie.... they're not "FORCING" you to do ANYTHING.
Who's forcing other people's beliefs onto others Sandie? ....
"Any so called god that let's little children suffer should not be revered. End of story."
SO you're saying that I'm stupid because I follow God? Where have you seen me or anybody say "There is a god, the creator or all humanity, he exists, and must be revered. End of story." ?
Sbagman,
Beautifully said..... 48 times tonight.
Couldn't have said it better myself.... really... i couldn't have ;)
sbagman
13 Apr 2001, 00:52
Holy crap (excuse the pun).... you counted????
Slow day at work... hanging out for Easter...
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Westy Boy
13 Apr 2001, 00:59
Originally posted by sbagman:
Holy crap (excuse the pun).... you counted????
LOL.. nah I didn't... all I know there were a lot! did you count them ..... was I right? :D
I can't sleep and I got uni in 3 hours ..... now get back to work! :D
Hope ya have a nice Easter :)
sbagman
13 Apr 2001, 01:01
Yeah thanks you too... I have been working.... just not today... no I have no idea how many... I'd say it was a LOT though.
Well I'll talk to you soon... I'm off to Calabria tomorrow.... Ciao!!!!
Sbagman.
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