Crows Line Up 2004

[MaccasNeighbour]

Who would you like to see playing in Round 1 next year?

Here is my team, assuming no major trades:

B Hart Bassett Edwards
HB Goodwin McGregor Smart
C Burton Ricciuto Reilly
HF Welsh Carey Johncock
F Burns Stevens Perrie

R Clarke McLeod Stenglein

I Biglands Bode Torney Begley

E Hentschel Massie Ladhams

[Punchy Bassett]

Swap Massie for Torney and Ladhams for Begley

[MaccasNeighbour]

Originally posted by Punchy Bassett
Swap Massie for Torney and Ladhams for Begley

Those 4 players are all borderline. Massie and Ladhams are probably the better 2 but would depend on form and fitness.

[Punchy Bassett]

Massie's skills hold up a bit more under pressure than Torney's does and Ladhams has that knack of finding the goals a bit more often than Begley

[MaccasNeighbour]

Originally posted by Punchy Bassett
Massie's skills hold up a bit more under pressure than Torney's does and Ladhams has that knack of finding the goals a bit more often than Begley

I agree, I hope Ladhams can really fire this year. Was impressed in 2002 but 2003 he want backwards. We need these second tier players to lift.

[Punchy Bassett]

Originally posted by MaccasNeighbour
I agree, I hope Ladhams can really fire this year. Was impressed in 2002 but 2003 he want backwards. We need these second tier players to lift.

Agreed but I also think that some of these players (Bode in particular) for some reason appeared to not have as much confidence in the coaches eye's that they did in 2002 which led to them losing a bit of form

[Arsene Wenger]

very surprising to see the cows non involvement in trade week. They obviousely do not have the squad to win a flag, they dotn have high draft picks. i think they are a being a bit naive in thinking that their squad is good enough. Carey is not getting any younger, or more agile, neitehr is smart. Their midfield is awesome but their rotations are not good at all...

[troy_sibbick]

Swap Reilly for Shirley

[Punchy Bassett]

Originally posted by Arsene Wenger
very surprising to see the cows non involvement in trade week. They obviousely do not have the squad to win a flag, they dotn have high draft picks. i think they are a being a bit naive in thinking that their squad is good enough. Carey is not getting any younger, or more agile, neitehr is smart. Their midfield is awesome but their rotations are not good at all...

Go and worry about your own club sacking all it's B&F winners as quick as they can.

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Arsene Wenger
very surprising to see the cows non involvement in trade week. They obviousely do not have the squad to win a flag, they dotn have high draft picks. i think they are a being a bit naive in thinking that their squad is good enough. Carey is not getting any younger, or more agile, neitehr is smart. Their midfield is awesome but their rotations are not good at all...
I suggest you stick to soccer, as you don't appear to much about AFL. :rolleyes:

[MaccasNeighbour]

Originally posted by Arsene Wenger
very surprising to see the cows non involvement in trade week. They obviousely do not have the squad to win a flag, they dotn have high draft picks. i think they are a being a bit naive in thinking that their squad is good enough.

In that case Port have also been very naive the last 3 years.

[macca23]

Originally posted by Arsene Wenger
Carey is not getting any younger, or more agile, neitehr is smart.

A very astute observation, Asinine Winger, very astute.

Not much gets past you!! :rolleyes:

Just for curiosity, who ARE the players in your squad that are getting younger??

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by macca23
A very astute observation, Asinine Winger, very astute.

Not much gets past you!! :rolleyes:

Just for curiosity, who ARE the players in your squad that are getting younger??
Macca, didn't you know he has invented a time machine so they can bring back Jack Cahill, Fos Williams & Russell Ebert in their prime - guys who know how to win finals. ;)

[maccas_no1]

LOL @ Macca23, Maccasneighbour and Kane:D :D :D

**** off Arsehole Whinger:rolleyes:

[Stiffy_18]

F: ...... Scott Welsh ...... Wayne Carey ...... Graham Johncock
HF: ...... Chris Ladhams ...... Mark Stevens ...... Tyson Edwards
C: ...... Brent Reilly ...... Mark Ricciuto ...... Brett Burton
HB: ......Kris Massie ...... Ken McGregor ...... Simon Goodwin
B: ...... Aidan Parker ...... Nathan Bassett ...... Ben Hart
1R: ...... Rhett Biglands ...... Tyson Stenglein ...... Andrew McLeod

INT: ...... Matthew Clarke ...... Nigel Smart ...... Matthew Bode ...... Jacob Schuback

EMG: ...... Trent Hentschel ...... Jason Torney ...... James Begley


Might not be our best team but at least 3 youngsters get a crack. We must blood 2-3 youngsters ASAP.

[dyertribe]

FB.... Ben Hart........... Nathan Bassett.... Aidan Parker
HB.... Jason Torney....... Ken McGregor...... Simon Goodwin
C..... Tyson Stenglein.... Mark Ricciuto..... Brett Burton
HF.... Tyson Edwards...... Mark Stevens...... Brent Reilly
FF.... Scott Welsh........ Wayne Carey....... Ronnie Burns
R..... Matthew Clarke..... Graham Johncock... Andrew McLeod

IC.... Ian Perrie, Matthew Bode, Nigel Smart, Rhett Biglands

EMG... Nathan Bock, Kris Massie, Trent Hentschel

[Dogga]

B. Hart, Parker, Shirley.
HB. Torney, McGregor, Edwards.
C. Stenglein, Ricciuto, Reilly.
HF. Johncock, Stevens, Burton.
F. Welsh, Carey, Burns.
1R. Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod.
IC. Smart, Biglands, Massie, Bode.
Em. Ladhams, Bock, Hentschel.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by dyertribe
EMG... Trent Hentschel
Are my eyes deceiving me?:p

[DaveW]

I'm going to wait and see who's actually on our list next year.

[dyertribe]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Are my eyes deceiving me?:p

Default... the two sweetest words in the English language

[lozstar]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

1R: ...... Rhett Biglands ......
Shouldn't that say Brad Ottens? :p

[RaDaR ReiLLy]

FB: Basset, , Hart, Torney
B: Edwards, McGregor, Smart
C: Burton, Ricciuto, Reilly
HF: Goodwin, Stevens, Bode
F: Welsh, Carey, Johncock
1R: Clarke, McLeod, Stenglein
INT: Biglands, Ladhams, Massie, Schuback
EMG: Begley, Perrie, Burns

I rate Begley, but I just can't find a spot for him :(
Likewise with Parker- who should play some games next year in order for the clubs future success.

[Jerome]

FB.... Ben Hart........... Nathan Bassett.... Aidan Parker
HB.... Jason Torney....... Ken McGregor...... Simon Goodwin
C..... Tyson Stenglein.... Mark Ricciuto..... Brett Burton
HF.... Tyson Edwards...... Mark Stevens...... Brent Reilly
FF.... Scott Welsh........ Wayne Carey....... Ronnie Burns
R..... Matthew Clarke..... Graham Johncock... Andrew McLeod

IC.... Ian Perrie, Matthew Bode, Nigel Smart, Rhett Biglands

EMG... Jacob Schuback, Kris Massie, Trent Hentschel

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by lozstar
Shouldn't that say Brad Ottens? :p I wish:(

[Russian]

B: Edwards, Parker, Massie
HB: Smart, McGregor, Hart
C: Reilly, Ricciuto, Burton
HF: Burns, Stevens, Goodwin
F: Johncock, Carey, Welsh
1R: Clarke, McLeod, Shirley
Int: Biglands, Bode, Ladhams, Torney
Em: Perrie, Stenglein, Schuback

[spindoctor]

F Rutten Stevens Johncock
HF Welsh Carey Ladhams
C Burton Ricciuto Stenglein
HB Edwards McGregor Massie
B Bassett Parker Hart

R Biglands McLeod Goodwin

I Schuback, Shirley, Clarke, Burns

E Perrie Begley Bode


Cripe...where do I fit Torney, Reilly etc?

[GoalsFrom50Out]

Originally posted by Arsene Wenger
very surprising to see the cows non involvement in trade week. They obviousely do not have the squad to win a flag, they dotn have high draft picks. i think they are a being a bit naive in thinking that their squad is good enough. Carey is not getting any younger, or more agile, neitehr is smart. Their midfield is awesome but their rotations are not good at all...

I can't believe you go for Arsenal. :mad:

[MaccasNeighbour]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

F: ...... Scott Welsh ...... Wayne Carey ...... Graham Johncock
HF: ...... Chris Ladhams ...... Mark Stevens ...... Tyson Edwards
C: ...... Brent Reilly ...... Mark Ricciuto ...... Brett Burton
HB: ......Kris Massie ...... Ken McGregor ...... Simon Goodwin
B: ...... Aidan Parker ...... Nathan Bassett ...... Ben Hart
1R: ...... Rhett Biglands ...... Tyson Stenglein ...... Andrew McLeod

INT: ...... Matthew Clarke ...... Nigel Smart ...... Matthew Bode ...... Jacob Schuback

EMG: ...... Trent Hentschel ...... Jason Torney ...... James Begley


Might not be our best team but at least 3 youngsters get a crack. We must blood 2-3 youngsters ASAP.

I'd love to see that forward line Stiffy. I think Edwards and Johncock could be 2 of the best small forwards in the competition. Are you trading Perrie or dropping him like the many marks he drops?

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by MaccasNeighbour
Are you trading Perrie or dropping him like the many marks he drops? It would appear that he is not going anywhere so I am dropping him. The only reason he got games this year was because of injuries to our key forwards;)

[Thunderstruck]

B HART BASSETT SMART
HB MASSIE MCGREGOR GOODWIN
C BURTON RICCIUTO STENGLEIN
H EDWARDS STEVENS WELSH
F CAREY PERRIE BODE
1R CLARKE JOHNCOCK MCLEOD

INT BURNS BIGLANDS LADHAMS TORNEY

EMG PARKER BEGLEY REILLY

Thats mine. Shirley is stiff, but im sure if a few are injured which always happens that he will get his turn again.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Thunderstruck
B HART BASSETT SMART
HB MASSIE MCGREGOR GOODWIN
C BURTON RICCIUTO STENGLEIN
H EDWARDS STEVENS WELSH
F CAREY PERRIE BODE
1R CLARKE JOHNCOCK MCLEOD

INT BURNS BIGLANDS LADHAMS TORNEY

EMG PARKER BEGLEY REILLY

Thats mine. Shirley is stiff, but im sure if a few are injured which always happens that he will get his turn again. So you are not really blooding any youngsters??????

[Bockchoy67]

I'm surprised about how many people are not putting Shirley in their team. He was extremely consistent in 2003 and in my opinion did a much better job as our tagger than Stenglein this year. I reckon he'll get a certified senior side position in 2004.

Anyway, here is my prefered senior list for 2004.
Smart Basset Hart

Massie McGregor Edwards

Reilly Riccuito Goodwin

Schuback Stevens Welsh

Perrie Carey Johncock

Clarke Shirley McCleod

Int: Biglands, Bock, Stenglein, Begley.

EMG: Parker Torney Rutten

[Russian]

ne1 found a spot for Scott Stevens yet?

[dyertribe]

Originally posted by Jerome
FB.... Ben Hart........... Nathan Bassett.... Aidan Parker
HB.... Jason Torney....... Ken McGregor...... Simon Goodwin
C..... Tyson Stenglein.... Mark Ricciuto..... Brett Burton
HF.... Tyson Edwards...... Mark Stevens...... Brent Reilly
FF.... Scott Welsh........ Wayne Carey....... Ronnie Burns
R..... Matthew Clarke..... Graham Johncock... Andrew McLeod

IC.... Ian Perrie, Matthew Bode, Nigel Smart, Rhett Biglands

EMG... Jacob Schuback, Kris Massie, Trent Hentschel

Either you're lazy or we share an almost identical taste in lineups ;)

[macca23]

FB.... Ben Hart........... Nathan Bassett.... Tyson Edwards
HB.... Jason Torney....... Ken McGregor...... Nigel Smart
C..... Brent Reilly.... Mark Ricciuto..... Brett Burton
HF.... Simon Goodwin...... Mark Stevens...... Graham Johncock
FF.... Scott Welsh........ Wayne Carey....... Ronnie Burns
R..... Matthew Clarke..... Tyson Stenglein... Andrew McLeod

IC.... Jacob Schuback, Matthew Bode, Aidan Parker, Rhett Biglands

EMG... Kris Massie, Trent Hentschel, Ian Perrie

Edwards to play in the back lines when there's a small in the forward pocket - on the ball when it's a tall and Parker to come in on the tall.

Schuback to come in on bursts in the forward line.

Bode, Goodwin and Johncock to rotate through the mid-field.

Given reasonable form, Reilly, Schuback and Parker to play all year.

Hentschel to also get games as the opportunity arises.

We must develop youth as part of our best 22 next year.

[Stiffy_18]

and Scott Stevens to also be given a fair crack next year.:D

Seriously, 194 cm mobile and by all reports a good mark. Can play CHF when he bulks up.

Whats he like below his knees???? Good pace??????

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
and Scott Stevens to also be given a fair crack next year.:D

Seriously, 194 cm mobile and by all reports a good mark. Can play CHF when he bulks up.

Whats he like below his knees???? Good pace??????

I can't remember how good he is below the knees, but he is athletic and mobile enough. Pace is good.

I remember watching him play a cracker of a game at CHF last year against Port at the SCG (8 marks that day), and another good game in the finals this year at Footy Park when playing in defence.

There's certainly something to work with there.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I can't remember how good he is below the knees, but he is athletic and mobile enough. Pace is good.

I remember watching him play a cracker of a game at CHF last year against Port at the SCG (8 marks that day), and another good game in the finals this year at Footy Park when playing in defence.

There's certainly something to work with there. I like what I am hearing:)

What was Sheenan's (sp???) top 10??????

[macca23]

Don't think that they were in order

Adam Cooney

Kepler Bradley

Kane Tenace

Farren Ray

Colin Sylvia

Raphael Clarke

Troy Chaplin


Those 7 were definitely in the 10

I think the next 2 were as well, but I can't remember the 10 th one.

Andrew Walker

Ryley Dunn

[DaveW]

This is our best line-up:

F: Welsh Carey Johncock
HF: Bode M Stevens Ladhams
C: Burton Stenglein Goodwin
HB: Torney McGregor Smart
B: Hart Bassett Edwards

R: Clarke Ricciuto McLeod

I: Biglands Shirley Burns Massie


I'd love to see Reilly, Schuback, Rutten, S Stevens, Parker et al establish themselves next year. In fact I'll be annoyed if our young talent doesn't start coming through in 2004. But I'm going to wait until they prove it first, til I name them in our best 22.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Don't think that they were in order

Adam Cooney

Kepler Bradley

Kane Tenace

Farren Ray

Colin Sylvia

Raphael Clarke

Troy Chaplin


Those 7 were definitely in the 10

I think the next 2 were as well, but I can't remember the 10 th one.

Andrew Walker

Ryley Dunn Brock McLean??????

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Brock McLean??????

He'd be around there wouldn't he??

I really just can't remember whether he was the 10th one or not, but he might well have been.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
He'd be around there wouldn't he?? IMO, he would be but I am no expert.

You would have seen him play in the TAC Cup GF for Calder Cannons. He racked up possesions at will.

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
IMO, he would be but I am no expert.

You would have seen him play in the TAC Cup GF for Calder Cannons. He racked up possesions at will.

He'll go pretty high in the draft, because he is a real hard nut reads the play beautifully, and is a genuine ball magnet. A really good type to get.

I was very impressed by him - IMO he'll definitely make it at AFL level.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
He'll go pretty high in the draft, because he is a real hard nut reads the play beautifully, and is a genuine ball magnet. A really good type to get.

I was very impressed by him - IMO he'll definitely make it at AFL level. I think he should go top 10. Maybe to Essendon at 6 or most likely Freo at 10.

[SpecialBruce]

Sorry to butt in on your board and this topic. Thought you might be interested in this. Cjwalkley has made a super 16's game for next season and I had the pleasure of taking Adelaide. We have to choose 5 midfielders, 5 defenders, 5 forwards and 1 ruck to play every game next season to score us points. 37 on our list maximum. This is the team I'd have as a 22.

B: Michael Wilson, Jason Saddington, Tom Harley
HB: Tyson Edwards, Ken McGregor, Nigel Smart
C: Tyson Stenglein, Mark Ricciuto, Matthew Bode
HF: Byron Pickett, Mark Stevens, Graham Johncock
F: Daniel Motlop, Kent Kingsley, Scott Welsh

FOLL: Jamie Charman, Jason Johnson, Andrew McLeod

INT: Richard Hadley, Wayne Carey, Shaun McManus, Matthew Clarke

EMER: Brenton Sanderson, Leigh Colbert, Ian Perrie

Extras:

James Begley
Nathan Carroll
Jason Gram
Ben Nelson (trying to get rid of him)
Michael Doughty
Mark Mercuri
Jacob Schuback
Nathan Bock
Luke Jericho
Cameron Mooney
Ben Rutton
Ben Marsh

I'm trying to get Sam Power - bargaining with Bulldogs for Perrie and someone else at the moment.

Now take a choice between my best deal that I took off. Don't ask me how I did it okay, but I did it.

In this game, your highest scorers will win you the game, so thats why key position defence lacks a bit.

Trade number 1.

Adelaide trade: Matthew Smith and Andrew Crowell to Essendon
Essendon trade: Mark Mercuri to Adelaide.

Smith and Crowell were going to be delisted by me anyway and probably by Adelaide in real, so I thought I would cash in on someone who I can use as a backup small forward.

Trade number 2

Adelaide trade to Essendon: Daniel Schell (going to be delisted), Martin Mattner (possible delisting), Trent Hentschell (wouldn't get a game with my forward line I have), James Gallagher (Possible delisting plus wouldn't get a game for me), #67, #76 (Draft picks mean **** in this game)

Essendon trade to Adelaide: Jamie Charman, Jason Saddington, Shaun McManus and pick 55. They obviously got Charman and Saddington off Brisbane and Sydney respectively for which they ontraded onto me.

Trade number 3.

Adelaide get:

Cameron Mooney, Kent Kingsley, Tom Harley, Brentan Sanderson.

Geelong get:

Shannon Watt (Dud and lousy scorer), Nathan Bassett (low scorer), Chris Ladhams (decent one there), Mark Porter (low scorer), #12, #29. (draft picks mean jack in this game)

I got Watt and Porter from the Kangaroos in a Motlop deal and on traded them to get better players for them to boost my defence and forward line.

Those are 3 of the biggest trades I ended up with. Trading some of your duds for good young players. Yes there are some Port players in there, however in this game, I need players who will score me points.

So looking at my list, you can tell the INS and OUTS I've made.

I'm just interested to know what you think of the team and also the trades.

P.S From a Brisbane supporter. Good luck next year! You all must all rate that Aiden Parker high. Can I have some info on him please?

[DaveW]

Jason Saddington at full back? Kent Kingsley at full forward? Yuck.

[SpecialBruce]

Originally posted by DaveW
Jason Saddington at full back? Kent Kingsley at full forward? Yuck.

I would change the team around but not in the mood.

Oh, I somehow managed this deal. This is a late one.

Ben Nelson for Peter Burgoyne

Port stuffed up joking around in the trade thread offering huge players for crap players to Essendon to see if Essendon would take it. Essendon did. Four of us then conned Essendon to trade those players onto us. So we chose 4 of our biggest hacks and got decent players for them.

Anyway thought you might be interested. Not knowing much about your players, I can't choose a team for you next year in this topic but I'd agree with most of you on what you have all decided. The teams you have decided will definately challenge us injury free. Oh and I'm still waiting for my predicted Adelaide V Brisbane GF. Hasn't happened the last 2 years. I'm hoping you don't meet us in the finals again till the big one next year. Good luck.!

[macca23]

Originally posted by macca23

Those 7 were definitely in the 10

I think the next 2 were as well, but I can't remember the 10 th one.

Andrew Walker

Ryley Dunn

Stiffy, I'm pretty sure it was

David Mundy (Murray Bushrangers) Jul 20, 85 190 cm. 83 kg. Tall, outside key defender who has pace. Is a long, accurate kick and has a cool head under pressure. Spoiling and smothering is exceptional and is capable of going forward. From Seymour FC.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Stiffy, I'm pretty sure it was

David Mundy (Murray Bushrangers) Jul 20, 85 190 cm. 83 kg. Tall, outside key defender who has pace. Is a long, accurate kick and has a cool head under pressure. Spoiling and smothering is exceptional and is capable of going forward. From Seymour FC. Gee definetly a bit of a smoky. topjars said to sign him up in the draft camp invitees thread:o