View Full Version : I Applaud the Western Bulldogs
I must applaud the western bulldogs for their trading today... They traded pick 6 to Hawthorn in excahnge for Veale (who?) I don't know who he is either, but the trade was done upon the principle that Jade Rawlings goes into the pre-season draft where the bulldogs will draft him... I believe this was a great gesture by the Western Bulldogs is great to see amongst all the wheeling and dealing...
In stark contrast are Richmond. They were dogs this week... Withdrawing verbal agreements, offering ridiculous trades... I think the whole football community despise the tigers at the moment...
If what Richmond did was bad for football, then i think what the Western Bulldogs did was great for football...
And as for Jade Rawlings and Nick Stevens, well they are going to the Kennel and Princess Park... Probably the 2 last places they wanted to go, but they shouldn't have been so greedy... I'm sure we would have welcomed one of them at Melbourne, at least we are a half decent club...
I'm so happy, Port is gonna get nothing for their so called superstar stevens. I think Bulldogs also gave out Alvey in all that dealing.
Hawton gets jacobs
Bulldogs get veale? rawlings(in the draft)
Essendon #6 Alvey ( think)
evertonfc
17 Oct 2003, 16:04
Are Carlton giving Port #2 for Adam Morgan?
Borgsta
17 Oct 2003, 16:05
Although i Bulldogs supporter I too must say i am pleased we played in the spirit of the good of the game.
Just hoping Rawlings doesnt put too big a price on his head and we get screwed.
correct me if i am wrong, but i believe both port and hawks can still resign there players before the psd so effectively both may not end up at the bullies and blues, although they are both likely to.
Originally posted by evertonfc
Are Carlton giving Port #2 for Adam Morgan?
i think morgan is at the bullies for a 3rd rounder
if hawthorn resign rawlings then that is the biggest dogs act, worse than richmond... and i doubt stevens would be staying at port after all the trouble he has caused...
basically he wanted to go to collingwood, and they didn't want him...
Ausgard
17 Oct 2003, 16:09
I would prefer to play with the Hawks than with the Bulldogs.
Imagine what would happen if the Hawks then re-signed him - how much would the bulldogs ge in the *#&$
bulletproof
17 Oct 2003, 16:11
You must be joking what the Bulldogs did was underhanded and completly against the players wishes. I hope it backfires and Rawlings puts a massive price on his head and it cripples the joint. I can hardly see Rawlings being thrilled to go to training with a club who has done this to them.
if we get Rawlings, then as a Bulldogs supporter we have redeemed ourselves with our sportmanship. Well done to the Bulldogs for being fair.
pugsville
17 Oct 2003, 16:14
Veale ? Veale?
Look if it's ture the doggies did it on some sort of undertstanding about Rawlings, then it's "action preducial to the draft"
If the bullies have dobe this to look after hawthron they are dead set stoopid.
kriles76
17 Oct 2003, 16:14
Originally posted by Ausgard
I would prefer to play with the Hawks than with the Bulldogs.
Imagine what would happen if the Hawks then re-signed him - how much would the bulldogs ge in the *#&$
Thanks Dogs, saved our arse, must be repayment for taking all those ****kickers off your hands over the past few years - Hunter, Dent, Cox, Baxter.....
I don't think the Hawks would try shaft Footscray because not only would it be a dog act, we can't fit Jade "Millionaire" Rawlings into our cap.
Rawlings is no certainty to go into the pre-season draft anyway.
The Dogs deal is very underhanded, great thinking, but underhanded all the same.
Rawlings may try to screw the Doggies by not even nominating.
brother fish
17 Oct 2003, 16:16
As another bulldogs fan...
we might not have screwed another club, but instead we've (by the sounds of it) screwed a player. Why on earth would he want to give his best for a club who did that to him. Doesn't bode well for next year.
We've also got the danger of having screwed ourselves if his price is too high, he decides to sit it out, stay at Hawthorn, or just not bother.
Jeez, sounds like good business.
Christ, for the first time i'm with gnome on this one (I presume!!)
TigerMal
17 Oct 2003, 16:17
in the spirit of the game, my rear.
The dogs have manipulated the pre-season draft, undoudtedly against Rawlings will.
Brown wanted to go and we compensated the dogs. That's it. Thats trading.
I smell an investigation.
Borgsta
17 Oct 2003, 16:18
Originally posted by Moti
Rawlings is no certainty to go into the pre-season draft anyway.
The Dogs deal is very underhanded, great thinking, but underhanded all the same.
Rawlings may try to screw the Doggies by not even nominating.
Do u honestly think that an AFL footballer would do something this stupid. His career would almost instantly be over.
If he is really ****ed off he can come to the Bulldogs for a year and then demand a trade. There is no way he will not nominate.
kriles76
17 Oct 2003, 16:20
Originally posted by Moti
Rawlings is no certainty to go into the pre-season draft anyway.
The Dogs deal is very underhanded, great thinking, but underhanded all the same.
Rawlings may try to screw the Doggies by not even nominating.
Its hard to "secure your future" if you're not getting paid $370k per year to chase a lump of pig skin around.
Can't see Jade "Millionaire" Rawling joing the dole queue at the CES, can you.
Maybe he'll go to the Mergeroos as an assistant coach. This gets even better.
Originally posted by TigerMal
in the spirit of the game, my rear.
The dogs have manipulated the pre-season draft, undoudtedly against Rawlings will.
Brown wanted to go and we compensated the dogs. That's it. Thats trading.
I smell an investigation.
Yes Brown only wanted to go to richmond for what reason who knows? $ were the same everywhere. No investigation there but one for the rawling deal!
Jim Boy
17 Oct 2003, 16:32
Originally posted by brother fish
As another bulldogs fan...
we might not have screwed another club, but instead we've (by the sounds of it) screwed a player. Why on earth would he want to give his best for a club who did that to him. Doesn't bode well for next year.
It's more Hawthorn screwing Rawlings, Geelong would have offered pretty much the same for Rawlings (pick 7 plus a fringe type or late pick), but Hawthorn obviously decided they wanted to kick Rawlings in the balls and send to a club he didn't want to go to.
GOALden Hawk
17 Oct 2003, 16:32
Dogs obviously did it because Hawthorn had another offer on the table for Rawlings (ie pick 7 from Geelong).
Hawks would have said "either give us pick 6 or we will trade Rawlings and you can't get him". What a shame we then stuffed up.
Gee it would be funny if we did re-sign Rawlings now!
evertonfc
17 Oct 2003, 16:37
I think it's lunacy from the Bulldogs.
I'd much rather Pick #6 + Stevens than Rawlings + Random Dud.
Hawthorn are laughing.
Dry Rot
17 Oct 2003, 16:37
Can someone simply explain to me why the Dogs didn't directly trade Pick 6 for Rawlings?
Originally posted by Dry Rot
Can someone simply explain to me why the Dogs didn't directly trade Pick 6 for Rawlings?
i dont think rawlings wants to go there, what i don't understand is why we didn't trade with geelong and then sent pick 7 to ess for jacobs (+ we should have asked for bolton) or kept the pick
and then ess can do there own pick 6 thingo
I'm disgusted with my club. It's just a pathetic thing to do.
I'm also worried that it's draft tampering.
Have we just placed picks 1 and 4 at risk, as well as the chance of picking up Rawlings? Because the AFL can't not investigate this.
pugsville
17 Oct 2003, 16:54
Without a players agreemnet you cannot trade a player to another club. Rawlings was unwilling to go to the dogs, as Stevens was unwilling to go to carlton. Both may well end up at the clubs of their unchoice.
Ahh. I see now. Hawthorn threatened with teh Geelong Deal, and the Dogs really want a target in forward line so did the deal with hawthorn, but Veale? surely in such a shotgun deal the Dogs could have got someone useful? Even if shotgunned by the possible Geelong deal, unless Veale is some sort of gun, they should have really gotten something more in this trade.
Understand why the dogs were so keen, the club doesnt have forever to get it's act together, a KP marking tall in the forward line just dont fall off the tree. Rawlings in preseason draft was their ony chance.
dogs
Brown, picks 6 , 19 out
in Rawlings (?) Veale, Street, Koops
hmm stil lthink they should have got more.
Thewlis Dish
17 Oct 2003, 16:57
Originally posted by Dry Rot
Can someone simply explain to me why the Dogs didn't directly trade Pick 6 for Rawlings?
I'm assuming Rawlings wouldn't sign a trade agreement, especially as his agent Liam Pickering said last night the only way Rawlings would go anywhere other than North would be through the Pre-season draft. Begs the question whether or not the dogs will get screwed - by either Rawlings only taking a 1 year contract, putting a huge price on his head or simply having a player who clearly doesn't want to be there.
Originally posted by Dry Rot
Can someone simply explain to me why the Dogs didn't directly trade Pick 6 for Rawlings?
Because he doesn't want to play there. A trade deal can only go ahead with the player's consent.
Is that simple enough?
The current deal is "dirty" because the Bulldogs will get him if he nominates for the draft, because once a player nominates he accepts he must go to the team that picks him.
Very clever trading by the Bulldogs. But very shifty by the Hawks.
Originally posted by K9-54
I'm disgusted with my club. It's just a pathetic thing to do.
I'm also worried that it's draft tampering.
Have we just placed picks 1 and 4 at risk, as well as the chance of picking up Rawlings? Because the AFL can't not investigate this.
nothing to worry about, nothing has being done that is wrong, unethical maybe, but not wrong. All the bullies have to say is we rate veale really highly, and thats the end of any investigation, anyway how can the afl interferre with this trade? veale accepted to goto the bullies, and the hawks accepted there offer, whatever happens to rawlings is irrelevant
Rawlings should nominate for the draft, specifying a 1 year contract at $800000 with a verbal agreement with Roos that his next 2 years will be at base salary of 56k.
If anyone else tries to draft him, he does not offer years 2 and 3 at that lower rate and insists on a contract of $800,000.
Yes, it is draft tampering, but hey, if it's good enough for the goose, it's good enough for the gander. Plus, North get him for nothing!
BigCat1
17 Oct 2003, 17:29
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
Gee it would be funny if we did re-sign Rawlings now!
Rawlings is fuming!! At the moment Rawlings would rather play for the Hadfield Hawks than the Hawthorn ones. I hope it was really worth it. In the end Geelong were offering more than the Bulldogs were but they didn't care. I know Rawlings did the dirty on them too, but geez this is manipulative ex-lover kind of stuff. Rawlings was squeezed out by Hawthorn's mis management of their salary cap so it wasn't all his fault.
The Hawks have really done Rawlings over on this one
This is a blatent rort of the rules by the WB and the Hawks but they will get away with it because technically it's legal. I mean who in their right mind would trade pick 6 + Alvey for a guy taken at #65 last year. Why would the Bulldogs want a player who refuses to play in their colours. I know it wouldnt happen at other clubs. Have some dignity and respect for yourself Doggies.
Gilbo_Fan
17 Oct 2003, 17:40
Rawlings didn't want to move down to Geelong anyway. Even though they had sold him on all the on field positives etc he just didn't want to move down there and seemed to be worried about commuting.
Hawthorn didn't want to move him to North for what they offered. The Dogs made them a better offer which they are entitled to. Hawthorn accepted the offer.
Rawlings may not have wanted to go West as his first choice but he will be paid well, stay in Melbourne and there is plenty of good talent out west as was evidenced of how many of our young players other clubs were rumoured to be interested in.
With some talls added through trades and some gun midfielders in the draft perhaps we are on the way back up.