View Full Version : Who Should We Target In The Draft??
Does anyone have any suggestions on who we should target in the draft??
I would like to see us target Adam Hartlett from west adelaide, his tall, quick, athletic and can play down back or forward and his one hell of a nice guy
macca23
19 Oct 2003, 13:23
I'm pretty sure that our #14 pick will be aimed at a KPP who can take a mark.
It will probably be:
Will Gayfer Murray Bushrangers 12.07.85 192 cm. 92 kg. Tall, inside defender who is a hard competitor, reliable and always makes the right decisions. Strong overhead mark. Brother Mick played for Collingwood. From Corowa-Rutherglen.
or
Bill Morrison (Tassie Mariners) 06.06.86 193 cm. 90 kg. Tall, inside key forward who kicked nine goals on debut for North Hobart seniors aged 14. Can play back if needed. AIS-AFL Academy member in 2003. Had an interrupted year with injury. North Hobart FC.
One of these definitely should be avaialable at that pick and both can play forward or back.
Either would be a good pick-up.
It's a real guess after that.
Bockchoy67
19 Oct 2003, 14:19
One of our later picks should be used on Mick Foster.
Known as the "Junkyard Dog", because he always goes in and gets the ball the hard way. He's definitely what Adelaide needs, especially once Roo retires.
He's 176cm tall, and while small, is an extremely talented midfielder. Played for the North Ballarat Rebels this season and won the Best and Fairest. Has got great acceleration and speed, and uses the ball well in even the toughest of circumstances.
Played a blinder at Optus Oval this year, racking up about 31 possesions. A fantastic footballer, and I hope Mick gets drafted by us for a late pick. It'll be worth it.
Stiffy_18
19 Oct 2003, 17:22
Originally posted by macca23
I'm pretty sure that our #14 pick will be aimed at a KPP who can take a mark. After listening to James Fantasia on 5AA with Wilds, my suspicions of the last couple of days have been confirmed. We will pick up a ruckman with #14.
Fanto basically got asked by Greg what happens if we don't get a ruckman in the draft this year and there were none available for the rookie list will we be backed into the conrner come next year's trading period? Fanto's response to that was that was the reason we were not going to trade our 1st round pick this year. We have 2-3 big men in mind that should be available with Pick 14.
Going by Fanto's interview I am sticking with my prediciton that we will select Brent Hall with pick 14 and Eddie Sansbury would come into consideration with pick 61. Fanto also said that we will also try and get a ruckman or 2 on our rookie list which I think its a VERY smart move.
If we get Hall with pick 14 (which is pretty much given) and can Rookie List Clint Dubieniecki and Rowan Andrews from Tassie Mariners, I would be thrilled.
This is what I think our selections might look like
Pick 14:
Brent Hall, 198 cm / 94 (South Fremantle) Tall, inside ruckman with terrific athletic ability and courage. Good below his knees for a tall player. Vice-captain of the WA U/18 Championships team in 2003. AIS-AFL Academy member in 2003. From Williams FC
Pick 31:
Chris Stewart, 193 cm / 80 kg (Northern Knights) Athletic, tall, outside, key defender who is a one-grab player and an accurate kick for goal. Capable of playing in the ruck if needed. AIS-AFL Academy member and Vic Metro representative in 2003. From North Heidelberg FC.
Pick 61:
Eddie Sansbury, 180 cm / 85 kg (Central District) I think he would be a good pick up with pick 61. Still got plenty of work to do with him but he does show signs.
Chris Stewart is a project player. He shows a fair bit of potential and has a lot of raw talent. Plenty to work with but I am not sure if he will be available with pick 31 as there are a lot of clubs looking for talls.
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If we get Hall with pick 14 (which is pretty much given) and can Rookie List Clint Dubieniecki and Rowan Andrews from Tassie Mariners, I would be thrilled.
Pick 61:
Eddie Sansbury, 180 cm / 85 kg (Central District) I think he would be a good pick up with pick 61. Still got plenty of work to do with him but he does show signs.
If we could get Hall, Dubieniecki and Sansbury I would be very happy!
After adding Stevns to the list (KPP defender/forward) if we could also add Parker (tall defender) and the 2 ruckmen mentioned, I'd be pretty impressed.
They may not be superstars, but at least the AFC has had a go at solving our problem areas.
Stiffy_18
19 Oct 2003, 17:44
Originally posted by Jerome
If we could get Hall, Dubieniecki and Sansbury I would be very happy!
After adding Stevns to the list (KPP defender/forward) if we could also add Parker (tall defender) and the 2 ruckmen mentioned, I'd be pretty impressed.
They may not be superstars, but at least the AFC has had a go at solving our problem areas. I thought you would be happy with the selection of Sansbury:)
Personally, I think we backed ourselves into a corner this year. We really should have drafted a ruckman in the last couple of years. We shouldn't have traded pick 20 (which later become pick 18) to the Kangaroos as part of the Carey deal. We should have used that pick on a young ruckman. The year before we should have taken Jamar instead of someone like Finnin. I think our inability for forward planning in the last couple of years has placed us in a position where we have no choice but to take a chance on a ruckman and maybe select him with a pick slightly higher than he might be worth in the first place.
From now on I think we should introduce a policy where we are not allowed to trade our 1st round draft pick unless its for a player who is 22 or under. Otherwise keep it and use it to address your needs OR to select the best available talent.
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I thought you would be happy with the selection of Sansbury:)
Personally, I think we backed ourselves into a corner this year. We really should have drafted a ruckman in the last couple of years. We shouldn't have traded pick 20 (which later become pick 18) to the Kangaroos as part of the Carey deal. We should have used that pick on a young ruckman. The year before we should have taken Jamar instead of someone like Finnin. I think our inability for forward planning in the last couple of years has placed us in a position where we have no choice but to take a chance on a ruckman and maybe select him with a pick slightly higher than he might be worth in the first place.
From now on I think we should introduce a policy where we are not allowed to trade our 1st round draft pick unless its for a player who is 22 or under. Otherwise keep it and use it to address your needs OR to select the best available talent.
Agree on trading first round picks.
Agree on the ruckman situation - been saying it for the past 12 months or more. i am hoping that at the end of next month it wont be an issue for us.
In fairness to AFC they have tried to get young ruckmen - Golding, Herbert, Keating, Gilligan, Angwin but they werent up to it. Except Biglands! We should have held onto Brogan after he trained with us.
The Jamar situation annoyed me. He trained with us and we didnt draft him as a rookie. A week later Angwin quits! If Angwin had of quitted a few weeks earlier we would have got Jamar for sure.
I'll be more than happy to see our first pick go to a ruckman this year. A step in the right direction for AFC. Another good step would be to delist Mr Marsh. :D
Eddie as a Crow! I'd love it!
Stiffy_18
19 Oct 2003, 18:02
Originally posted by Jerome
The Jamar situation annoyed me. He trained with us and we didnt draft him as a rookie. A week later Angwin quits! If Angwin had of quitted a few weeks earlier we would have got Jamar for sure. We couldn't select him as a rookie because he was picked up with No 5 pick in the rookie Draft and our 1st pick was 12 which we used to select Thomas from Central District.
We could have selected Jamar in the pre-season draft but we opted for Trent Hentschel (and I can't blame AFC for that). However, we had a chance to pick him in the National Draft. Lets be honest, Jamar was AA at the U18 championships. A player that is as AA ruckman should be selected in the national draft. We went after Ben Finnin.:(
We need to get a couple of ruckman this year and a good KP prospect.
Hall and another ruckman + Chris Stewart as a KP prospect and I would be VERY happy with our drafting.
|D_J^B_J|
19 Oct 2003, 18:18
Sorry to interrupt, but there is still a spot available for a representative from Adelaide in Bigfooty's Phantom Draft (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90209), which looks likely to be held on November 22 at 6pm WST.
Cheers. ;)
macca23
19 Oct 2003, 18:31
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
We could have selected Jamar in the pre-season draft but we opted for Trent Hentschel (and I can't blame AFC for that). However, we had a chance to pick him in the National Draft. Lets be honest, Jamar was AA at the U18 championships. A player that is as AA ruckman should be selected in the national draft. We went after Ben Finnin.:(
We really did mess up in the 2001 draft which was regarded as the strongest draft of all time.
Although we did get Reilly, that pick could have been used on Brooks, Ladson or Seaby, all of whom were drafted after our pick. Even back then Marsh was already regarded as part of the dud basket with the average Crows fan.
On top of that we traded our 2nd round pick for poor old Ryan Fitzgerald, with virtually no return at all to show for it.
Then we wasted our 3rd round draft pick on Finnin. I mean, what the hell was Finnin. Too short to be a KPP and not mobile enough for a flanker.
We got it right with Schuback at pick 59.
We chose not to take Jamar with our last pick, using that pick in the pre-season for Hentschel.
We had plenty of chances to get it right back in 2001, but we blew it.
Stiffy_18
19 Oct 2003, 20:19
Originally posted by macca23
We had plenty of chances to get it right back in 2001, but we blew it. Let hope we get it right this time around.
I would try and pick up 2 ruckman in this draft. If we can pick up Hall and another ruckman in the draft I would then delist Ben Marsh and get someone else in the pre-season draft. We could do what we did in 2001 with Hentschel. Invite a few youngsters to fight it our for the rookie list and a spot on the senior list via pre-season draft.
If we can pick up 2 ruckman in the draft with our 1st 2 picks, then let Marsh go and he can try his luck in the pre-season draft. If we get only one ruckman, then sign Marsh up for another year.
I know most people are thinking who the hell when i suggested we taarget Adam Hartlett so heres a bit about from the AFL draft camp:
Adam Hartlett, West Adelaide Apr 22, 86kg 192cm
has extremely strong hands and a superb 2nd effort, local product and has been spoken to by almost every AFL club, could be a project player especially with Carey there to help him a long
Stiffy_18
19 Oct 2003, 22:56
I wouldn't mind selecting Llane Spaanderman (199 cm / 100 kg) 17 year old forward from WA. He has a bit of pace and is a good grab. He might be available with our 3rd pick. Not the purest of ruckman BUT as a 17 year old go is good at ground level and can take a grab we could teach him how to be good at ruckwork.
Thoughts??????
Llane Spaanderman East Perth Feb 10, 86 199 cm 100 kg
Tall, outside forward with a strong upper body. Is an excellent mark and has pace. Clean below his knees. WA U/18 representative this year. Originally from Noranda FC.
macca23
19 Oct 2003, 23:39
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I wouldn't mind selecting Llane Spaanderman (199 cm / 100 kg) 17 year old forward from WA. He has a bit of pace and is a good grab. He might be available with our 3rd pick. Not the purest of ruckman BUT as a 17 year old go is good at ground level and can take a grab we could teach him how to be good at ruckwork.
Thoughts??????
Llane Spaanderman East Perth Feb 10, 86 199 cm 100 kg
Tall, outside forward with a strong upper body. Is an excellent mark and has pace. Clean below his knees. WA U/18 representative this year. Originally from Noranda FC.
Named in the WA colts team of the year at CHF, and runner up in the WA colts medal. Definitely worth a punt if he's still around Stiffy.
Stiffy_18
19 Oct 2003, 23:59
Originally posted by macca23
Named in the WA colts team of the year at CHF, and runner up in the WA colts medal. Definitely worth a punt if he's still around Stiffy. Well my line of thinking is that if he doesn't get drafted he has another year at U18 level.
I remember back in 2001 Paul Johnson was overlooked in the draft. He went back to TAC Cup and last year was thought to be a top 10-15 pick but slipped a little and was picked by Eagles in 2nd round.
If he is still available, he would be worth a gamble IMHO. He is well developed for a 17 year old and we could spend a couple of years teaching him the art of ruckwork. Basically you are getting a youngster who can already take a good mark and can get a bit of the ball around the ground. You give him a good fitness base to work with so he can cover the ground a bit more and teach him how to palm the ball.
I reckon this kid could be a smoky:)
naughty monkey
20 Oct 2003, 01:45
Do you think Parry will make it onto the rookie list?
Originally posted by |D_J^B_J|
Sorry to interrupt, but there is still a spot available for a representative from Adelaide in Bigfooty's Phantom Draft (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90209), which looks likely to be held on November 22 at 6pm WST.
Cheers. ;) Stiffy_18, you're our resident draft expert... what are you waiting for? :p
Stiffy_18
20 Oct 2003, 14:24
Originally posted by DaveW
Stiffy_18, you're our resident draft expert... what are you waiting for? :p Time and date don't suit me. My best mates birthday is on that day and we should be partying at that time;)
I am happy for someone else to take over as long as we don't draft the likes of Darren Bradshaw:p
Stiffy_18
20 Oct 2003, 14:25
Originally posted by naughty monkey
Do you think Parry will make it onto the rookie list? I wouldn't be surprised if he was picked up by Port in their 3rd rounf bonanza in the National Draft. I am sure someone will pick him up.
dyertribe
20 Oct 2003, 15:25
I want David Mundy from the Murray Bushrangers...
The kid is a GUN.
Stiffy_18
20 Oct 2003, 15:33
Originally posted by dyertribe
I want David Mundy from the Murray Bushrangers...
The kid is a GUN. You don'y mean GUN in the Nathan Bock caregory????:p
dyertribe
20 Oct 2003, 16:14
dyertribe
(P)AFC, PAMFC, NUFC
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 2175
What the?!!!
I know a certain teal-feeler who is going to get a smack!
_espoir
20 Oct 2003, 18:00
Originally posted by dyertribe
dyertribe
(P)AFC, PAMFC, NUFC
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 2175
What the?!!!
I know a certain teal-feeler who is going to get a smack!
well... someone souldnt let a certain teal-feeler on his computer while logged into his control panel!!
:p :p :D :o hehe
Originally posted by dyertribe
What the?!!!
I know a certain teal-feeler who is going to get a smack! I think you're the one who is whipped.
_espoir
20 Oct 2003, 20:03
Originally posted by DaveW
I think you're the one who is whipped.
;) whip it good......
come to the darkside!!!!! :p :D
Stiffy_18
20 Oct 2003, 23:45
Originally posted by dyertribe
dyertribe
(P)AFC, PAMFC, NUFC
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 2175
What the?!!!
I know a certain teal-feeler who is going to get a smack! ROFL!!!!!!:D Boy you are as good as gone:p
dyertribe
20 Oct 2003, 23:56
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
ROFL!!!!!!:D Boy you are as good as gone:p
Nah... I just shouldn't go to brush my teeth while she's checking her e-mail on my computer... :o
*New custom title*
Originally posted by dyertribe
*New custom title* :D
Stiffy_18
20 Oct 2003, 23:59
Originally posted by dyertribe
Nah... I just shouldn't go to brush my teeth while she's checking her e-mail on my computer... :o
*New custom title* Checked your profile lately?????:p
PAfolwr
21 Oct 2003, 00:06
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Checked your profile lately?????:p
He obviously brushes his teeth more than once a day.
:D
_espoir
21 Oct 2003, 09:48
Originally posted by dyertribe
Nah... I just shouldn't go to brush my teeth while she's checking her e-mail on my computer... :o
*New custom title*
:p
at least i told you i did something!;)
:D
Thunderstruck
21 Oct 2003, 13:31
I agree with u there stiffy, looks pretty good. Hall/Gayfer are the main two im looking at from interstate but also Cosgriff is he is still around. Strong marking forward kicked a bag of 7 and 8 in the TAC cup this year.
Sansbury would be great.
Stiffy_18
21 Oct 2003, 16:14
Originally posted by Thunderstruck
I agree with u there stiffy, looks pretty good. Hall/Gayfer are the main two im looking at from interstate but also Cosgriff is he is still around. Strong marking forward kicked a bag of 7 and 8 in the TAC cup this year.
Sansbury would be great. Not big on Cosgriff. While the kid is talented he is not big enough for KP at AFL level. Only 187 cm.
Porthos
21 Oct 2003, 16:19
Why wouldn't you go for Llane Spaanderman?
Stiffy_18
21 Oct 2003, 16:37
Originally posted by Porthos
Why wouldn't you go for Llane Spaanderman? I would. A 17 year old who is 199 cm and 100 kg who can take a mark and kick a goal. I would be happy if we got him at pick 31. We could also try and turn him into a ruckman
Jars458
23 Oct 2003, 16:40
All this talk of drafting just gave me a new way of getting around the rules.
Get one of our past players to adpot the guy you want before the draft and grab him under the Father/Son rule. Sweet.
Stiffy_18
23 Oct 2003, 16:45
Originally posted by Jars458
Get one of our past players to adpot the guy you want before the draft and grab him under the Father/Son rule. Sweet. Good idea BUT a while ago a particular club tried to do that and there was a rule intorduced by the AFL that makes adopted childred ineligible for the father son rule.
Rehn should have adopted Cooney, Pittman should have adopted Pavlich a few years back, and Jameson should have adopted Ottens. Superstar galore there. No point in refurbishing:p
Jars458
23 Oct 2003, 17:56
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Good idea BUT a while ago a particular club tried to do that and there was a rule intorduced by the AFL that makes adopted childred ineligible for the father son rule.
Rehn should have adopted Cooney, Pittman should have adopted Pavlich a few years back, and Jameson should have adopted Ottens. Superstar galore there. No point in refurbishing:p
That suprises me as that is discrimination plain and simple
What if you had been adpoted when you were a baby in normal circumstances?
Bloddy AFL.
dyertribe
23 Oct 2003, 18:10
Originally posted by Jars458
That suprises me as that is discrimination plain and simple
What if you had been adpoted when you were a baby in normal circumstances?
Bloddy AFL.
It should be for children adopted after the age of 14 which will close any loophole that clubs would like to exploit but allow 'real' adopted children to be covered by the rule.
Better to discriminate than destroy the integrity of the draft.
But yeah, the rule should be that you have to have been adopted before a certain age. If it already isn't. Are you sure you've got this one right, Stiffy?
Stiffy_18
23 Oct 2003, 19:48
Originally posted by DaveW
Better to discriminate than destroy the integrity of the draft.
But yeah, the rule should be that you have to have been adopted before a certain age. If it already isn't. Are you sure you've got this one right, Stiffy? I am not sure about the details but I would expect that there is a certain age limit. I suspect that if the child was adopted prior to certain age he would be eligible.
However, i do know that if say Rehn adopted Cooney, Adam would not be eligible for the father son rule.
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I am not sure about the details but I would expect that there is a certain age limit. I suspect that if the child was adopted prior to certain age he would be eligible.
However, i do know that if say Rehn adopted Cooney, Adam would not be eligible for the father son rule.
Not even if he changed his name to Adam Rehn?? :p
Stiffy_18
23 Oct 2003, 19:51
Originally posted by DaveW
Not even if he changed his name to Adam Rehn?? :p No :(
Thunderstruck
24 Oct 2003, 13:20
Cosgriff 186cm 89kg, thats a good soze for a young kid playing FF. No doubt he will grow another 2cm or so and put on about 5kg. 188cm 94kg is very solid. More useful in the forward line than defence tho, thats where he seems to be more damaging.
Spaanderman is a right talent, 199cm 100kg is a whopping 17 year old. I'd love him here, have to wait and see if he is availble.
The other ruckman besides Parry would be Dabrowski, picks up a fair few touches around the ground, but lacks good hitouts. Maybe worth a punt.
Scoullar = no way