View Full Version : Scott Clayton - staying or going?
Dry Rot
21 Oct 2003, 21:11
Doesn't his contract end with this draft?
Has he re-signed with us?
Anyone know what is happening with him?
OldSchool
21 Oct 2003, 21:15
Originally posted by Dry Rot
Doesn't his contract end with this draft?
Has he re-signed with us?
Anyone know what is happening with him?
I think he is contracted to the end of the year but I am not aware if he is staying or going.
The Hawks and other must be interested but I like our chances of keeping him
My hope is that due to the fact he lay the foundation for a strong Brisbane team but missed out on all the premiership glory, if he has faith in our young players, he may stick around to reap the rewards in the coming years.
If he does leave, however, he will have given us 4 strong years in the draft, along with picks 1 & 4 this year, and I would wish him the best for the future.
Westy_Boy
21 Oct 2003, 21:38
Club has to make his signature their absolute #1 priority.
Captain Sensible
21 Oct 2003, 22:32
Maybe we should draft him instead of Cooney?
OldSchool
21 Oct 2003, 22:45
I have a belief that recruiting managers should not stay at a club long term and I think Clayton will be happy to sign up for another two years and then assess the situation at the end of 2005.
He could also be looking to move into other area's of the club.
Dry Rot
21 Oct 2003, 23:24
Originally posted by Westy_Boy
Club has to make his signature their absolute #1 priority.
Absolutely agree.
rioli17
21 Oct 2003, 23:40
Originally posted by Dry Rot
Doesn't his contract end with this draft?
Has he re-signed with us?
Anyone know what is happening with him?
I wished he came with Nathan Brown, I voted to lock our recruiting "guru" Beck up during the U18 carnival, he's like a kid with a loaded gun with draft choices in hand
GOALden Hawk
22 Oct 2003, 11:22
So he is definitely out of contract? If so I want Hawthorn to throw the kitchen sink at him, we have to be aggressive in getting a good recruiting manager.
But I bet we go for one of Schwab's buddies instead.
Porthos
22 Oct 2003, 11:26
I dare say the Crows will have a good talk.
SCRAY72
22 Oct 2003, 11:36
Have to make every effort to keep him for another two years remember he was at Brisbane for 8 years and look at them now.
On another matter, now that Judas has left do we have any Kleiman draftees left on the list? I can't think of any.
The Doctor
22 Oct 2003, 11:45
Originally posted by SCRAY72
Have to make every effort to keep him for another two years remember he was at Brisbane for 8 years and look at them now.
On another matter, now that Judas has left do we have any Kleiman draftees left on the list? I can't think of any.
Brad Johnson
Luke Darcy under father/son rule
Paul Dimmatina in pre season draft
Matthew Robbins and Simon Garlick were traded into the club.
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PLayers still on the list brought to us from recrutiing staff prior to the evil one are
Chris Grant, Matthew Croft, Scott West, Rohan Smith
SCRAY72
22 Oct 2003, 11:57
Originally posted by The Doctor
Brad Johnson
Luke Darcy under father/son rule
Paul Dimmatina in pre season draft
Matthew Robbins and Simon Garlick were traded into the club.
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PLayers still on the list brought to us from recrutiing staff prior to the evil one are
Chris Grant, Matthew Croft, Scott West, Rohan Smith
Brad Johnson was picked up at about 11, and a few players picked ahead of him didn't make it so we are fortunate to get him.
Darce, would have got him regardless of who was doing the recruiting.
Gave up too much for Robbins.
Number 2 1961
22 Oct 2003, 21:38
CC is the biggest asset we have in our Football department.
Offer him life membership to stay I say!
In regards to the assistant coach, I would like to see us get someone who has Park'os or Lethals experience under him!
O'donnell?
the ghost of alby smedts
22 Oct 2003, 23:07
Kleiman as much as anyone is responsable for our current position
He was an utter failure as a recruiting officer.
I can only remember one worse judge of talent at the club in recent years and thats Wallace.
Neither of these 2 had any idea how to build a successful side.
blah..blah
22 Oct 2003, 23:12
For interest this is the current player list and where they have come from including a few that have since gone.
I'm missing Scott West, bubba and someone else who slips my mind for the moment, can't find where they came from.
Pretty good trading apart from garlic for simon black, but hey sydney traded him to brisbane for simon hawking and brent green in 97 I think.
Just as an interesting stat 28 of the current list have been at the club for 4 or less years, not including our new list of veale, koops, morgan, street plus rawlings ? and also not including the delisting we know of Nick Bruton,Brent Colbert,Marcus Picken. (about even anyway)
Alvey and brown both longer than 4 years.
Scott Clayton has been at the dogs for five years and at Brisbane for eight years before that, I think given brisbanes success you'd keep him going.
Player Draft yr and type Pick or/and trade
Tim Walsh (2002)-National 4
Cameron Faulkner (2002)-National Traded by St Kilda for Luke Penny, draft selection 17
Will Minson (2002)-National 20
Brad Murphy (2002)-National 33
Scott Bassett Draft (2002)-National Scott Bassett Draft choice 35 traded by Hawthorn for Kingsley Hunter
Cameron Wight (2002)-National 49
Nicholas Bruton (2001)-Pre-Season 7
Sam Power (2001)-National 10
Kieran McGuinness (2001)-National 42
Brent Colbert (2001)-National 57
Brian Harris (2001)-National 71
Daniel Bandy (2001)-National Traded by Fremantle for Craig Ellis, draft selection 26 (Aaron Rogers)
Marcus Picken (2001)-National Traded by Brisbane for draft selection 49 (Josh Houlihan)
Jordon McMahon (2000)-National 10
Shane Birss (2000)-National 26
Daniel Cross (2000)-National 56
Wayde Skipper (2000)-National 70
Ben Harrison (2000)-National Traded by Richmond for draft selection 41 (Andrew J. Krakouer)
Robert Murphy (1999)-National 13
Danny Giansiracusa (1999)-National 32 (Draft choice 32 traded by Brisbane for Michael Martin)
Patrick Wiggins (1999)-National 35 (Draft choice 35 traded by Melbourne for Stephen Powell)
Mitchell Hahn (1999)-National 37 (Draft choice 37 traded by Richmond for Leon Cameron)
Lindsay Gilbee (1999)-National 43
Patrick Bowden (1999)-National 58
Ryan Hargrave (1999)-National 66 (Draft choice 66 traded by Richmond for Leon Cameron)
Nathan Eagleton (1999)-National Traded by Western Bulldogs for Brett Montgomery, draft selection 28 (Brent Guerra)
Mark Alvey (1997)-National 18 (Draft choice 18 traded by Fremantle for Daniel Hargraves)
Simon Garlick (1997)-National Traded by Sydney for draft selection 31 (Simon Black)
Matthew Robbins (1997)-National Traded by Geelong for draft selection 15 (Joel McKay), draft selection 38 (James Rahilly)
Nathan G. Brown (1996)-National 10
Paul Dimattina (1995)-Pre-Season 26
Brad Johnson (1993)-National 11
Luke Darcy (1992)-National Father-Son
Matthew Croft (1989)-National 2
Chris Grant (1988)-National 105
Captain Sensible
22 Oct 2003, 23:40
Originally posted by blah..blah
For interest this is the current player list and where they have come from including a few that have since gone.
I'm missing Scott West, bubba and someone else who slips my mind for the moment,
Mate thats a brilliant job to list our players on waht they cost us in draft selections. Good work.
Given that you have listed other players who have been delisted-Bruton, Picken-I am assumming the player you have missed is Steve Kretiuk and he was a local zone selection from St Albans. Rohan Smith was also a local zone selection from Kingsville. Scott West I believe was the last player we ever picked up as a local zone selection and was from Keilor or Essendon Grammer I cant remember.
I think these local zones allowed clubs to pick up a set number players from their old local areas for a few years after the introduction of the draft and were discontineud in 1991 or 1992.
blah..blah
22 Oct 2003, 23:59
Originally posted by localyokel
I am assumming the player you have missed is Steve Kretiuk and he was a local zone selection from St Albans. Rohan Smith was also a local zone selection from Kingsville. Scott West I believe was the last player we ever picked up as a local zone selection and was from Keilor or Essendon Grammer I cant remember.
I think these local zones allowed clubs to pick up a set number players from their old local areas for a few years after the introduction of the draft and were discontineud in 1991 or 1992.
Argh yes kreters he leaves and is instantly forgotten, sorry old chap.
The timing is about right on westy and co and would explain why I can't find anything.
Westy_Boy
26 Oct 2003, 09:46
Today's Herald Sun, Scott Plamer:
"Bulldog recruiting manager Scott Clayton has greatly enhanced his reputation with his successes in the trading period and has other clubs - four I'm reliably told - looking closely at him. The former Fitzroy star and Brisbane Lions football manager falls out of contract after this year's national draft and should be one of the key personell the Bulldogs rush to sign. I suspect that if they're tardy, Clayton will be offered an elevated post at another club on the rise."
For anyone who doubts how important Clayton's signature is, all I'll say is this:
Talent on your list is the #1 factor in determining how successful the team is.
The draft is the #1 factor in determining the talent on your list.
The chief recruiter has the most influence on how successful your drafting is.
Therefore: In this day and age where the only avenue for players to get onto a senior list is the draft, the quality of your recruiting manager has a massive influence on your premiership hopes.
At the moment, we've got one of the top 5 recruiters in the country - whether he's first, fifth or anywhere in between is up to debate, but he's right up there as one of the best in his field and having someone of that quality at the club is a major asset - the club has to do everything within it's power to hold on to him, because if we lose him and end up appointing a dud in his place, we can kiss any chance this club ever had of winning a flag goodbye.
OldSchool
26 Oct 2003, 11:18
Originally posted by Westy_Boy
For anyone who doubts how important Clayton's signature is, all I'll say is this:
Talent on your list is the #1 factor in determining how successful the team is.
The draft is the #1 factor in determining the talent on your list.
The chief recruiter has the most influence on how successful your drafting is.
Therefore: In this day and age where the only avenue for players to get onto a senior list is the draft, the quality of your recruiting manager has a massive influence on your premiership hopes.
At the moment, we've got one of the top 5 recruiters in the country - whether he's first, fifth or anywhere in between is up to debate, but he's right up there as one of the best in his field and having someone of that quality at the club is a major asset - the club has to do everything within it's power to hold on to him, because if we lose him and end up appointing a dud in his place, we can kiss any chance this club ever had of winning a flag goodbye.
Agree that Clayton is a main contributor to the club and if we sign him for the next 2 or 3 years then it wil be a positive step for the club. I would suggest that we have a very good chance of doing it
Originally posted by OldSchool
Agree that Clayton is a main contributor to the club and if we sign him for the next 2 or 3 years then it wil be a positive step for the club. I would suggest that we have a very good chance of doing it
I would hope that you are right OldSchool.
If Scott Clayton left, knowing our luck we'd probably end up with a Mark Kleiman clone:(
HK_Bulldog
26 Oct 2003, 12:12
Originally posted by OldSchool
Agree that Clayton is a main contributor to the club and if we sign him for the next 2 or 3 years then it wil be a positive step for the club. I would suggest that we have a very good chance of doing it
He's the most experienced football person we have at the club. Considering the bulldogs can't attract any players (even Beaumont refused to join us) the only way is the draft. In terms of talent identification and list management, he is crucial to the club given the inexperience of Rhode et al.
I'll give you the tip. Gary Buckenara will be the new recruiting officer at Hawthorn next year.
Borgsta
26 Oct 2003, 13:23
Originally posted by HK_Bulldog
He's the most experienced football person we have at the club. Considering the bulldogs can't attract any players (even Beaumont refused to join us) the only way is the draft.
When did Beaumont refuse to join us? Which proposed trade was that part of?
scooter600x
26 Oct 2003, 15:36
Originally posted by HK_Bulldog
(even Beaumont refused to join us)
Not true. Beaumont refused to go to Port.
We were (quite rightly) not interested in a 189cm 28 yo.
Borgsta
26 Oct 2003, 15:43
good i thought we were never after him
HK_Bulldog
26 Oct 2003, 23:07
Originally posted by Borgsta
When did Beaumont refuse to join us? Which proposed trade was that part of?
I never said we wanted Beaumont. He was part of the proposed Nick Stevens trade. Port had to ontrade him and Beaumont said that he was happy to join any Victorian Club except for Western Bulldogs and Geelong.
Captain Sensible
27 Oct 2003, 09:10
Originally posted by HK_Bulldog
I never said we wanted Beaumont. He was part of the proposed Nick Stevens trade. Port had to ontrade him and Beaumont said that he was happy to join any Victorian Club except for Western Bulldogs and Geelong.
I dont think you can on-trade a player. Once you have traded for him you are stuck with him. You can on-trade draft picks but you cant pass on a draft pick you have traded for.
Originally posted by localyokel
I dont think you can on-trade a player. Once you have traded for him you are stuck with him. You can on-trade draft picks but you cant pass on a draft pick you have traded for.
It can be done in one big trade, involving in 3 clubs or more.
Captain Sensible
27 Oct 2003, 09:42
Originally posted by nguyen
It can be done in one big trade, involving in 3 clubs or more.
Are you sure Nguyen? I am pretty certain I read different during the trade period.
Originally posted by localyokel
Are you sure Nguyen? I am pretty certain I read different during the trade period.
You cannot on trade your new player, as you said. However, my understanding is that you can get away with this rule by combining these trades in to one. For example, the trade involves Loats/Clark/Beaumont could have started as Hawthorn traded Loats for Clarke and then on trade Clarke for Beaumont.
Of course, you have to make these trades a the same time, and log to the AFL as one big trade.
Westy_Boy
7 Nov 2003, 16:31
http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=126215
Unfortunately 'happy as a dog with two dicks' smilies aren't available on bigfooty, so these will have to do:
:):):):):D:D:D:D
Doggie Boy
7 Nov 2003, 16:38
Originally posted by Westy_Boy
http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=126215
Unfortunately 'happy as a dog with two dicks' smilies aren't available on bigfooty, so these will have to do:
:):):):):D:D:D:D
Sweet. :D :D :) :)
Originally posted by Westy_Boy
http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=126215
Unfortunately 'happy as a dog with two dicks' smilies aren't available on bigfooty, so these will have to do:
:):):):):D:D:D:D
Fantastic news...
Gnome Murphy
7 Nov 2003, 17:02
Hear it comes
A postive post from the Gnome
Well done doggies and good work in kepping Scott
HK_Bulldog
7 Nov 2003, 17:26
Right up there as one of the most important signings ever at the club.
With very little experience on the coaching panel, Clayton stands out like a beacon not just for his recruiting skills but list management and football management.
Gnome Murphy
7 Nov 2003, 18:20
Spot in Hk
Rumour is that a Mcdonalds trainee has more experience than our coaching staff
doggies40
7 Nov 2003, 18:29
Originally posted by Westy_Boy
http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=126215
Unfortunately 'happy as a dog with two dicks' smilies aren't available on bigfooty, so these will have to do:
:):):):):D:D:D:D
Thats more fantastic news for our club, seems like we are getting lots of good news off the field, now its up to the players next yeah to keep that good news going on the field, which im sure they will.
Anja_Nees
7 Nov 2003, 18:46
Originally posted by Gnome Murphy
a Mcdonalds trainee has more experience than our coaching staff
Trainee? I would have thought Wallace would have at least made store manager by now.
Johnno 6
7 Nov 2003, 18:51
The best news i've heard and now for Rawlings signature.
Captain Sensible
7 Nov 2003, 18:53
Originally posted by Westy_Boy
http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=126215
Unfortunately 'happy as a dog with two dicks' smilies aren't available on bigfooty, so these will have to do:
:):):):):D:D:D:D
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeehah
The word 'unfortunately' belongs nowhere in that sentence.
I'll organize the street parade.:cool:
Simply fantastic news.
Next we need Carlton to go for Walker, Dees to go for Bradley and we get Sylvia.
The Doctor
7 Nov 2003, 19:25
Originally posted by Dry Rot
Simply fantastic news.
Next we need Carlton to go for Walker, Dees to go for Bradley and we get Sylvia.
I'm delighted to hear this news.
Clayton must believe in what he and the club are doing together and the direction they are heading.
Good work by the club and Scotty. I'm a very happy Doc!
OldSchool
7 Nov 2003, 20:05
Originally posted by Dry Rot
Simply fantastic news.
Next we need Carlton to go for Walker, Dees to go for Bradley and we get Sylvia.
It is great news not just because he is a great recruiting manager but because he is such a good person around the club.
Now if we can just get Sylvia ;)
Gnome Murphy
7 Nov 2003, 21:40
Originally posted by Anja_Nees
Trainee? I would have thought Wallace would have at least made store manager by now.
No he tryed to charge 55 cents for an Ice cream cone instead of the 30 cents and when the manager asked why he did that he replied "Never say Never'
I know it makes no sense at all but Im really bored at the moment .
Captain Sensible
7 Nov 2003, 21:47
Originally posted by Gnome Murphy
I know it makes no sense at all but Im really bored at the moment .
You have a baby and there isnt enough to do?
Gnome Murphy
7 Nov 2003, 22:00
Local im ceasing the moment
Didnt say I was bored for a long time just at that present moment.
Yes I have lots to do local and thanks for your concern
Captain Sensible
7 Nov 2003, 22:04
Originally posted by Gnome Murphy
Local im ceasing the moment
Didnt say I was bored for a long time just at that present moment.
Yes I have lots to do local and thanks for your concern
My concerns are entirely sympathetic, believe me.:D
he is going to stay for 2 more years
Dogs recruiter re-signs (http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=126215)
whythelongface
8 Nov 2003, 09:46
Originally posted by nguyen
he is going to stay for 2 more years
Dogs recruiter re-signs (http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=126215)
Great news for the club. Things are looking even brighter for next season.
The only way we can get Sylvia i think will be if Calrton take Tenace at #2. Melbourne would most probably take Walker with #3 leaving us with Sylvia. We can only hope. Although i still wouldnt be disapointed if we got Ray.
Kretiuk #35
10 Nov 2003, 16:09
Originally posted by nguyen
he is going to stay for 2 more years
Dogs recruiter re-signs (http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=126215)
Looks like we've forfilled our #1 priority
Next is a guy called Jade Rawlings...
PS - Is his wife hot by any chance?