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Victoria dismissed Queensland for a modest 212 and didn't even attempt to go for the extra point.
Just content to dawdle their way to the target, despite losing only one wicket up til the 38 over mark, getting there in 47 overs.
Yawn.
That's sure to bring the crowds flocking to domestic cricket.
Fall Out Boy
16 Nov 2003, 15:14
Whilst the bonus point would have been nice, we're more than happy to just take the win.
Obviously the best result for the cricket public was the bonus point, however at times you need to assure the win first.
Oh, DaveW see Jon Moss was MOTM? ;)
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Oh, DaveW see Jon Moss was MOTM? ;) Yes. Good domestic cricketer.
Fall Out Boy
16 Nov 2003, 15:29
........who hasn't been given at opportunity to prove himself at the next level. No?
Milenko
16 Nov 2003, 15:34
I thought QLD had an abundance of quicks. Obviously not when they're wheeling out Shane Jurgensen. Even WA and TAS gave him away!!
What ever happened to Scott Muller?
WILKO_6
16 Nov 2003, 16:38
Chris Simpson looked pretty good. Got great turn off the pitch.
Fall Out Boy
16 Nov 2003, 16:42
Originally posted by WILKO_6
Chris Simpson looked pretty good. Got great turn off the pitch.
Yep, very impressive.
Sad this is, he's likely to fade back into obscurity once Hauritz returns.
Teams like SA could do worse then attempt to get this guy at seasons end.
Simpson can bat too, so there's no reason why he can't stay in Queensland side as an all-rounder.
Originally posted by DaveW
Victoria dismissed Queensland for a modest 212 and didn't even attempt to go for the extra point.
Just content to dawdle their way to the target, despite losing only one wicket up til the 38 over mark, getting there in 47 overs.
Yawn.
That's sure to bring the crowds flocking to domestic cricket.
The win is more important. The pitch wasn't all that good to bat on.
Concur with the comments about the difficult pitch.
From my seat 13 rows back (and 4 rows in front of the bloke who took the catch for the $600), it looked a difficult one.
ScouseCat
16 Nov 2003, 19:48
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Whilst the bonus point would have been nice, we're more than happy to just take the win.
2 wins from 3 games is a much better effort from Victoria, especially after last season where we were pathetic in the ING Cup.
However, I will admit that we've been lucky to draw Queensland twice while they're missing Hayden, Maher, Symonds and Bichel on international duty while we're only missing Ian Harvey.
Originally posted by WILKO_6
Chris Simpson looked pretty good. Got great turn off the pitch.
Shame he's a sh*thouse runner between the wickets.He nearly got runout 1st ball,then eventually got runout backing up way to far.
Originally posted by ScouseCat
while we're only missing Ian Harvey.
Have you forgotten about "Hollywood" already ?
Originally posted by ScouseCat
2 wins from 3 games is a much better effort from Victoria, especially after last season where we were pathetic in the ING Cup.
However, I will admit that we've been lucky to draw Queensland twice while they're missing Hayden, Maher, Symonds and Bichel on international duty while we're only missing Ian Harvey.
And Kaspa...and while Noffers and Haurie are injured...:p
Speaking of injuries, why didn't Carlsedine play today?....ok answered my own question, back injury.
Black Thunder
16 Nov 2003, 23:16
P&P, do you honestly believe that Jon Moss should be given the chance at the next level??
He has to prove himself over a much longer period.
ATM, He is a good grade cricket (did very well in his period for Manly till he moved to vic 2 seasons ago) who is currently doing well at Interstate level.
He is the equivalent of Shawn Bradstreet - the only difference being, Moss has delivered reasonably well at Interstate level, but no wear near enough over a long enough period to be given a shot at the next level.
Bombers_Forever
17 Nov 2003, 05:24
Originally posted by ScouseCat
2 wins from 3 games is a much better effort from Victoria, especially after last season where we were pathetic in the ING Cup.
However, I will admit that we've been lucky to draw Queensland twice while they're missing Hayden, Maher, Symonds and Bichel on international duty while we're only missing Ian Harvey.
Well done Victoria- completely outplayed us in every aspect of the game. You have been lucky in the draw but that is no excuse for us. If they can repeat that performance against NSW and WA, they will be a real chance.
The problem with our line up is that is has plenty of batting (right down to 9) but they did not make enough runs. PLenty of startrs but not good enough. We only had 4 bowlers and did not have the depth to do what Victoria did. If we scored 250 plus, we would have had the chance. Simpson is rated highly in QLD- he needs to work on his running between wickets but his bowling was very good. Unlucky not to get a wicket. Joe Dawes should have opened the bowling- Hopes did nothing in those opening overs when we needed a wicket. MacKenzie should have opened with Dawes- they were the only two bowlers who looked like taking a wicket. I can't understand Love's tactics.
Once again, well done Vics. Agree that it was a boring game to watch.............
ScouseCat
17 Nov 2003, 06:01
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Have you forgotten about "Hollywood" already ?
I haven't forgotton about Shane Warne, but we already knew we'd be without him until February, so I didn't include him in the list of players missing.
I thought Cameron White did well though, only conceeding 35 runs in his 10 overs.
goaldrush
17 Nov 2003, 07:15
To answer your question DaveW, no the bonus point was introduced so that any team that was batting second could reach the total before the 40th over.
Fall Out Boy
17 Nov 2003, 07:37
Originally posted by Black Thunder
P&P, do you honestly believe that Jon Moss should be given the chance at the next level??
At Australia A level, yes.
The guy has been excellent for 18 months now, winning our Shield Cricketer of the Year and averaging 37 with the bat, and 26 with the ball.
Find me an all-rounder out of the Aussie picture who has better figures.
Obviously he isn't in contention for the main squad, but his form at least warrants consideration for Australia A honours.
ScouseCat
17 Nov 2003, 08:33
Originally posted by goaldrush
To answer your question DaveW, no the bonus point was introduced so that any team that was batting second could reach the total before the 40th over.
That's not the reason why the bonus point was introduced, that is how to earn the bonus point. It was introduced to make the games more entertaining when a team batting first makes a low score, or when a team batting second has no chance of winning, but still has something to play for, trying to deny their opposition the bonus point.
You know, a score of 213 in 40 overs is roughly equivalent to about 260 in 50 overs. That's gettable, but it's risky on a pitch that isn't perfect. You can see from the Queensland innings that a good, fast start didn't translate into to a big score, and that's probably because they tried to push the scoring along on a pitch (and with a softening ball) that wasn't conducive to it.
For Victoria, the options were pretty simple: either risk losing by going for an extra point, or make sure of the win.
It's cricket, DaveW. Even in the hit-and-giggle version, teams still like to win, and their fans like to see them win. I can't imagine why any Victorian would care how quickly the runs come. To complain that they didn't do it fast enough is carping.