Bigfooty's Official Phantom Draft 2003 - Final Draft Order

[|D_J^B_J|]

Final Draft Order:

PRIORITY:

1. Western Bulldogs - Adam Cooney
West Adelaide 30-Sep-85 186cm 81kg

2. Carlton - Colin Sylvia
Bendigo 8-Nov-85 183cm 82kg

3. Melbourne - Andrew Walker
Bendigo 18-May-86 189cm 83kg


ROUND 1:

4. Western Bulldogs - Kepler Bradley
West Perth 13-Nov-85 198cm 88kg

5. Melbourne - Kane Tenace
Murray 4-Jul-85 181cm 80kg

6. Essendon - Ricky Dyson
Northern Knights 28-Sep-85 181cm 75kg

7. Geelong - Raphael Clarke
St Marys (NT) 24-Sep-85 189cm 78kg

8. St Kilda - Fergus Watts
Sandringham 21-Sep-85 193cm 86kg

9. Kangaroos - Troy Chaplin
North Ballarat 23-Feb-86 193cm 85kg

10. Fremantle - Farren Ray
Peel Thunder 20-Mar-86 182cm 75kg

11. West Coast - Ryley Dunn
Murray 7-Oct-85 182cm 81kg

12. Fremantle - Brock McLean
Calder 11-Mar-86 182cm 86kg

13. Essendon - Jacob Surjan
South Fremantle 15-Aug-85 180cm 75kg

14. Adelaide - Billy Morrison
Tassie Mariners 6-Jun-86 193cm 90kg

15. Port Adelaide - William Gayfer
Murray 12-Jul-85 192cm 91kg

16. Sydney - David Mundy
Murray 20-Jul-85 190cm 83kg

17. Collingwood - Daniel McConnell
Eastern Ranges 21-Jun-86 190cm 83kg

18. Brisbane Lions - Llane Spaanderman
East Perth 10-Feb-86 199cm 100kg


ROUND 2:

19. Fremantle - Matthew Moody
South Fremantle 22-Sep-85 187cm 80kg

20. West Coast - Beau Waters
West Adelaide 30-Mar-86 185cm 83kg

21. Richmond - Tim Schmidt
West Adelaide 14-Mar-86 178cm 79kg

22. Geelong - Jay Nash
Central Districts 21-Dec-85 185cm 75kg

23. Brisbane Lions - Michael Pettigrew
West Perth 16-Mar-85 192cm 80kg

24. Kangaroos - Luke Peel
Sandringham 26-Jun-86 187cm 84kg

25. Hawthorn - Chris Stewart
Northern Knights 12-Feb-86 193cm 80kg

26. West Coast - Michael Johnson
Perth 20-Oct-84 194cm 92kg

27. Fremantle - Matthew Spencer
Swan Districts 17-Jan-85 193cm 88kg

28. Essendon - Callum Burges
West Perth 15-May-86 185cm 80kg

29. Sydney - David Trotter
NSW/Calder 4-Mar-86 185cm 77kg

30. Port Adelaide - Tom Logan
Waratahs - Darwin 2-Jul-85 185cm 76kg

31. Adelaide - Brent Hall
South Fremantle 7-Jan-86 198cm 94kg

32. Collingwood - Brayden Shaw (father/son)
Northern Knights 16-Sep-85 180cm 84kg

33. Brisbane Lions - Jake Furfaro
Mt Gravatt (Qld) 4-Feb-85 185cm 87kg


ROUND 3:

34. Port Adelaide - Josh Willoughby
Glenelg 11-Jan-86 176cm 69kg

35. Collingwood - Jed Adcock
North Ballarat 15-Nov-85 184cm 83kg

36. Melbourne - Chris Johnson (father/son)
East Fremantle 25-Jan-86 189cm 78kg

37. Richmond - Tom Roach (father/son)
Oakleigh 2-Sep-85 182cm 73kg

38. Geelong - Mark Blake (father/son)
Geelong Falcons 9-Sep-85 198cm 94kg

39. Port Adelaide - Alex Gilmore
Tassie Mariners 29-Jun-86 180cm 66kg

40. Kangaroos - Adam Bentick
Calder 13-Jun-85 184cm 79kg

41. Hawthorn - Julian Rowe
Oakleigh 25-May-85 186cm 72kg

42. Geelong - Brad Symes
Central Districts 7-Mar-85 185cm 75kg

43. Fremantle - Brett Peake (father/son)
East Fremantle 5-Jul-83 183cm 80kg

44. Essendon - Ryan Murphy
Gippsland 24-May-85 192cm 80kg

45. Sydney - Brent Stanton
Northern Knights 1-May-86 180cm 76kg

46. Port Adelaide - Ben Clifton
Calder 5-Apr-85 191cm 84kg

47. Sydney - Nick Potter
Pennant Hills (NSW) 12-Jun-85 180cm 78kg

48. Collingwood - Heath Shaw (father/son)
Northern Knights 27-Nov-85 181cm 77kg

49. Brisbane Lions - Paul Richardson
Swan Districts 25-May-86 183cm 81kg


ROUND 4:

50. Western Bulldogs - Darren Brackenridge
North Adelaide 21-Jan-85 187cm 81kg

51. Hawthorn - Josh Moore
Eastern Ranges 190cm 77kg

52. Melbourne - Aaron Davey
Port Melbourne 10-Jun-83 180cm 75kg

53. Richmond - Kyle Archibald
NSW/ACT Rams 23-Feb-86 190cm 86kg

54. Geelong - Adam Jordan
Northern 29-May-85 191cm 91kg

55. St Kilda - Adam Campbell
North Ballarat 25-Jan-85 192cm 76kg

56. Kangaroos - Ben Cosgriff
Murray 19-Aug-85 186cm 89kg

57. Carlton - Zac Dawson
Calder 22-Feb-86 194cm 86kg

58. Adelaide - Harry Miller
Port Magpies 11-Jun-85 174cm 75kg

59. Sydney - PASS

60. Collingwood - PASS

61. Brisbane Lions - Josh Bartel
Murray 23-Apr-85 191cm 72kg


ROUND 5:

62. Western Bulldogs - Joel Campbell
Alice Springs 21-Dec-85 187cm 73kg

63. Carlton - Dylan Pfitzner
Central Districts 13-Apr-85 195cm 80kg

64.Richmond - Andrew Eriksen
Sandringham 17-Jul-85 203cm 90kg

65. St Kilda - Nick Kane
Eastern Ranges 4-Sept-85 187cm 84kg

66. Kangaroos - Shane Morrison
Brisbane Lions 10-Jan-81 193cm 81kg

67. Adelaide - PASS

68. Brisbane Lions - Shane Harvey
Essendon 3-Jan-83 176cm 70kg


ROUND 6:

69. Carlton - Laughlan McGhie
Western Jets 19-Mar-86 195cm 97kg

70. Richmond - Sam Pleming
Gippsland 5-Aug-85 191cm 89kg

71. St Kilda - Andrew McQualter
Gippsland 9-Jun-86 178cm 68kg


ROUND 7:

72. Carlton - Stephen Paxman
Port Adelaide 4-Dec-70 188cm 94kg

73. Richmond - Kane Taylor
Dandenong 10-Apr-85 190cm 70kg

74. St Kilda Craig Callaghan
St Kilda 9-Mar-76 172cm 80kg


ROUND 8:

75. Carlton - PASS

76. Richmond - Daniel Batson
North Ballarat 8-May-86 201cm 86kg

77. St Kilda - PASS


ROUND 9:

78. Carlton - PASS

79. Richmond - Paul Koulouriotis
Port Adelaide 21-Feb-82 184cm 85kg


ROUND 10:

80. Carlton - PASS


ROUND 11:

81. Richmond - Cam Illet
Port Magpies 12-Mar-85 180cm 80kg


ROUND 12:

82. Richmond - Leigh Burke
Bendigo 15-Feb-86 189cm 83kg

[|D_J^B_J|]

And just so you know who to blame (or praise) -

Representatives:

Adelaide: DaveW
Brisbane Lions: RoyLion
Carlton: Porthos*
Collingwood: Porthos*
Essendon: Bozza, Hosko, Marcuz, Stevo
Fremantle: |D_J^B_J|
Geelong: BigCat1, Falconer02
Hawthorn: GOALden Hawk
Kangaroos: year of the roo
Melbourne: Lamby29, dees_best
Port Adelaide: Russian
Richmond: Weaver
St Kilda: Porthos*
Sydney: Waspy
West Coast: Sera, southjoy
Western Bulldogs: The Doctor

*via default*

[anonymous Joe]

In reality I don't think there's anyway Essendon will draft dyson @ 6

[|D_J^B_J|]

In reality, I also can't see WC overlooking Burges as I don't think he'll last past the first round.

Also, I can't see Spaanderman being taken in the first round.

[TheSheik]

72. Carlton - Stephen Paxman
Port Adelaide 4-Dec-70 188cm 94kg


NO FRIGGIN' WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheSheik]

63. Carlton - Dylan Pfitzner
Central Districts 13-Apr-85 195cm 80kg

64.Richmond - Andrew Eriksen
Sandringham 17-Jul-85 203cm 90kg

65. St Kilda - Nick Kane
Eastern Ranges 4-Sept-85 187cm 84kg

66. Kangaroos - Shane Morrison
Brisbane Lions 10-Jan-81 193cm 81kg


Yeah sure !!

Carlton overlook Shane Morrison in favour of Epileptic Fitzner ???

You blokes are on drugs !!!

[DaveW]

Morrison was a sneaky pick.

He won't be in the national draft apparently.

[macca23]

Originally posted by DaveW
Morrison was a sneaky pick.

He won't be in the national draft apparently.

Where did you get that from Dave??

[DaveW]

Originally posted by macca23
Where did you get that from Dave??
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1516605#post1516605

[|D_J^B_J|]

Looking at the draft list again, I think Geelong, Sydney and Adelaide did particularly well.

Although, I think it's unlikely that Trotter will last to 29 on Saturday, meaning Sydney will need to make a decision whether take the local boy with their first pick like they did last year, or address their immediate concerns by taking a key positional player and miss out on Trotter.

Adelaide did well to snare Morrison at 14 and Hall at 31, but I also can't see Hall lasting until 31 on Saturday.

And year of the roo was sneaky in selecting Shane Morrison when he knew he wasn't nominating for the national draft...

From Freo's point of view, other than Surjan not slipping to 19, I'm fairly happy with Ray, McLean, Moody and Spencer.

Notable omissions include Luke Herrington (Dandenong), Paul Duffield (South Fremantle), Brett Jones (Claremont), Dean Chester (North Ballarat), Leigh Ryswyk (Southport - Qld), Alistair Neville (Oakleigh), Brent Bususto (South Fremantle), Craig Jovanovic (South Fremantle) Matthew Priddis (Subiaco), Adam Hartlett (Wester Adelaide) and Josh Krueger (Glenelg).

Having said that, I think the most interesting outcome from Saturday will be to see where Callum Burges is taken, which could be anywhere from six to twenty.

[Porthos]

Originally posted by TheSheik
72. Carlton - Stephen Paxman
Port Adelaide 4-Dec-70 188cm 94kg


NO FRIGGIN' WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[The Doctor]

Originally posted by |D_J^B_J|
Notable omissions include Luke Herrington (Dandenong), Paul Duffield (South Fremantle), Brett Jones (Claremont), Dean Chester (North Ballarat), Leigh Ryswyk (Southport - Qld), Alistair Neville (Oakleigh), Brent Bususto (South Fremantle), Craig Jovanovic (South Fremantle) Matthew Priddis (Subiaco), Adam Hartlett (Wester Adelaide) and Josh Krueger (Glenelg).


I think Jason Whitehead was the most notable ommission imo. I would have taken him with one of the late picks had we been in short supply of talls.

I was surprised Joel Campbell slipped to 62. I had a Sturt midfielder Michael Sumner ready for that pick but couldn't pass up on Campbell.

[YAKUZA]

Originally posted by |D_J^B_J|

From Freo's point of view, other than Surjan not slipping to 19, I'm fairly happy with Ray, McLean, Moody and Spencer.

Notable omissions include Luke Herrington (Dandenong), Paul Duffield (South Fremantle), Brett Jones (Claremont), Dean Chester (North Ballarat), Leigh Ryswyk (Southport - Qld), Alistair Neville (Oakleigh), Brent Bususto (South Fremantle), Craig Jovanovic (South Fremantle) Matthew Priddis (Subiaco), Adam Hartlett (Wester Adelaide) and Josh Krueger (Glenelg).

Having said that, I think the most interesting outcome from Saturday will be to see where Callum Burges is taken, which could be anywhere from six to twenty.

I feel that you are being extremely kind to include Brent Bosustow as a notable omission and I think that you will find Duffield on the Fremantle list after Saturday.

[Dingster]

North would pick Harvey before Morrison. Harvey is training with us now and wants to play with his brother. There was another player who wanted to play with his bro at North recently...although his name has escaped me.;)

[Sera]

Will be interesting to compare our draft to Matt Burgans (comes out on Thursday) and see who compares better come the weekend.

[marcuz]

I certainly have new found respect for the AFL recruiting men. That was bloody hard work last night. Even harder for the guys making the real picks come draft day as its the future of their clubs on the line.

[the oggmonster]

This phantom draft is miles off the mark.

Dyson will not be going to Essendon with pick 6 or 13, and will be a late 1st/early second round pick. McLean will go to Melbourne at pick 5. Walker will be 2 and Sylvia 3. Farren Ray 4. Bradley/Tenace to essendon with 6. Beau Waters will go first round most likely before pick 13 and David Trotter will not get past first round. Stanton could be a smoky and go late first but definitley in the top 30. Brent Hall to Adelaide at 14.

The most intriguing selections will be the WCE and Fremantle at 10, 11 and 12. They will need to decide between going for home-grown talent (Surjan, Spencer, Moody, Burges) or whether they go for the Victorian boys. If they go for the local boys we could see guys like Chaplin, Waters, Trotter, Morrison, Dyson etc all fall through to late first round picks.

[marcuz]

This phantom draft is miles off the mark.

Dyson will not be going to Essendon with pick 6 or 13, and will be a late 1st/early second round pick. McLean will go to Melbourne at pick 5. Walker will be 2 and Sylvia 3. Farren Ray 4. Bradley/Tenace to essendon with 6. Beau Waters will go first round most likely before pick 13 and David Trotter will not get past first round. Stanton could be a smoky and go late first but definitley in the top 30. Brent Hall to Adelaide at 14.

The most intriguing selections will be the WCE and Fremantle at 10, 11 and 12. They will need to decide between going for home-grown talent (Surjan, Spencer, Moody, Burges) or whether they go for the Victorian boys. If they go for the local boys we could see guys like Chaplin, Waters, Trotter, Morrison, Dyson etc all fall through to late first round picks.

Got this saturdays tatts numbers as well?....moron

:rolleyes:

Just a tip..the draft hasnt started yet fool. And i doubt apart from the top 4 or 5 that anything is etched in stone

[Porthos]

Originally posted by Sera
Will be interesting to compare our draft to Matt Burgans (comes out on Thursday) and see who compares better come the weekend. Here's the comparison (http://users.bigpond.com/tropin/draft/phantomdraftcomparisons.htm) for the one we did in 2001, if its of interest.

Amusingly the Bigfooty one probably did best at picking the good ones earlier.

[the oggmonster]

Originally posted by marcuz
Got this saturdays tatts numbers as well?....moron

:rolleyes:

Just a tip..the draft hasnt started yet fool. And i doubt apart from the top 4 or 5 that anything is etched in stone

I wouldn't be calling me a moron. You after all, were one of the recruiters who had us getting Dyson and Surjan in the Top 13. Not a chance in hell. The Top 5 is etched in stone (see "The Offical Top 5" thread). But you and many other ignorant things have failed to take note of this order. I have given it to you all on a platter.

[bulletproof]

You should be concerned Marcuz if you think the Oggmonster is a moron, he plays a key role in the draft and recruiting at your club. He was actually responsible for the dons taking big bad bustling Courtney Johns ( i read his report at the time) still think he is a moron.

Thanks for the info Oggy.

[marcuz]

I wouldn't be calling me a moron. You after all, were one of the recruiters who had us getting Dyson and Surjan in the Top 13. Not a chance in hell. The Top 5 is etched in stone (see "The Offical Top 5" thread). But you and many other ignorant things have failed to take note of this order. I have given it to you all on a platter.

Wrong again..i didnt get on bigfooty untill our third pick so i had no say with the top 2. Although i would have picked dyson with 13 as i have seen him play many times and rate him very highly.

Dyson with his pace and ability to use the footy is exactly what we need. Tenace falling to 6 would be nice but it aint going to happen.

[marcuz]

You should be concerned Marcuz if you think the Oggmonster is a moron, he plays a key role in the draft and recruiting at your club. He was actually responsible for the dons taking big bad bustling Courtney Johns ( i read his report at the time) still think he is a moron.

Thanks for the info Oggy.



Just when you think you have heard it all......

[YAKUZA]

Originally posted by bulletproof
You should be concerned Marcuz if you think the Oggmonster is a moron, he plays a key role in the draft and recruiting at your club. He was actually responsible for the dons taking big bad bustling Courtney Johns ( i read his report at the time) still think he is a moron.

Thanks for the info Oggy.


And if my Grandmother had balls she'd be my Grandfather.

[bulletproof]

All will be revealed on sat afternoon, and when it is i vote they put on the Oggmonster in charge of this forum and sack that port power toss.

[sammyg]

Guy's don't worry about these two "Brain Surgeons", Oggmonster and Bulletproof. They have no credibility as Pattyroo can attest to.

Speaking of which we could do with some of Pattyroo's insights because, "if the rumors true, it's from Pattyroo."

[anonymous Joe]

Originally posted by bulletproof
You should be concerned Marcuz if you think the Oggmonster is a moron, he plays a key role in the draft and recruiting at your club. He was actually responsible for the dons taking big bad bustling Courtney Johns ( i read his report at the time) still think he is a moron.

Thanks for the info Oggy.

I find this hard to believe unless of course oggmonster is Adrian Dodoro is real life.

[southjoy]

Originally posted by the oggmonster
I wouldn't be calling me a moron. You after all, were one of the recruiters who had us getting Dyson and Surjan in the Top 13. Not a chance in hell. The Top 5 is etched in stone (see "The Offical Top 5" thread). But you and many other ignorant things have failed to take note of this order. I have given it to you all on a platter.


Bulletproof - The Oggmonster may and could be as important as you summise:BUT if I was at Essendon and I had a VIP calling fans ignorant things then I would be speaking to said VIP and asking him to "Please explain".
I can certainly understand the Oggmonster being upset at being called a moron, but you do state " you AND MANY OTHER IGNORANT THINGS".
Lighten up and I for one am interested in reading your comments and opinions just as I am reading other peoples opinions.

I thought the Phantom Draft was a fun excersise and will most likely be quite different from the real deal. Porthos was sensational in his efforts and did well as a proxy for three clubs - which would naturally of changed things as well.

[Stevo]

Originally posted by the oggmonster
This phantom draft is miles off the mark.

Dyson will not be going to Essendon with pick 6 or 13, and will be a late 1st/early second round pick. McLean will go to Melbourne at pick 5. Walker will be 2 and Sylvia 3. Farren Ray 4. Bradley/Tenace to essendon with 6. Beau Waters will go first round most likely before pick 13 and David Trotter will not get past first round. Stanton could be a smoky and go late first but definitley in the top 30. Brent Hall to Adelaide at 14.

The most intriguing selections will be the WCE and Fremantle at 10, 11 and 12. They will need to decide between going for home-grown talent (Surjan, Spencer, Moody, Burges) or whether they go for the Victorian boys. If they go for the local boys we could see guys like Chaplin, Waters, Trotter, Morrison, Dyson etc all fall through to late first round picks.

The purpose of the phantom draft was not to apply what rumours we've heard, it was for the supporters to make their own decision based on what they know of the players and their club.

Given that you have not provided any evidence for your claims - apart from the usual snide "we'll see on Saturday" - I will retain the right to say bollocks. Of course, we'll see on Satuday. ;)

[Stevo]

Originally posted by southjoy
Bulletproof - The Oggmonster may and could be as important as you summise:BUT if I was at Essendon and I had a VIP calling fans ignorant things then I would be speaking to said VIP and asking him to "Please explain".
I can certainly understand the Oggmonster being upset at being called a moron, but you do state " you AND MANY OTHER IGNORANT THINGS".
Lighten up and I for one am interested in reading your comments and opinions just as I am reading other peoples opinions.

I thought the Phantom Draft was a fun excersise and will most likely be quite different from the real deal. Porthos was sensational in his efforts and did well as a proxy for three clubs - which would naturally of changed things as well.

Agreed, Southjoy.

You're right, kudos must be given to Porthos for doing three clubs. The four of us found it hard enough to do one club. :D

[the oggmonster]

Originally posted by Stevo
The purpose of the phantom draft was not to apply what rumours we've heard, it was for the supporters to make their own decision based on what they know of the players and their club.

Given that you have not provided any evidence for your claims - apart from the usual snide "we'll see on Saturday" - I will retain the right to say bollocks. Of course, we'll see on Satuday. ;)

The problem with all this is that there are very few blokes who actually know what is going. There are many who read all these player profiles and phantom drafts and base their opinions on them rather than having any of their own thoughts.

[marcuz]

Originally posted by bulletproof
All will be revealed on sat afternoon, and when it is i vote they put on the Oggmonster in charge of this forum and sack that port power toss.

Why do i get the feeling bulletproof is Mrs Oggmonster

[marcuz]

The problem with all this is that there are very few blokes who actually know what is going. There are many who read all these player profiles and phantom drafts and base their opinions on them rather than having any of their own thoughts.

And im not one..Ive seen enough TAC cup footy over the last couple of years to make an honest assesment on most of these kids.

[Stevo]

Originally posted by the oggmonster
The problem with all this is that there are very few blokes who actually know what is going. There are many who read all these player profiles and phantom drafts and base their opinions on them rather than having any of their own thoughts.

I agree somewhat. I saw a fair few TAC matches this year, but all I know about players from other states, and quite a few of the Victorian players, is from other people's experience.

The problem is that we simply don't have the resources to know everything we should, which always makes an exercise such as this slightly frivolous.

But it was never intended to be extremely precise or serious.

[ThePope]

Originally posted by marcuz
And im not one..Ive seen enough TAC cup footy over the last couple of years to make an honest assesment on most of these kids.

But can you compare Dunn to Surjan? Or McLean to Burgess? Or Chaplin to Johnson? I'm guess that you can do so only by what you've read, not what you've seen.

I'm not having a go at you Marcuz, I just think anyone who critisizes anyone else's opinion in this sort of thing is either on an ego trip or just picking fights. Have a discussion, put up cases for or against players, but everyone should lay off the personal insults.

If someone reckons that they know exactly what's going to happen, let them think that... but did anyone here know that Schammer would last to 13 last year? Considering even Freo didn't think it would happen, how would any one, even someone very close to a club, have more than a rough idea on what's going to happen.
No one picked the brownlow three way tie and no one will know exactly what the 1st round picks will be... not even the recruiters.

We'll all find out in 4 days time... and then we can start arguing about the preseason and rookie drafts!

[Porthos]

Actually, I'll be busy arguing that Player X was a steal at pick #15 and that pick #39 is a potential GUN.

I expect I'll also conclude that the Crows screwed up with pick #14 because James Fantasia is no good, and I'll probably question Carlton's decision to draft Player Y at #2.

[evo]

Weaver-I can't believe after all your research you've gone and picked the smallest dude in the draft with our all important #21.

[Weaver]

Originally posted by evo
Weaver-I can't believe after all your research you've gone and picked the smallest dude in the draft with our all important #21.

Tim Schmidt is a best and fairest calibre centreman. He has a wonderful record at under 16 level and looks a very good option. I felt that he was too good to pass over for a run-of-the-mill bigman. Basically because I knew that Richmond would need to take lots of big blokes that would probably be duds, I wanted one good pick in the bag so that we would get at least one player out of the year. I was also confident that there were some big blokes late that would be OK.

After that it was all about big blokes. I favoured the guys who had played junior CHF over the pure defenders in most cases. Unfortunately most of the guys were Ben Harrison type winger / utilities more than a genuine KF. However the hope was that get 3-4 of them and hope one turns out OK.

Eriksen and Batson are both 200cm+ ruckmen. As Peter Street showed this year, even if you don't get much football from these raw bigmen, you can often on-trade them for a 2nd round pick in 3-4 years time which would be a good result from such late picks. Ottens will be first choice for 6-8 years and Stafford is good for 2 more so these kids have plenty of development time as 2nd - 3rd stringers (if they are good enough).

Archibald, Pleming, Taylor and Burke are all 190cm which gives us 4 utility talls, plus a preseason draft pick for another tall option. Those 4 guys are very mobile bigmen who can play in a variety of positions.

A senior winger in Koulouriotis and I have a soft spot for Cam Illett.

Koulouritiotis will play straight away. Schmidt will develop into a good midfielder in 3 years. Fingers crossed that one of the 6 bigmen is good and another handy. Really all we can realistically hope for.

[CammoAU]

No Doug Scott or Matt Burns??

[evo]

Ok weaver,thanks for your well thought out answer.I just feel the pipsqueek is the last thing we need at Richmond. I've only seen these guys once each at the most,thats why I'm grilling you.

I'm interested in your view on a couple of what u describe as Harrisson like players thats you passed up that others seem to rate. ie Luke Peel,Callum Burgess,Michael Pettingrew

[Weaver]

Originally posted by evo

I'm interested in your view on a couple of what u describe as Harrisson like players thats you passed up that others seem to rate. ie Luke Peel,Callum Burgess,Michael Pettingrew

Luke Peel at 187cm is a very good player but not a KP option more a flanker, similarly Burgess is 185cm and a midfielder. Pettigrew I think is a pure full-back, spoiling is his main assett.

The guys I went for are 190cm+ and so have some KP potential. They are also junior forwards so hopefully if they don't make the grade they can at least have the fall-back option of playing fullback.

I don't for one moment expect any of them to be taken by Richmond. Richmond's last picks will include old guys like Betheras, Ablett, Fletcher, O'Keefe, DePasquale ... all the guys we have at training.

[GOALden Hawk]

I totally agree with marcuz - Having watched a fair bit of underage footy this year I already had a lot more respect for the recruiters, but after last night you can double that.

We were just having a bit of fun, yet the number of times I changed my mind over that hour or so was amazing.

In reality if I was recruiting for Hawthorn I probably would have chosen Hall or Spencer at 25 - but with nothing on the line I decided to gamble on Stewart. In 5 years time this thread might make me look very silly or like a genius.

Delighted to get Rowe at 41 - I was targeting him all along, and I believe he will go earlier on Saturday.

Found pick 51 very tough. My original plan was Willoughby, and then either Herrington, Miller or Chester. However the need for height is probably too great so I decided to punt on Moore. I'll just have to take Chester and Kenna in the rookie draft. ;)

Oggmaster - you are probably right, this draft will be nothing like Saturday. But neither will me my phantom draft, or Matt Burgan's, or anyones. It's a movable feast.

And if Dyson goes at 20 rather than 6, but in 5 years time is starring, who is correct then? It doesn't matter if you are pick 1 or 81, you have the same opportunity to make it.

[Stevo]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
In reality if I was recruiting for Hawthorn I probably would have chosen Hall or Spencer at 25 - but with nothing on the line I decided to gamble on Stewart. In 5 years time this thread might make me look very silly or like a genius.

Let's hope it pans out that way on Saturday and Stewart falls to us. We were filthy with you when you picked him, even more filthy when Johnson went at 26, and if it were at all possible to be even more filthy, we were, when Spencer went at 27. :D

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by Stevo
Let's hope it pans out that way on Saturday and Stewart falls to us. We were filthy with you when you picked him, even more filthy when Johnson went at 26, and if it were at all possible to be even more filthy, we were, when Spencer went at 27. :D

It must be so frustrating on draft day when the player you want gets taken the pick before - be funny if a club just yelled "you barstards!"

BTW - Apparently the Knights resumed training yesterday and Stanton and Stewart both turned up to participate in the time trial. Stanton came 1st, Stewart finished a mile behind everyone else in last.

[Porthos]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
It must be so frustrating on draft day when the player you want gets taken the pick before - be funny if a club just yelled "you barstards!" At the 2000 draft when Collingwood picked Shane Wakelin at #50 (just before Port at #51), Joe the cameraman or whoever can be clearly heard saying "Thats stuffed Port up."

Is Stewart going to be another Josh Dicketts?

[Stevo]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
BTW - Apparently the Knights resumed training yesterday and Stanton and Stewart both turned up to participate in the time trial. Stanton came 1st, Stewart finished a mile behind everyone else in last.

That's the risk, I suppose.

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by bulletproof
You should be concerned Marcuz if you think the Oggmonster is a moron, he plays a key role in the draft and recruiting at your club. He was actually responsible for the dons taking big bad bustling Courtney Johns ( i read his report at the time) still think he is a moron.

Thanks for the info Oggy.

Same Oggmonster who said that Daniel Motlop was "signed and sealed" for Essendon?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88855&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

Originally posted by the oggmonster
Motlop is sealed signed and delivered to the Dons. Bulletproof was spot on in the earlier thread in this regard. In fact, both brothers were very close to being trade to the dons last year given they were disheartened with their treatment. Apparantly the boys idolise Michael Long at Essendon, and given how much they know Sheeds loves the aboriginal boys, Daniel decided to approach the dons to arrange a trade. You will see this eventuate on day 4 of trade week mark my words.

It's hard to believe that someone working in recruiting for a club that is as professionally run as Essendon would allow someone to post "inside recruiting information" on an internet site.

By the way, there is an Essendon staff member that I know who does read BigFooty.....if Oggmonster really did work for Essendon in a recruiting capacity, I reckon Sheeds and co. would have sent you to the nearest unemployment office by now.

[bozza]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
BTW - Apparently the Knights resumed training yesterday and Stanton and Stewart both turned up to participate in the time trial. Stanton came 1st, Stewart finished a mile behind everyone else in last.

Any other results you know of Goalden?

[SpecialBruce]

Originally posted by DaveW


He won't be in the national draft apparently.

That's because he's ****.

[Murray]

Heath Shaw at 190 cms sh1t that's what I call a growth spurt. He was listed as 180 cm just last month.

[sammyg]

Oggmonster has gone very quiet. Me thinks he may have had his head pulled in by the club.

Also where is Mrs Oggmonster?

[waspy]

Just thought I'd dig this up to see how we all went. All these guys have had three years in the system now, we're able to make a call on who would have done well if they were the recruiting manager.

Freo did well, Sydney also ;) (Stanton at 45, Mundy and Trotter).

Port, Dees, Saints (only one high pick though), Dogs, Brisbane and Essendon a bit dodgy (although I'd love Ryan Murphy on our list)

Would Carlton have prefered Sylvia in hindsight?

[SA Blue]

Interesting.

With Sylvia, I would still prefer Walker, but that is laways going to be debated. Interesting that McLean fell so low, but the most interesting was Davey being picked by Melbourne at pick 52! That was some pick.

[Porthos]

Actually, I'll be busy arguing that Player X was a steal at pick #15 and that pick #39 is a potential GUN.

I expect I'll also conclude that the Crows screwed up with pick #14 because James Fantasia is no good, and I'll probably question Carlton's decision to draft Player Y at #2. Just for the record....

Troy Chaplin was a steal at #15
Robert Forster-Knight was not a potential GUN
Adelaide did screw up by drafting Fergus Watts at #14 because James Fantasia is no good.
I still question Carlton's decision to draft Andrew Walker at #2.

As for my picks...
#2 Carlton - Colin Sylvia
#8 St Kilda - Fergus Watts (oh, the irony)
#17 Collingwood - Daniel McConnell (to West Coast at #26)
#35 Collingwood - Jed Adcock (to Brisbane at #33)
#57 Carlton - Zac Dawson (drafted by Hawks at #41)
#63 Carlton - Dylan Pfitzner (rookie listed by St Kilda)
#65 St Kilda - Nick Kane
#69 Carlton - Laughlan McGhie
#71 St Kilda - Andrew McQualter (drafted by St Kilda in 2004 at #17)
#72 Carlton - Stephen Paxman
#74 St Kilda - Craig Callaghan (drafted by St Kilda at #65)

So instead of Billy Morrison and Brent Hall, Collingwood get Daniel McConnell and Jed Adcock. Eddie, I'm available to take over Collingwood's recruiting, just send a PM and I'll get back to you.

[sabre_ac]

If only we picked up Farren Ray instead of Dunn..

Taking Murphy with pick 12 at first seemed a little strange considering he wasnt rated that highly...Happy with the pick now though

[HBF]

Just for the record....

I still question Carlton's decision to draft Andrew Walker at #2.

Did you see him this year mate?

[Porthos]

Hardly the sort of player you really need when you're rebuilding.

[TheGeneral]

Perhaps a crap side should target Daniel Motlop and Nathan Lonie as part of their rebuilding process. :cool:

Sylvia has done jack.

[HBF]

^^^ Ouch!!

[Porthos]

Perhaps a crap side should target Daniel Motlop and Nathan Lonie as part of their rebuilding process. :cool: I can't believe that you as a Carlton fan think you have any comeback that won't get you smacked down.

How about I just refer to your entire list post-1995 and leave it at that.

[LukeHodge15]

Sydeny Recruiter Waspy did well with his selctions that were available.

Probably the best outa the lot

[TheGeneral]

I can't believe that you as a Carlton fan think you have any comeback that won't get you smacked down.
Murphy was the best young player in the AFL this year and your little club will always be the poor relation of the Crows.
How about I just refer to your entire list post-1995 and leave it at that.
We made the Grand Final in 1999 and we were the second best side in the AFL in 2000. :cool:

Are you aware of anything outside of Poort Adelaide?

One time winners shouldn't throw stones.

[waspy]

Sydeny Recruiter Waspy did well with his selctions that were available.

Probably the best outa the lot
He sure did. :p

[Sylvia Saint]

Just thought I'd dig this up to see how we all went. All these guys have had three years in the system now, we're able to make a call on who would have done well if they were the recruiting manager.

Freo did well, Sydney also ;) (Stanton at 45, Mundy and Trotter).

Port, Dees, Saints (only one high pick though), Dogs, Brisbane and Essendon a bit dodgy (although I'd love Ryan Murphy on our list)

Would Carlton have prefered Sylvia in hindsight?
Davey pick 52? Smarter than all 16 club recruiters there!

[waspy]

Davey was a good get. The other Melbourne picks were fairly ordinary though. Walker and Tenace <<<<< Sylvia and McLean

This phantom draft is miles off the mark.

Dyson will not be going to Essendon with pick 6 or 13, and will be a late 1st/early second round pick. McLean will go to Melbourne at pick 5. Walker will be 2 and Sylvia 3. Farren Ray 4. Bradley/Tenace to essendon with 6. Beau Waters will go first round most likely before pick 13 and David Trotter will not get past first round. Stanton could be a smoky and go late first but definitley in the top 30. Brent Hall to Adelaide at 14.

The most intriguing selections will be the WCE and Fremantle at 10, 11 and 12. They will need to decide between going for home-grown talent (Surjan, Spencer, Moody, Burges) or whether they go for the Victorian boys. If they go for the local boys we could see guys like Chaplin, Waters, Trotter, Morrison, Dyson etc all fall through to late first round picks.

Pretty much spot on oggmonster!

[Tim_#8]

I know that Melbourne didnt want Tenace they thought he was too lazy and never gave 100%.

[Crow-mo]

doesn't this really just show that nobody knows anything?

[Oggy's cousin]

The purpose of the phantom draft was not to apply what rumours we've heard, it was for the supporters to make their own decision based on what they know of the players and their club.

Given that you have not provided any evidence for your claims - apart from the usual snide "we'll see on Saturday" - I will retain the right to say bollocks. Of course, we'll see on Satuday. ;)

Did we see on Saturday??

[bulletproof]

Oggy not only did you pick the draft order you highlighted bargains in the draft in Waters and Stanton. You truly are a marvel.