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GOALden Hawk
20 Nov 2003, 09:58
...hasn't turned up yet.
Porthos
20 Nov 2003, 10:01
I hate you, Milkman Dan.
Lockyer24
20 Nov 2003, 10:02
Burger needs to get a move on
GOALden Hawk
20 Nov 2003, 10:12
Originally posted by Lockyer24
Burger needs to get a move on
He probably just realised David Kellett may not go top 10 after all.
Nah, apart from that blunder he has a pretty good track record as he gets to talk to the clubs. He nailed Boyle at 51 last year, that's a very good get.
I wish he would hurry up too.
What's this then?...hmmn
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=127275
Porthos
20 Nov 2003, 10:23
Good get, Tonka.
The man is clearly on drugs. 4 junior midfielders for Port, and only one tall?
GOALden Hawk
20 Nov 2003, 10:26
For Hawthorn:
25. Luke Peel - Be fairly happy with this.
41. Shane Tuck - Bit of a stretch, but could be worth it.
51. Matthew Ball - This would not surprise me at all. Libba has been pushing Bally really hard and we could do with a tagger.
But this would mean just 1 underage pick, pretty ordinary as we only had 3 last year.
Tenace, Mclean, Dyson are three very good picks for essendon if thats how it pans out. I admit to knowing **** all about Hartlett
Originally posted by Tonka
What's this then?...hmmn
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=127275
Are you sure that's Burgan's article, I cannot find any reference to his name and it is in a different format to every other year?
NorthBhoy
20 Nov 2003, 10:45
You can tell when he has some inside info on the probability of a club picking up a certain player.
Seems we are hell bent on Chaplin for the soon to be vacant CHB role. Jed Adcock would be a great choice if only for the name.
Apart from that link there is no other way to access that page currently on AFL.com.au....somebody has been doing some hacking
It's massivley Victorian biased again. There is more to Australia than just Victoria.....:mad:
GOALden Hawk
20 Nov 2003, 10:50
Originally posted by dasler
Are you sure that's Burgan's article, I cannot find any reference to his name and it is in a different format to every other year?
I reckon it is - they have uploaded it but were planning on officially "releasing" it this afternoon. The formatting is still stuffed.
Be funny if it wasn't the right one though.
Some big sliders, Stewart, Gayfer and Spencer in particular. Julian Rowe would be an absolute bargain in the 70's for the Tigers.
Crows will be in trouble if Freo do take Hall at 12 - have to go for Ericksen.
For all the hype of Surjan and Burgess they are both outside the top 20.
Any surprise omissions? Ben Cosgriff and Luke Herrington for mine.
GOALden Hawk
20 Nov 2003, 10:52
Originally posted by dasler
It's massivley Victorian biased again. There is more to Australia than just Victoria.....:mad:
How so? I think you are forgetting that 10 of the clubs are Victorian, and if it's a line ball decision they will go for the local kid everytime.
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
How so? I think you are forgetting that 10 of the clubs are Victorian, and if it's a line ball decision they will go for the local kid everytime.
Oh ofcourse I agree with that, but alot of WA players going lower, way lower than their quality suggests versus Victorian players.
I dunno GH, we'll see Saturday I suppose.
Porthos
20 Nov 2003, 10:58
Symes -and- Nash
Miller -and- Sansbury
That just makes no sense.
ThePope
20 Nov 2003, 10:58
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=127279
A bit of browsing (ie changing the articleid #) found the above link, which is the same draft without the detailed descriptions (ie players and clubs only.)
And
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=127282
Has detailed descriptions of the first round only and the heading:
The 2003 mock National AFL Draft
11:05:36 AM Thu 20 November, 2003
Matt Burgan
afl.com.au
NorthBhoy
20 Nov 2003, 10:59
I just read your opinion of Jed Adcock GoaldenHawk.
Sold me.
Get him Nev!!! His name is Jed!!!
GOALden Hawk
20 Nov 2003, 11:09
Originally posted by jonty
It is up now.
Probably made to put it up after it was leaked!
If Jed goes one pick before Hawthorn's I will be upset. Especially as we could have had picks 9 and 24 (Chaplin and Adcock) for Rawlings.
bulletproof
20 Nov 2003, 11:10
Not a bad attempt apart from Dunn at pick 5, that is a howler swap Mclean for him and you are getting close.
NorthBhoy
20 Nov 2003, 11:11
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
Probably made to put it up after it was leaked!
If Jed goes one pick before Hawthorn's I will be upset. Especially as we could have had picks 9 and 24 (Chaplin and Adcock) for Rawlings.
Why get Chaplin when you have Jacobs!?!?!?!
Sorry.
;)
ThePope
20 Nov 2003, 11:13
Just to remind you how he went last year..
Picked 53 players (including five father/sons) of the 69 players selected in the draft. (53-5)/(69-5)=75%
Missed 16 players that were drafted.
Predicted 20 passes and 19 passes were taken.
Only two players from the first 44 predictions of the phantom draft were not drafted. 4.5%
Picked eight of the top ten including four in exact order.
To me, whilst this may have be due to the Carlton draft pick bans and Schammer dropping down lower than expected, it shows that whilst most people agree on who the top picks are, where they are heading is still up in the air.
Picked 11 players of the first round (15 selections) including four in exact order. 73% and 26% exact
Selections exactly correct 26 (10 players/16 passes) 10/64=15.6%
Correct club and player/wrong selection 5
Players who were predicted to be drafted yet did not get selected
1. David Kellett (26)
2. Ryan Crawford (39)
3. Courtney Johns (45)
4. Robbie Cheevers (46)
5. Daniel Gilmore (48)
6. Luke Mullins (50)
7. Joel MacDonald (53)
8. Dylan Harper (55)
9. Paul Shelton (59)
10. Matthew Shir (61)
11. Ricky Mott (63)
12. Ryan Ablett (64)
13. Michael Osborne (65)
14. Adrian Wilson (69)
15. Jason Cripps (79)
Players who were drafted yet were not predicted in the phantom draft
1. Will Minson (20)
2. Jared Rivers (26)
3. Brad Murphy (33)
4. Tim Fleming (41)
5. Leigh Fisher (46)
6. Cameron Wight (49)
7. Cameron Hunter (54)
8. Wade Champion (57)
9. David King (58)
10. Brett Doswell (63)
11. Lochlan Veale (65)
12. Ryan Ferguson (66)
13. Matthew Lokan (70)
14. Brad Fisher (72)
15. Karl Norman (79)
16. Mick Martyn (84)
Weaver/Porthos/Dasler/GOALden Hawk etc... can you see a common theme in why these guys were missed or picked? I know that quite a few of those not picked ended up on rookie lists, but were they generally light, small, injury prone etc?
mick ryan
20 Nov 2003, 11:14
I just can't comprehend all the hype about this, I mean is the guy any more of an expert than some of those who have posted Phantom Drafts on here?
Porthos
20 Nov 2003, 11:20
Originally posted by mick ryan
I just can't comprehend all the hype about this, I mean is the guy any more of an expert than some of those who have posted Phantom Drafts on here? He has more access to talk to club recruiters.
ThePope
20 Nov 2003, 11:20
Unlike most people here who might have a good idea about one club's intentions, or one competetion (ie Goalden Hawk - TAC and U18 Champs, but little on WAFL colts, Dasler a lot on WAFL colts but probably not much on TAC or what Geelong is wanting etc..), Burger apparantly has access to all clubs. Whether they feed him the truth or what they want to be out there... we'll know in a couple of days time!
GOALden Hawk
20 Nov 2003, 11:25
Originally posted by ThePope
Players who were predicted to be drafted yet did not get selected
1. David Kellett (26)
2. Ryan Crawford (39)
3. Courtney Johns (45)
4. Robbie Cheevers (46)
5. Daniel Gilmore (48)
6. Luke Mullins (50)
7. Joel MacDonald (53)
8. Dylan Harper (55)
9. Paul Shelton (59)
10. Matthew Shir (61)
11. Ricky Mott (63)
12. Ryan Ablett (64)
13. Michael Osborne (65)
14. Adrian Wilson (69)
15. Jason Cripps (79)
Players who were drafted yet were not predicted in the phantom draft
1. Will Minson (20)
2. Jared Rivers (26)
3. Brad Murphy (33)
4. Tim Fleming (41)
5. Leigh Fisher (46)
6. Cameron Wight (49)
7. Cameron Hunter (54)
8. Wade Champion (57)
9. David King (58)
10. Brett Doswell (63)
11. Lochlan Veale (65)
12. Ryan Ferguson (66)
13. Matthew Lokan (70)
14. Brad Fisher (72)
15. Karl Norman (79)
16. Mick Martyn (84)
Weaver/Porthos/Dasler/GOALden Hawk etc... can you see a common theme in why these guys were missed or picked? I know that quite a few of those not picked ended up on rookie lists, but were they generally light, small, injury prone etc?
Of those he selected but weren't drafted some were just plain ridiculous (Kellett and Crawford were late picks AT BEST). Apparently it came down to Veale and Osborne for the last spot, we got Ossie anyway. Most of the players he missed were either recycled or players I would describe as footballers not athletes (ie Mullins, Kellett, Johns).
Those that were drafted but he didn't select were fair enough I reckon. Looking through that list only Brad Murphy and Brad Fisher were ones I would have predicted beforehand. The likes of Minson, Lokan and Norman no one has a hope of getting.
electricsix
20 Nov 2003, 11:32
johns is on a list now though and is a bloody good prospect
if essendon get what the burgan draft predicts i will be rapt
Porthos
20 Nov 2003, 11:45
If Port gets what Burgan predicts, I'll spew up.
rednugget
20 Nov 2003, 11:49
Dont know too much about the under 18's competition but could someone tell me why Brent Hartigan took out the B&F in the best team in the under 18's comp but isn't listed in anyones phantom draft? too slow, small???
Lockyer24
20 Nov 2003, 11:49
I'd take Mundy..someone tell me hes still growing though please.
Dont like the sound of 'our' pick 35..sounds like Brent Tuckey!
I have a gut feeling Chaplin will be a flop.
Selections exactly correct 26 (10 players/16 passes) 10/64=15.6%
So basically this tells us nothing, part from the fact he knows which players clubs are looking at.
I just refuse to accept Spaanderman as a top 20 pick, he isn't the most talented footballer and gets through on his name and size alone.
NorthBhoy
20 Nov 2003, 11:53
If North get what Burgen predicts I will be no more indifferen't than I am now.
The types look about right (CHB, tallish forward and tough flanker).
I just want Jed!!!!
No Michael Johnson from Quarter Pounder Meal in his phantom draft..........make of that what you will.
ThePope
20 Nov 2003, 12:01
Originally posted by dasler
No Michael Johnson from Quarter Pounder Meal in his phantom draft..........make of that what you will.
Shhh... I'm hoping that Freo can then get him in the Rookie draft!
GOALden Hawk
20 Nov 2003, 12:04
Originally posted by dasler
So basically this tells us nothing, part from the fact he knows which players clubs are looking at.
I just refuse to accept Spaanderman as a top 20 pick, he isn't the most talented footballer and gets through on his name and size alone.
Yes, Spaanderman seems very high. I'm guessing his age and size have a fair bit to do with that. Not convinced though.
Don't mind Adam Campbell from North Ballarat. Pick 35 seems a stretch though.
If Richmond recruit as suggested they are officially the new Carlton.
wooshta_9
20 Nov 2003, 12:07
What a crock of ****, as if the Dockers would take Trotter over Brock Mclean if this was to happen i think i woukld kil myself.
Streaker
20 Nov 2003, 13:00
Originally posted by wooshta_9
What a crock of ****, as if the Dockers would take Trotter over Brock Mclean if this was to happen i think i woukld kil myself.
Something for us all to look forward to.:D
Originally posted by marcuz
Tenace, Mclean, Dyson are three very good picks for essendon if thats how it pans out. I admit to knowing **** all about Hartlett
Agreed.
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
...
If Richmond recruit as suggested they are officially the new Carlton.
Given our height deficiencies, what of the chances of us bypassing a still available Bill Morrisson? Especially for a lightweight midget who is 175.6 kgs (sic) tall!!!!
21. Richmond Josh Willoughby
(Glenelg) 11 January 1986, 175.6kg, 70kg
Originally posted by bulletproof
Not a bad attempt apart from Dunn at pick 5, that is a howler swap Mclean for him and you are getting close.
What's that, Dunn at #13? You beauty! :D
anonymous Joe
20 Nov 2003, 13:13
Originally posted by Stevo
What's that, Dunn at #13? You beauty! :D
Be great is essendon got the two teamates (Tennace and Dunn) they look similiar one lightening quick the other tough as nails.
I would be pretty happy if essendon got those three. All are expected in most phantom drafts to go higher than burgan says they will. Also, he says Stanton will be pick 16 and very few people think he will be a first rounder.
Macca19
20 Nov 2003, 13:43
Originally posted by Porthos
If Port gets what Burgan predicts, I'll spew up.
Agreed.
For someone that apparently talks to the clubs he mustnt of talked to Port at all well, not to mention even took a glancing look at Ports squad.
Alan Stewart said on radio we will take the best available tall player at 15. Burgan reckons we will go for a small...not only with our first pick, but with our 2nd pick too. Why we need two more young smalls is beyond me.
Not only that he reckons we will get Miller AND Sansbury....two forward pockets. Why we need etwo forward pockets when we have the Burgoynes, Pickett, Dew, Wanganeen that can and probably will play there in the next 2-7 years...where would these two players get a go in our side?
Pretty poor effort really. Seems like he has no clue at all about Port Adelaide.
Streaker
20 Nov 2003, 13:56
Originally posted by ThePope
Shhh... I'm hoping that Freo can then get him in the Rookie draft!
You can't trade players to jump the cue in the Rookie Draft. ;)
It would be a toss up between Johnson and Duffield and I would hope the Eagles go for Johnson whereas I am sure there are a lot of Freo supporters (I use the term loosley) who would like Duffield who Burgan has going at pick 61 to Brisbane.
SpecialBruce
20 Nov 2003, 14:20
I hope we don't waste our first pick on Spaanderman. We don't need him. We have the backup required for Lynch.
Backups for Lynch,
Daniel Merrett
Daniel Bradshaw
Jared Brennan
Justin Leppitsch
Michael Voss
Clark Keating
I just hope he's wrong about Spaanderman.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
I hope we don't waste our first pick on Spaanderman. We don't need him. We have the backup required for Lynch.
Backups for Lynch,
Daniel Merrett
Daniel Bradshaw
Jared Brennan
Justin Leppitsch
Michael Voss
Clark Keating
I just hope he's wrong about Spaanderman.
I don't know much about Merrett, but of those, only Bradshaw looks like he'll be reasonable choice at FF for you post-Lynch. Brennan is more of a wingman, Leppitsch is handy but you'd prefer him at CHB and he's not a long term option, Voss not a long term option, Keating similarly.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
I hope we don't waste our first pick on Spaanderman. We don't need him. We have the backup required for Lynch.
Backups for Lynch,
Daniel Merrett
Daniel Bradshaw
Jared Brennan
Justin Leppitsch
Michael Voss
Clark Keating
I just hope he's wrong about Spaanderman.
The key with that lot is none of them are young. The Lions need a young key forward. Bill Morrison could be the man.
wooshta_9
20 Nov 2003, 14:26
Quote
Daniel Merrett
Daniel Bradshaw
Jared Brennan
Justin Leppitsch
Michael Voss
Clark Keating
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Last i checked Daniel Bradshaw wa splaying with West Adelaide not Brisbane.
wooshta_9
20 Nov 2003, 14:28
Quote
Last i checked Daniel Bradshaw wa splaying with West Adelaide not Brisbane
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**** sorry my bad, i thought it said Darren Bradshaw
If Essendon ends up with those three it will be bloody fantastic but it is simply not going to happen.
Tenace may slip to six, McLeanmay slip to 13. What he was thinking placing Ricky Dyson at 28 is beyond me. Sydney would take him at 16 over Stanton easily. Also can't see him being missed by the Lions, Tigers and Cats with 18, 21, 22.
If Will Gayfer is still there at 28, Essendon will take him but this is very unlikely to happen. Will go to Port at 15.
Also think Watts will be picked up before the Crows' #14.
I'm starting to have some doubts about this guys ability. Have a look at this:
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=127279
Notice the question marks next to Pick 50 for the Dogs.
Now, wouldn't you think that he would be doing the picks in order rather than placing names in different spots???
Lions:
18. Brisbane Lions Llane Spaanderman (East Perth)
23. Brisbane Lions Sam Butler (Central District)
33. Brisbane Lions Aaron Davey (Port Melbourne)
49. Brisbane Lions Alex Gilmour (Tassie Mariners)
61. Brisbane Paul Duffield (South Fremantle)
Spaanderman @ 18 and ignore Ricky Dyson. You must be kidding.
If the Lions go for Spaander maybe pick no 33 in place of Aaron Davey.
Happy with Gilmore @ 49 and Duffield @ 61 is theft.
Personally I feel the lions will pass on picks 61 and 68 or use them to pick recycled players. One to look for is Dragicevic.
Backups for Lynch,
Daniel Merrett
Daniel Bradshaw
Jared Brennan
Justin Leppitsch
Michael Voss
Clark Keating
Originally posted by bozza
The key with that lot is none of them are young. The Lions need a young key forward. Bill Morrison could be the man.
Merrett 19
Brennan 19
Bradshaw 24 Your comment is without foundation.
From all reports if Bill Morrison is selected by the Lions it will be a reasonable pick.
The Lions have plenty of options post Lynch for FF.
Your will find that Voss and Leppitch will rotate or even establish a permanent position at Full Forward.
Bradshaw will be used more and more covering the back line.
Merret will be blooded for the next couple of years for a key position.
Brennan will be the logical replacement for White when Whitey retires at the end of 2004.
The lions think-tank has all the options well and truly covered.
The first two selections will be based on the best player available system rather than covering specific positions. That is way I don't think they will go for Spaanderman.
Anyhow will know soon.
SpecialBruce
20 Nov 2003, 15:51
Originally posted by irel
Backups for Lynch,
Daniel Merrett
Daniel Bradshaw
Jared Brennan
Justin Leppitsch
Michael Voss
Clark Keating
Merrett 19
Brennan 19
Bradshaw 24 Your comment is without foundation.
From all reports if Bill Morrison is selected by the Lions it will be a reasonable pick.
The Lions have plenty of options post Lynch for FF.
Your will find that Voss and Leppitch will rotate or even establish a permanent position at Full Forward.
Bradshaw will be used more and more covering the back line.
Merret will be blooded for the next couple of years for a key position.
Brennan will be the logical replacement for White when Whitey retires at the end of 2004.
The lions think-tank has all the options well and truly covered.
The first two selections will be based on the best player available system rather than covering specific positions. That is way I don't think they will go for Spaanderman.
Anyhow will know soon.
Yeah, I will be surprised with Spaanderman.
Regarding Merrett, he'll make his debut next year.
Originally posted by irel
Personally I feel the lions will pass on picks 61 and 68 or use them to pick recycled players. One to look for is Dragicevic.
Luke Weller and/or Jarad Wright. We'll re-draft one of those. With Morrison now out of the picture, I'm favouring towards Weller.
Our list is 32, the minimum we are allowed to have is 37.
That leaves picks
18
23
33
49
61
With pick 61, we'll re-draft Weller.
Pick 68 is a mystery. We'll most likely lose Copeland, so 5 picks will bring us to 36.
I think we'll only use our first 5 picks and have a list of 37 after Saturday. If Copeland is delisted, we'll use a pick in the pre-season draft, in which we will either pick Wright back up or gamble on Dragecevic or possibly use it for Daniel Pratt.
Falconer02
20 Nov 2003, 15:55
Geez if this is right then I dont think there will be any worries for Geelong in the Tall department, Kepler Bradley Mark Blake and Bill Morrison at the cats.
Falconer02
20 Nov 2003, 15:59
Surjan and Dyson go 28 27 I think that is a bit late for there talent especially Dyson.
Bradshaw is too inconsistent as a forward.
Brennan will be better as a CHB.
Merrett is unproven, and was hardly a big name in last years draft. Therefore my point is valid.
Roylion
20 Nov 2003, 16:17
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Daniel Merrett.
Perhaps. Unproven at best and may go the way of Jarrad Wright for all we know.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Daniel Bradshaw
Increasingly going to be used in the backline methinks.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Jared Brennan
Doubt he will make a good full forward. Half forward flank, and perhaps CHF.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Justin Leppitsch
Would use Leppitsch at CHF and Brown at FF, before Leppitsch at FF.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Michael Voss
As a permanent full forward? No way.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Clark Keating
Possibility but at the moment he's very good value in the ruck. If that was the case, why wouldn't you pick up another tall as back-up for McDonald, Charman and McLaren?
I believe we need another tall on the list.
One of Spencer, Morrison, Spaanderman, Watts will do nicely.
BigCat1
20 Nov 2003, 16:23
I don't think we will draft Bradley, Morrison and Blake together even though they are all fantastic youngsters b/c we already have the tallest list in the AFL.
Our VFL side would become the land of the living giants.
We really need to hope and pray Tenace slips through to 7. The Dees now look like taking Dunn so its up to the Bombers to take one of Bradley, Clarke, Burges or Trotter.
If we grabbed Tenace we could probably get a Morrison at 22. Or even take another gun midfielder (Dyson/Nash:D ) and hope that McConnell or Steward is around in the 3rd round.:D
Tenace, Dyson, Blake & McConnell/Steward would be a much better mix of players IMO. Anyway can't wait for Saturday
Originally posted by BigCat1
We really need to hope and pray Tenace slips through to 7. The Dees now look like taking Dunn so its up to the Bombers to take one of Bradley, Clarke, Burges or Trotter.
We really hope that Tenance slips through to 6. :D
That pick #5 is an interesting one. If Melbourne take Tenance, then someone like Trotter could really jump up and be taken early.
Originally posted by Stevo
We really hope that Tenance slips through to 6. :D
That pick #5 is an interesting one. If Melbourne take Tenance, then someone like Trotter could really jump up and be taken early.
True that. As could a Beau Waters or a Jacob Surjan.
anonymous Joe
20 Nov 2003, 16:33
Originally posted by Stevo
We really hope that Tenance slips through to 6. :D
That pick #5 is an interesting one. If Melbourne take Tenance, then someone like Trotter could really jump up and be taken early.
If that happens Sheeds would take Dunn, Bradley or Clarke. I hope Bradley.
Originally posted by Macca19
Agreed.
For someone that apparently talks to the clubs he mustnt of talked to Port at all well, not to mention even took a glancing look at Ports squad.
Alan Stewart said on radio we will take the best available tall player at 15. Burgan reckons we will go for a small...not only with our first pick, but with our 2nd pick too. Why we need two more young smalls is beyond me.
Not only that he reckons we will get Miller AND Sansbury....two forward pockets. Why we need etwo forward pockets when we have the Burgoynes, Pickett, Dew, Wanganeen that can and probably will play there in the next 2-7 years...where would these two players get a go in our side?
Pretty poor effort really. Seems like he has no clue at all about Port Adelaide.
Port will undoubtedly go for a tall with one of their first two picks, unless there is a good midfielder still available or a rush of tall early on then we'll probably use the first pick on a tall.
Watts, Morrison and Gayfer would probably be our preffered order for our first pick but I wouldn't be surprised to see us take a surprise midfielder at #15 like Matt Moody and then try and pinch a decent tall like Mundy, Stewart or Murphy with our second pick and then use our last two picks on a player like Schmidt and a recycled player.
Originally posted by anonymous Joe
If that happens Sheeds would take Dunn, Bradley or Clarke. I hope Bradley.
Perhaps. I'd like Dunn. Thoroughly impressed me each time I saw him play.
Wacko^Jacko
20 Nov 2003, 16:58
Originally posted by rednugget
Dont know too much about the under 18's competition but could someone tell me why Brent Hartigan took out the B&F in the best team in the under 18's comp but isn't listed in anyones phantom draft? too slow, small???
Not a bad question!! maybe he has just slipped through because of his height!! maybe some of the ppl who watch more TAC cup games could give us a bit of an insight!! he must be considered by someone!! surely
ThePope
20 Nov 2003, 17:11
Originally posted by rednugget
Dont know too much about the under 18's competition but could someone tell me why Brent Hartigan took out the B&F in the best team in the under 18's comp but isn't listed in anyones phantom draft? too slow, small???
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92219&highlight=Hartigan
Has Goalden Hawk's thoughts on him. You'd think that with the proliferation of small forwards, a small defender who seems like he can shut people down would be ideal. Matera, Milne, Medhurst, Farmer even Brown all need to stopped each week.
Freo has Hayden, North Makepeace, Brissy the Scott Bros or Johnson, Essendon Mark Johnson, Melbourne Whelan, but most other clubs could probably do with a good small defender.
Probably the size is restricting him to a late pick or rookie list.
Given his Essendon ties, it's a fair chance we'll look putting him on the rookie list. He certainly deserves it. McLean's reputation went through the roof with his GF performance, but some of the other Calder boys who were consistent throughout the year - Bentick, Hartigan, Kent, Goullet - are deserving to make it onto an AFL list in some way.
personally i dont think kane tenace will slip to 6. either carlton will go against walker n take him, or he'll go at 3, 4 or 5 for sure!
Originally posted by pozzo
personally i dont think kane tenace will slip to 6. either carlton will go against walker n take him, or he'll go at 3, 4 or 5 for sure!
I also have my doubts, but most people seem quite convinced that the top 4 will be Cooney, Walker, Sylvia, Ray. If that in fact occurs then it will only take Melbourne to pick someone else, and Tenance will slip to us. I hope! :D
Originally posted by anonymous Joe
If that happens Sheeds would take Dunn, Bradley or Clarke. I hope Bradley.
He will take Clarke if Tenace is not available.
Can anyone tell me what Ben Cosgriff has done to be given the flick.
In most phantom drafts he is top 35, but doesn't even rate a mention in this AFL phantom draft.
I saw him play in the Vic Country/Vic Metro game and he was terrific down back and later at FF. He has his faults but he has alot of positive points I would have thought. Strong mark, hard at it and pretty quick for a 186cm. Make a perfect HBF at AFL level.
Anyone know if he had a poor draft camp?
tashibatts
20 Nov 2003, 19:14
Originally posted by NorthBhoy
I just read your opinion of Jed Adcock GoaldenHawk.
Sold me.
Just read it myself.. sounds very good for pick 24..
Go Roos
tashibatts
20 Nov 2003, 20:00
And the version with details of each pick
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=draft&spg=display&articleid=127293
Go Roos
Originally posted by Sezzac
Can anyone tell me what Ben Cosgriff has done to be given the flick.
In most phantom drafts he is top 35, but doesn't even rate a mention in this AFL phantom draft.
I saw him play in the Vic Country/Vic Metro game and he was terrific down back and later at FF. He has his faults but he has alot of positive points I would have thought. Strong mark, hard at it and pretty quick for a 186cm. Make a perfect HBF at AFL level.
Anyone know if he had a poor draft camp?
He was in the Bushrangers best just about every week and has the body size to step straight into AFL. I think that he got it right when he selected Dunn at 5. Local newspaper droped a hint that he was going to Melbourne
lamby29
20 Nov 2003, 20:13
Originally posted by Stevo
I also have my doubts, but most people seem quite convinced that the top 4 will be Cooney, Walker, Sylvia, Ray. If that in fact occurs then it will only take Melbourne to pick someone else, and Tenance will slip to us. I hope! :D
Melbourne are ready to pounce at pick 5.
Originally posted by lamby29
Melbourne are ready to pounce at pick 5.
Well, we'll find out in about 37 hours' time. On one hand I've plenty about Melbourne picking up Tenance at #5, but on the other I've also heard plenty about Melbourne wanting another "hard nut" and thus picking up McLean or Dunn.
Melbourne need all the tough nuts they can find. We need pace so im hoping like buggery tenace falls to us....saturday cant come quick enough.
anonymous Joe
20 Nov 2003, 21:13
Originally posted by marcuz
Melbourne need all the tough nuts they can find. We need pace so im hoping like buggery tenace falls to us....saturday cant come quick enough.
Likewise think of Tennace walsh winderlich rama reynolds bullen Alvey, Mcveigh, Cupido that amount of speed in one side would rip **** up.
Originally posted by anonymous Joe
Likewise think of Tennace walsh winderlich rama reynolds bullen Alvey, Mcveigh, Cupido that amount of speed in one side would rip **** up.
Bullen isn't in the same bracket as those other guys. He's more of a Joe Misiti type, although not quite so slow.
lamby29
20 Nov 2003, 21:19
Originally posted by marcuz
Melbourne need all the tough nuts they can find. We need pace so im hoping like buggery tenace falls to us....saturday cant come quick enough.
Reliable source tells me that Tenace will not last pick 5.
Expects Melbourne to finish with CS and KT.
I know you probably won't believe me, but it came from a Board Member of the MFC.
I guess you can never say never, just look at Salopek last year.
anonymous Joe
20 Nov 2003, 21:21
Originally posted by Stevo
Bullen isn't in the same bracket as those other guys. He's more of a Joe Misiti type, although not quite so slow.
knew that he's an in and under type but to me he always appered quick. don't know why maybe cos he's compared to smokin Joe anyone would look quick compared to him.
I dont think he will last either Lamby...im just saying we need his pace more than you guys do. Melbourne need tough nuts and Dunn is certainly one of those
anonymous Joe
20 Nov 2003, 21:23
Originally posted by lamby29
Reliable source tells me that Tenace will not last pick 5.
Expects Melbourne to finish with CS and KT.
I know you probably won't believe me, but it came from a Board Member of the MFC.
I guess you can never say never, just look at Salopek last year.
not doubting you but why would a board member have a say on who's drafted? and I doubt pick 5 has already been decided.
Originally posted by lamby29
Reliable source tells me that Tenace will not last pick 5.
Expects Melbourne to finish with CS and KT.
I know you probably won't believe me, but it came from a Board Member of the MFC.
I guess you can never say never, just look at Salopek last year.
People with "reliable sources" are telling me Tenance. People with "reliable sources" are telling me Dunn. Whose source is reliable?
You'll have to excuse me for not believing you, but feel free to say "I told you so you faithless bastard!" come Saturday.
lamby29
20 Nov 2003, 21:23
Originally posted by marcuz
I dont think he will last either Lamby...im just saying we need his pace more than you guys do. Melbourne need tough nuts and Dunn is certainly one of those
Last time we went for a tough nut was pick 9 in 2001... :(
Johnstone, Yze, Armstrong and Heffernan (:p ) are all pretty quick, but Tenace ****s all over them in that department.
lamby29
20 Nov 2003, 21:24
Originally posted by Stevo
People with "reliable sources" are telling me Tenance. People with "reliable sources" are telling me Dunn. Whose source is reliable?
Mine. :)
As I said, you can never say never, but my source is very reliable.
How is Matthew Spencer so far down on his phantom draft?
Johnstone, Yze, Armstrong and Heffernan ( ) are all pretty quick, but Tenace ****s all over them in that department.
Over 20 metres he doesnt. Heffernan ran the exact same time as tenace at the draft camp. 2.86 secs
For a laugh for bomber fans Aaron Henneman ran a 2.85secs...faster than both those guys..pity he cant play football though.
Originally posted by lamby29
Mine. :)
As I said, you can never say never, but my source is very reliable.
But you see, I can't verify it. As far as I'm concerned, and especially considering the other people with supposedly reliable sources, it's speculation. At least, I have to take it as speculation. So we'll see on Saturday.
Originally posted by marcuz
Over 20 metres he doesnt. Heffernan ran the exact same time as tenace at the draft camp. 2.86 secs
For a laugh for bomber fans Aaron Henneman ran a 2.85secs...faster than both those guys..pity he cant play football though.
Aaron was the quickest in the draft camp in his year, I believe.
There's still a chance for him, I think Marcuz. He was decent in 2001 at CHB and showed some promise. Since then he's been cut down by injuries and by being played out of position. He's got the pace to match forwards on the lead, and he's got the strength and size for the one-on-ones. Just needs to build some experience and confidence.
Maybe Stevo...I prefer Hunt to take a key back spot. He is a better kick and is even faster than Henno is. Henno is on his last chance to make an impression. Whatever position he settles into it wont be as a ruckman....well at least i hope not.
Originally posted by marcuz
Maybe Stevo...I prefer Hunt to take a key back spot. He is a better kick and is even faster than Henno is. Henno is on his last chance to make an impression. Whatever position he settles into it wont be as a ruckman....well at least i hope not.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Stevo
Agreed.
what dont we agree on:D
Originally posted by marcuz
what dont we agree on:D
Delta Goodrem. ;)
lamby29
20 Nov 2003, 21:47
Originally posted by marcuz
Over 20 metres he doesnt. Heffernan ran the exact same time as tenace at the draft camp. 2.86 secs
For a laugh for bomber fans Aaron Henneman ran a 2.85secs...faster than both those guys..pity he cant play football though.
Tenace runs the 200m in 21 seconds. :eek:
Henneman is lucky to be your list... but he would probably walk straight into our side. :(
Originally posted by Stevo
Delta Goodrem
Well thats not really true. We both arent fans of her music. And we both would like to shag her brains out albeit to different music so in a way we do agree;)
Originally posted by lamby29
Tenace runs the 200m in 21 seconds. :eek:
Henneman is lucky to be your list... but he would probably walk straight into our side. :(
Given that we lost Jacobs, an ageing Wellman, and an injury and suspension prone Fletcher, we really had no choice but to keep Henneman and Hunt.
I don't think he would walk straight into your side. You've got the likes of Miller, Lamb, Caroll, Ferguson, Smith.
Originally posted by marcuz
Well thats not really true. We both arent fans of her music. And we both would like to shag her brains out albeit to different music so in a way we do agree;)
I've never found her all that attractive.
I've never found her all that attractive.
Ive had worse..a lot worse