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Black Thunder
20 Nov 2003, 12:08
West coast:
Pick 11 - Beau Waters
Pick 20 - Callum Burges
Pick 26 - Daniel McConnell
The first two picks are very good, although I would've thought the order would more likely be the other way around.
With pick 26, considering he reckons both Will Gayfer (who I reckon is worth top 15 pick) and Jacob Surjan (likewise) will still be around, I'd much rather pick one of those guys up than McConnell.
BTW, what has happened to our pick 58? Why do we no longer have it?
Black Thunder
20 Nov 2003, 12:11
Also interesting to note, Michael Johnson and Ben Cosgriff don't get picked up in his phantom draft, and Matthew Specner lasts right through to pick 69.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=127275
I'd be surprised if Surjan lasts that long
Streaker
20 Nov 2003, 12:41
Interesting to note that he thinks Fremantle will only go for local talent whilst Brock McLean slips through to 13.
I think that a lot of the Eastern States people who do these Phantom Drafts underestimate the local talent as they haven't seen or heard as much about them. They also seem to stick with the principle that clubs in WA will go for local talent rather than the best available.
I hope Burges does slip through to 20 or even 26 as I would like to pick up McLean or Waters.
Ricky Mott is mentioned as going to Adelaide and yet he hasn't nominated or the draft?
Johnson would be a better option than McConnell.
no1bankteller
20 Nov 2003, 12:48
Originally posted by West Coast Stre
I think that a lot of the Eastern States people who do these Phantom Drafts underestimate the local talent as they haven't seen or heard as much about them. They also seem to stick with the principle that clubs in WA will go for local talent rather than the best available.
Johnson would be a better option than McConnell.
Is it possible that you are as guilty when it comes to over-estimating WA talent...ie Johnson v's McConnell..
By the way I am not having a go its just that we can all be somewhat biased sometimes and without personally assessing both players we do not really know.
Streaker
20 Nov 2003, 13:15
Originally posted by no1bankteller
Is it possible that you are as guilty when it comes to over-estimating WA talent...ie Johnson v's McConnell..
By the way I am not having a go its just that we can all be somewhat biased sometimes and without personally assessing both players we do not really know.
Even when I take into account my bias, I still consider Johnson to be far more AFL ready than McConnell.
Recent history has shown that the club is not overly concerned with picking local talent over eastern states bred youngsters and, generally, this has proven to be a successful strategy. So it wouldn't surprise is they took a McConnell over a Johnson.
Personally though, I'd be keen to draft Johnson (and that is a local bias talking!)
Originally posted by Black Thunder
BTW, what has happened to our pick 58? Why do we no longer have it? You can only have as many draft picks as free spots on your list.
That is why Richmond have so many picks because they've got so many spots left. We only have three spots on our senior list, so three draft picks.
Streaker
20 Nov 2003, 13:42
Originally posted by ozzult
You can only have as many draft picks as free spots on your list.
That is why Richmond have so many picks because they've got so many spots left. We only have three spots on our senior list, so three draft picks.
Umm..
Are you sure you have the right thread? Nobody has suggested we take more than 3 picks.
Originally posted by West Coast Stre
Umm..
Are you sure you have the right thread? Nobody has suggested we take more than 3 picks. It's been edited now to make sense.
BigCat1
20 Nov 2003, 14:29
Originally posted by West Coast Stre
Even when I take into account my bias, I still consider Johnson to be far more AFL ready than McConnell.
Big Deal. Surely you pick players on future development. Not who will play first or play games of AFL next year. McConnell is a very very young KPP who will be a top player. Killed them at the Draft camp. He has way more of an upside compared to Johnson.
Streaker
20 Nov 2003, 15:00
Originally posted by BigCat1
Big Deal. Surely you pick players on future development.
You pick players on expected future development.
Originally posted by BigCat1
Not who will play first or play games of AFL next year. [/B]
Depends upon the needs of the team. If you look at the players who are expected to be taken in the top 10 you would say that they are more likely to get a game next year. I wouldn't expect McConnell to be playing AFL in the near future I would expect he would still be playing WAFL in 2 years time. Our team needs are for KPPs in the near future. Key Position Players take longer to develop. Johnson already has the physical size to be able to take the next step so I would go with Johnson
Originally posted by BigCat1
McConnell is a very very young KPP who will be a top player. Killed them at the Draft camp. He has way more of an upside compared to Johnson.
He will be a top player or a dud like 50% of the players that are chosen in the draft. Pettigrew killed them at the draft Camp last year and this year. Means nothing.
Streaker
20 Nov 2003, 15:07
Originally posted by BigCat1
He has way more of an upside compared to Johnson.
And speaking of upside. My son is 7 and could be a good prospect as a winger in 12 years time. Does this mean he has more of an upside than McConnell?
Streaker
23 Nov 2003, 00:06
Originally posted by Black Thunder
West coast:
Pick 11 - Beau Waters
Pick 20 - Callum Burges
Pick 26 - Daniel McConnell
Burgan was eerily close with our picks but way off on others.
His top 20 v Actual top 20
1. Adam Cooney ---------- Adam Cooney *
2. Andrew Walker --------- Andrew Walker *
3. Colin Sylvia -------------- Colin Sylvia *
4. Farren Ray ---------------Farren Ray *
5. Ryley Dunn ---------------BROCK MCLEAN +
6. Kane Tenace -------------KEPLER BRADLEY +
7. Kepler Bradley -----------KANE TENACE +
8. Raphael Clarke ----------RAPHAEL CLARKE *
9. Troy Chaplin--------------DAVID TROTTER +
10. David Trotter -----------RYLEY DUNN +
11. Beau Waters -----------BEAU WATERS *
12. Brent Hall----------------RYAN MURPHY
13. Brock McLean-----------BRENT STANTON +
14. Fergus Watts-----------FERGUS WATTS *
15. Jay Nash-----------------TROY CHAPLIN +
16. Brent Stanton ----------JOSHUA WILLOUGHBY
17. David Mundy-------------WILLIAM MORRISON
18. Llane Spaanderman----LLANE SPAANDERMAN *
19. Matthew Moody --------DAVID MUNDY +
20. Callum Burges ----------SAMUEL BUTLER
*Denotes correct position 8/20
+Denotes in top 20 but different order 8/20