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On a previous post I wrote whether we were over rating the chances for local WA talent as far as getting picked up in the draft. As it has turned out we got a lot better deal than last year but again it shows that the two local WA clubs have overlooked the local talent in lieu of Eastern staters.
Both still don't get it. We want to see our locals playing here. It seems bemusing to me that 7 ES kids as they areflying over to WA will wave as their plane passes the plane carrying 11 WA kids going to the ES.
Show some faith in the locals you gutless wonders at the Dorkers and Eagles. If they are good enough for the ES then they are certainly good enough for here.
Porthos
22 Nov 2003, 13:32
Well, putting it nicely, WA isn't exactly famous for toughnuts and thats what both sides decided they need more of.
I'd love it if all Port did was draft South Australians, but considering we supply almost entirely midgets its not practical to do so.
Tough nuts. Care to explain your self? I've never met an Eastern Stater who was tough. I though it was compulsory over there to be registered on the gay list. You talk tough but that's all. Not many of your so called tough nuts have lasted over here.
Borgsta
22 Nov 2003, 13:43
well im assuming that you are an Eagles supporter, but seeing as you dont put anything in your profile I can only guess.
Anyway Eagles supporters must be upset with that weak Judd bloke that the picked up from the Eastern States.:rolleyes:
Porthos
22 Nov 2003, 13:43
Originally posted by kick
Tough nuts. Care to explain your self?OK. Most WA players are physically soft due to lacking aggression - this a broad generalization, but mostly true.
Ryley Dunn and Beau Waters are probably two of the three most physical players that were available in this draft. There certainly aren't any WA challengers to that title. Both Freo and WCE perceive that they need to toughen up, so they went for tough players.
If there were talented tough players from WA, they would take them. Its pretty simple.
no1bankteller
22 Nov 2003, 13:52
Originally posted by Porthos
OK. Most WA players are physically soft due to lacking aggression - this a broad generalization, but mostly true.
Ryley Dunn and Beau Waters are probably two of the three most physical players that were available in this draft. There certainly aren't any WA challengers to that title. Both Freo and WCE perceive that they need to toughen up, so they went for tough players.
If there were talented tough players from WA, they would take them. Its pretty simple.
Yes Worsfold was very soft...
And you are right its broad generalisation that has little substance...
Porthos
22 Nov 2003, 13:55
Originally posted by no1bankteller
Yes Worsfold was very soft... I didn't realise he was in this draft.
Originally posted by kick
On a previous post I wrote whether we were over rating the chances for local WA talent as far as getting picked up in the draft. As it has turned out we got a lot better deal than last year but again it shows that the two local WA clubs have overlooked the local talent in lieu of Eastern staters.
Both still don't get it. We want to see our locals playing here. It seems bemusing to me that 7 ES kids as they areflying over to WA will wave as their plane passes the plane carrying 11 WA kids going to the ES.
Show some faith in the locals you gutless wonders at the Dorkers and Eagles. If they are good enough for the ES then they are certainly good enough for here.
Well said Kick, WCE and Fremantle have put in a **** poor effort and I for one will make this known to the respective managers
no1bankteller
22 Nov 2003, 13:58
Originally posted by Porthos
OK. Most WA players are physically soft due to lacking aggression -
I read your post to be around WA players in general not just the draft...
TheRealBuzz
22 Nov 2003, 14:00
Originally posted by Porthos
Both Freo and WCE perceive that they need to toughen up, so they went for tough players. Agree with that.
Originally posted by Porthos
Most WA players are physically soft due to lacking aggression - this a broad generalization, but mostly true. Disagree with that.
Watch out for Big Bad Bustling Brent Hall! :D
Kenny_01
22 Nov 2003, 14:10
We simply just picked the best players available. In the 2001 draft, we picked up Polak, Medhurst and Browne, all WA boys. This year, it was all Victorian boys. Seeing as though someone like Surjan didn't get drafted at all, it would have been a waste picking him up with a 2nd round pick simply for the fact he was West Australian. Moody would have been nice but obviously our recruiting staff felt that Mundy was too good to pass up.
I remember similar sentiments last season... everyone wanted Gilmore to get picked up and were dissapointed he wasn't... well he is on our list now anyway and a similar thing will probably happen this year.
Sorry ladies. I didn't realise I had to support an AFL side to be eligble to post on this forum. Okay I played footy for 22 years. In that time I played with some of the best including some from the eastern states.
I always gauged toughness on a football field as a mental condition, not a physical condition. But my point is this - if the 11 WA blokes are good enough to fit the criteria set out by the ES clubs, one of which must be that draftees must be tough, how then were they missed by the local clubs, if the local clubs have included it in their criteria?
The fact that previous WA draftees now playing in the ES may have passed the "tough" test over there shows the incompetence of recruiters here in WA. But your comments show me that you have hardly or never played the game.
Like I said, not many of your so-called "toughies" have lasted here.
Originally posted by kick
Sorry ladies. I didn't realise I had to support an AFL side to be eligble to post on this forum. Okay I played footy for 22 years. In that time I played with some of the best including some from the eastern states.
I always gauged toughness on a football field as a mental condition, not a physical condition. But my point is this - if the 11 WA blokes are good enough to fit the criteria set out by the ES clubs, one of which must be that draftees must be tough, how then were they missed by the local clubs, if the local clubs have included it in their criteria?
The fact that may WA players have passed the "tough" test in the ES shows the incompetence of recruiters here in WA. Like I said, not many of your so-called "toughies" have lasted here.
Kick I'm honestly disgusted by the actions of the 2 WA clubs drafting today. We've heard WA is so good this year etc etc and they haven't taken 1 player at all. It's disgraceful.
Originally posted by dasler
Kick I'm honestly disgusted by the actions of the 2 WA clubs drafting today. We've heard WA is so good this year etc etc and they haven't taken 1 player at all. It's disgraceful.
Fremantle took Brett Peake ;)
What do you expect dasler when you have slow learners running football? If you look at the hit rate over the years they have mostly got it wrong. I thought Surjan and Duffield were walk-up starts esp at Freo. Should definitely be on rookie list. The SS(Smart/Schwab) have struck again and the Wise men from the east can't believe their luck. fuggem
Originally posted by kick
What do you expect kick when you have slow learners running football? If you look at the hit rate over the years they have mostly got it wrong. I thought Surjan and Duffield were walk-up starts esp at Freo. Should definitely be on rookie list. The SS(Smart/Schwab) have struck again and the Wise men from the east can't believe their luck. fuggem
I'm not normally an angry person as I'm a pretty mellow person however the actions of the WA clubs today is woeful. I hope the media absolutely blasts them.
I hope WCE gets sounded out for the Burges scenario too (even though I didn't think that would go through)
Originally posted by dasler
I hope WCE gets sounded out for the Burges scenario too (even though I didn't think that would go through)
It's not West Coast's fault that he got media attention, its obvious now that we weren't trying to hide him. Blame footy goss for making up stories.
Originally posted by Sera
It's not West Coast's fault that he got media attention, its obvious now that we weren't trying to hide him. Blame footy goss for making up stories.
But then again Sera, I've never rated footygoss as a website :D
funky_monk
22 Nov 2003, 15:03
Originally posted by dasler
I'm not normally an angry person as I'm a pretty mellow person however the actions of the WA clubs today is woeful. I hope the media absolutely blasts them.
I hope WCE gets sounded out for the Burges scenario too (even though I didn't think that would go through)
Gonna be straight here...
Dasler, leading up to the draft I thought you had a reasonable grip on stuff and I respected your opinion. At the moment your current attitude... No one likes a pouty boy.
I'll be very suprised if Duffield, Surjan, Johnson and a few others are not picked up by Freo and West Coast in the rookie draft. If not one of the 16 AFL clubs didn't pick Duffield, Johnson and Surjan in 65-60 odd draft selections do you think that Freo and WC not picking them with picks with in the top 30 might be justified?
Dunn and Mundy sound great (no idea on Murphy as yet).
Oh and by the way... kick - go **** yourself.
Thanks for the info on Peakey, but we already knew that. I was mainly interested in the lotto draw held this morning. Personally I can't see what they saw in Peake because I don't think anyone else would have picked him up.
If it was to add local content to the side then there should have been others considered ahead of him, notwithstanding the fact that his old man at the same age was dynamite and later to become a local legend. In light of the comments about being tough then Peake would not fit the criteria.
Originally posted by funky_monk
Gonna be straight here...
Dasler, leading up to the draft I thought you had a reasonable grip on stuff and I respected your opinion. At the moment your current attitude... No one likes a pouty boy.
I'll be very suprised if Duffield, Surjan, Johnson and a few others are not picked up by Freo and West Coast in the rookie draft. If not one of the 16 AFL clubs didn't pick Duffield, Johnson and Surjan in 65-60 odd draft selections do you think that Freo and WC not picking them with picks with in the top 30 might be justified?
Dunn and Mundy sound great (no idea on Murphy as yet).
Oh and by the way... kick - go **** yourself.
Funky that's fine, I'm going to speak to the respective managers and see why they didn't and then I'm sure I'll understand the predicament.
It's more I've got notes and notes and stats on the WA kids and I just dont understand how some were ignored in favour of others.
That's where I get annoyed, not the actual choices :D
Happy as a pig in **** with WCE picks.
The only reason I can come up with is that these ideas were harboured, and WCE and Freo banked on getting their services for half the price through the rookie draft.
Cheers Funk I probably do need a kick in the pants right now
I would have taken Surjan before Peake.
|D_J^B_J|
22 Nov 2003, 15:16
The sooner some sort of zoning system is put into place, the better IMO. I'm not suggesting the draft be abolished altogether, but I think the development system would benefit by allowing each club to be able to commit to one local player within their zone before the draft.
Originally posted by |D_J^B_J|
The sooner some sort of zoning system is put into place, the better IMO. I'm not suggesting the draft be abolished altogether, but I think the development system would benefit by allowing each club to be able to commit to one local player within their zone before the draft.
Hear Hear!
|D_J^B_J|
22 Nov 2003, 15:30
Generalising Western Australian footballers as 'soft' is ridiculous. Mal Brown, Dennis Marshall, Gary Malarkey, Neil Balme, and Ken Hunter are five of many Western Australians who played their football in the east at some stage and made their presence felt as well as embarrassing Victorians with their superior courage.
And I believe Don Scott still has nightmares over a bump from Basil Campbell in one particular State of Origin match. :D
Borgsta
22 Nov 2003, 15:31
Yeah but he was talking about this years draft not every person to have ever been born in WA.
What's hanging out of you funky_monk? Another twit who wouldn't know what day it was. Haven't got the guts too explain your comments? Don't worry you are just a flea.
Kenny_01
22 Nov 2003, 15:43
Originally posted by Sera
I would have taken Surjan before Peake.
You should be working as a talent scout.
Kenny_01
22 Nov 2003, 15:45
Originally posted by funky_monk
not one of the 16 AFL clubs didn't pick Duffield, Johnson and Surjan in 65-60 odd draft selections do you think that Freo and WC not picking them with picks with in the top 30 might be justified?
Sums it up well.
Originally posted by Kenny_01
You should be working as a talent scout.
If Freo had known Surjan would be available, would they still have taken Peake as F&S? Interesting question...
|D_J^B_J|
22 Nov 2003, 15:47
Originally posted by Borgsta
Yeah but he was talking about this years draft not every person to have ever been born in WA.
I assumed Porthos was referring to the past when he said 'WA isn't exactly famous for toughnuts.'
Apologies if he was referring to the current crop of WA draftees, but it didn't seem that way.
theferrett
22 Nov 2003, 15:49
We want to see our locals playing here
Kick,
who and the hell is we. dont generalise. Your posting should have read -I want to see our locals playing here-
If WA guys did not get picked by any of the 18 teams, must mean that they are not good enough at the moment. sometimes the reteric that goes with WA can become a little boring. Its a national comp and the teams are trying to get the best. They have no allegience if someone is born in what state or wether his tool hangs to the right or to the left.
Kenny_01
22 Nov 2003, 15:50
Originally posted by Sera
If Freo had known Surjan would be available, would they still have taken Peake as F&S? Interesting question...
Yes.
If we were so keen on Surjan, we would have picked him up with #27.
And are the father sons set in stone? I noticed we still had to call Peake's name out. And I remember in 2000, Coughlan wasn't sure if Richmond would use their pick on Cloke (F/S) and went with him instead.
Fremantle should have picked him with 27. Looks like another Doswell project for them now.
Good point Sera, I don't know that they would have, because he is the son of Bomber, and being the son of a famous father is enough to get you to an AFL club these days.
Originally posted by Kenny_01
And are the father sons set in stone?
Absolutely. It would be unfair to the player if it wasn't. In any event, I'll stand by my claim to take Surjan before Peake ;)
Peake will go OK if the number on E-girls fans putting him down is any indication.
He turn out to be our best pickup this year. You heard it first here. ;)
Kenny_01
22 Nov 2003, 16:00
Originally posted by Sera
Absolutely. It would be unfair to the player if it wasn't. In any event, I'll stand by my claim to take Surjan before Peake ;)
Good on you. Personally, I'd back our recruiting staff's judgement though.
Originally posted by RIPPER_46
Peake will go OK if the number on E-girls fans putting him down is any indication.
He turn out to be our best pickup this year. You heard it first here. ;)
You're clearly deluded. He is a nothing player compared to his old man.
Brian is/was a star, Brett is a flop living on a name.
Originally posted by RIPPER_46
He turn out to be our best pickup this year. You heard it first here. ;)
Ryley Dunn will be so much better than Brett Peake it isn't funny.
theferrett
22 Nov 2003, 16:02
Absolutely. It would be unfair to the player if it wasn't. In any event, I'll stand by my claim to take Surjan before Peake
May I ask why Surjan wasnt picked up at all. Are you saying all the Clubs are wrong or just Fremantle
Originally posted by Sera
Ryley Dunn will be so much better than Brett Peake it isn't funny.
He is better now.
Dunn probably 8 years of serious footy vs Peake 1 year of serious footy.
Time will tell.
Kenny_01
22 Nov 2003, 16:05
You got to love the know it alls on here. I mean we missed out on so many top talents and wasted a pick (43) on Peake, yet Port Adelaide saw fit to pick up Robert Forster-Knight with pick 39 :rolleyes:
Originally posted by theferrett
Absolutely. It would be unfair to the player if it wasn't. In any event, I'll stand by my claim to take Surjan before Peake
May I ask why Surjan wasnt picked up at all. Are you saying all the Clubs are wrong or just Fremantle
I would guess he wasn't high on the agenda of clubs because of his vanilla height. However he is very quick, has good skills and great evasive ability, not unlike Byron Schammer. I wished the Eagles had picked him up.
Originally posted by theferrett
Absolutely. It would be unfair to the player if it wasn't. In any event, I'll stand by my claim to take Surjan before Peake
May I ask why Surjan wasnt picked up at all. Are you saying all the Clubs are wrong or just Fremantle
Ferret I'm at a loss of words to explain to you why.
I harboured suspicions about the other WA potentials but he was rock solid in my mind and many others.
theferrett
22 Nov 2003, 16:20
My point that I am trying to get through though is, no one picked him. Are all the clubs wrong or are we overating our own boys with our 2 team mentality
Originally posted by theferrett
My point that I am trying to get through though is, no one picked him. Are all the clubs wrong or are we overating our own boys with our 2 team mentality
Ferret I don't need explain anymore, his credentials speak for themselves. With Willoughby going so high I don't see the reason for him not being drafted on the notion of "vanilla" size.
funky_monk
22 Nov 2003, 17:09
Originally posted by kick
What's hanging out of you funky_monk? Another twit who wouldn't know what day it was. Haven't got the guts too explain your comments? Don't worry you are just a flea.
Feel free to analyse why clubs picked whatever but couldn't be bothered making an argument against your anti-Freo sentiment so I fell to the lowest commmon denominator.
If you are indeed an advocate for WA talent then how 'bout you show both teams respect.
Back to the discussion...
I was more dark that we didn't select Chaplin (again another non-WAer) if we were going to select a tall (Murphy doesn't sound like a pure KPP though).