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no1bankteller
23 Nov 2003, 09:11
Just wanting to know what is the general feeling about Kevin Sheedy's comments regarding Callum Burges. From memory Kevin stated that Essendon are considering drafting Callum with their no.6 pick and did not end up drafting him at all. In fact Kevin stated that he flew to WA to see him personally.
Personally I think that draftees have enough pressure placed upon them without prominent club representatives coming out and raising the draftees expectations only to see their hopes shattered?
Am I off base or do others have similier thoughts?
Just wanting to know what is the general feeling about Kevin Sheedy's comments regarding Callum Burges. From memory Kevin stated that Essendon are considering drafting Callum with their no.6 pick and did not end up drafting him at all. In fact Kevin stated that he flew to WA to see him personally.
Considering burges?...essendon would have considered 50 players yesterday maybe someone was available that they didnt think would be and it was too good a opportunity to pass up. He also said in the media it was unlikey they would take Bradley. Sheeds is a politician and he plays the game better than most. All this bruges talk was bluff most likely aimed at WC and freo
no1bankteller
23 Nov 2003, 09:26
[ All this bruges talk was bluff most likely aimed at WC and freo [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreee but why play with the emotions of a 17 year old to get at WC and Freo? Surely this is pretty questionable behaviour?
how do you know he didnt tell burges that it was unlikely they would pick him b4 he told the media
no1bankteller
23 Nov 2003, 09:45
Originally posted by marcuz
how do you know he didnt tell burges that it was unlikely they would pick him b4 he told the media
Fair point and I thought about this too. It does not make sense for him to do so as Burgess IMO would just tell WC and Freo that Sheedy is bluffing so that there would really be no point too it.
Porthos
23 Nov 2003, 10:10
Originally posted by no1bankteller
Agreee but why play with the emotions of a 17 year old to get at WC and Freo? Surely this is pretty questionable behaviour? Maybe they're the clubs that tricked Sheedy into James Davies. :D
no1bankteller
23 Nov 2003, 10:11
Originally posted by Porthos
Maybe they're the clubs that tricked Sheedy into James Davies. :D
You are cruel!!
I think davies was a dare. sheeds told adrain dodoro" i dare ya to draft Davies" Unfortunately adrian called his bluff:(
theferrett
23 Nov 2003, 10:48
Sheeds also breakfast with kepler Bradley when he was in WA, so I suppose that makes sense.
He probably spoke to quite a few kids prior to the draft but that doesnt mean you draft them
no1bankteller
23 Nov 2003, 11:02
Originally posted by theferrett
Sheeds also breakfast with kepler Bradley when he was in WA, so I suppose that makes sense.
He probably spoke to quite a few kids prior to the draft but that doesnt mean you draft them
True but he made a special point about seeing Callum to the media...
I can understand him going there and speaking to the draftees but I am just a little bit annoyed about him telling singling out a player that did not get drafted.
Sheedy strikes...AGAIN!!!
Originally posted by pazza
Sheedy strikes...AGAIN!!!
More like jumping on the bandwagon.
This was a **** poor effort on the whole of football. Hope the kid gets something out of it atleast, if it is even known as the "Burges Debacle" etcetera
Originally posted by dasler
This was a **** poor effort on the whole of football. Hope the kid gets something out of it atleast, if it is even known as the "Burges Debacle" etcetera
His cousin posted on Dockerland that he would give up football if he wasn't drafted. Can't say I blame him really.
Agreee but why play with the emotions of a 17 year old to get at WC and Freo? Surely this is pretty questionable behaviour? [/B]
Agreed. I feel quite sorry for the boy after having to face all the media attention and then being snubbed by every club.
Cosgriff along with Gayfer where the 2 biggest suprises in the draft, im still woundering how these 2 blokes get overlooked especially with the lack of kp defenders in the draft.
daddy_4_eyes
23 Nov 2003, 14:17
Originally posted by marcuz
Considering burges?...essendon would have considered 50 players yesterday maybe someone was available that they didnt think would be and it was too good a opportunity to pass up...... All this bruges talk was bluff most likely aimed at WC and freo
The point being, Sheedy toyed with the future of a 17yr old kid with those stupid mind games. Its one thing praising a kid, or saying he's come into consideration, its quite another saying you are interested at taking him VERY early in the draft, when clearly the kid isn't up to AFL standards (not being drafted and all). It was unethical behaviour, and should be condemned by the football community.
anonymous Joe
23 Nov 2003, 16:22
Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
The point being, Sheedy toyed with the future of a 17yr old kid with those stupid mind games. Its one thing praising a kid, or saying he's come into consideration, its quite another saying you are interested at taking him VERY early in the draft, when clearly the kid isn't up to AFL standards (not being drafted and all). It was unethical behaviour, and should be condemned by the football community.
I think it was more a media hype up, than Sheedy trying to **** with some 17 year old
His cousin posted on Dockerland that he would give up football if he wasn't drafted. Can't say I blame him really.
Thin skinned if its true he'd get a rookie selection for sure.
motumbo
23 Nov 2003, 18:25
What about the Eagles in this debacle? It was alleged in the Sunday Times over here a few weeks ago that they were hiding him so they could draft him. Did the Eagles draft him? No. you have to feel sorry for the kid though, but it just shows that the kids are being drafted too early in their development as footballers.
Originally posted by motumbo
What about the Eagles in this debacle? It was alleged in the Sunday Times over here a few weeks ago that they were hiding him so they could draft him. Did the Eagles draft him? No. you have to feel sorry for the kid though, but it just shows that the kids are being drafted too early in their development as footballers.
I think I can piece together what happened. The Eagles really had nothing to do with it. There was a rumour that Gepp had him taken off at a school game when a scout was present. Even if it was true, which I doubt, we weren't the ones to go to the media. From there, footygoss put 2 + 2 together and came up with 22. The main media sources got a hold of it and natural suspicion on behalf of other recruiters helped it snowball from there. Sheedy was just a late Gatecrasher. I'm more than happy for anyone to correct this version of events.
While all this focus was on Burges and the Eagles, the Sydney Swans were the real ones who were able to sneak one under the radar. Perhaps this relates to what Yakuza means when he claims to have been told to spread disinformation but I really don't believe him.
Originally posted by Sera
I think I can piece together what happened. The Eagles really had nothing to do with it. There was a rumour that Gepp had him taken off at a school game when a scout was present. Even if it was true, which I doubt, we weren't the ones to go to the media. From there, footygoss put 2 + 2 together and came up with 22. The main media sources got a hold of it and natural suspicion on behalf of other recruiters helped it snowball from there. I'm more than happy for anyone to correct this version of events.
While all this focus was on Burges and the Eagles, the Sydney Swans were the real ones who were able to sneak one under the radar. Perhaps this relates to what Yakuza means when he claims to have been told to spread disinformation but I really don't believe him.
sera, I wasn't told I was asked and I'm heartbroken that you don't believe me.
Originally posted by YAKUZA
I'm heartbroken that you don't believe me.
LOL, you just admitted you lied and now you're saying you are heart broken because I don't believe you? :D Don't you have anything to say about what I wrote? Don't you feel bad at all for Callum Burges?
Originally posted by Sera
LOL, you just admitted you lied and now you're saying you are heart broken because I don't believe you? :D Don't you have anything to say about what I wrote? Don't you feel bad at all for Callum Burges?
What do you mean I lied? all I said was that I was asked to post that Fremantle would take Burges at 10, to categorize that as spreading disinformation is to draw a long bow indeed. The heartbroken bit was tongue in cheek and facetious at best.
Do I feel any remorse for Callum Burges? no more or less than I do for the hundreds of other kids that miss out on being taken each year and that is not only a legacy but one of the failings of the system.
Whilst you are quick to absolve the Eagles you should remember it was they, through one of their employees, who initiated the whole saga in the first place. Of course they didn't to the Media but by the same token they didn't miss any opportunity they had to try and deny the story, not that they convinced anybody.
As for Footygoss and the Media, I know that the West had the information ever before it filtered through to Footygoss, obviously and typically they were too weak to do anything with it. I mean **** we can't write anything derogatory about the Eagles can we? they might make it difficult for us! It was only after Footygoss did a story about it did our two fearless local rags decide to join the fray. So you see you have the sequence of events the wrong way around.
I should also tell you that certain Recruiting Managers were aware of the situation before it was in the Media or Footygoss and had raised the matter with the appropriate body.
As for this topic, I didn't read what Sheedy said about Burges and I don't particularly care but I'll tell you something there wouldn't be one person who has posted on here that would have the faintest clue what Sheedy said to Burges when they met. One thing is for sure and that is he wouldn't have told the boy that Essendon were going to draft him.
Black Thunder
23 Nov 2003, 22:14
it's amazing how clubs who have picks after pick 40 or so, wouldn't have decided to take the gamble with Burges.
And it's even more amazing how their eyes wouldn't have lighted up when they realized they had pick 63 (or whatever) and Will Gayfer was still around........
no1bankteller
23 Nov 2003, 23:15
Originally posted by YAKUZA
Whilst you are quick to absolve the Eagles you should remember it was they, through one of their employees, who initiated the whole saga in the first place.
Of course they didn't to the Media but by the same token they didn't miss any opportunity they had to try and deny the story, not that they convinced anybody.
Yakuza there was no reason for Eagles to be absolved of anything. The rumour may have been due to carelessness of one of WCE employees but it from where I see it was not an intentional leak. If you have information to the contrary please let us all know.
As far as WCE not missing an opportunity to deny the story, well it looks like because they had no intention of drafting him so they were telling the truth.
What really p$sses me off they did not come out and publicly say that they were likely to use their early pick to draft him and Essendon did. I am upset about the whole incident because I beliebe that nobody should play with 17 year olds emotions. 17 year olds have to deal with enough growing up issues without having to deal with this sort of media circus that Sheedy contributed.
Now you also mention that nobody knows what Sheedy said to the kid and that is a very fair point, and lets assume that he did tell him that Essendon had no intention to draft him (by the way I seriously doubt that he did say that). The kid still gets publicly embarssed by the whole incident and the kid still has to deal with countless questions from peers, people on the street and possibly even media. Why did not Essendon draft you Callum!!!!What did they discover about you? Each time he is faced with this issue he has to re-live the whole scenario over and over again. This was to be one of his most memorable days in his short life, and it was, the only problem being it was the most memorable for the wrong reasons.
Shame Kevin Shame....
Ohh and Yakuza for your part to this, even if it did not have nowhere as much significance, SHAME YAKUZA SHAME....
Talk about making a mountain out of a ****ing mole hill.....sheedy said he was considering burges...he never said pick 6.....He promised nothing. Im sure burges like the other kids that didnt get drafted will survive and try again next year.
The point being, Sheedy toyed with the future of a 17yr old kid with those stupid mind games. Its one thing praising a kid, or saying he's come into consideration, its quite another saying you are interested at taking him VERY early in the draft, when clearly the kid isn't up to AFL standards (not being drafted and all). It was unethical behaviour, and should be condemned by the football community.
get ya hand of it...molesting young children is unethical behavior, so is raping women..lets get some perspective here for **** sake.
Originally posted by YAKUZA
What do you mean I lied? all I said was that I was asked to post that Fremantle would take Burges at 10, to categorize that as spreading disinformation is to draw a long bow indeed. The heartbroken bit was tongue in cheek and facetious at best.
Do I feel any remorse for Callum Burges? no more or less than I do for the hundreds of other kids that miss out on being taken each year and that is not only a legacy but one of the failings of the system.
Whilst you are quick to absolve the Eagles you should remember it was they, through one of their employees, who initiated the whole saga in the first place. Of course they didn't to the Media but by the same token they didn't miss any opportunity they had to try and deny the story, not that they convinced anybody.
As for Footygoss and the Media, I know that the West had the information ever before it filtered through to Footygoss, obviously and typically they were too weak to do anything with it. I mean **** we can't write anything derogatory about the Eagles can we? they might make it difficult for us! It was only after Footygoss did a story about it did our two fearless local rags decide to join the fray. So you see you have the sequence of events the wrong way around.
I should also tell you that certain Recruiting Managers were aware of the situation before it was in the Media or Footygoss and had raised the matter with the appropriate body.
As for this topic, I didn't read what Sheedy said about Burges and I don't particularly care but I'll tell you something there wouldn't be one person who has posted on here that would have the faintest clue what Sheedy said to Burges when they met. One thing is for sure and that is he wouldn't have told the boy that Essendon were going to draft him.
Now which bits did you write yourself and which bits did someone else ask you to write? ;) That was a huge cop out Yakuza. Just admit you got it wrong as you did with Duffield. Dasler made his own inquiries and posted that he wasn't anything special. If you were really in the know as you claim to be, you would have done the same. If you knew he was a dud and posted otherwise then thats spreading disinformation IMO. Make up your mind, you can't have it both ways.
Originally posted by Sera
Dasler made his own inquiries and posted that he wasn't anything special.
Now now Sera Yakuza is more in the know generically I feel than me. I was skeptical of Burges simply because I watch alot of junior football, and when I went to get some more info on him it wasn't impressive. That's when I knew it had to be a beat up.
I think some of Saturday's proceedings were strange to Yakuza too, let alone my disappointment in the blatant W.A shun of the colts competition. What this tells me is WA clubs don't rate homegrown talent, which is disappointing.
My personal grievance is the Burges situation wasn't handled well and I feel for the boy and his family.
no1bankteller
23 Nov 2003, 23:35
Originally posted by marcuz
get ya hand of it...molesting young children is unethical behavior, so is raping women..lets get some perspective here for **** sake.
Lets get some perspective...it seems to me that you are the one who lost the perspective following the above comment....and by the way what you describe above is illigal not just unethical.
There are different levels of unethical behaviour and Sheedy in my view behaved unethically...He specifically created a media hype about his visit to WA and he specifially mentioned Burgess. Kevin can be a great coach but sometime he just does horrificaly stupid things this is one such time.
Originally posted by dasler
and when I went to get some more info on him it wasn't impressive. That's when I knew it had to be a beat up.
This is what I am talking about. You asked other people at Hale. I myself also know people at Hale (teachers) and came across similar information. It really doesn't take much to find these things out but I guess in the end I believed because alot of people in the community were talking him up like nothing else.
Sheeds was probably asked 50 questions....maybe going something like this.....
Out here scouting kevin?...yes i am just came to check up on some young kids.
Is bradley one of them...yes i spoke to kepler
what do you make of young burges?...i spoke to callum.
Are they a chance to be picked...yes we are considering them for the draft...
Media puts 2 and 2 together all of a sudden burges is heading to windy hill with pick 6
Originally posted by Sera
This is what I am talking about. You asked other people at Hale. I myself also know people at Hale (teachers) and came across similar information. It really doesn't take much to find these things out but I guess in the end I believed because alot of people in the community were talking him up like nothing else.
Point taken, but there are reasons why people do things Sera, and I'm sure given the oppotrunity to defend himself, Yakuza will let you know.
Fact is this draft was extremly strange
no1bankteller
23 Nov 2003, 23:54
Originally posted by marcuz
Sheeds was probably asked 50 questions....maybe going something like this.....
Out here scouting kevin?...yes i am just came to check up on some young kids.
Is bradley one of them...yes i spoke to kepler
what do you make of young burges?...i spoke to callum.
Are they a chance to be picked...yes we are considering them for the draft...
Media puts 2 and 2 together all of a sudden burges is heading to windy hill with pick 6
Actually on TV he said directly to the camera that they are keen on him and are considering drafting him early
I do agree with you that media can twist things but on this occassion Sheedy was simply stupid. It not like its the first time though was it?
southjoy
24 Nov 2003, 15:54
Originally posted by Sera
This is what I am talking about. You asked other people at Hale. I myself also know people at Hale (teachers) and came across similar information. It really doesn't take much to find these things out but I guess in the end I believed because alot of people in the community were talking him up like nothing else.
I'm in agreeance that playing with a young man's life(Thats how they feel about it) is really harsh. But don't forget by us just talking about players and posting our own feelings about them and their ability that we generate discussion. When spoken so openly by someone like Sheeds then yes it can be very damaging, but maybe the Media did take things out of context and as damaging as the excert that we heard was it was taken out of a whole media conference.
I'm not sure if I understand what Dasler and Sera are talking about. Yes the media attention for those who wanted to find out about Burgess and WCE was a beatup. BUT PLEASE don't tell me that this kid can't play. He is an excellent player and when given time to mature and get tested against the best at Colts level and 18's he will be talked about once more by posters like myself and others come next year.
I for one am looking forward to the challenge of watching him play next year and curbing his abilities
Originally posted by southjoy
I'm in agreeance that playing with a young man's life(Thats how they feel about it) is really harsh. But don't forget by us just talking about players and posting our own feelings about them and their ability that we generate discussion. When spoken so openly by someone like Sheeds then yes it can be very damaging, but maybe the Media did take things out of context and as damaging as the excert that we heard was it was taken out of a whole media conference.
I'm not sure if I understand what Dasler and Sera are talking about. Yes the media attention for those who wanted to find out about Burgess and WCE was a beatup. BUT PLEASE don't tell me that this kid can't play. He is an excellent player and when given time to mature and get tested against the best at Colts level and 18's he will be talked about once more by posters like myself and others come next year.
I for one am looking forward to the challenge of watching him play next year and curbing his abilities
A degree of commonsense at last!
philhawk
2 Oct 2006, 14:39
Caleb Mourish? Callum Burges Mch II?
sinepari
2 Oct 2006, 14:40
We'll see.
Why is there a facination with reviving 3 year old threads on here of late?:confused:
sinepari
2 Oct 2006, 18:54
He's comparing the two...