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Ford Fairlane
8 Dec 2003, 19:53
Looks like at this time only 9 clubs will be going in the PSD, including Sydney which should give us #8. Effectively we'll be #6 cos the first 2 picks are locked in, and maybe #5 if Harvey is going to the Roos or maybe even b4 their pick.
So any preferences? Apparently Sydney r going for a younger player - not impressed with what's on offer among the recycleds. It's likely that's the way Port will go given the list training with them, but they've gone into other clubs backyards to pick players before - I think in the 1999 or 2000 PS/rookie drafts we didn't take one player that was training with us (don't quote me exactly on that, it is a vague memory these days).
Wright has been mentioned, but on the crow board it was mentioned Brakenridge also interested Port, as did Parry.
Kid Dynamite!
8 Dec 2003, 20:17
Wright for mine.
I could see us going for Wright pretty easily, but I still think Luke Herrington is a good smokey as a Che replacement. Cameron Ilett or Joel Campbell might be a good marketing decision. Also, considering the raise in draft age for next year and higher required age for the rookie list, this is our last & best chance to go for a bottom ager - maybe a big lump ruckman like Lachlan McGhie or someone could be good.
It'd be nice if we rewarded one of the blokes training with us, or indeed Craig Parry.
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Looks like at this time only 9 clubs will be going in the PSD, including Sydney which should give us #8. Effectively we'll be #6 cos the first 2 picks are locked in, and maybe #5 if Harvey is going to the Roos or maybe even b4 their pick.
So any preferences? Apparently Sydney r going for a younger player - not impressed with what's on offer among the recycleds. It's likely that's the way Port will go given the list training with them, but they've gone into other clubs backyards to pick players before - I think in the 1999 or 2000 PS/rookie drafts we didn't take one player that was training with us (don't quote me exactly on that, it is a vague memory these days).
Wright has been mentioned, but on the crow board it was mentioned Brakenridge also interested Port, as did Parry. Marty McGrath is the only recycled player that interests me - the Aboriginal blood around here will probably help with his attitude problems. And there's Packo but that's not gonna happen. Youngsters - Parry, Illman, Hassan r my top 3
Not sure if Hassan did himself any favours with his effort in the SANFL GF when he was targeted by the dogs. I'd go for a young ruckman type, Matt Illman would be my first choice and then Craig Parry.
Paralowiepower
8 Dec 2003, 21:09
I liked the looks of Hassan, sure he had no influence in the Gf and you are right Mic59 he was targeted, but you cant get away with doing those things in the AFL. And Im sure he was not 100% after the concussion the week before. He is quick, good around goals, great mark but most importantly has courage and commitment. Would love to hear more from a West supporter, but for me he is the type of player that gets you excited that he is in your team.
Wright is probably the safest bet.
Eddie Woloschek
9 Dec 2003, 13:58
Originally posted by Macca19
Wright is probably the safest bet.
if we're thinking safet bets, go with Packo for one more.
Originally posted by Paralowiepower
I liked the looks of Hassan, sure he had no influence in the Gf and you are right Mic59 he was targeted, but you cant get away with doing those things in the AFL. And Im sure he was not 100% after the concussion the week before. He is quick, good around goals, great mark but most importantly has courage and commitment. Would love to hear more from a West supporter, but for me he is the type of player that gets you excited that he is in your team.
You're very right there, Paralowiepower. What I'm more bothered in is that he may turn out to be the type of player Derek Murray was, courageous and skilful but tiny. And I'd like us to not turn out with another David Rodan-type, capable of flashes of brilliance but no sustained pressure.
*koulagirl
9 Dec 2003, 22:37
Originally posted by mic59
You're very right there, Paralowiepower. What I'm more bothered in is that he may turn out to be the type of player Derek Murray was, courageous and skilful but tiny. And I'd like us to not turn out with another David Rodan-type, capable of flashes of brilliance but no sustained pressure.
Sal was one of our best players throughout the season and often pulled off something inspirational to get the team out of a tight spot or just boost confidence near the end of the match. he can run all day and with regular afl training he may do well, but i'd like to keep him if you don't mind picking up someone else.
please.
and besides, he's mainly a midfielder/forward pocket kinda player, i can't see where exactly you're going to fit him in the scheme of things, now, or in the next couple of years.
Paralowiepower
9 Dec 2003, 23:32
Better we pick him up, than a Victorian team, then he wont play any footy at West Adelaide
*koulagirl
9 Dec 2003, 23:40
Originally posted by Paralowiepower
Better we pick him up, than a Victorian team, then he wont play any footy at West Adelaide
*shrugs* i'd rather not see him waste his time being a rookie with no future when he could be training with west to be an even better player and be picked up on a main list next year.
Paralowiepower
9 Dec 2003, 23:46
Originally posted by *koulagirl
*shrugs* i'd rather not see him waste his time being a rookie with no future when he could be training with west to be an even better player and be picked up on a main list next year.
He will learn alot more at an Afl club than what he would learn at Westies.
*koulagirl
9 Dec 2003, 23:58
Originally posted by Paralowiepower
He will learn alot more at an Afl club than what he would learn at Westies.
like what, exactly? i don't see anything shaun rehn can't offer that mark williams can, and it's not like you need lots of money and technology to play the game, and play it well.
Paralowiepower
10 Dec 2003, 00:05
Lets see, one is a professional club, and one is a feeder club to the AFL. You tell me.
*koulagirl
10 Dec 2003, 00:30
Originally posted by Paralowiepower
Lets see, one is a professional club, and one is a feeder club to the AFL. You tell me.
no, i was asking you.
and i believe that Sal can learn as much under Rehnny than with the power. just because westies are a 'feeder club', as you put it, or an 'sanfl club' as i would put it, the capacity for developing a player's game is not lessened. what can Sal gain by having one session a week with a bunch of guys he won't play with, compared to being a regular in one of the best leagues in australia, working with a team in a team?
Paralowiepower
10 Dec 2003, 00:37
Lets see, he can be training with guys like Primus, Carr, Francou and Super Gav 5 days a week, or at Westies with who? 3 nights a week.
Im sure I know where he will learn quicker.
*koulagirl
10 Dec 2003, 02:36
Originally posted by Paralowiepower
Lets see, he can be training with guys like Primus, Carr, Francou and Super Gav 5 days a week, or at Westies with who? 3 nights a week.
Im sure I know where he will learn quicker.
actually, i've only ever seen rookies at training on mondays.
at westies he has already spent a year with shane tuck, son of michael tuck, and the recently retired tim symes, and will continue to work with such players as darren bradshaw, ed richardson, possibly ben marsh still, david piasente, luke norman... and many other players who are at/close to reaching the standard of play where they can play afl. the fact that they choose not to(or are not drafted or played every week) does not mean they can not.
as you and others have told me in the past, training is different from games, and as such wouldn't he benefit from playing games with the boys he knows rather than training with those he doesn't play with? how are you supposed to learn the game if you don't play it? how are you supposed to enjoy the game when you switch between teams as regularly as socks or tv channels? you may say that training mates are not important, but that's where you build camaraderie and trust in your teammates, you practise what the coach wants you to do on the ground, you learn to work together so that you can predict them on the ground because you know them as well as yourself.
taking Sal out of monday training and putting him in power training may well affect his game, and then you'll wonder why you bothered with him in the first place.
Ford Fairlane
10 Dec 2003, 07:01
Don't confuse fitting in with the team pattern with improving yourself as a player. Port's rookie list players generally have impressed over the last few years. They're in the hunger zone - not on an AFL list but a heartbeat away so they're out to prove themselves. They train once a week with elite (for the sport) athletes so they know the intensity required and boundaries they have to break to achieve their dream and if they have any desire they'll push those boundaries - there's just not that incentive once you're consigned to SANFL. They're on a list cos they want to be - no one's twisted their arm. And they're not just learning from Williams - there's an army of skills coaches out there analysing what you do, giving advice on how to improve. Not to mention nutritionists, psychologists, physios with top line rehab advice and facilities. Personally I think Hassan is too small for AFL but Port have been willing to look at those guys on rookie lists in recent years (eg Borlace, Hollands).
BTW he won't be working with Bradshaw in 2004.
Macca19
10 Dec 2003, 15:49
Originally posted by *koulagirl
no, i was asking you.
and i believe that Sal can learn as much under Rehnny than with the power. just because westies are a 'feeder club', as you put it, or an 'sanfl club' as i would put it, the capacity for developing a player's game is not lessened. what can Sal gain by having one session a week with a bunch of guys he won't play with, compared to being a regular in one of the best leagues in australia, working with a team in a team?
Theres plenty of things he could learn at the Power and being at an AFL club. If he'd only be training for 1 session a week then really the question has to be put towards you - how would training 1 session a week at an AFL club seriously disadvantage him? For someone who would be training only once a week at Alberton you make it sound like he will be shipped off there and will never be able to leave the ground ever again.
As for what he could learn?Maybe being shown how he can improve his game, training, mental ability etc. to become a full time AFL player. Learning from some players who are rated in the top echelon of footballers in this country like Francou, Primus, James, Tredrea. Id back he'd learn a lot more off the likes of Francou and Primus than off David Piasente.
Russian
10 Dec 2003, 15:54
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
BTW he won't be working with Bradshaw in 2004. I'll stay out of the rest of it, but what's happening to Bradshaw?
Bradshaw has a sick grandmother in QLD.
blackdiamond
11 Dec 2003, 12:54
Originally posted by sog35
Bradshaw has a sick grandmother in QLD.
Isn't that the same gag Jon played on Survivor?
Russian
11 Dec 2003, 13:48
There's a story (not the most reliable one i've seen but...) on the Melbourne board that Clint Bizzell will quit Melbourne. Doubt he'd make it to our pick but would we be interested?
Originally posted by Russian
There's a story (not the most reliable one i've seen but...) on the Melbourne board that Clint Bizzell will quit Melbourne. Doubt he'd make it to our pick but would we be interested?
He's also got a year to run on his contract I think. ****ty timing. If he'd quit before the main draft he'd have either been around by our first pick or at least have pushed a good younger player further down the list we might have been interested in. Now ... can't strike a deal with Melbourne at this stage. :(
Porthos
11 Dec 2003, 16:07
Bizzell is a good player, but I wouldn't trade Chaplin for him.
Russian
11 Dec 2003, 17:09
X_box_X has apparently resorted to making up hoaxes to keep some discussion on these boards. Time for another pointless thread.
Ford Fairlane
12 Dec 2003, 20:23
From the AFL site
Draft order for next Tuesday’s pre-season draft:
Round One
(1) Western Bulldogs, (2) Carlton, (3) Melbourne, (4) Richmond, (5) Geelong, (6) Kangaroos, (7) Hawthorn, (8) Fremantle, (9) Adelaide, (10) Port Adelaide
Round Two
(11) Richmond, (12) Port Adelaide
Interesting that Port will be having two picks. Wonder if they will go for an experienced player with one of those picks and a young player with the other.
Russian
13 Dec 2003, 01:06
afl.com.au :rolleyes:
They say we have 2 picks in the PSD, then they link to an article saying we already have 37 on the list of 38. Which one is it???
Ford Fairlane
13 Dec 2003, 07:53
Originally posted by Russian
afl.com.au :rolleyes:
They say we have 2 picks in the PSD, then they link to an article saying we already have 37 on the list of 38. Which one is it???
Hmm yes that's a bit strange. One for the X Files.
To add to the mystery Port have said in today's Tiser (no link yet) they'll go for an experienced player and see who's available before they decide to use their second pick. Maybe they've flagged an intention to vet's list Gav?
The way some reports are talking Phil Read could fall thru. Would you take him?
blackdiamond
13 Dec 2003, 11:33
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
The way some reports are talking Phil Read could fall thru. Would you take him?
I would take him, sure he has had some problems with his knees but he is worth a punt. There is an huge upside, especially his toughness, if he comes through.
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
The way some reports are talking Phil Read could fall thru. Would you take him?
I would. Surely as good a punt as Wade Chapman was a few years ago.
Porthos
13 Dec 2003, 13:04
I like Phil Read's game, but not his position. How many ****ing back flankers do we need?
Ford Fairlane
13 Dec 2003, 20:28
Thought that might be your view. Don't s'pose it helps that he could tag too ... ;)
I'd be surprised if he dropped down to our pick, but maybe he has contractual demands that make a rookie player more appealing.
PAfolwr
14 Dec 2003, 10:44
My preference is talls, talls and only talls.
We have enough midfielders and other "smalls" that need to be given game time. Lets find out what we got before we look for quick fixes.
Wrt talls, we should do what we did with rucks a few years back. Get heaps on the list, and eventually one or two will stand up.
Why is it good to have heaps? Because the one that eventually stands up is not always the obvious candidate, and we need a tall or two to stand up.
Ford Fairlane
14 Dec 2003, 11:55
We have a few talls out training - Ellis, Grocke, Pfitzner and Illman - most would likely be rookie list prospects unless they've shown some good form at training. With two picks possible in the PSD Stewie would be checking out Max Basheer Reserve - particular interest in Parry I'd hope. There's also Gayfer training at Collingwood and maybe Crowe delisted by the Roos.
Russian
14 Dec 2003, 14:33
Haven't looked into players too much but this is what I'm after in the rookie draft and PSD:
Teenage ruckman - could be Parry but wouldn't be top of the list in this category, Dubieniecki could be
Tall back (pocket/flank) e.g. Gayfer (replacement for Bish)
Small BP - plenty of HBF's but not many BP's, I reckon u could make Marty McGrath a good BP
Small forward - Sansbury
Wingman - Hassan
Another young KPP - Parry?
Matt Illman - worth a punt
Ford Fairlane
14 Dec 2003, 19:02
Is Luke Molan worth a look? Or too many injuries already?
(PS - Sansbury's already been drafted)
Hassan's not a wingman either.
Paralowiepower
15 Dec 2003, 11:46
He could be turned into one.
NorthBhoy
15 Dec 2003, 13:51
Originally posted by Russian
Small forward - Sansbury
Might not happen.........
Russian
15 Dec 2003, 14:33
Originally posted by NorthBhoy
Might not happen......... When I said Sansbury I meant Hassan, then I got myself all confused when I remembered Hassan's name then I stuck him on a wing since the forward's spot was taken. Wingman's spot is up for grabs
NorthBhoy
15 Dec 2003, 15:24
Originally posted by Russian
When I said Sansbury I meant Hassan,
Even less likely than Sansbury!!!!
They caught him mate.....
Russian
15 Dec 2003, 16:36
Originally posted by NorthBhoy
Even less likely than Sansbury!!!!
They caught him mate..... That's worse than Channel 7
Russian
15 Dec 2003, 18:07
Channel Nine reported we will take in the PSD:
Brett Jones
Details:
Club: University Amateurs/Claremont
DOB: 6 Aug 82 Hgt: 187cm Wgt: 80kg
Position: Defender
Natural foot: Unknown
Honours:
National Draft Camp Invitee 2003
Profile:
Once again, I haven't seen him play, but Brett is a possible mature age recruit, having turned 21 a couple of months ago.
Pre draft camp he was described as a "medium, inside defender who can go forward if needed. Aggressive, hard at it type who in his first year at Claremont after playing amateurs last year. Is also a gifted cricketer, playing for the WA 2nd XI last year."
Jones put in some good efforts at the camp, ranking in the top 10 for the sprint and vertical leap.
Russian
15 Dec 2003, 19:06
just read the profile i posted - looks like another frickin half back flanker!!! Hopefully Channel 9 are wrong
tashibatts
15 Dec 2003, 19:06
Brett Jones's brother, Chad Jones was drafted to the Roos.. We got the tall one:) (195 cms)
Go Roos
Ford Fairlane
15 Dec 2003, 19:45
You can never have enough half back flankers ... apparently ...
Still, what's Ch 9's source? That Port might've spoken to Jones in the last six weeks? I'm sure they've spoken to a lot of guys. They have a dozen training with them, and their eye on a couple over the fence. All will be revealed soon enough ...