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Sth Africa are 0/134 in the 34th over against the Windie's.
There looks to be only about 100 - 200 people at this game in Johannesburg.
stmookeyj
13 Dec 2003, 02:07
Saffies ended day 1 on aboput 3/350 odd, and Gayle is injured for the Windies. Hardly anyone turns up to test matches in South Africa for some reason. Even last year when they played us the standds were at least half empty.
Darrell Hair had a Steve Bucknor moment last night.Herschelle Gibbs was out bowled,but replays showed that Collymore was well over the bowling line and shoud've been no-balled.
Gayle looked like he'd been shot.It took about 10 minutes to carry him off,yet it was only a strained muscle in his leg.
Cricketer's are starting to become as wussy as soccer players.
dr nick
13 Dec 2003, 06:59
is this match on fox sports?
Originally posted by nicko18
is this match on fox sports?
Yep.It's starts at 7.30pm [Vic/NSW time] each night.
St-KriS
13 Dec 2003, 07:52
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Gayle looked like he'd been shot.It took about 10 minutes to carry him off,yet it was only a strained muscle in his leg.
I tuned in just as Gayle was on the ground and I thought he must have done something major like a knee (ala Simon Jones in the Ashes) not just a muscle strain.
Originally posted by St-KriS
I tuned in just as Gayle was on the ground and I thought he must have done something major like a knee (ala Simon Jones in the Ashes) not just a muscle strain.
I thought the same.I watched the last few minutes of Funny Farm,then flicked over to see Gayle lying near the boundary and hardly moving.I thought he must've broken a leg or done a knee,until they showed a replay. :o
Fall Out Boy
13 Dec 2003, 14:08
That young West Indian is a chucker. The black Ian Meckiff.
He's a Slinger, it looks dodgy but until I see his action in profile I won't can him.
How good is Smith!
SpecialBruce
14 Dec 2003, 16:19
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
That young West Indian is a chucker.
Edwards is not a chucker. No bloody way.
I don't have fox so I have no idea about how bad Gayle's injury is, but apparently he was fielding outside of slips. Which is very strange. Dillon was in slips and Gayle in the field. I don't know what Lara was thinking.
Edwards is useless. He bowls quick but he is too short to make that pace become awkward to play....Curtly ambrose bowling at 140kms would be a lot harder to face than edwards bowling at 155kms. It is that steep bounce that gets batsmen out not fast skidding deliveries.
SpecialBruce
14 Dec 2003, 16:27
Originally posted by marcuz
Edwards is useless. He bowls quick but he is too short to make that pace become awkward to play....Curtly ambrose bowling at 140kms would be a lot harder to face than edwards bowling at 155kms. It is that steep bounce that gets batsmen out not fast skidding deliveries.
Fair go! He is only 21 years of age and into his 4th test match. Give him time.
Fall Out Boy
14 Dec 2003, 16:34
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Edwards is not a chucker. No bloody way.
Deadset, you'd defend Murali's action if he were West Indian.
He is 21.....he aint going to get any taller.
SpecialBruce
14 Dec 2003, 17:07
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Deadset, you'd defend Murali's action if he were West Indian.
I defend Murali's actions anyway. Same with Akhtars.
I now hope that Edwards doesn't play against Australia next summer in the VB series and then the following year. He'll bowl well, Australia will complain that he chucks and he will be investigated.It's no coincidence that Akhtar and Lawson were both investigated for chucking after playing Australia for the first time.
It's Brett Useless Lee who chucks, but everyone who follows the Australian cricket team makes an uproar about it when he is questioned, yet the Australian's always complain about chucking when other bowlers bowl well against them and/or other teams. Result being that Australian cricket followers can't hack it when the dirt is turned on their own.
Think about that one.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
I now hope that Edwards doesn't play against Australia next summer in the VB series and then the following year. He'll bowl well, Australia will complain that he chucks and he will be investigated.It's no coincidence that Akhtar and Lawson were both investigated for chucking after playing Australia for the first time.
Australia's batsmen will destroy the kid. From what i have seen of him he is nothing special. Merv Dillion bowling well is the hardest West Indian bowler to face.
I defend Murali's actions anyway. Same with Akhtars.
Nobody with half a brain can defend Murali. Akhtar only throws on certain deliveries. Same with Lee.
SpecialBruce
14 Dec 2003, 17:31
Originally posted by marcuz
Merv Dillion bowling well is the hardest West Indian bowler to face.
I reckon Drakes would be.
Drakes bowled very well yesterday. It's a shame he couldn't represent the windies sooner due to their play at home policy.
I just reckon Dillion gets the ball to rear up off a good length which makes him very hard to play at times. He doesnt do it enough though.
BTW what happened to that left armer they had...Collins?
dr nick
14 Dec 2003, 18:30
btw... Dillon not appealing for that LBW is outrageous. If i was Darryl Hair i would have waited a good 10 seconds untill Dillon turned around. It's common courtesy.
SpecialBruce
14 Dec 2003, 18:52
Originally posted by marcuz
Drakes bowled very well yesterday. It's a shame he couldn't represent the windies sooner due to their play at home policy.
I just reckon Dillion gets the ball to rear up off a good length which makes him very hard to play at times. He doesnt do it enough though.
BTW what happened to that left armer they had...Collins?
Yeah, Pedro Collins, he's been playing at domestic level. I don't rate him that much. Hasn't been considered for any of the latest squads.
Wicked Lester
14 Dec 2003, 19:09
Originally posted by marcuz
It is that steep bounce that gets batsmen out not fast skidding deliveries.
There was this bloke called Malcolm Marshall who at his height did not bowl steepling deliveries but only fast skidding deliveries.
Perhaps its got a bit to do with line, length, seam and swing - as well as bounce.
There was this bloke called Malcolm Marshall who at his height did not bowl steepling deliveries but only fast skidding deliveries.
Perhaps its got a bit to do with line, length, seam and swing - as well as bounce.
True..But i'd rather face a malcolm marshall than a joel Garner.
Fall Out Boy
14 Dec 2003, 19:14
Are you related to 'Gregg'?
I've never seen so many generalisations and assumptions in all my life. More conspiracy theories then an Oliver Stone film.
Fidel has a horrendous, horrific action... but for mine, he doesn't chuck. It's just the worst action in international cricket. Good luck to him, though.
2/138 after 58 overs...very very slow scoring rate. Lara and Ganga are at the crease.
Thanks. Another sleep session
dr nick
14 Dec 2003, 19:38
I watched for 10 minutes, during which Lara had a nightmare facing Ntini. Dropped at 1st slip, fending bouncers in the air, playing and missing. I wonder how he's been getting all these runs lately?
Lara is struggling and its a shame because there is no better batsmen to watch when he is on. As for Ntini he bowls in the same spot every delivery. Langer and Hayden worked that out about him and took him to the cleaners when we played them.
Fall Out Boy
14 Dec 2003, 20:10
Originally posted by marcuz
Who you talkin to phat?
Our West Indian supporting friend. I didn't quote him because at the time there were no other posts after his.
Fall Out Boy
14 Dec 2003, 20:11
Originally posted by nicko18
I watched for 10 minutes, during which Lara had a nightmare facing Ntini. Dropped at 1st slip, fending bouncers in the air, playing and missing. I wonder how he's been getting all these runs lately?
BC is a bit of a flat track bully.
McGrath has shown that if you put concerted pressure on him, he crumbles. Ntini and co. are also showing that Lara struggles with genuine bounce.
Fall Out Boy
14 Dec 2003, 20:12
Originally posted by marcuz
2/138 after 58 overs...very very slow scoring rate. Lara and Ganga are at the crease.
2.3 runs an over.
Hey, managed 3 off the first ball after lunch, things are looking up.
Fall Out Boy
14 Dec 2003, 20:23
How bad is the running between the wickets?
Chanderpaul nurdles ;) the ball behind square leg, takes off without looking at his partner, then turns his back on Lara and goes back, without saying a word.
Horribly lazy. If Lara had been run out, he'd have every right to have Chanderpaul's nuts.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Horribly lazy. If Lara had been run out, he'd have every right to have Chanderpaul's nuts. You're sounding like Glenn McGrath. :eek:
SpecialBruce
14 Dec 2003, 21:54
3/224 after 82.
Lara 90 off 126
Chanderpaul 22 off 70
Partnership 83 runs off 21 overs with a run rate of 3.87.
Lara hit a 4 so he's now 94 off 128. About to post his 23rd test century.
Trail by 333. Will be a draw.
SpecialBruce
14 Dec 2003, 22:32
Lara has his 23rd test century and first against South Africa.
3/239 at Tea. Lara sitting on 100 and Chanderpaul 23.
Fall Out Boy
15 Dec 2003, 07:27
Brilliant innings for Lara, by the end.
His first 60-70 were very streaky, but he showed a fair bit of grit (which he isn't known for) to get out of the slump and go on and make a big one.
The Windies are 6/363 at stumps.
Lara is 178*
Lara has broken the test record for most runs in one over.He hit spinner Robin Petersen for 28 [Two 6's,Four 4's]
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Brilliant innings for Lara
Unlike Chanderpaul,who hit 34 off about 120 balls.Is he the Windies version of Michael Bevan ?
He'll bore the opposition to death.
kretchy
15 Dec 2003, 07:53
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Lara has broken the test record for most runs in one over.He hit spinner Robin Petersen for 28 [Two 6's,Four 4's]
119.6 Peterson to Lara, FOUR, races to the 3rd man boundary
119.5 Peterson to Lara, FOUR, back over the bowler's head
119.4 Peterson to Lara, FOUR, brings up 350 runs for WI
119.3 Peterson to Lara, SIX, pulled over mid-wicket
119.2 Peterson to Lara, SIX, over the head of Nel at mid-on
119.1 Peterson to Lara, FOUR, clubbed to the boundary, at point
I think chanderpaul had to play an innings like that to hold up one end. Lara was doing the blitzing he just had to keep his wicket. Still i wouldnt pay money to watch him bat.
Originally posted by Bresh
It's just the worst action in international cricket.
I think a young South African spinner by the name of Adams would have something ti say about that... :D
St-KriS
15 Dec 2003, 07:58
I watched all of Lara's inning's last night and he was brilliant towards the end. I think he scared that Peterson guy for life. :p
Gee they have some quality spinners south africa. Bring back Pat Symcox.:D
And what about this Andre Nel. Played about 7 or 8 tests and tries to intimidate brian lara:rolleyes:. Earn your stripes numnuts!
rfctigerarmy
15 Dec 2003, 08:38
Originally posted by kretchy
119.6 Peterson to Lara, FOUR, races to the 3rd man boundary
119.5 Peterson to Lara, FOUR, back over the bowler's head
119.4 Peterson to Lara, FOUR, brings up 350 runs for WI
119.3 Peterson to Lara, SIX, pulled over mid-wicket
119.2 Peterson to Lara, SIX, over the head of Nel at mid-on
119.1 Peterson to Lara, FOUR, clubbed to the boundary, at point
Bloody amazing.
A new record 28 off an over. Thats what they said on the news this morning.
SpecialBruce
15 Dec 2003, 09:24
Hopefully our tail stays around. With Dillon at the crease, he should stay around for a bit and let Lara make his 200.
Going to be an interesting fourth day.
If Gayle can somehow bat, I think we'll get close to South Africa's score.
That was a superb innings by Lara. People who say he's old and useless should look at that Innings. He is only 11 centuries away from the record? Record is 34 isn't it?
Fall Out Boy
15 Dec 2003, 09:28
Getting close to their score might be a bit much to ask, i'd say about 100 behind.
Either way, they won't lose, which is a great feat after conceeding 560 odd.
SpecialBruce
15 Dec 2003, 09:35
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Getting close to their score might be a bit much to ask, i'd say about 100 behind.
Either way, they won't lose, which is a great feat after conceeding 560 odd.
My guess is Lara will start the day playing it safe to get to 200, then he will go smashing and when he gets out, he'll declare or we'll be all out.
SpecialBruce
15 Dec 2003, 18:15
Dillon just got out for 13.
7/385.
Gayle has come out to bat. So this is going to be interesting. There's still hope to chase down the last 176 or get close to it, but Lara will have to do the whole work. My guess is that Lara wanted Gayle to come out if Dillon got out to stay around whilst Lara did the work rather than rely on someone like Collymore or Edwards to stay around while Lara does the work.
Fall Out Boy
15 Dec 2003, 19:02
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
If Gayle can somehow bat, I think we'll get close to South Africa's score.
He batted, you didn't get within 150.
A great effort from Lara. Good fightback all round from the Windies.
Why didn't Drakes share the new ball will Dillon? Edwards sprayed it all over the shop! Surely the guile of Drakes is of more use with a shiny cherry than the pure speed of Edwards? Edwards won't get any slower with an older ball, while Drakes might not get the same movement now.
SA are 0/67,but Herschelle Gibbs has retired hurt.The ball from Drakes went through the grill of his helmet and broke his nose.
SpecialBruce
15 Dec 2003, 22:39
Originally posted by BT
A great effort from Lara. Good fightback all round from the Windies.
Why didn't Drakes share the new ball will Dillon? Edwards sprayed it all over the shop! Surely the guile of Drakes is of more use with a shiny cherry than the pure speed of Edwards? Edwards won't get any slower with an older ball, while Drakes might not get the same movement now.
Edwards has been opening in I think each of his test matches thus far. Most of them anyway. Drakes is in his 30's whilst Edwards is only young. We're concentrating on youth and developing our youth hence why Edwards is opening the bowling. I think that is about right. He's our future.
red+black
15 Dec 2003, 22:45
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
He batted, you didn't get within 150.
Aaah, but they did get within 152.
The Windies need 378 to win,but they're 3/31 at stumps.
SpecialBruce
16 Dec 2003, 12:47
Originally posted by JUBJUB
The Windies need 378 to win,but they're 3/31 at stumps.
We made 418 in the last innings against Australia. Lara still in is a bonus. Chanderpaul can hang around all day, so if we can't win, we will force a draw. I'd like Gayle to come in next regardless.
I'm edging towards a draw.
SpecialBruce
16 Dec 2003, 18:11
5/49.
Lost Sarwan and then Lara.
Chanderpaul and Jacobs now need to draw this game. I know that winning it now is impossible unless Chanderpaul and Jacobs both make centuries or one does and one makes close to it.
Chanderpaul can hang around for a while and so can Jacobs. If only Gayle could walk well, all would be good for the draw. Going to be one interesting final day now, whats left of it anyway.
SpecialBruce
16 Dec 2003, 19:41
5/137 off 47 at Lunch with a run rate of 3.70
They came together at 5/43, they have been around for 20.3 overs and have a 94 run partnership with the run rate being 4.59.
Require another 241 runs for victory with 5 wickets remaining and 63 overs.
Chanderpaul is on 62 off 73 balls after hitting 10 runs in the last over before lunch and Jacobs is on 25. Considering Chanderpaul hit 34 off about 125 in the first innings and was staying in and letting Lara do the work, he must think that we can chase this down. He's playing the game whilst Jacobs is playing the support.
If we happen to win this, which is a long way off yet, a draw will be likely, it will beat the win we had against Australia earlier on in the year when we made the record of chasing Australia's 217. Especially after conceding 500 runs in the first innings and then getting to 400 odd in our first innings. And losing our opening batter to a severe Hamstring injury effectively having only 10 batters instead of the 11.
Could there be 2 test matches at the same time in which the underdog came back and won after conceding 500 odd in the first innings? Time will tell. It will be freaky if it happens. The Windies would have seen India do it against the best test nation in the world, so that might drive them to do it against South Africa.
SA are about to win.The Windies are 9/188.
Andre Nel will get his head knocked off one day if he keeps giving send offs.I think you'll find he'll be in trouble for his send off of Chris Gayle.
SA have just won.
SpecialBruce
16 Dec 2003, 21:32
Originally posted by JUBJUB
SA are about to win.The Windies are 9/188.
Andre Nel will get his head knocked off one day if he keeps giving send offs.I think you'll find he'll be in trouble for his send off of Chris Gayle.
SA have just won.
What did he do?
We lost when Chanderpaul got out. He at least did have a good run scoring innings rather than just playing it out slowly and letting the other players do the work.
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
What did he do?
He had Gayle caught behind and he ran up to Gayle and just stuck his tongue out and made a face at him.Dunno if A.Nel said anything.The commentators weren't impressed.
Gayle,who could barely move with his injured leg,had slammed A.Nel for 5 4's off his previous 8 balls.
SpecialBruce
17 Dec 2003, 08:55
Originally posted by JUBJUB
He had Gayle caught behind and he ran up to Gayle and just stuck his tongue out and made a face at him.Dunno if A.Nel said anything.The commentators weren't impressed.
Gayle,who could barely move with his injured leg,had slammed A.Nel for 5 4's off his previous 8 balls.
Cheers. I know he pounded him but didn't know about what Nel did.
Nel was fined half his match fee.
Andre Nel was fined half his match payment. He is a very angry man. I havn't seen anyone this aggressive since Glen McGrath. After nearly every ball he follows through to the batsman, giving this crazed " I'm gonna kill you look". Handy player too have. Just gotta take it easy when he takes a wicket.
SpecialBruce
17 Dec 2003, 13:04
I have worked out that if we are to win the second test, we bring in a bowler for Gayle. If you think about it, we batted and scored most our runs without Gayle. He only helped a little bit. He's going to be a big loss, but we can replace him. We struggled to bowl out South Africa and if we are to win, we need to bowl out South Africa in both innings basically.
So instead of using 4 pace bowlers and part timers in Hinds, Sarwan and Chanderpaul, this should be our lineup for the second test starting Boxing Day.
1. Wavell Hinds
2. Daren Ganga
3. Ramnaresh Sarwan
4. Brian Lara
5. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
6. Ridley Jacobs
7. Vasbert Drakes
8. Mervyn Dillon
9. Dave Mohammad
10. Fidel Edwards
11. Adam Sanford
12th Man: Dwayne Smith
13th Man: Carlton Baugh
14th Man: Ravi Rampaul
15th Man: Corey Collymore
16th Man: Chris Gayle (Injured)
Out: Chris Gayle and Corey Collymore
In: Adam Sanford (pace), Dave Mohammad (Chinaman left arm)
Collymore is crap and Sanford would be a better option.
What's the go with Marlon Samuels and Ricardo Powell?
You've certainly changed your tune...
From:
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Personally, I'd like to see Edwards, Collymore, Drakes and Dillon in the starting 11. Edwards and Dillon both opening the bowling or Edwards and Collymore.
To:
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Collymore is crap and Sanford would be a better option.
Are you always up and down like a yoyo?
Originally posted by ZimZum
Andre Nel was fined half his match payment. He is a very angry man. I havn't seen anyone this aggressive since Glen McGrath. After nearly every ball he follows through to the batsman, giving this crazed " I'm gonna kill you look".
He seems a bit retarded when he gets a wicket.He carries on more than Brett Lee does when Lee bowls a tailender.
If he keeps up,he will get his head knocked by a batsman.
Originally posted by Bresh
What's the go with Marlon Samuels and Ricardo Powell?
I think Samuels was ruled out of the touring squad because of injury.
Originally posted by JUBJUB
He seems a bit retarded when he gets a wicket.He carries on more than Brett Lee does when Lee bowls a tailender.
If he keeps up,he will get his head knocked by a batsman.
I think Nel has been eating too much wildebeast. I think things could get quite heated in this series, if Nel keeps acting like that. Everyone says the aussies are the worst behaved in cricket, but after watching Sth Africa at home in their last few series, they take the cake. Although it does make great viewing. The last Sth Africa/Sri Lanka series was awesome.
SpecialBruce
17 Dec 2003, 16:10
Originally posted by Bresh
What's the go with Marlon Samuels and Ricardo Powell?
Samuels was ruled out before the series due to a knee injury. It sucked because our other allrounder Omari Banks was ruled out of the series aswell due to injury. And we didn't send over any all rounders, but rather a bowler and a batter. It's ****ed us up I reckon coz we either have to go in with 3 fast and 1 spin or 4 fast and 1 spin and going in with a less batsman. Hopefully Gayle pulls up quick.
Powell is like Bevan. Only a one day player. I don't like it. I'd prefer it if Powell was brought into the test squad for the injured Samuels, but instead they flew someone over.
The selectors didn't have brains and were mighty drunk when they didn't replace one of the 2 allrounders with a true allrounder.
Originally posted by ZimZum
The last Sth Africa/Sri Lanka series was awesome.
The running commentary from the Sri Lankan wicket keeper was interesting in that series.
He kept saying to Ashwell Prince [I think] "We know why your in the side" [refering to him being black].
Cooldude
17 Dec 2003, 21:47
Originally posted by JUBJUB
The running commentary from the Sri Lankan wicket keeper was interesting in that series.
He kept saying to Ashwell Prince [I think] "We know why your in the side" [refering to him being black].
Funny how the Sri Lankans keep portraiting themselves as victims in a lot of ugly incidents when they gave as much as they take.
It's true, they think anyone who has a go at them are racists.