What is going to be the Aussie one day squad for this series

[acuguy]

I wonder if the selectors now are going to turn their eyes and efforts towards the next one day world cup, by starting to develop a team for it, or is it too early

Selecting for the now
Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Martyn
Symonds
Bevan
Clarke
Lee
Noffke
Hauritz
Bracken
12man Rofe

Selecting for the next world cup

Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Symonds
Clarke
Bevan
Watson
Noffke
Lee
Hauritz
Bracken
12th man Rofe

There not too dissimilar, there is no other spinner screaming pick pick me for the one day game, Hauritz has a good one day record

What do u guys think?

[Cupido13]

So, it looks as though you are assuming that everyone is going to perform well throughout the whole series, never get tired or injured and there is no need for a 12th man. Or, did you mean 1 day side?? If you meant squad, it would probably be the first time ever that Australia had announced a squad with only 11 players in it.

[acuguy]

I have added my 12th man

What was your squad Cupido

[Cupido13]

The squad would surely have to contain about 13-14 players. And, if I am not mistaken a World Cup Squad contains 15. Busy at the minute, I will have a good think about it and put it together after my lunch break.

[Cupido13]

By the way, are we picking who we would like to see picked? Or, just who we think the selectors will pick? If the second is the case then the squad will be the same as went to India barring injury.

[acuguy]

i am interested in seeing the side you would like to see for the first one dayer, choose only 12

then put the team you think the selectors will choose, once again only 12

i am on holidays, so just sweating it out in brissie,

[Fall Out Boy]

No Ian Harvey?

Have a look at his bowling record over the past 6 months in ODI's and tell me he doesn't deserve a game.

In a country in desperate need for bowling strength, Harvey is a ****ing certainty.

[acuguy]

Harvey hasn't scored a run in four years

[Black Thunder]

why no Jason Gillespie?? one would assume he is fit by the One Day Series? although i cna't say i know what the answer to that question is.

Squad:

Adam Gilchrist (+)
Matt Hayden
Ricky Ponting (*)
Damien Martyn
Michael Bevan
Michael Clarke
Andrew Symonds/Ian Harvey
Brett Lee
Nathan Hauritz
Jason Gillespie/Brad Williams
Nathan Bracken

Simon Katich/Darren Lehmann
Brad Williams/Ashley Noffke
Andy Bichel

[Black Thunder]

Itll come down to Harvey and Symonds for the number 7 spot in the team.

If you look at their form, both are in career best form.

Since the start of the CWC 02/03:

Ian Harvey
18 matches
173 runs at 19.22, HS: 48*
28 wkts at 20.00, ER: 4.58

Andrew Symonds
26 matches
722 runs at 51.57, HS: 143*
13 wickets at 40.84, ER: 4.96


for a bit more recent form, Since the World Cup finished:
Ian Harvey
12 matches
107 runs at 18.83, HS: 48*
20 wkts at 20.15, ER: 4.52

Andrew Symonds
17 matches
396 runs at 33.00, HS: 71
11 wkts at 37.09, ER: 5.1


basically it will come down to whether they want a bowling all roudner and a batting all rounder........i would find it very hard to see fitting both of them in the team.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by acuguy
Harvey hasn't scored a run in four years

And your point?

His bowling is as good as any Aussies over the last 6 months, deserves selection as a bowler.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Black Thunder
Itll come down to Harvey and Symonds for the number 7 spot in the team.

If you look at their form, both are in career best form.

Since the start of the CWC 02/03:

Ian Harvey
18 matches
173 runs at 19.22, HS: 48*
28 wkts at 20.00, ER: 4.58

Andrew Symonds
26 matches
722 runs at 51.57, HS: 143*
13 wickets at 40.84, ER: 4.96


for a bit more recent form, Since the World Cup finished:
Ian Harvey
12 matches
107 runs at 18.83, HS: 48*
20 wkts at 20.15, ER: 4.52

Andrew Symonds
17 matches
396 runs at 33.00, HS: 71
11 wkts at 37.09, ER: 5.1


basically it will come down to whether they want a bowling all roudner and a batting all rounder........i would find it very hard to see fitting both of them in the team.

Given our weak bowling, Harvey is a certainty, regardless.

Given Harvey recent brilliant bowling form, why couldn't he be selected as a bowler? He is certainly in better form then some mentioned.

Symonds at 7, Harvey 8 and drop a bowler.

[Dogga]

Symonds & Harvey will both be included & Hogg will get the spinning gig over Hauritz. It will be interesting to see what they do with the fast bowlers. McGrath will be pushing for selection by then & perhaps the selectors will want to have a look at the likes of Noffke, Tait & Rofe with a view of taking one to Sri Lanka.

If Gillespie, McGrath & Lee are all fit along with the need for some new blood we may see guys like Bichel get squeezed out of the one dayers.

[acuguy]

Harvey has to play as an allrounder not as purely a bowler, his selection is a very short term one, they should bypass him and look to the future.

[Jars458]

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Lehmann
Martyn
Bevan
Harvey
Lee
Hogg
Gillespie
Bracken

Symonds
White
Clarke
Williams

[Russian]

Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Martyn - assuming Lehmann won't play this series
Clarke
Bevan
Harvey - until Watson is able to return
Hogg - to be replaced by Warne when he returns
Lee
Gillespie/McGrath - don't play them together in ODI's anymore, let Lee & Bracken take over
Bracken

Symonds
McGrath/Gillespie
Katich
Bichel
Maher

[LFC]

Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Martyn
Bevan
Symonds^
Harvey^
Bichel^
Lee
Gillespie
McGrath

** Rotated places**
The spots to be rotated are marked with ^
The places to be taken with: Clarke, Lehmann( subject to fitness ) Hogg ( until the great man returns ) and Bracken.

[Cupido13]

Adam Gilchrist (+)
Matt Hayden
Ricky Ponting (*)
Damien Martyn
Michael Clarke
Michael Bevan
Andrew Symonds
Brett Lee
Ian Harvey
Jason Gillespie
Nathan Bracken


If I was picking the side and Lehmann was fit I would drop Martyn and bring him in.

[murphy2bedabest]

Originally posted by Cupido13
Adam Gilchrist (+)
Matt Hayden
Ricky Ponting (*)
Damien Martyn
Michael Clarke
Michael Bevan
Andrew Symonds
Brett Lee
Ian Harvey
Jason Gillespie
Nathan Bracken


If I was picking the side and Lehmann was fit I would drop Martyn and bring him in.

fair call and fair side, what no spinner mcgill,hogg or white?
mcgill cant play but hogg or white

1hayden
2 gilly
3 ponting
4martyn
5 clarke
6 beven
7 symonds
8 harvey
9 white???? (develop him to take over from warne in time)
10 lee
11 gillespie
12 bracken

all can bat....

[DIG]

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Martyn
Bevan
Symonds
Clarke
Harvey
Lee
Gillespie
Bracken

Symonds and Clarke to share 5th bowler.

If 14 squad then
Hogg
Watson
Williams
and rotate them through.

Call up Ryan Campbell if/when Gilchrist is rested or (lord help us)injured.

[Fall Out Boy]

I like that squad, DIG.

I see no point in playing Hogg or Hauritz simply to have a spinner, Clarke's spin is every bit as good as either of those two, so i'd go without a specialist spinner.

[Catman]

Originally posted by acuguy
I wonder if the selectors now are going to turn their eyes and efforts towards the next one day world cup, by starting to develop a team for it, or is it too early

Selecting for the now
Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Martyn
Symonds
Bevan
Clarke
Lee
Noffke
Hauritz
Bracken
12man Rofe

Selecting for the next world cup

Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Symonds
Clarke
Bevan
Watson
Noffke
Lee
Hauritz
Bracken
12th man Rofe

There not too dissimilar, there is no other spinner screaming pick pick me for the one day game, Hauritz has a good one day record

What do u guys think?

If you are selecting for the next world cup, then why do you have

Hayden (Who will be 35)
Bevan (36)
Gilchrist (36)

still in your squad? If Harvey, who is younger than all of them, not part of the future then why are these 3 still there?

My point is, you can't go picking squads for something that is 4 years away. There is plenty of water to flow under the bridge before we have to worry about another WC squad.

[Catman]

Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Hodge (I've had it with Martyn)
Clarke
Bevan
Symonds
Harvey
Gillespie
Bracken
Williams

Martyn, Hauritz and as DIG said, Campbell to provide backup for Gilly.

As phat said, Clarke's offies are as good as anything Hauritz or Hogg can produce and with Hogg looking like being dropped from the WA side, you couldn't pick him on form.

Lee is too costly in OD matches.

Harvey provides a more than suitable 4th bowler option

Symonds there for batting only.

Hodge deserves a chance. He's averaging 101 for Victoria in the ING Cup this season. Martyn is struggling to have an impact at OD or Test level but should be in the squad nonetheless.

There we go, my humble opinion. I await your abuse! ;)

[year of the roo]

Originally posted by Catman
There we go, my humble opinion. I await your abuse! ;)
You're a d1ckhead!!!!!!!! ;) :p

[thewhippersnapper]

Watson is miles better then Harvey.

When he gets back to Full Fitness he will be back in the team in no time.

[lamby29]

Originally posted by Catman

Lee is too costly in OD matches.

Not the same Brett Lee who has taken 55 wickets for the year at an average of just 18?

[lamby29]

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Clarke
Symonds
Bevan
Watson
Bichel
Lee
Gillespie
Bracken

Williams, Harvey, Martyn, Hauritz

[larrikin]

D Martyn

ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
(including 18/11/2003)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 133 113 37 3275 144* 43.09 79.49 5 19 50 0

Good enough I would have thought

[pinkus maximus]

Originally posted by larrikin
D Martyn

ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
(including 18/11/2003)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 133 113 37 3275 144* 43.09 79.49 5 19 50 0

Good enough I would have thought

He's West Australian mate;)

[CatManDo]

Originally posted by pinkus maximus
He's West Australian mate;)

I was trying to figure out why everyone suddenly wants to drop him from the one day side too.

Short memories.

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by CatManDo
I was trying to figure out why everyone suddenly wants to drop him from the one day side too.

Short memories.

Nah, he's good for the One dayers, it's strange that he doesn't drop catches in ODI while he's regularly dropping them in Tests. But still, had a great series in India and scored a crap load of runs and won't be dropped.

[CatManDo]

Damien Martyns most recent one day international scores:

61, 61*, 0, 10, 100, 2*, 16, 1, 92*, 0*, 88*, 31, 52, 0, 35, 50*, 67*, 0, 11, 59, 1, 101*, 40

Clearly out of form. The man must be dropped.

[marcuz]

Clearly out of form. The man must be dropped.

Dean Jones was in better form than Martyn and he was dropped. Anything is possible.

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by marcuz
Dean Jones was in better form than Martyn and he was dropped. Anything is possible.

The difference with Deano's that he's a Victorian! :)

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by larrikin

Good enough I would have thought

Has a good test record too.......................

And no, i don't think he should be dropped from the ODI side, so there's no need for the chip to get even larger.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Cooldude
it's strange that he doesn't drop catches in ODI while he's regularly dropping them in Tests.

Strange indeed.

Brilliant hands in the ODI's, yet the whites go on, and suddenly he couldn't catch crabs from a $10 prostitute.

[Black Thunder]

Originally posted by Catman
If you are selecting for the next world cup, then why do you have

Hayden (Who will be 35)
Bevan (36)
Gilchrist (36)

still in your squad? If Harvey, who is younger than all of them, not part of the future then why are these 3 still there?



because he's victorian ;)


seriously, just because you are planning for the next world cup, doesn't mean you automatically drop anyone who won't be there. In actual fact, don't be suprised if at least two of the above three (or even all three) are playing at the next CWC.

But say they were 34/35 now, and they would be 38/39 during the next CWC and clearly too old, it doesn't mean you automatically drop them. You still need these guys to guide the way for 2 or so years before easing the younger guys into the team for the next CWC.

Team planning isn't just about picking an approximate squad for the next CWC and building that team over 4 years. You need to rotate your players through and get the senior players to guide the younger players, and slowly get a turnover of youngsters for the senior guys.

[Black Thunder]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Strange indeed.

Brilliant hands in the ODI's, yet the whites go on, and suddenly he couldn't catch crabs from a $10 prostitute.

its all confidence in a certain arena. Cricket is 95% played between the ears.

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by Black Thunder
because he's victorian ;)


seriously, just because you are planning for the next world cup, doesn't mean you automatically drop anyone who won't be there. In actual fact, don't be suprised if at least two of the above three (or even all three) are playing at the next CWC.



Tell that to England, they dropped Darren Gough coz he won't make it to 2007, so now their attack is young and crap and stuff.

[Black Thunder]

Originally posted by Cooldude
Tell that to England, they dropped Darren Gough coz he won't make it to 2007, so now their attack is young and crap and stuff.

thats England for you and that's why they are were they are.

For all the huff and puff that once they win and toss and get the conditions they'd win, they scored a miserable 40 runs from 40 overs of chuck.

The Australian cricket selectors - although have made some "unpopular" decisions over the past 10 years - have made very few poor decisions.

I say unpopular because a lot of people are dissaproving of the way NSWmen seem to get into the team first, how guys like Darren Lehmann, Jamie Siddons, Jamie Cox, Stuart Law etc,. had to wait forever and in two cases never got the chance.

But at the end of the day, the is the first time in 10 years we've been behind in a home test series (last time was v SAF in 93/94), and its the first 'live' home test we've lost in 5 (last time v Eng in 98/99). So obviousbly they've been doing something right.

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by Black Thunder
thats England for you and that's why they are were they are.

For all the huff and puff that once they win and toss and get the conditions they'd win, they scored a miserable 40 runs from 40 overs of chuck.

Talking about the "burglar, thief and dacoit", now he says he'd break Courtney Walsh's record easily now and hope he wouldn't play much domestic cricket so he can get enough rest to break the world record. Who does he think he is, does he really think he's king? You'd show more passion to play for your province then for your own personal gain... now everyone seems to like him coz he's a nice bloke, but there are the nicest blokes that turned out to be murderers.

Originally posted by Black Thunder

The Australian cricket selectors - although have made some "unpopular" decisions over the past 10 years - have made very few poor decisions.

I say unpopular because a lot of people are dissaproving of the way NSWmen seem to get into the team first, how guys like Darren Lehmann, Jamie Siddons, Jamie Cox, Stuart Law etc,. had to wait forever and in two cases never got the chance.

But at the end of the day, the is the first time in 10 years we've been behind in a home test series (last time was v SAF in 93/94), and its the first 'live' home test we've lost in 5 (last time v Eng in 98/99). So obviousbly they've been doing something right.

Well you gotta admit, whoever they pick would most likely do well in test level provided the chance, since a lot of our players are soooo good, but I think they do a good job, but Ian Healy would still be gutted that he couldn't get a farewell test in Brisbane.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Black Thunder

But at the end of the day, the is the first time in 10 years we've been behind in a home test series (last time was v SAF in 93/94), and its the first 'live' home test we've lost in 5 (last time v Eng in 98/99). So obviousbly they've been doing something right.

Does that justify the selection of Wayne Holdsworth, Simon Cook and Phil Emery?

[Black Thunder]

Originally posted by Black Thunder

this is the first time in 10 years we've been behind in a home test series (last time was v SAF in 93/94)

just out of interest for the trivia buffs, that is 16 consecutive series without being behind in a home test series. Quite an intimidating record.

and effectively in 9 of those 14* series the Australians have wrapped up a series victory before the final test. (Have wrapped up a series victory with two tests remaining in 2 series as well).


*2 of the series were only two test series (v Zim and Ban 03/04) which is impossible to wrap up a series win before the final test.

[Black Thunder]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Does that justify the selection of Wayne Holdsworth, Simon Cook and Phil Emery?

Holdsworth didn't end up playing for Australia in any form of international cricket, but did tour England in 1993. In 92/93 he had picked up 45 wickets at 25.96 it is a pretty strong case to get picked on that tour.

OOI, my girlfriend (well ex...soughta, u know how it is ;)) had a family member marry (and subsequently divorce WJH and apparantally he is a complete and utter w@nker)


Cook played his only tests in 97/98 (actually did very well in his first test - not so much the second). But despite that one good test, his selection was very strange. Didn't play FC cricket in 96/97 and hadn't done much to the point were he got picked in 97/98.

and Phil Emery, played his test in 94/95 in Pakistan. At the time his selection as the second best keeper in the land behind Healy was probably correct. Really only had competition from Darren Berry.

[Kane McGoodwin]

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Lehmann
Martyn
Symonds
Bevan
Lee
Hogg
Bichel
Gillespie

Harvey
Bracken
Clarke

[Darky]

Not overly confident of Hogg's chances to remain in the side, even with Warne out and MacGill being a terrible batsman & fielder.

Symonds, Clarke and possibly Katich may see a bit of bowling this season, and Hauritz might be a chance if his figures remain tidy at domestic level.

Until Warne comes back, Australia won't have a strike spin bowler, so I don't know if there's any point in reserving a place for one that won't be good enough.

A few poor scores will put pressure on Martyn, as Katich has some bowling to back up his batting.

Presuming McGrath and Lehmann will miss the ODI series :

Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Martyn
Bevan
Clarke
Symonds
Harvey
Lee
Gillespie
Bracken

Bichel
Katich
Williams
Hauritz

[Darky]

Originally posted by Black Thunder
Holdsworth didn't end up playing for Australia in any form of international cricket, but did tour England in 1993. In 92/93 he had picked up 45 wickets at 25.96 it is a pretty strong case to get picked on that tour.

OOI, my girlfriend (well ex...soughta, u know how it is ;)) had a family member marry (and subsequently divorce WJH and apparantally he is a complete and utter w@nker)


Cook played his only tests in 97/98 (actually did very well in his first test - not so much the second). But despite that one good test, his selection was very strange. Didn't play FC cricket in 96/97 and hadn't done much to the point were he got picked in 97/98.

and Phil Emery, played his test in 94/95 in Pakistan. At the time his selection as the second best keeper in the land behind Healy was probably correct. Really only had competition from Darren Berry.

Holdsworth was also the quickest Aussie bowler around at the time, and finished the 92/93 with some huge hauls, including a big on in the Shield final IIRC.

Agree with the assessments of Emery & Cook. Cook might have been a bit lucky but the stocks were depleted, and a 5fer in his first Test shows it was a timely selection, even if just for the short term.

Matt Nicholson took 4 wickets in his only Test, Scott Muller took 7 in two Tests, and Simon Katich has performed well with the chances he got. Even Gavin Robertson was handy on those two subcontinent tours (4 Tests, 13 wickets, 140 runs @ 20). :D

The selectors haven't really got it wrong that often, except when Wayne Phillips replaced Mark Taylor for that one match in Perth, and giving Brendon Julian a Test career...

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Black Thunder

and Phil Emery, played his test in 94/95 in Pakistan. At the time his selection as the second best keeper in the land behind Healy was probably correct. Really only had competition from Darren Berry.

Emery was never the second best keeper in the land.

Berry was an infinitely better keeper then Emery, any fair minded supporter will tell you that.

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Emery was never the second best keeper in the land.

Berry was an infinitely better keeper then Emery, any fair minded supporter will tell you that.

Yep, as a Vic, I'll tell you that I believe Darren Berry's still the best gloveman in the world at present :)

[vicpride99]

For the people saying drop Martyn you have got to be nuts. He is the best No4 in Australia. And has done his job for 4 years now.

Ian Harvey should have his spot reserved as i see him being the ultimate change up man in the squad. He can alter his pace and is a huge plus.

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by vicpride99
[B]For the people saying drop Martyn you have got to be nuts. He is the best No4 in Australia. And has done his job for 4 years now.
B]
Martyn should be dropped down the order (not out of the side) when Lehmann returns, as Boof is the best #4 in the country.

[vicpride99]

Leahman is done as a cricketer in my view.

[drexel]

Boof's only chance is if they make the ODI's 25 overs a piece.

[Milenko]

I've always admired Boof's Boony-like physique and talent with the bat, especially those cool paddle shots he always played. However i'm tipping the selectors to run with Clarke the little whippet to take his place - better bat, better field and better left arm orthodox bowler. Not to mention 10+ years younger.

Might i add that Bracken's miserly performance in the test match currently underway has not gone unnoticed, his ODI prospects are blossoming if they weren't already after his stellar form back in India. Still not convinced about him in the longer version of the game though.

Hogg to retain his spot in the squad and rotated through. Yeah he's done nothing in Pura, but seems to take his standard 1/2/3 for 35-45, which is pretty good going for any bowler in the pyjama game. Additionally he's one of the better fieldsmen in the team.

Also Symonds and Harvey shouldn't play in the same team. I don't know exactly why but it just doesn't seem right. Based on most recent form you'd have to pick Harvey first.

For mind:

Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Martyn
Clarke
Bevan
Hogg
Harvey
Lee
Bracken
Gillespie


Symonds
Bichel
Katich
Williams