Top run scorer at the end of 2003.

[SpecialBruce]

Who will be the top run scorer at the end of 2003? Interesting to note 2 of the top 3 are captains and soon Ponting will be a test captain.

Who will it be, the race is on.

1. Brian Lara 1,261
2. Ricky Ponting 1,215
3. Graeme Smith 1,184
4. Mathew Hayden 1,123

The next test for West Indies V South Africa and Australia V India starts on December 26.

My choice for top run getter.

Who else but,

BC LARA

http://www.coolbuddy.com/wallpapers//cricket/imgs/brian_lara04.jpg

[Black Thunder]

best left to be picked out of a hat cause anything could happen there.

[harry_hawka]

Australia to win the toss and send India in and bowl them out for 180 on Boxing Day, then go in and Hayden sets himself to make 250 and push Australia towards a total of 600. India then come back in and get bowled out cheaply, falling short by an innings and more.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, BC Lara has two chances at making a score to secure the #1 spot on the runs ladder of 2003, and fails to do so. Whilst he gets off to a start both times, he only reaches 40 or 50 odd and falls short of Hayden by 20 or so runs.

That's what I would've voted for, but there was no 5th option.

[Russian]

Smith is better than Lara ;)

but Lara will be the top run scorer of 2003

[wang]

Ponting to cut the indian the indians to pieces on a Melbourne deck with a bit of bounce in it.

[red+black]

not Smith. not Hayden, he's way too far behind.

Lara won't follow up. so the man of the moment, Punter, will be blowing more kisses to the Missus. :)

[Cooldude]

Nah, Lara.

[Mickey]

Originally posted by Russian
Smith is better than Lara ;)

but Lara will be the top run scorer of 2003 I dont rate smith at all. Until he plays well here, I might change my mind.

[Cupido13]

Originally posted by Russian
Smith is better than Lara ;)

but Lara will be the top run scorer of 2003

You have obviously missed every Test match played in the last 15 years. Lara is streets ahead of Smith. Smith is a hack with a poor technique who gets found out every time against good attacks.

[Mickey]

Originally posted by Cupido13
You have obviously missed every Test match played in the last 15 years. Lara is streets ahead of Smith. Smith is a hack with a poor technique who gets found out every time against good attacks. here here!!

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Cupido13
Smith is a hack with a poor technique who gets found out every time against good attacks.

Which "good attacks" have found him out?

Surely you can't be making all these wild judgements on his first two career tests at the age of 20, against Australia, where he made 114 runs with one half-century.

That is a solid performance, given his inexperience, and tender age.

Duds don't average over 50 in test cricket, especially at the age of 22. End of story.

[thewhippersnapper]

I think Ponting will get it with another good batting performance against the Indians in the 3rd test.

Btw, Where do you see who has the most runs in 2003?

[ScouseCat]

Ricky Ponting is the man, averaging over 80 in the last 2 years.... GO RICKY, GO RICKY, GO RICKY!! :D

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2002/feb/13pont.jpg

[Santos L Helper]

Scousie you little ripper!!

:cool: :cool:

[corporal]

Gareth Batty, the next Gary Sobers

[red+black]

Originally posted by BomberAUS
Where do you see who has the most runs in 2003?

Most runs (http://www-aus.cricket.org/link_to_database/STATS/BY_CALENDAR/2000S/2003/TEST_BAT_MOST_RUNS_2003.html)

All 2003 Statistics (http://www-aus.cricket.org/link_to_database/STATS/BY_CALENDAR/2000S/2003/)

Interesting that MacGill has the most test wickets for 2003 but could be dropped before too long when Warne returns.

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Which "good attacks" have found him out?

Surely you can't be making all these wild judgements on his first two career tests at the age of 20, against Australia, where he made 114 runs with one half-century.

That is a solid performance, given his inexperience, and tender age.

Duds don't average over 50 in test cricket, especially at the age of 22. End of story.


He's only played a handful of tests, besides, he made 500 of those runs against England in two tests, and I tell ya what, I thought Edgbaston and Lords suddenly became a landfill, coz there were an unbelievable amount of rubbish bowled, the England bowling was just SO BAD, if Hayden was batting he would've gotten 500.

England, I believe, has the worst bowling attack in the world, even Bangladesh can bowl out Pakistan twice.

I don't rate Smith, he's very weak outside off stump and nicks a lot of them, but the problem with bowlers nowadays, they can't pitch the ball at the same spot twice.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Cooldude
He's only played a handful of tests

18 is a handful? Big ****ing hands then.

I don't doubt that he has flaws, and that his figures are inflated by two big scores, but i fail to see how that makes him a "hack".

If he was an Aussie, who averaged 58 at the age of 22, with two double tons, we'd be talking him up as the next Bradman, seriously.

[ScouseCat]

It's difficult to make a judgement call on Smith this early into his career. He's made some good scores in England, but struggled against Australia when he first started out. Mind you, there wouldn't be too many batsman around the world who start out their careers against Australia and don't get a good working over from our world-class bowling attack. The good thing for South Africa is they didn't discard him after that series, and I think he could become a high quality player for the Proteas for many years. He'll get better with his off-side play, because bowling attacks will target that area, so he'll have no choice but to improve.

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
18 is a handful? Big ****ing hands then.

I don't doubt that he has flaws, and that his figures are inflated by two big scores, but i fail to see how that makes him a "hack".

If he was an Aussie, who averaged 58 at the age of 22, with two double tons, we'd be talking him up as the next Bradman, seriously.


Ummm, 18 isn't much in modern standards, you play that many in a year and a half.

When he has around 30-40 tests under his belt then we can start judging him, because even with 18 tests, a string of low scores will really knock that average down.

[the fly]

Originally posted by Cooldude
Ummm, 18 isn't much in modern standards, you play that many in a year and a half.

When he has around 30-40 tests under his belt then we can start judging him, because even with 18 tests, a string of low scores will really knock that average down.

I agree with that. Vinod Kambli got a couple of double centuries early on in his test career and was found out when he came up against the attack of the West Indies.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Cooldude
Ummm, 18 isn't much in modern standards, you play that many in a year and a half.

My point was that 18 in a lot more then a handful.


Originally posted by Cooldude

When he has around 30-40 tests under his belt then we can start judging him, because even with 18 tests, a string of low scores will really knock that average down.

My point from the start.

Labelling him a hack is ludicrous.

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
My point was that 18 in a lot more then a handful.

And my point was that it is a handful.



Originally posted by phatandphreaky

My point from the start.

Labelling him a hack is ludicrous.

I don't like him anyway, talks a good game, haven't won a series as a captain yet, and a bit immature, since all he does is tell the umpire what the bowler said about him and get the bowler suspended.

[apollo_creed]

Who else but the Prince of Trinidad

Brian Charles Lara

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Cooldude
And my point was that it is a handful.


Right.......

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Cooldude
haven't won a series as a captain yet

Back to the record books please.

[ImperialPurple]

Hope it's Ponting.

Who will it be? NFI.

[kretchy]

Originally posted by corporal
Gareth Batty, the next Gary Sobers
To steal a line from Kumar Sangakarra "Where's England's number 1 off spinner?"

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Back to the record books please.

Sorry, I do mean Test series, I think he won something as One Day captain, but5 he's been in charge for two series, against England and Pakistan, and drew one and lost one, on the other hand he's likely to beat the lowly Windies now.

[Fall Out Boy]

Not talking about hit and giggle cricket.

What constitutes a test series? Is it similar to a handful?

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Not talking about hit and giggle cricket.

What constitutes a test series? Is it similar to a handful?

Please don't be silly, he captained in two Test series and haven't won any of them, and that's my point, and if you think 18 tests is a lot, please, this is a new century, not back in the old days when 20 tests is a lot.

[red+black]

Originally posted by Cooldude
Sorry, I do mean Test series, I think he won something as One Day captain, but he's been in charge for two series, against England and Pakistan, and drew one and lost one, on the other hand he's likely to beat the lowly Windies now.
incorrect. he's been captain of 3 completed series

[red+black]

Originally posted by Cooldude
Please don't be silly, he captained in two Test series and haven't won any of them
take 5 minutes. check the stats. you are most certainly wrong

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by red+black
take 5 minutes. check the stats. you are most certainly wrong

Ah yes, stand corrected, a two test series against Bangladesh before the England and Pakistan series.

Also took time to check his run scoring record. 18 tests, 29 innings, 1639 runs. Almost half of those runs are scored in three innings, 1 double ton against Bangladesh and two double ton against England. So he isn't that consistent a batsman, it's either a big one or nothing.

[red+black]

anyway, who cares, he plays for South Africa.

Go Punter!

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Who will be the top run scorer at the end of 2003? Interesting to note 2 of the top 3 are captains and soon Ponting will be a test captain.

Who will it be, the race is on.

1. Brian Lara 1,261
2. Ricky Ponting 1,215
3. Graeme Smith 1,184
4. Mathew Hayden 1,123



Total update :
1 Ricky Ponting 1335 [includes his 120*]
2 Brian Lara 1333 [made 72 last night]
3 Matthew Hayden 1259 [made 136 today]
4 Greame Smith 1198 [made 14 tonight]

[EssJayW]

I reckon Ponting will score a big 100 in Melbourne and jusy get past Lara.

Cheers

SJW

:) :) ;)

[Cooldude]

I still fancy Lara to make a big hundred in the 2nd innings to save the Windies.

[red+black]

as i predicted Punter will be the top run-scorer of the four. now on 169* for a total of 1384 runs so far this year. this sits him in 7th place for most runs in a calendar year. another 8 runs and he'll have scored the most runs by an Aussie in a calendar year. another 24 runs and he'll jump to 3rd place.

[red+black]

174* for a 2003 total of 1389 so far puts him in 6th place. another boundary will overtake hayden's 2001 and tendulkar's 2002 and move him to 4th place.

[red+black]

178* for a 2003 total of 1393 so far puts him in 4th place. he overtakes Hayden's 1391 in 2001 for the best calendar year by an Aussie.

next milestones:
185* - 1400 runs
193* - 1408 runs (3rd spot)
207* - 2nd highest test score
243* - highest test score
267* - 1482 runs (2nd spot :) )
496* - 1711 runs (1st spot :D )

[red+black]

186*

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by red+black
186*

If he bats the whole of today and half of tomorrow, what's his chances of going pass Hayden's 380?

[red+black]

190*

if he can get an extra 10, it will be his 3rd double this year. i'd say not many have achieved that.

and to think mark waugh only scored > 140 on one occasion (153*). shame that not once could junior pull off a big one.

[red+black]

bradman - 2 doubles and a triple in 1930 (in the space of 5 innings!)

[red+black]

lara - 2 doubles and a 191 this year

[DaveW]

Originally posted by red+black
190*

if he can get an extra 10, it will be his 3rd double this year. i'd say not many have achieved that. Only 15 other players have scored 3 or more double centuries in their entire Test career.

[red+black]

194* takes him to 3rd spot in history for most calendar year runs

1710 Viv Richards in 1976
1481 Michael Vaughan in 2002
1408 Punter
1407 Gavaskar in 1979

puts Vaughan's 2002 into perspective. a fantastic effort.

punter also joins a list of only 7 players to have scored 6 or more centuries in a calendar year.

[red+black]

only zaheer abbas has scored two double centuries against india

[red+black]

Originally posted by red+black
only zaheer abbas has scored two double centuries against india
and ricky ponting now

1415 runs so far this year. hope he gets 268* and we declare.

[jerry springer]

Originally posted by red+black
194* takes him to 3rd spot in history for most calendar year runs

1710 Viv Richards in 1976
1481 Michael Vaughan in 2002
1408 Punter
1407 Gavaskar in 1979

puts Vaughan's 2002 into perspective. a fantastic effort.

punter also joins a list of only 7 players to have scored 6 or more centuries in a calendar year.

how many matches did Viv play that year?

[catattack]

Originally posted by jerry springer
how many matches did Viv play that year?
11 Tests, 19 Innings

[jerry springer]

Originally posted by catattack
11 Tests, 19 Innings

doesnt surprise me.the best batter ive seen in my lifetime.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Cooldude
Please don't be silly, he captained in two Test series and haven't won any of them

He has captained a team to a test series victory.

Originally posted by Cooldude
if you think 18 tests is a lot, please, this is a new century, not back in the old days when 20 tests is a lot.

When did i say it was a lot? I said it was more then a handful.

[catattack]

Originally posted by jerry springer
doesnt surprise me.the best batter ive seen in my lifetime.
His average that year was a staggering 90, with seven centuries and five fifties. Highest score was 291 against England at The Oval.

[jerry springer]

Originally posted by catattack
His average that year was a staggering 90, with seven centuries and five fifties. Highest score was 291 against England at The Oval.

used to love it when he would rock out there with no helmet on,smashing fast bowlers all around the park

[Piebot 3k]

Originally posted by jerry springer
used to love it when he would rock out there with no helmet on,smashing fast bowlers all around the park

I remember reading a story - I think it was in one of Rod Marsh's books he wrote just after he retired - a good Viv Richards story.

Gist of it was in his debut (or one of his early games) for Antigua (I think) in the local WI series, he missed a couple of swings at some bowler. The guy bowling walked down the pitch, showed VR the ball and said words along the lines of 'this is what it looks like, all you gotta do is hit it'.

VR smashed the next delivery into the car park, walked up to the bowler and said 'You know what it looks like, you better go find the ****er'

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
He has captained a team to a test series victory.

Yep, I figured that out, if you read the previous page then you would've known that I found out.


Originally posted by phatandphreaky

When did i say it was a lot? I said it was more then a handful.

When you say it's more than a handful, that's where I say it is not more than a handful. 18 tests nowadays is very little for a regular test cricketer, they play around 15 tests in one year.

It's not like in the old days when you'd take 3-4 years to play 18 tests.

[Jim Boy]

Completeion of 1st innings

Ponting 1,472
Lara 1,333
Hayden 1,259
Smith 1,198

At this point, it would look like Ponting and Hayden won't bat again and Smith is also unlikely. If any of this lot do bat again, they won't have much opportunity to score. Lara will definitely bat again. If he can get 140 in his second innings, he will win.

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Jim Boy
Completeion of 1st innings

Ponting 1,472
Lara 1,333
Hayden 1,259
Smith 1,198

At this point, it would look like Ponting and Hayden won't bat again and Smith is also unlikely. If any of this lot do bat again, they won't have much opportunity to score. Lara will definitely bat again. If he can get 140 in his second innings, he will win.
If Lara makes 140 against Nitini, Pollock & Co he would be a worthy winner. Personally I reckon Punter looks odds-on now, which would be well deserved too. Been some heavy scoring in 2003!

[catattack]

You never know, the Indians may make a good comeback, and Punter could well be amongst the runs again on Day 5.

[red+black]

Originally posted by Jim Boy
Completeion of 1st innings

Ponting 1,472
Lara 1,333
Hayden 1,259
Smith 1,198

At this point, it would look like Ponting and Hayden won't bat again and Smith is also unlikely. If any of this lot do bat again, they won't have much opportunity to score. Lara will definitely bat again. If he can get 140 in his second innings, he will win.
I strongly disagree. Yeah Smith won't bat again. But Hayden and Ponting probably will.

Ponting needs 1 run for most calendar year runs in both forms of cricket, and an extra 28 would be nice to take him to 1500 for the year. 28 or more NOT OUT would take his 2003 average above 100.

Ricky Ponting - 2003
ODIs - 1154, Tests - 1472: TOTAL = 2626

Rahul Dravid - 1999
ODIs - 1761, Tests - 865: TOTAL = 2626

[scmods]

Pity Ponting had to miss the fourth test in the Windies, after making 100's in the first three!

[Cupido13]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
If Lara makes 140 against Nitini, Pollock & Co he would be a worthy winner. Personally I reckon Punter looks odds-on now, which would be well deserved too. Been some heavy scoring in 2003!

You mean Ntini and Pollock, there is no & co. That is why they struggle against sides with quality batting line ups. My mum could score runs against some of the bowlers getting around for South Africa, using my nanna as her runner!

[Jim Boy]

Hayden will bat again, but unless he hits 120 odd off the last ball of the match, then he will miss out.

Smith may just bat again but is so far off the pace it doesn't matter.

Ponting may well bat again and possibly get around 20 runs before Aussies win.

Lara is batting at the moment and is 1*. He has plenty of time and plenty of opportunity. Needs from 140 to 160 runs, depending on Punter. The ball is in his court.

However I expect ponting to win by a 100 or so.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Jim Boy

Lara is batting at the moment and is 1*.

30 minutes later, and he moved to 2*

In a partnership of 34 off 13 overs, Lara has contributed 2 runs.

[Russian]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
30 minutes later, and he moved to 2*

In a partnership of 34 off 13 overs, Lara has contributed 2 runs. Gone for 11 from 71 balls in 98 minutes.

[Cupido13]

Looks like Ponting is getting the chance to extend his lead. He should overtake Dravid any second now for the leading total in both forms in one year. How far behind Gavaskar for second most runs in 1 year is he? In the Herald Sun it had Gavaskar 2nd with about 1510 (don't quote me on that figure).

[red+black]

Originally posted by Cupido13
Looks like Ponting is getting the chance to extend his lead. He should overtake Dravid any second now for the leading total in both forms in one year. How far behind Gavaskar for second most runs in 1 year is he? In the Herald Sun it had Gavaskar 2nd with about 1510 (don't quote me on that figure).
from memory, the figure bandied around was 1555 which is WRONG. His best year was 1979 in which he scored 1407 runs.

The actual list is:

Viv Richards 1710 (in 1976)
Michael Vaughan 1481 (in 2002)
Ricky Ponting 1472 (in 2003)

add what he gets from this innings. 10* so far. he now has 2nd spot. only thing left to achieve is 1500 runs and a calendar year average of 100.

hayden on 1259 this year prior to this innings. 19* so far. that puts his 12th on the all time list.

[Cupido13]

Originally posted by red+black
from memory, the figure bandied around was 1555 which is WRONG. His best year was 1979 in which he scored 1407 runs.

The actual list is:

Viv Richards 1710 (in 1976)
Michael Vaughan 1481 (in 2002)
Ricky Ponting 1472 (in 2003)

add what he gets from this innings. 10* so far. he now has 2nd spot. only thing left to achieve is 1500 runs and a calendar year average of 100.

hayden on 1259 this year prior to this innings. 19* so far. that puts his 12th on the all time list.

Do you know where the incorrect total came from or how it came about? It was in the Herald Sun yesterday, which made me think there was a good chance it would be wrong!

[red+black]

Originally posted by Cupido13
Do you know where the incorrect total came from or how it came about? It was in the Herald Sun yesterday, which made me think there was a good chance it would be wrong!

The Age article (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/28/1072546411806.html)

Viv Richards' 1710 runs from 1976 and Sunil Gavaskar's 1555 from 1979 will likely stay beyond his reach - at least this time around.

The issue is that Gavaskar played a test which started in 1978 and finished in 1979 (http://statserver.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1978-79/WI_IN_IND/WI_IND_T3_29DEC1978-03JAN1979.html). In that test he scored 107 and 182*.

Gavaskar's 1979 stats:
- if test is included: 1696 runs
- if not included: 1407 runs

But if you include the runs from that test made in 1979, he did score 1555 runs. He scored the 107 on 29/12/1978 and was 34* at stumps on 31/12/1978. He made the remainder of his 182* (a further 148 runs) on 2/1/1979.

So I take back what I said. I think his 1555 should stand as that is the amount of runs he made in the year 1979, regardless of when the actual test started or finished.

The stats page (http://www-aus.cricket.org/db/STATS/TESTS/BATTING/1000_RUNS_IN_CALENDAR_YEAR.html) mentions this at the bottom.