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murphy2bedabest
13 Jan 2004, 18:38
ok if a all rounder was taken to sri lanka, who will it be?
just seeing what every1 thinks
Symonds can Bat, bowl quite dangerous medium pace & off spin.
lamby29
13 Jan 2004, 19:12
Originally posted by RIPPER_46
Symonds can Bat, bowl quite dangerous medium pace & off spin.
...and he can field!
I'd take Symonds, but I'm a huge fan of Watson too.
Fall Out Boy
13 Jan 2004, 19:16
To be considered an all-rounder, one needs to be able to bat and bowl.
Does this not proclude Shane Watson from the list?
murphy2bedabest
13 Jan 2004, 19:22
Originally posted by RIPPER_46
Symonds can Bat, bowl quite dangerous medium pace & off spin.
u'd say it will be out of symonds and harvey i mean harvey wins onnnnn bowling and symonds wins with the bat
i'd say harvey with his bowling and if we play 2 spinners he can be the the 3rd quick but we'll have to see
TheWackedYak
13 Jan 2004, 19:38
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
To be considered an all-rounder, one needs to be able to bat and bowl.
Does this not proclude Shane Watson from the list?
Hasn't he got some back injury preventing him from bowling for some time?
Even if Watson is passed fit to bowl by mid-February, he hasn't bowled enough to warrant being picked as an all-rounder.
Cleary might not be the truest all-rounder, but is younger than the rest and is bowling very well.... and with the pace attack not being at full-strength, I think he adds more than the others.
Fall Out Boy
13 Jan 2004, 19:52
Originally posted by marcuz
Jason Bakker
............thy name is god.
How many champion cricketers can Geelong produce? First Jase, now Tony Brown and Clinton Peake.
Fall Out Boy
13 Jan 2004, 19:54
Originally posted by TheWackedYak
Hasn't he got some back injury preventing him from bowling for some time?
Yes.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
............thy name is god.
How many champion cricketers can Geelong produce? First Jase, now Tony Brown and Clinton Peake.
Remember the name Mathew Harrison. Left hand bat who will play test cricket for australia. Has a huge reputation down here and is only 17
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
............thy name is god.
How many champion cricketers can Geelong produce? First Jase, now Tony Brown and Clinton Peake.
Daniel Lowery. :D
Destructive
13 Jan 2004, 20:18
Symonds.
Fall Out Boy
13 Jan 2004, 20:22
Originally posted by marcuz
Has a huge reputation down here and is only 17
David Clarke had a huge reputation down there ;)
murphy2bedabest
13 Jan 2004, 20:23
1 hayden
2 langer
3 ponting
4 katich
5 leaman
6 gilly
7harvey
8 white
9 warne
10 gillespie
11 mcgrath
if 2 spinners were pick harvey will bat at 7, i'd like 2 see white given his chance ok he is 2-5 years of being ready, now macgill prob will be taken but what dose he offer australian cricket in the future, they'll go with warne and macgill as well doesen't work
and by the time warne give it away so will macgill so why not blood a white or a hauritz now and with the likes of warne mcgrath ponting hayden and co around them there developmet will come on more
i see a side more like this
1hayden
2langer
3ponting
4 katich
5 leaman
6hodge
7 gilly
8 warne
9 gillespie
10 bracken/inness i'd like see a left hander in the side for sri lanka
11 mcrath
12 clarke
13 love
14 williams
15 white prob wiill be macgill but give so much, bowling batting fielding (the slips) and 10-13 years, with macgill only bowling
Fall Out Boy
13 Jan 2004, 20:24
One of the two Victorians for me.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
David Clarke had a huge reputation down there
Apologies to all pyramid investors.
Good as they are there is nothing that Clarke & Harvey do that Symonds doesn't do better.
lufc618
13 Jan 2004, 21:21
Symonds
Russian
13 Jan 2004, 23:29
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
To be considered an all-rounder, one needs to be able to bat and bowl.
Does this not proclude Shane Watson from the list? Pretty sure one of the Channel 9/ABC commentators said during the AA game that Watson was back bowling off a short run in the nets. The plan was for him to return to bowling about now, he's obviously a bit behind schedule but i wouldn't think he's too far away. Watson probably won't be ready for Sri Lanka but if he is, he gets the spot.
The all rounder and Gilchrist have to bat at 6 and 7. IMO the batting of Harvey, Hogg and Cleary isn't good enough to bat that high and Symonds' bowling is no better than Katich, Lehmann, Clarke and Hodge who are all better batsman.
I wouldn't take an all rounder unless Watson's available but if I had to pick someone I'd pick Jon Moss.
ViperV10
14 Jan 2004, 07:15
Symonds isn't a test player...he hasn't shown it at Pura Cup level, and until he does he shouldn't be in the team. Pity though, because he is a champion.
I would love to see Watson go to Sri Lanka...however I think it is highly unlikely considering he needs to get some form with both ball and bat before being considered...and because he can't bowl again yet he needs to show that his most recent back injury isn't hampering him with the ball before being called up.
I could see them not taking a specialist all-rounder...with Lehmann, Katich and possibly Clarke taking the part-time-all-rounder role.
fatmike
14 Jan 2004, 07:34
Watson is having a great year with the bat - obviously his layoff from bowling has provided a chance to work hard on his batting. If and when he starts bowling again he should be given another chance.
dan warna
14 Jan 2004, 07:56
In two years time cameron white and shane watson will be the middle order for Australia.
watson, if he can get fit, 140km an hour fast/medium with a batting average of 40 and bowling average of 30 at the international level, and I reckon white will be a marginally better bat with an average of about 44 and bowling average of a shade over 30.
the question is who will replace hayden, mcgrath and gilchrist! for too long hayden was kept out by that useless hack slater, now at the twilight of his career, he is showing what he could have done given a fair run.
I reckon we'd be lucky to ever get another keeper like gilchrist.
also while we have plenty of good medium fast/fast medium bowlers, who will replace McGrath, while not being the fastest bowler (dizzy and lee etc are ALL faster than him) he is without a doubt one of the greatest bowlers aus have ever produced.
While inness, watson, etc are good enough, none are as deadly as mcgrath, or have that psychological edge that he has over the brits and boks for example.
I think someone described his as a metronome, an apt description for his hypnotic ability to lull a batsman. (not unlike bruce reid in his heydey!)
like the era of bradman, we are looking at a gentle decline over the next decade.
sure we'll still be a good side with the quality of our players, but i can't see us dominating with the ease we have in the past.
Symonds for mine, otherwise Freak.
Watson,White, Cleary good future prospects all. White's got an outside chance of getting a spot on tour.
Shame Hogg can't quite cut it at the moment, he'd work better in tandem with Warney than MacGill, plus can field and bat a bit.
If Ponting gets as much say as Waugh did, maybe Symonds will go to SL, like WCup last year - he's his prodigy.
Fall Out Boy
14 Jan 2004, 09:55
Originally posted by RIPPER_46
Good as they are there is nothing that Clarke & Harvey do that Symonds doesn't do better.
You honestly think Symonds is a better bowler then Harvey? Please.
Ian Harvey has been Australia's best ODI bowler of the past 6 months, averaging only about 22-23 with the ball.
Symonds is a great player, however it is absolutely ludicrous to say he is a better bowler then Ian Harvey.
Kane McGoodwin
14 Jan 2004, 12:45
I assume you are talking about for ODI's with the players named. If so, we should be taking several all-rounders. Symonds & Harvey would both go. Warne will replace Hogg in the squad, as have other part-time spinners in Clarke & Lehmann. Cleary should be consdered as probably close to Williams / Bracken in bowling, but far better batsman. It's good to have extra bowling options with batting depth in ODI's.
Kane McGoodwin
14 Jan 2004, 12:47
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
You honestly think Symonds is a better bowler then Harvey? Please.
Ian Harvey has been Australia's best ODI bowler of the past 6 months, averaging only about 22-23 with the ball.
Symonds is a great player, however it is absolutely ludicrous to say he is a better bowler then Ian Harvey.
Symonds is a batting all-rounder, whereas Harvey is a bowling all-rounder. Both should be in the ODI team.
Fall Out Boy
14 Jan 2004, 12:56
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Symonds is a batting all-rounder, whereas Harvey is a bowling all-rounder. Both should be in the ODI team.
Yes indeed.
was this poll for the one-dayers?
Generalissimo
14 Jan 2004, 15:54
Test Squad
1. Matthew Hayden I
2. Justin Langer I
3. Ricky Ponting I
4. Simon Katich Io
5. Darren Lehmann Io
6. Adam Gilchrist I M
7. Andy Bichel oI
8. Jason Gillespie o
9. Shane Warne o
10. Brett Lee o
11. Glenn McGrath o
12. Andrew Symonds Io
13. Michael Clarke I
14. Ryan Campbell IM
15. Brad Williams o
Use Symonds as substitute fielder.
(btw... I= batsman, o = bowler, M= wicketkeeper)
One Day Squad
... I'll get back to you on this ...
murphy2bedabest
14 Jan 2004, 17:44
Originally posted by Generalissimo
Test Squad
1. Matthew Hayden I
2. Justin Langer I
3. Ricky Ponting I
4. Simon Katich Io
5. Darren Lehmann Io
6. Adam Gilchrist I M
7. Andy Bichel oI
8. Jason Gillespie o
9. Shane Warne o
10. Brett Lee o
11. Glenn McGrath o
12. Andrew Symonds Io
13. Michael Clarke I
14. Ryan Campbell IM
15. Brad Williams o
Use Symonds as substitute fielder.
(btw... I= batsman, o = bowler, M= wicketkeeper)
One Day Squad
... I'll get back to you on this ...
by law symonds can't be used as a substitute fielder, unless some 1 is injured, but still is a fair idea. rayn campbell???????????? i can't justify that.
brett lee prob will go on tour but maybe not in the 11, we'll just wait and see how he bowls from now.
as for bichel no no no no rather see harvey at 7 and another spinner in the 11 maybe macgill :(
Kane McGoodwin
14 Jan 2004, 19:33
Originally posted by Generalissimo
Test Squad
1. Matthew Hayden I
2. Justin Langer I
3. Ricky Ponting I
4. Simon Katich Io
5. Darren Lehmann Io
6. Adam Gilchrist I M
7. Andy Bichel oI
8. Jason Gillespie o
9. Shane Warne o
10. Brett Lee o
11. Glenn McGrath o
Not sure why we would play 4 quicks & have a longer tail, when 3 quicks & Warne, along with Katich's & Lehmann's part-time spin should be ample options. Sure Bichel may be batting as well as Marto at the moment, but then we should be finding a replacement batsman IMO.
Originally posted by Generalissimo
Test Squad
1. Matthew Hayden I
2. Justin Langer I
3. Ricky Ponting I
4. Simon Katich Io
5. Darren Lehmann Io
6. Adam Gilchrist I M
7. Andy Bichel oI
8. Jason Gillespie o
9. Shane Warne o
10. Brett Lee o
11. Glenn McGrath o
12. Andrew Symonds Io
13. Michael Clarke I
14. Ryan Campbell IM
15. Brad Williams o
Ryan Campbell has as much chance as me of going to Sri Lanka if Gilchrist is fit.
My Squad
1. Matthew Hayden I
2. Justin Langer I
3. Ricky Ponting I
4. Darren Lehmann Io
5. Simon Katich Io
6. Adam Gilchrist I M
7. Andy Bichel oI
8. Jason Gillespie o
9. Shane Warne o
10. Brad Williams o
11. Glenn McGrath o
12. Michael Love I
13. Nathan Bracken o
14. David Hussey I
15. Shaun Tait o
Fall Out Boy
14 Jan 2004, 20:29
Originally posted by Slax
Ryan Campbell has as much chance as me of going to Sri Lanka if Gilchrist is fit.
My Squad
1. Matthew Hayden I
2. Justin Langer I
3. Ricky Ponting I
4. Darren Lehmann Io
5. Simon Katich Io
6. Adam Gilchrist I M
7. Andy Bichel oI
8. Jason Gillespie o
9. Shane Warne o
10. Brad Williams o
11. Glenn McGrath o
12. Michael Love I
13. Nathan Bracken o
14. David Hussey I
15. Shaun Tait o
Geez, Martin Love is stiff ;)
personally i would pick moss without hesitation. His recent statistics speak for themselves. It's about time that they pick an allrounder who can actually make regular half-centuries.
Didak_84
14 Jan 2004, 21:01
If Ryan Campbell goes to sri lanka that means i may as well go to i reckon
Aren't most of the Sri Lankan pitches more spin friendly than anything?
I don't see much point taking 4 quicks. More likely they'll play:
1 - two spinners and two quicks or
2 - 3 quicks, a spinner and use Katich also or
3 - two quicks, a spinner and an all-rounder.