View Full Version : Re Hookes - do we know what happened that night?
Dry Rot
19 Jan 2004, 23:02
Anybody heard what actually happened? Any other cricketers injured?
On the bare story I've heard on the news, it just seems a bit odd with a bouncer attacking someone 100 metres away from the hotel.
I reckon there's more to this story.
BTW - was the hotel in a dodgy part of Melbourne?
lamby29
19 Jan 2004, 23:20
You can read about it HERE (http://theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/19/1074360698597.html)
Russian
19 Jan 2004, 23:31
In other words, someone in Hookesy's group said something (who and what isn't really known) the bouncers didn't like and the amateur boxer amongst them responded by punching Hookesy when he was most vulnerable.
Minkus_Swan
19 Jan 2004, 23:32
The guy was an boxer, what a tool. It was gutless, bloody gutless to king hit a 48 year old man, with his back turned.
Black Thunder
19 Jan 2004, 23:37
the story lamby has linked to, is basically what i was told by someone close to the aus team earlier today, although i was told hookesy wasn't drinking.
didn't know the bit about robbie cassell holding his head, which must have been majorly distressing for the guy who is about 18 months older than me...
bionicsasquach
20 Jan 2004, 09:27
Baggygreen Reports that Hookesy was trying to break up a fight
Originally posted by Dry Rot
Anybody heard what actually happened? Any other cricketers injured?
On the bare story I've heard on the news, it just seems a bit odd with a bouncer attacking someone 100 metres away from the hotel.
I reckon there's more to this story.
BTW - was the hotel in a dodgy part of Melbourne?
The Beaconsfield is in an upmarket yuppie part of St Kilda and is generally regarded as a good, safe pub. ie it's not somewhere your Dad would stop you going to for a drink.
As for why it happened, there are 2 stories and I guess one will prove correct.
Either way it is something that shouldn't have happened, to anyone. People have to start taking a step back and assessing their lives and what is important, and a stupid argument is not important, especially when it costs a decent blokes' life.
From the bouncer's point of view, it's not really going to matter exactly what happened at the pub. For him to be involved in an incident that far away from the place he is responsible for controlling - he is ****ed.
Schneiderman
20 Jan 2004, 10:21
I hope the guy is charged with manslaughter. There was no need to hit Hookes, there was no "fight". Add to that the fact that he is a boxer and therefore trained to hurt others, and that he was being paid to look after the welfare of hotel patrons, and he deserves the maximum penalty.
I'm sure there are others out there like me who are sick of thugs like this being given free reign to beat up people... you would think that pubs and hotels would be interested in the protection of their guests. I dont care what was said, there is no excuse for hitting someone when you are a "crowd controller". I have numerous mates who work as bouncers and for this exact reason they work their butts off to control situations and limit the harm that happens to people.
tigerman
20 Jan 2004, 10:48
It has been said that the bouncer who King Hit Hookesy was out on bail from a previous assault charge. If this is correct, why would they release him on bail after putting Hooksey in a coma.
I hope he rots in hell. But with all the do gooders, and the law being what it is, he will probably get off with a slap on the wrist. His lawyers will probably say that it wasn't the punch that killed him, that it was his head hitting the ground.
I hope that he is sleepless for the rest of his life.
SCRAY72
20 Jan 2004, 11:34
King Hit by a coward. Several conflicting stories but apparently he was leaving the pub and was followed outside by the coward.
Lets hope he gets the max, 5 years, and he gets to enjoy homosexual love in the bighouse.We'll see how tough he is in jail.
He will be crying in his cell.
The Beaconsfield Hotel owner(s) should also take responsibility for this tragedy.
They should close these places down as a deterrent against owners employing thugs as bouncers. Then they will be forced to take some responsibility.
Originally posted by tigerman
It has been said that the bouncer who King Hit Hookesy was out on bail from a previous assault charge. If this is correct, why would they release him on bail after putting Hooksey in a coma.
Correct, an incident which is waiting to face court from the Grand Hotel in Essendon around Christmas 2002.
I'm sure there are a few inmates in prison who would have grown up idolising David Hookes.
Maybe the thug will be on the receiving end on the inside!
SCRAY72
20 Jan 2004, 12:48
Originally posted by HFC082
I'm sure there are a few inmates in prison who would have grown up idolising David Hookes.
Maybe the thug will be on the receiving end on the inside!
No Maybe about it, I hope he gets pummelled to the point where he will be screaming "I want my mama".
Go_Doggies
20 Jan 2004, 13:00
Originally posted by SCRAY72
No Maybe about it, I hope he gets pummelled to the point where he will be screaming "I want my mama".
As much as we hate the pr*ck who did this, I don't wish that on anyone, not even the b*stard who did this.
Originally posted by Go_Doggies
As much as we hate the pr*ck who did this, I don't wish that on anyone, not even the b*stard who did this.
True. I wish that he gets pummelled to the point where is no longer alive, let alone able to speak.
blacknwhite4eva
20 Jan 2004, 13:33
Put it this way, if the law doesn't catch up with this thug, then I can see someones cricket bat catching up with him - hope he rots in hell.
I was just gonna post that there'd certainly be a lot more Hookesy fans in the clink than Zdravko Micevic fans. He'll get his, and then some.
They might put the guy in the same cell as Brendan Abbott 'the Postcard Bandit' he was a cricket nut but he was more of a Mark Waugh fan.
Kid Dynamite!
20 Jan 2004, 14:37
Originally posted by tigerman
It has been said that the bouncer who King Hit Hookesy was out on bail from a previous assault charge. If this is correct, why would they release him on bail after putting Hooksey in a coma.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the above is true then technically he shouldnt have been working in the first place.
Russian
20 Jan 2004, 14:50
Originally posted by HFC082
I'm sure there are a few inmates in prison who would have grown up idolising David Hookes.
Maybe the thug will be on the receiving end on the inside! Probably not, he'll be kept away from the general population because of fear for his safety :rolleyes:
KD, depends on the conditions of his original bail
Kid Dynamite!
20 Jan 2004, 15:09
Originally posted by Russian
KD, depends on the conditions of his original bail
True. It'd be interesting to see if that was a condition outlined in his original bail, because generally (or in most cases I've heard of) the person in question is barred from frequenting/working at places which could lead to a repeat offence. I dont know if you can remember that peadophile that was barred from frequenting/working anywhere that allowed him contact with children, but he started working at a Deli and was re-arrested.
I'm no legal expert, but it'd be good if someone from a legal standpoint could clear some of this stuff up for us.
Kid Dynamite!
20 Jan 2004, 15:39
Just thought I'd reiterate my point. I went here (http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/23/ch3.pdf) and had a look around, and came up with this:
3.9.1. The probability that the offender will re-appear.
This broad heading requires the police or court to consider whether the accused will appear in court having regard to the following criteria:
· The background and community ties of the person indicated by the nature of their home environment, employment status, and their prior criminal record.(67)
· The nature and seriousness of the offence, including the strength of evidence against that person.(69)
· Any previous failures to attend court pursuant to a bail undertaking.(70)
· Any specific evidence indicating whether or not it is probably that the person will appear in court.(71)
· The attitude, if expressed to the court, of the alleged victim of the offence (Victoria only).(72)
3.9.4. The protection of the Community.
· The likelihood of the accused interfering with evidence, intimidating witnesses or otherwise obstructing the course of justice.(77)
· The likelihood of the accused committing an offence while on bail.(78)
· The nature of the offence, its seriousness, and category.(79)
There's also something I noticed called a 'geographic restraint', which is probably what I was getting at in my previous post about the peadophile. They have it in SA but not in Vic.
If you break the restraint over here you're in breach of bail (I think) and you'll be re-arrested (I think.) Over there, you can go back to work (I think), pending the other conditions I've outlined here (I think).
I'm not cut out for being a legal eagle, but if it helps it helps.
Maddog1980
20 Jan 2004, 16:07
60 meters down the road and a bouncer hits a patron while the thother holds lehman in a headlock.
Why did the bouncers follow him?
They were thinking lets got smash the old dude and teach him to ' face the music' as such. 10 bucks says that this wasnt even said in english.
An absolute disgrace and i hope he gets the book thrown at him and then rots in jail forever.
People like this bloke become bouncers because they think that it gives them a right to beat up on people. They also presume that they will be in the right they arnt the ones that are drinking.
I hope sum donkey goes round to this blokes house burns it down and kills this f***er.
When was the last time you saw a WASPM as a bouncer.
ASK yourself that?
Some people just dont place the same value on human life as some others do.
NOT HAPPY JAN
LUV YA HOOKSY
red+black
20 Jan 2004, 16:56
Originally posted by Squeak
True. I wish that he gets pummelled to the point where is no longer alive, let alone able to speak.
Agreed, and I'll sleep easily with that thought.
Dry Rot
20 Jan 2004, 17:20
Originally posted by Maddog1980
60 meters down the road and a bouncer hits a patron while the thother holds lehman in a headlock.
Why did the bouncers follow him?
They were thinking lets got smash the old dude and teach him to ' face the music' as such. 10 bucks says that this wasnt even said in english.
An absolute disgrace and i hope he gets the book thrown at him and then rots in jail forever.
Have no doubt that the bouncer who hit Hookes and his 2 friends are in deep poo.
Think of the possible defences:
Self defence?
Not at the time of the fatal attack, the cricketers were followed down 2 streets, and Hookes was getting into his car.
Were they defending their employer's property?
Not a real defence, and the group attacked was 60 metres away and departing
The assailant will go away at least for manslaughter, and his mates could be in trouble too.
But this would be a good outcome for him - with his boxing background and following the victim (premeditation?) he may stand trial for murder.
I would doubt that he would go down for murder. I think it would be difficult to prove a premeditated intention to cause death. What possible defense for manslaughter though? None, it appears. I only hope that the penalty he receives is sufficient. Not just for David Hookes and his family, but for other victims of this type of incident. 15 years ago, a mate of mine dropped deaed a week after being belted by a bouncer. It has happened before and sadly, it will happen again. Its time to be tough on this sort of thuggery.
Black Thunder
20 Jan 2004, 18:14
I would be suprised if he got done for murder, even though i desperately hope he does....
But the thing i hold the most hope for in my heart, that goes against this dead**** in court is
1) He has a previous offence, making his record unclean.
and
2) The media and people outcry against this, puts the judge in a position where he'll be under A LOT of pressure from A LOT of people to put him away for loooooooooong time.
Hopefully numbers 1 and 2 go against him big time and he may end up with quite a decent sentence. which he deserves!
He has no leg to stand on as he got involved in something outside the premisis. His job and resposibility ends at the front door of that pub. You are taught this during your training. Even dimwits like this bloke would have known that. He had no business being that far from the premisis let alone assualting somebody. He is finished.
Two things re: previous queries in this thread:
Firstly, his being on bail for a previous assualt. He would most likely only be barred from working as a crowd controller as part of his bail if the offence had occurred while he was working, or if it was a very serious one. (I haven't heard any details of what it actually was).
Secondly, to convict of murder you'd have to prove that he either (a) intended to kill; or (b) intended to cause injury, and that it was reasonable to expect that death could result. Both of those are extremely unlikely in this case.
The Phat Side
20 Jan 2004, 19:38
Originally posted by marcuz
He has no leg to stand on as he got involved in something outside the premisis. His job and resposibility ends at the front door of that pub. You are taught this during your training. Even dimwits like this bloke would have known that. He had no business being that far from the premisis let alone assualting somebody. He is finished.
Well thats not necessarily true. It depends on the criteria set down by the venue. Some inner city venues, in particular ones located close to houses in residential areas, often instruct their security to ensure patons leave the area quickly and quietly.
Many of these establishments are under constant pressure by the councils to ensure residents are not disturbed while people are leaving, and in particular people loitering in the streets after closing time.
Certainly I make no judgement in this instance. But as a general rule, the venue management stipulate the "boundaries" for security and it doesnt always end at the door.
tiger of old
20 Jan 2004, 19:39
Originally posted by SCRAY72
King Hit by a coward. Several conflicting stories but apparently he was leaving the pub and was followed outside by the coward.
amazing on the main board such speculation was edited and in the end the post was deleted.
Cooldude
20 Jan 2004, 19:42
Originally posted by scmods
convict of murder you'd have to prove that he either (a) intended to kill; or (b) intended to cause injury, and that it was reasonable to expect that death could result.
He did intend to cause an injury, and though he didn't expect to kill him, it's still a crime that's enough to put him in the cell for a few years, well, a few years only......
Originally posted by the phat side
Certainly I make no judgement in this instance. But as a general rule, the venue management stipulate the "boundaries" for security and it doesnt always end at the door.
Well where i work at the eureka in geelong we a prohibited to leave the front entrance to follow up any situation. We are hired to protect the premisis and thats it. If a brawl is happening 50 metres away then that is a job for the police and they should be contacted.
Woodson
20 Jan 2004, 20:18
Originally posted by marcuz
Well where i work at the eureka in geelong we a prohibited to leave the front entrance to follow up any situation. We are hired to protect the premisis and thats it. If a brawl is happening 50 metres away then that is a job for the police and they should be contacted.
And the only charge the police can hold him up for is 'assault' ??
what the.....????
What a screwed up LAW system we have. THE GUY IS DEAD !!!
(no disrespect to Hookesy)
..... if this scum thug doesn't get manslaughter chargers laid upon them, then he's life wouldn't be worth living....I'm sure there is going to be a HEAVY outcome to this.
ONE LIFE taken away just like that. MAKES ME VERY ANGRY!!! :mad: :mad: a HEAVY PRICE HAS TO BE PAID !!
Black Thunder
20 Jan 2004, 20:31
he'll get done for manslaughter.
they just need to get a concrete case together first which will take a couple of days of collecting statements and the like.
no reason to rush it.
but the powers that be won't let him get off lightly - i can assure you of that. the public outrage over this is HUGE, and even though the motives behind it are wrong (getting the voters onside) the guy will get what he deserves.
Woodson
20 Jan 2004, 21:30
Originally posted by Black Thunder
he'll get done for manslaughter.
and in this country...how long is that in the BIG HOUSE ? 10-15-20 years at best ?? pffft !! PATHETIC !
this can't be an isolated case. the scumbag has other scumbag mates with probably the same attitude... too much unjust on this planet... a life has been destroyed and never to be brought back while this type of filth come out after a short term and resume thier life. it makes you think about life....my thoughts are with his Hookesy's family and his mates.
RIP Hookesy :(
Black Thunder
20 Jan 2004, 21:37
Originally posted by Woodson
and in this country...how long is that in the BIG HOUSE ? 10-15-20 years at best ?? pffft !! PATHETIC !
this can't be an isolated case. the scumbag has other scumbag mates with probably the same attitude... too much unjust on this planet... a life has been destroyed and never to be brought back while this type of filth come out after a short term and resume thier life. it makes you think about life....my thoughts are with his Hookesy's family and his mates.
RIP Hookesy :(
very true.
but as i've said, what gives me great hope, although the motives are sinister and wrong (to get votes), don't underestimate the power of politicians in this country.
The guys who raped though chicks in Sydney's western suburbs got 50 years or something like that because of the immense heat on the situation.
This, even in Sydney where Hookes has had little to no impact on life up here, has had FAR more media attention and far more public outcry.
Mightypies
20 Jan 2004, 22:25
The worst part about the incident is that him and his coward mates seemed satisfied about the punch. One of them gave Zdravko a rugby tap.
I'm very happy to hear that he has another incident pending to go to court.
To Hookes' family and friends, don't worry about the consequences to Zdravko, his life won't be worth living.
However long the sentence he gets, Zdravko will have enough memories in jail to last him a lifetime of grief.
Russian
20 Jan 2004, 23:23
Originally posted by tiger of old
amazing on the main board such speculation was edited and in the end the post was deleted. You're not trying to tell me the moderating across these boards is inconsistent are you??? :eek: :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Woodson
if this scum thug doesn't get manslaughter chargers laid upon them, then he's life wouldn't be worth living With the legal system in this country, he'll probably be locked up away from the general population for a few years then released at the airport with a new identity and a ticket to some other country. :rolleyes: