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Fall Out Boy
26 Jan 2004, 19:37
Anyone see his diabolical keeping tonight?
He has no clue when the slower bowlers are on, and none of them turn the ball much, imagine how bad he'd be with Warne bowling. :eek:
First he gets a stumping after a ball he missed rebounded off his pads and onto the stumps, then within 2 overs, he missed two relatively simple stumping chances after fumbling the ball.
When will the selectors pick a keeper based upon his keeping ability?
goaldrush
26 Jan 2004, 19:40
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Anyone see his diabolical keeping tonight?
He has no clue when the slower bowlers are on, and none of them turn the ball much, imagine how bad he'd be with Warne bowling. :eek:
First he gets a stumping after a ball he missed rebounded off his pads and onto the stumps, then within 2 overs, he missed two relatively simple stumping chances after fumbling the ball.
When will the selectors pick a keeper based upon his keeping ability? He is only in the side because Gilly is having a rest.
Originally posted by goaldrush
He is only in the side because Gilly is having a rest.
Does anybody have a shotgun?
what about putting berry in the side?
Fall Out Boy
26 Jan 2004, 19:55
Chuck hasn't played in 2 months.
Seccombe or Clingeleffer should be in the need, not this guy masquerading as a keeper.
goaldrush
26 Jan 2004, 19:56
Originally posted by rizzo
what about putting berry in the side? No.
Marcus,
don't be so stupid.
Originally posted by goaldrush
Marcus,
don't be so stupid.
Im stupid yet you spelt my name wrong.
catattack
26 Jan 2004, 20:02
Four more byes... but in the wash up, although his keeping wasn't the best, it didn't cost the Aussies anything. Gilly will be back soon, so it's only a temporary fix.
Captain Sensible
26 Jan 2004, 20:03
Originally posted by goaldrush
No.
Marcus,
don't be so stupid.
Why would that be stupid Suzi? He is one of the best keepers in the world amd would easily be capable of playing that standard.
goaldrush
26 Jan 2004, 20:09
Originally posted by localyokel
Why would that be stupid Suzi? He is one of the best keepers in the world amd would easily be capable of playing that standard. Did you read his post?
Does anybody have a shotgun?
catattack
26 Jan 2004, 20:16
Originally posted by rizzo
what about putting berry in the side?
He is the best leg side stumper in the game, and all in all is a very good wicket keeper.
The selectors are loathed though however to select a keeper purely on keeping ability; Berry is past his prime with the bat.
Seccombe by far is the best keeper in Australia, travesty to think Haddin who is an average keeper and a hit and miss batsmen gets the nod over the class of Seccombe.
Fall Out Boy
26 Jan 2004, 20:27
Originally posted by catattack
Berry is past his prime with the bat.
Chuck never had a prime with the bat.
OldSchool
26 Jan 2004, 20:29
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
When will the selectors pick a keeper based upon his keeping ability?
Most teams don't place a great emphasis on keeping in ODI.
I would suggest that Campbell and Maher are still in with a albeit slight shot of still getting a game behind the stumps.
Crooked Rain
26 Jan 2004, 21:16
Originally posted by goaldrush
He is only in the side because Gilly is having a rest.
Oh my gawd!!!! :rolleyes:
Why don't we give Ponting a rest and bring in Greg Mail or Richard Chee Que while we're at it.
cr.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
First he gets a stumping after a ball he missed rebounded off his pads and onto the stumps, then within 2 overs, he missed two relatively simple stumping chances after fumbling the ball.
It was like watching the Indian keeper Patel.He gets stumping by accident.
Dippers Donuts
26 Jan 2004, 21:27
They would be better off bringing Langer into the side when Gilly is having a rest - couldn't keep any worse than Haddin.
Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
They would be better off bringing Langer into the side when Gilly is having a rest - couldn't keep any worse than Haddin.
Mike Hussey,not Langer,was wicketkeeper for WA in the Pura Cup game that finished tonight.Surely he'd be a better option than Haddin.
Forget Berry, Seccombe and Campbell. If we're going to have a replacement keeper for a game or two, we might as well be using it to groom Gilchrist's successor.
That leaves Haddin, Clingeleffer and Manou.
Clingeleffer is the best of the trio. But the decision to go with Haddin is understandable given his batting is more suited to one-day cricket.
wagstaff
26 Jan 2004, 21:40
I'd agree with what Peter Roebuck said on the radio tonight that Haddin should only really be in the side if he's used high up in the batting order as his strength is his batting and not his bowling.
His keeping performance tonight suggests that he really only got picked by default.
Remember- Haddin is from NSW.
F.ck the NSW mafia!
EagleBlue
26 Jan 2004, 22:02
Originally posted by DaveW
Forget Berry, Seccombe and Campbell. If we're going to have a replacement keeper for a game or two, we might as well be using it to groom Gilchrist's successor.
That leaves Haddin, Clingeleffer and Manou.
Clingeleffer is the best of the trio. But the decision to go with Haddin is understandable given his batting is more suited to one-day cricket.
Great in theory but whats the point in picking a batsman/keeper if you are going to bat him at 7 ?????. Might as well have picked Seccombe.
Captain Sensible
26 Jan 2004, 22:06
Originally posted by goaldrush
Did you read his post?
Ah I see. Carry on then.
EssJayW
26 Jan 2004, 22:08
Posts 2,3, 6 and 7 of this thread are the funniest posts I have read on BigFooty. GR must be taking the pyss.
Originally posted by EagleBlue
Great in theory but whats the point in picking a batsman/keeper if you are going to bat him at 7 ?????. Might as well have picked Seccombe. Always handy to have a guy who can come in in the last 10 overs and start slogging straight away.
I don't buy this idea that just because the keeper can bat, he has to be high in the order.
Russian
26 Jan 2004, 23:43
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Mike Hussey,not Langer,was wicketkeeper for WA in the Pura Cup game that finished tonight.Surely he'd be a better option than Haddin. If his keeping was as good as has been said, he should've jumped Maher and Haddin for next time Gilly has a rest. Better batsman than the other 2, younger than Maher, Seccombe, Campbell and Berry. Also a potential long term replacement for Bevan.
so Haddin kept like an old lady then??
even if they are giving a guy a rest, they should replace him with the next quaility player, the next in line, not some NSW neva-was!!!
Bombers_Forever
27 Jan 2004, 06:27
Originally posted by wagstaff
I'd agree with what Peter Roebuck said on the radio tonight that Haddin should only really be in the side if he's used high up in the batting order as his strength is his batting and not his bowling.
His keeping performance tonight suggests that he really only got picked by default.
Have to agree. His batting is not spectacular so he should be picked for his keeping. His keeping is mediocre at best. Seccombe, Campbell, Maher.......and every other keeper in the country should have been picked ahead of him. Amazing how Steve Rixon made a big deal about Campbell getting the job last year- he is very quiet now.
manmountain
27 Jan 2004, 07:12
Originally posted by acuguy
Seccombe by far is the best keeper in Australia, travesty to think Haddin who is an average keeper and a hit and miss batsmen gets the nod over the class of Seccombe.
Seccombe might be the best person for the job as he can hold a bat and Berry can't, but you're kidding yourself if you think Seccombe is a better gloveman than Berry.
Berry could be a keeper/bowler - got a wicket a couple of weeks ago in a district match rolling the arm over in a meaningless second innings :D
goaldrush
27 Jan 2004, 08:58
Jimmy Maher was probably the best choice. But Haddin was in form.
dan warna
27 Jan 2004, 09:08
who said haddin was in form?
couldn't be anyone who saw him play?
haddin is a hack at worste and average at best.
I'd rate just about any other keeper in the country ahead of him.
as for batting, berry is not that far behind him in batting,
haddin has to be close to the WORSTE batting keeper in aus.
SCRAY72
27 Jan 2004, 09:28
Haddin = Spastic
Should have played Langer or Maher.
Who is the current Australian Under 19's keeper? Whoever it is, someone call him and tell him to get ready to play for his country in 2008.
Joffaboy
27 Jan 2004, 09:42
Originally posted by SCRAY72
Haddin = Spastic
Should have played Langer or Maher.
Who is the current Australian Under 19's keeper? Whoever it is, someone call him and tell him to get ready to play for his country in 2008.
SCRAY72 - that is an insult to spastics everywhere ;)
Who is the current NSW keeper while haddin is in the Aussie team. Whoever it is will get the gig if Haddin fails.
Why not Ryan Campbell from WA a go again? Played last year and whacks the ball a country mile and keeps well.
dan warna
27 Jan 2004, 09:49
yeah, the reality is the no.2 AND the no.3 keeper in WA is better than the no.1 keeper for NSW.
the no.1 and no.2 keeper for qld is better than the no.1 keeper for NSW etc.
even roachie is probably a better keeper than haddit.
the truth of the matter is there is no justice in selection otherwise taylor, m.waugh and lee wouldn't be a protected species, slats wouldn't have got the 19 chances to humiliate himself and australia that he did, and broken would never have got selected and clarke would have to earn his stripes.
if clarke was a SA player he'd have to stack 10,000 first class runs before he got an aussie baggy green.
the best team in Aus would if fully fit/eligible be a bit like this:
1 matty elliot
2 matty hayden
3 love
4 Punting
5 boof
6 hussey snr
7 Gilchrist
8 Warne
9. dizzy
10. innes
11 McGrath
next in line for batting would be kattich, hussey jnr, langer and hodge.
next in line for spinner would be white, hauritz and hogg
next in line for pacemen would be mcdonald, tait, bix in no particular order.
SCRAY72
27 Jan 2004, 09:54
Originally posted by Joffaboy
SCRAY72 - that is an insult to spastics everywhere ;)
Who is the current NSW keeper while haddin is in the Aussie team. Whoever it is will get the gig if Haddin fails.
Why not Ryan Campbell from WA a go again? Played last year and whacks the ball a country mile and keeps well.
Campbell has been a bit down this year compared to last year but that doesn't seem to matter when selecting some players. As usual it depends on which state you are from.
Say it again Haddin is a dud and if he played for any other state he would never play for Australia. It will be a disgrace if he ever plays test cricket.
I got angry every time I saw Haddin on screen. Not because I don't like him, not because he plays for NSW, not because he isn't a skillfull cricketer - just because he did not deserve to be there and others did.
dan warna
27 Jan 2004, 10:35
hooks was right, as was thommo.
as for lawson, what a clot
Blue Boyz
27 Jan 2004, 10:36
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Anyone see his diabolical keeping tonight?
He has no clue when the slower bowlers are on, and none of them turn the ball much, imagine how bad he'd be with Warne bowling. :eek:
First he gets a stumping after a ball he missed rebounded off his pads and onto the stumps, then within 2 overs, he missed two relatively simple stumping chances after fumbling the ball.
When will the selectors pick a keeper based upon his keeping ability?
Agreed Phatandphsreaky. It doesn't matter how good a bat you are if you can't keep, even in the ODI's. Fortunately Zimbabwe weren't good enough (just) last night to capitalize on these 2nd chances given by Haddin.
What most of the posters who support the selection of the superior batsman /average keeper argument don't realise is that it is the keeper who is the "captain" of the fielding team and he sets the tone/attitude for the rest of the fielders. If he struggles and drops his head, more than likely so will the rest of the team. Successful fielding is a combination of skill, judgement and most importantly confidence and if you have a keeper who takes all the regulation chances plus he turns the half chances into a chances, his example will lift the other fielders. The opposite will happen in reverse, missed chances by the keeper saps the bowlers and the rest of the fielding team of their confidence and enthusiasm.
At Test level Gilly is a fantastic batsman who is at best is only a competent keeper. Since the departure of Healey and M. Waugh we have seen the dramatic decline of the Aussie team from being the best fielder unit in world cricket, without peer to a team that regularly drops 12 to 15 chances a series. Fortunately England, unlike India this summer hasn't been good enough in recent years to take advantage of the misses. One wonders how long that situation will last now that our best bowlers McGrath and Warne are in the twilight of their playing years and every chance that our probable mediocre attack produces must be taken or we may well be looking at the first Ashes loss since the 1986/7 series.
Minkus_Swan
27 Jan 2004, 11:09
Originally posted by dan warna
as for lawson, what a clot
There's nothing wrong for sticking up for your states wicketkeeper.
The selection of Haddin was always going to be "iffy". As DaveW said - there was 3 choices, and Haddin got the gig.
It's simple, Haddin was picked because he suits the one day form (at this stage), better than the other keepers.
For some reason Campbell wasn't picked, which could be due to his age.
I didn't want Haddin in the team, I would rather Clingeleffer, but maybe he's not ready. Hopefully we see him get his chance in the upcoming tours.
dan warna
27 Jan 2004, 11:21
sure, but as a commentator he's a prat.
I think he's a great servant of NSW, but Lawrie, while pro victorian, isn't the tool that lawson is.
as for Greig, he's a hack.
Black Thunder
27 Jan 2004, 11:30
what a whinge fest from the "we don't have a inferiority complex" victorians in here.......... :)
c'arn HADS!!! a mighty Eastern Suburbs boy!! he'll do the red white blue proud!
The Spornstar
27 Jan 2004, 11:31
Originally posted by Minkus_Swan
There's nothing wrong for sticking up for your states wicketkeeper.
I must have missed this - what did Lawson say?
The Spornstar
27 Jan 2004, 11:33
Originally posted by Black Thunder
what a whinge fest from the "we don't have a inferiority complex" victorians in here.......... :)
That's right, we're not allowed to whinge about substandard performances that we could all see coming. And how many Vics were saying that a Vic keeper should have been in the team instead?
Originally posted by Black Thunder
what a whinge fest from the "we don't have a inferiority complex" victorians in here.......... :)
c'arn HADS!!! a mighty Eastern Suburbs boy!! he'll do the red white blue proud!
If I remember correctly, Haddin originated from Canberra. He played for the Comets for the three years they were in the One dayers.
Should've given the Comets a few more years to settle into their program. It's just starting to bare fruit as they've dominated the second teir cricket comp this year. I think they have won every game outright.
As for Haddin's performance. It wasn't the best, but it was his first international game in two or three years, so I thought he did OK. It may take a game or two to get used to the style and pace of the game. All you non-NSWmen have fairly short memories. Marsh was abysmal in his first few games (how did he get the nickname Iron Gloves), as was Healy and Gilchrist. Haddin is easily the best wicket-keeper currently playing in the State Competition. He has the safest hands I've seen in the 25 years I've been playing and watching the game. His movement is first class. His batting has also improved every season. There is no doubt he will be Australia's next wicket-keeper, and it will be thoroughly deserved.
That's right, we're not allowed to whinge about substandard performances that we could all see coming. And how many Vics were saying that a Vic keeper should have been in the team instead?
Unfortunately Spornstar, some Vic supporters ruin it for the rest of you. Like the one in this thread who said that Elliott should be opening ahead of Langer, and that Clarke shoudn't be playing for Australia because he's not proven, but said that Macca wouldn't be far away from selection. Blinding Stupidity.
Fall Out Boy
27 Jan 2004, 11:53
Originally posted by Black Thunder
what a whinge fest from the "we don't have a inferiority complex" victorians in here.......... :)
So you obviously think his keeping was pathetic as well, right?
No other reason for you to completely avoid the issue.
BTW You are our bitches and have been for 5 years, no need for inferiority complexes.
BTW You are our bitches and have been for 5 years, no need for inferiority complexes.
Your bitches maybe, but also the reigning ING and Pura Cup bitches :rolleyes:
The Spornstar
27 Jan 2004, 11:58
Originally posted by spanna
Unfortunately Spornstar, some Vic supporters ruin it for the rest of you. Like the one in this thread who said that Elliott should be opening ahead of Langer, and that Clarke shoudn't be playing for Australia because he's not proven, but said that Macca wouldn't be far away from selection. Blinding Stupidity.
Yes but that’s Dan Warna – he doesn’t count! Seriously his opinions on such issues are extreme and ridiculous. But it isn’t extreme to suggest that Haddin kept badly last night yet Black Thunder doesn’t seem to have noticed this.
dan warna
27 Jan 2004, 12:07
I think there are fair few who consider elliot superior to langer.
as for haddin, if he wasn't from NSW he wouldn't be in contention.
Yes but that’s Dan Warna – he doesn’t count! Seriously his opinions on such issues are extreme and ridiculous. But it isn’t extreme to suggest that Haddin kept badly last night yet Black Thunder doesn’t seem to have noticed this.
Fully agree. Haddin was shocking last night. Batted at a very difficult stage, so had to at least keep well to justify his selection. It's not like Clarke and Symonds are huge spinners of the ball either.
I think there are fair few who consider elliot superior to langer.
I wouldn't think so.
Freo Big Fella
27 Jan 2004, 12:23
List A Limited Overs Stats
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct S
60 57 2 1493 133 27.14 2 10 84 24 Haddin
37 29 13 331 48 20.68 62.80 0 0 36 3 Clingleffer
47 40 13 536 63 19.85 0 2 61 4 Manou
79 60 20 877 67* 21.92 0 4 112 21 Seccombe
86 64 19 745 64* 16.55 0 1 106 29 Berry
100 97 5 2176 108 23.65 1 10 134 11 Campbell
2003-04 ING Cup Most Fielding Dismissals
Name Mat Runs Ave W Ave Ct St Dis Team
WA Seccombe 7 144 48.00 - - 7 4 11 QLD
GA Manou 7 127 31.75 - - 9 2 11 SA
RJ Campbell 7 152 21.71 - - 10 - 10 WA
BJ Haddin 6 71 14.20 - - 6 1 7 NSW
2003-04 Australian First-class Most Fielding Dismissals
Name Mat Runs Ave W Ave Ct St Dis Team
WA Seccombe 7 359 32.63 - - 37 1 38 QLD/AUS-A
SG Clingeleffer 7 326 36.22 - - 23 2 25 TAS
RJ Campbell 8 453 32.35 - - 19 6 25 WA
AC Gilchrist 6 229 32.71 - - 19 3 22 AUS
GA Manou 6 154 14.00 - - 20 - 20 SOA
PJ Roach 6 128 21.33 0 - 18 - 18 VIC
CL White 7 383 42.55 15 45.20 16 - 16 VIC/AUS-A
BJ Haddin 4 248 35.42 - - 13 2 15 NSW
MEK Hussey 8 722 45.12 2 46.00 14 - 14 WA/AUS-A
My ass Haddin is the form keeper.
Black Thunder
27 Jan 2004, 12:40
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
So you obviously think his keeping was pathetic as well, right?
1 - can't comment on yesterday as i didn't see, but he's keeping generally is upto the standard. Not as good as others such as Berry and Seccombe, but far from as bad as you fellas like to make it out. He's batting is far superior.
Blue Boyz
27 Jan 2004, 13:17
Originally posted by DEVO
As for Haddin's performance. It wasn't the best, but it was his first international game in two or three years, so I thought he did OK. It may take a game or two to get used to the style and pace of the game. All you non-NSWmen have fairly short memories. Marsh was abysmal in his first few games (how did he get the nickname Iron Gloves), as was Healy and Gilchrist. Haddin is easily the best wicket-keeper currently playing in the State Competition.
Point taken about Marsh, Healey and Gilchrist struggling in their early days.
I think Gilchrist still does if you want my honest opinion!!!!
He has the safest hands I've seen in the 25 years I've been playing and watching the game. His movement is first class. His batting has also improved every season. There is no doubt he will be Australia's next wicket-keeper, and it will be thoroughly deserved. [/B]
However I will take you task about your hyperbolic statement that
".....he (Haddin) has the safest hands I've seen in the 25 years years......His movement is first class."
Correct me if I am wrong but by this is you mean Haddin is the best keeper you have seen in the last 25 years as IMHO safe hands and good footwork are the two basic instrumentals in determining the quality of a keeper.
If this is your opinion you need to start playing and observing cricket outside of your backyard. Without thinking too hard I can nominate several Australian keepers including Healey, Berry, Zoehrer and Anderson not to mention a host of international keepers such as Russell, Boucher, Smith, Murray and even
Bob Taylor to name just a few, who were/are streets ahead of Haddin in the safe hands and good footwork department and have played in the last 25 years.
I watched him closely taking the slows last night and he was troubled by Clarke and Symonds, two bowlers not noted for their turn. I sorry but I have to question his footwork as he didn't get himself early enough down the legside and was guilty of committing the classic mistake of coming up too early and being beaten by the low bounce. I really think he would have incredible trouble taking Warney successfully when he comes around the wicket and bowls into the foot marks. Gilly struggles now with this but
Healey and Berry handled very well.
I know it is out of the your ''25 year window of knowledge/memory of cricket" but if you want an example of a keeper with "good" hands/footwork, try to get some old video footage of the greatest all round keeper I have ever seen, the maestro Allan Knott. At his top in the 1970/71 Ashes tour of Oz, he missed one half chance down the legside and let 2 byes go for the whole series including all the tour games.
And standing back to the quicks, our own Iron Gloves Marsh was had very few peers, his combination with D K Lillee was nearly unbeatable.
manmountain
27 Jan 2004, 13:54
Devo,
Haddin is not even in the best three gloveman in the country at the moment, let alone the last 25 years.
Darren Berry has been the best gloveman in the world for the past decade. A highlights tape of some of his work up to the stumps to the likes of Warne, and even at times to Reiffel and Fleming, would make for awesome viewing. The man just never fumbles anything - ever. He is a classic case of a test standard player never getting the chance due to wrong place, wrong time (ie. being a dud bat at a time when keeper/batsmen are the flavour of the month).
In Australia at the moment, Seccombe and Clingleffer are superior keepers to Haddin, and have far better batting records in domestic ODI's this season as well. Seccombe in particular deserves the chance at a higher level.
Campbell is an explosive cricketer who is probably not going to get another chance, but even he is better than Haddin. There is just nothing about Haddin's keeping or batting record to recommend him for a place in Australia best XI in either form of the game. But for a lucky bounce off his pads he could have had three missed stumpings last night, chances that Berry, Seccombe and Clingleffer would not have let slip.
Originally posted by Black Thunder
what a whinge fest from the "we don't have a inferiority complex" victorians in here.......... :)
That would be the Victorians saying that either a Qld or Tassie player should've been keeper last night,would it ?
Take the blinkers off.
Fall Out Boy
27 Jan 2004, 14:48
Originally posted by Black Thunder
1 - can't comment on yesterday as i didn't see, but he's keeping generally is upto the standard. Not as good as others such as Berry and Seccombe, but far from as bad as you fellas like to make it out. He's batting is far superior.
So you decided that we were having an unfair whinge, yet didn't see him play yourself. How does that work?
Fall Out Boy
27 Jan 2004, 14:49
Originally posted by JUBJUB
That would be the Victorians saying that either a Qld or Tassie player should've been keeper last night,would it ?
Take the blinkers off.
Come on Jubs, don't you know the world revolves around NSW.
Fall Out Boy
27 Jan 2004, 14:51
Originally posted by spanna
Your bitches maybe, but also the reigning ING and Pura Cup bitches :rolleyes:
Not for long.
Fall Out Boy
27 Jan 2004, 14:53
Originally posted by The Spornstar
Yes but that’s Dan Warna – he doesn’t count! Seriously his opinions on such issues are extreme and ridiculous.
Exactly. It appears that some belief this Dan Warna speaks for all of us, that or his ridiculous statements merely suit their argument.
Seccombe should have got the gig IMHO, as a reward for consistency with gloves and bat over an extended period.
However, I do agree with whoever posted early in the thread saying that the selectors would have looked at who was likely to be Gilchrist's eventual replacement, and selected from a relatively small pool of Haddin, Manou and Clingeleffer. If this is the case, the selection of Haddin is fair enough, but that's not the thinking I would have used for two games.
I'm sure that when Gilchrist retires in three or so years, there will be someone (within a suitable age/experience group) putting his hand up to be Australia's keeper. There have to be more than 6 keepers in the country, so surely finding a replacement isn't crucial. As good as keepers can be, they're generally not the ones that win matches (with their keeping) so no keeper has to be a superstar.
Originally posted by Darky
However, I do agree with whoever posted early in the thread saying that the selectors would have looked at who was likely to be Gilchrist's eventual replacement, and selected from a relatively small pool of Haddin, Manou and Clingeleffer.
Are you taking the ***** or just mentally unbalanced?
Manou a possible replacement for Gilchrist? Pfft. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Zeke
Are you taking the ***** or just mentally unbalanced?
Manou a possible replacement for Gilchrist? Pfft. :rolleyes:
Wasn't suggesting Manou at all....
The three I mentioned are all in the age group which would be examined for Gilchrist's likely replacement.. the others (Berry, Seccombe, Campbell) are too old to be looked at for being long-term replacements.
And in that case, Haddin is a better bet than Manou and Clingeleffer at this stage.
Originally posted by Darky
And in that case, Haddin is a better bet than Manou and Clingeleffer at this stage.
Maybe with the bat but not with the gloves. Don't think much of Manou at all but Clingeleffer is a talent.
Fall Out Boy
27 Jan 2004, 19:51
Originally posted by Darky
And in that case, Haddin is a better bet than Manou and Clingeleffer at this stage.
Assuming Gilchrist plays for another 4-5 years (not a wild assumption, i'd say), Haddin will be 30-31. Hardly in the right age bracket to be considered for a fulltime gig.
Clingeleffer, on the other hand, will only be 27-28, with far more ahead of him.
Originally posted by Darky
And in that case, Haddin is a better bet than Manou and Clingeleffer at this stage.
Apart from that being merely opinion, it isn't even educated opinion. Especially when you take current form into account.
Crooked Rain
27 Jan 2004, 22:32
Originally posted by goaldrush
Jimmy Maher was probably the best choice. But Haddin was in form.
:rolleyes: form??? :confused:
They might as well have picked Seccombe instead of Haddin. Neither will be Australia's next first-choice keeper.
I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but Gilchrist's replacement may actually be a particular state's own third choice at the moment, behind Darren Berry and Peter Roach.
EagleBlue
28 Jan 2004, 00:50
Originally posted by Squeak
They might as well have picked Seccombe instead of Haddin. Neither will be Australia's next first-choice keeper.
I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but Gilchrist's replacement may actually be a particular state's own third choice at the moment, behind Darren Berry and Peter Roach.
Hartley from Qld or Croswaite from Vic would be the obvious standouts in that regard I would think
goaldrush
28 Jan 2004, 07:11
Originally posted by Crooked Rain
:rolleyes: form??? :confused: Yeah he was in form in the Pura Cup competition. Go and do some research CR instead of being a know it all.
Crooked Rain
29 Jan 2004, 04:38
As an earlier poster said "My ass he's the form keeper".
or keeper/batsman.
The stats are there to see in one of the earlier posts in this thread. Have a look at your mate Brett Lee's recent numbers while you're at it.
goaldrush
30 Jan 2004, 09:19
Originally posted by Crooked Rain
As an earlier poster said "My ass he's the form keeper".
or keeper/batsman.
The stats are there to see in one of the earlier posts in this thread. Have a look at your mate Brett Lee's recent numbers while you're at it. He has been out injured and you know that, numbnuts.
dan warna
30 Jan 2004, 09:26
who brett lee or brad haddin?
haven't we had this conversation before?
haven't we PROVEN that Brett lee has been below par for 3 years now?
DER
I think its you thats the numbnuts protecting the glory of brett lee that hasn't been there for 3 years now.
he's barely making up the numbers in the test side, he's a hack and a liability.
Crooked Rain
30 Jan 2004, 14:23
Originally posted by goaldrush
He has been out injured and you know that, numbnuts.
Been out injured? Well well. We MUST pick him for Australia then. He's Brad Haddin and he's from NSW.
Yeah great reasoning for being selected in the side. When he has played for NSW, he's been ordinary. Oh but he's been injured so he deserves a spot.
Seccombe and co. should feel shafted.
Goose.