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For all the Martyn knockers, thought I would outline what sort of ODI form he has been in of late. The following are his last 19 ODI scores:
52, 31, 88*, 0*, 92*, 1, 16, 2*, 100, 10, 0, 61*, 61, 21, 47*, 1, 0, 9, 42.
That equates to 634 runs at the very respectable average of 48.77.
Pretty damn good, if you ask me.
The Spornstar
30 Jan 2004, 06:51
Originally posted by Zeke
For all the Martyn knockers, thought I would outline what sort of ODI form he has been in of late. The following are his last 19 ODI scores:
52, 31, 88*, 0*, 92*, 1, 16, 2*, 100, 10, 0, 61*, 61, 21, 47*, 1, 0, 9, 42.
That equates to 634 runs at the very respectable average of 48.77.
Pretty damn good, if you ask me.
I think people have been mixing up test form with one day form. His One day form over the last few series (apart from this one) has been fine, his test form hasn't been up to scratch if you ask me
dan warna
30 Jan 2004, 07:34
don't know about that, mark waugh would give away his missus for a batting average like martyn's...
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
overall 39 2339 133 45.86 5 15 2 1/0 84.00 0 19 0
filtered 10 569 95 40.64 0 4 1 1/0 93.00 0 6 0
filtered 5 286 66* 40.85 0 1 0 - - 0 4 0
so basically he's been averaging about 40 for the past 2 years or 10 test matches, his past 5 test matches he's been averaging 40, or about the same as m.waughs career average.
how can anyone bag martyn and still defend m.waugh boring over rated career.
if you want to sack martyn admit m.waugh was an over rated hack, then you may have some credibility or else you must be some sort of Hypocrite.
Zeke - those stats you quoted weren't quite right. Before the 27 against Zimbabwe, he had a duck in Melbourne vs India. So his ODI scores vs India so far in the VB series have been 0, 1 and 0.
Hardly convincing in Australia against the opponent that matters.
Having said that, he did look sharp last night and hopefully continues that on Sunday vs India!
red+black
30 Jan 2004, 07:44
Originally posted by dan warna
so basically he's been averaging about 40 for the past 2 years or 10 test matches, his past 5 test matches he's been averaging 40, or about the same as m.waughs career average.
how can anyone bag martyn and still defend m.waugh boring over rated career.
if you want to sack martyn admit m.waugh was an over rated hack, then you may have some credibility or else you must be some sort of Hypocrite.
i agree that mark waugh under achieved, could never ever make a big score, and could never improve his average.
now to damien martyn. his test average over the past 24 months is appalling. an average of 40-45 in this time is hopeless, considering the opposition we have played, and the fact that other Aussie batsmen have been average 70 to 90, and increased their career averages substantially.
compare martyn with langer. some think that langer is shaky. here is someone who when he gets his eye in goes on with it, and can make a big hundred. martyn, when he gets his eye in, makes his customary 30 or 40. martyn, like waugh, will never make a big score and will never improve his average.
Russian
30 Jan 2004, 07:45
Talk about selective statistics! Why that cut off, I wonder what his score before that was? :rolleyes:
Since his return - at least that's some sort of cut off - not including the Bangladesh series coz Glenn McGrath could make runs against them,
16, 2*, 100, 10, 0, 61*, 61, 0, 21, 47*, 1, 0, 9, 42
Average: 33.09
Even if you throw in the Bangladesh series,
0*, 92*, 1 makes the average 38.08 which isn't overly impressive for a top order batsman
Originally posted by DIG
Zeke - those stats you quoted weren't quite right. Before the 27 against Zimbabwe, he had a duck in Melbourne vs India. So his ODI scores vs India so far in the VB series have been 0, 1 and 0.
Scores were taken from BaggyGreen, one can only assume they are right when quoting them. :)
Fall Out Boy
30 Jan 2004, 07:48
Originally posted by The Spornstar
I think people have been mixing up test form with one day form. His One day form over the last few series (apart from this one) has been fine, his test form hasn't been up to scratch if you ask me
That's it.
dan warna
30 Jan 2004, 07:51
as did i
the thing is he maintained his 40 ave against india, which suggests he is climbing out of his slump.
ave of 40 against india, the 2nd or 3rd best test side in the world is not to be sneezed.
sure i agree he's out of form, but he's certainly not crap.
Russian
30 Jan 2004, 07:59
Originally posted by dan warna
sure i agree he's out of form, but he's certainly not crap. I don't think anyone's said he's crap, but he's not in our best 6 batsmen atm in either form of the game so he should be out of there.
Originally posted by dan warna
as did i
the thing is he maintained his 40 ave against india, which suggests he is climbing out of his slump.
ave of 40 against india, the 2nd or 3rd best test side in the world is not to be sneezed.
sure i agree he's out of form, but he's certainly not crap.
India's bowling at the best of time isn't great. Without Khan and Harbajan its dubious at best. Their team is ranked about 5th, and it is only that high because of their batting.
New Zealand pummeled their attack just before they came here (their full strength attack that is).
Averaging 40 against India is to be sneezed at. Especially when that is an improvement.
Our brittle middle order syndrome (that we have had since before NZ last toured here) is a major reason we lost the Adelaide match, and almost lost the Sydney one. Our bowling was the other reason.
Cupido13
30 Jan 2004, 08:27
Originally posted by dan warna
so basically he's been averaging about 40 for the past 2 years or 10 test matches, his past 5 test matches he's been averaging 40, or about the same as m.waughs career average.
how can anyone bag martyn and still defend m.waugh boring over rated career.
if you want to sack martyn admit m.waugh was an over rated hack, then you may have some credibility or else you must be some sort of Hypocrite.
When Damien Martyn brings up his 21st Test hundred to move past Mark Waugh, I will admit that he is a better player than Mark Waugh. Also, you may say that Mark Waugh underachieved, however, boring is probably the last word I would use to describe him.
IceTemple
30 Jan 2004, 08:34
Well Zeke I have been very vocal about Martyn's armchair ride just as others have been vocal over Lee's armchair ride.
For both Lee and Martyn the jury is still out and after both their recent efforts they deserve a little longer to get back in statistical form.
Lee is fine in ODI's and his place should be assured and I have to admit the same can be said of Martyn in ODIs.
If we are going to quote stats on Martyn in ODI's then in tests the guy is struggling and that is where the problem lies. As far as M Waugh I personally always thought he looked good but played poorly when we needed him to stand up.
Mark, IMO, never lived up to his potential especially if you consider his twin. He was a guaranteed player for Aus but IMO that was purely due to being the brother of one S Waugh.
dan warna
30 Jan 2004, 08:34
well if he maintains his batting average and stays around for about 15 years he will pass mark waugh, however the selectors are not as forgiving to non NSW batsmen as they are for those from NSW.
red+black
30 Jan 2004, 09:03
Lehmann has received public support this week from Australia's coach John Buchanan, who said he would like the South Australian to be included in the touring party to Sri Lanka next month.
"He is a proven player of spin and is a good general in the side," Buchanan said.
Lehmann's job, starting today, is to score enough runs to make sure he is picked.
"There's no guarantees and neither there should be," he said.
Take notice selectors, Ponting, Martyn.
rchowell
30 Jan 2004, 13:44
Originally posted by Russian
Average: 33.09
Even if you throw in the Bangladesh series,
0*, 92*, 1 makes the average 38.08 which isn't overly impressive for a top order batsmanErm... This may come as a shock to you but an average of 38.08 in limited overs cricket is considered particularly good. Even more so when it is done at a strike rate of above 80, and in recent times Martyn's strike rate has been closer to 100 than 80. Even 33.09 is reasonable - only a touch below Adam Gilchrist.
Cooldude
30 Jan 2004, 13:50
Nah, keep him in the ODI, but I'd be more interested with his Test match form if you show his stats after he made that 133, which is his last century.
ViperV10
30 Jan 2004, 14:03
Even as a perennial Damien Martyn bagger, I have never once said he should be dropped from the one-day side. Those stats are pretty much what I expected...it is the Test match arena in which he can't play.
Fall Out Boy
31 Jan 2004, 18:50
Originally posted by rchowell
in recent times Martyn's strike rate has been closer to 100 than 80.
Utter rubbish
Even in his purple patch his SR was below 90 (take out the Bangladesh match and his SR at his peak would have been 81 odd).
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Utter rubbish
Even in his purple patch his SR was below 90 (take out the Bangladesh match and his SR at his peak would have been 81 odd).
Michael Bevan would kill for a strike rate like that.
goaldrush
31 Jan 2004, 19:29
Did you see on the news that Damien Martyn could be in trouble for giving a cameraman the bird for taping him?
I think that the media and the ppl who are bagging him should stop.
Russian
31 Jan 2004, 19:32
Against India, New Zealand and Zimbabwe:
Damien Martyn: 370 runs at an average of 33.64, striking at 77.89
Michael Bevan: 429 runs at an average of 47.67, striking at 77.02
Add in the Bangladesh games and:
Damien Martyn: 463 runs at an average of 38.58, striking at 87.03
Michael Bevan: 526 runs at an average of 52.60, striking at 77.81
Russian
31 Jan 2004, 19:33
Originally posted by goaldrush
I think that the media and the ppl who are bagging him should stop. If that's not enough reason to bag him, what is? :p
Cooldude
31 Jan 2004, 20:05
Nah, nothing wrong with the bird, lots of cricketer does that, though I feel sorry for pup, who was with Martyn at the time, he seems to just looked away when Martyn raised that finger.
goaldrush
31 Jan 2004, 20:54
Australian cricket
Martyn's finger folly
Wisden Cricinfo staff
January 31, 2004
Damien Martyn has had a few problems on the pitch this season after a run of low scores, and now his troubles look set to continue for a different reason. Leaving the Australian team hotel at Melbourne on Thursday, he allegedly stuck one finger up at a cameraman, and is now likely to be reprimanded by Cricket Australia.
Martyn was reportedly seen holding his baseball cap with the middle finger raised, and the incident is sure to fuel more discontent from the media. Michael Brown, the board's head of operations, has requested to see the footage, but no formal investigation has yet been launched.
Martyn has been under increasing pressure after disappointing performances with the bat. However, he showed signs he had turned the corner with a quickfire 42 against Zimbabwe in the VB Series on Thursday before the match was rained off.
Adam Gilchrist, leading the side in place of Ricky Ponting, who is taking some time out, insisted he did not know any details of the incident, but backed Martyn as a valuable member of the squad. "He seems in pretty good spirits today and I do know he got a pretty well compiled 40 the other day at about a run a ball and that will improve his spirits," Gilchrist said. "There is no doubt that he has had a lot of focus on him and nobody likes that intense scrutiny."
© Wisden Cricinfo Ltd
Damien Martyn is a shy person.
Originally posted by goaldrush
Damien Martyn is a shy person.
Not too shy to flip the bird.
If you go back to before the Adelaide match (a nets session) you'll find Martyn vigorously rubbing one of his eyes with his extended middle finger (I only saw it on the news I think the day before, but it definitely happened).
I found it funny at the time. Funnier when I saw it again in the latest incident, and even funnier when it became an issue.
Russian
31 Jan 2004, 22:45
Originally posted by Port01
If you go back to before the Adelaide match (a nets session) you'll find Martyn vigorously rubbing one of his eyes with his extended middle finger (I only saw it on the news I think the day before, but it definitely happened).
I found it funny at the time. Funnier when I saw it again in the latest incident, and even funnier when it became an issue. Showed that on Sports Tonight tonight, no big deal really IMO but he should know better.
Martyn's finger folly
Wisden Cricinfo staff
January 31, 2004
Damien Martyn has had a few problems on the pitch this season after a run of low scores, and his troubles continued for a different reason when he was reprimanded by Ricky Ponting, the captain, for making a rude gesture in public.
Leaving the Australian team hotel at Melbourne yesterday, he stuck one finger up in front of a cameraman. Michael Brown, the board's head of operations, requested to see the footage, but he was satisfied the matter should be handled within the team.
"I acknowledge he didn't mean to cause offence," Ponting said. "But his action was inappropriate and not fitting of an Australian player and ambassador for the game."
Martyn was understandably keen to draw a line under what happened. "I am sorry for the offence caused by the gesture and apologise to the public who have seen it on TV," he said. "My action was in no way pre-meditated, nor did I did I mean for it to cause any harm."
Martyn has been under increasing pressure after disappointing performances with the bat. However, he showed signs he had turned the corner with a quickfire 42 against Zimbabwe in the VB Series on Thursday before the match was rained off.
Adam Gilchrist, currently leading the side in place of Ponting, who is taking some time out, insisted he did not know any details of the incident, and gave Martyn his backing. "He seems in pretty good spirits today and I do know he got a pretty well compiled 40 the other day at about a run a ball and that will improve his spirits," Gilchrist said. "There is no doubt that he has had a lot of focus on him and nobody likes that intense scrutiny."
© Wisden Cricinfo Ltd
So will he get the same treatment as Willaims?
goaldrush
1 Feb 2004, 07:03
Originally posted by Mog
So will he get the same treatment as Willaims? No he escaped punishment.
http://www.abc.net.au/cricket
goaldrush
1 Feb 2004, 07:05
Originally posted by Zeke
Not too shy to flip the bird. Next time he's in town and you meet him, I know for a fact that he won't talk to you.
goaldrush
1 Feb 2004, 07:07
Originally posted by Russian
Martyn's finger folly
Wisden Cricinfo staff
January 31, 2004
Damien Martyn has had a few problems on the pitch this season after a run of low scores, and his troubles continued for a different reason when he was reprimanded by Ricky Ponting, the captain, for making a rude gesture in public.
Leaving the Australian team hotel at Melbourne yesterday, he stuck one finger up in front of a cameraman. Michael Brown, the board's head of operations, requested to see the footage, but he was satisfied the matter should be handled within the team.
"I acknowledge he didn't mean to cause offence," Ponting said. "But his action was inappropriate and not fitting of an Australian player and ambassador for the game."
Martyn was understandably keen to draw a line under what happened. "I am sorry for the offence caused by the gesture and apologise to the public who have seen it on TV," he said. "My action was in no way pre-meditated, nor did I did I mean for it to cause any harm."
Martyn has been under increasing pressure after disappointing performances with the bat. However, he showed signs he had turned the corner with a quickfire 42 against Zimbabwe in the VB Series on Thursday before the match was rained off.
Adam Gilchrist, currently leading the side in place of Ponting, who is taking some time out, insisted he did not know any details of the incident, and gave Martyn his backing. "He seems in pretty good spirits today and I do know he got a pretty well compiled 40 the other day at about a run a ball and that will improve his spirits," Gilchrist said. "There is no doubt that he has had a lot of focus on him and nobody likes that intense scrutiny."
© Wisden Cricinfo Ltd I posted that article already.
about this sticking the finger up business, i think people are getting ever more precious if they jump on Martyn's back for that. I wonder how many people out there can say they haven't done the same thing when people are giving them the sh*ts?
Originally posted by goaldrush
I posted that article already. great, so please don't quote the entire article so there's now three of them to read.
Originally posted by goaldrush
Next time he's in town and you meet him, I know for a fact that he won't talk to you.
Fact?
If he won't talk to me, how will I meet him?
Originally posted by dan warna
don't know about that, mark waugh would give away his missus for a batting average like martyn's...
I would give Mark Waugh's missus away for a pie and a bottle of Coke.....
goaldrush
1 Feb 2004, 10:50
Originally posted by Zeke
Fact?
If he won't talk to me, how will I meet him? If you go to the airport next VB series and meet him, but I know for a fact that he would be too shy to talk to you.
swans_supporter
1 Feb 2004, 10:52
Martyn has never been able to get us runs in the test arena when we are in strife. Something other plyers are able to do. His top score of about 138 shows his inability to go on with it. He will get you 30-60 runs almost every game, but when you have blokes Laxman and Dravid getting tons consistently you dont want that from your number 4. There are the likes the Hussey's, B Hodge, M Clarke etc knocking up big scores consistantly, i know who i would like to have in my XI
Originally posted by Arden
I would give Mark Waugh's missus away for a pie and a bottle of Coke.....
:D
Originally posted by goaldrush
I posted that article already. If you bothered to read it, some of it is different to the version you posted. They updated it late last night.
CatManDo
1 Feb 2004, 12:51
Originally posted by Arden
I would give Mark Waugh's missus away for a pie and a bottle of Coke.....
:D
Pie AND a coke? Might be asking a bit much. ;)
dannyboy
1 Feb 2004, 15:39
Good on Martyn for giving the finger. The media are ****ing vultures anyway. Happy to see someone not worried about getting pulled into line from the powers that be over something so trivial.
Fall Out Boy
1 Feb 2004, 16:08
Originally posted by Arden
I would give Mark Waugh's missus away for a pie and a bottle of Coke.....
Utter brilliance.
slyolddog
1 Feb 2004, 17:54
Heard a rumour on radio that Mark Waugh has pensioned off his grandma girlfriend and is porking Jane Flemming
goaldrush
1 Feb 2004, 19:56
Originally posted by Russian
If you bothered to read it, some of it is different to the version you posted. They updated it late last night. I did and I found it was exactly the same.
I also found that it was a mistake by the webmaster who posted it. They forgot to change the link
Crooked Rain
1 Feb 2004, 22:03
Originally posted by Arden
I would give Mark Waugh's missus away for a pie and a bottle of Coke.....
Top marks for that one sport, but the coke would be sufficient. :)
Crooked Rain
1 Feb 2004, 22:04
Anything would be step up in class, even Mrs Benaud.
:D
Originally posted by CatManDo
:D
Pie AND a coke? Might be asking a bit much. ;)
OK, let's negotiate. Can I get a chewed up mintie??
dan warna
2 Feb 2004, 12:04
flemming got the flick from that pomme has been middle distance runner sir what his name with the gold medals and he's 'taking care of business' with tamsyn lewis who is about 25 years younger than him!