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swans_supporter
30 Jan 2004, 21:36
This question has probably been asked a lot before, but wtf is Hogg doing in this team. Why is Damien Martyn under pressure when this guy hasnt got runs in exactly 12 months?? His bowling is below average and is not world class. Why isnt there an extra bat or bowler in there to replace this hack. He struggles to keep his spot in his state team, yet he is chosen in the Aussie team??? The bloke is a joke. He may be a top bloke, but a very poor cricketer ( as shown by his running between wickets against Zimabwe!!) There must be someone better out there surely. Can these d**kheads we call selectors please begin to do their job....
Adelaide Hawk
30 Jan 2004, 21:42
Originally posted by swans_supporter
Can these d**kheads we call selectors please begin to do their job....
How many more wins do Australia have to have before you consider the selectors "successful"?
couldnt agree more mate, hogg needs to do something for Australia and fast to save his international career
selectors need to wake up and dispose of this policy of keeping faith in players who have done a job in the past, so what?? didnt stop them from dropping dean jones, although that was 10-11 years ago and highly irrelevant
look to the future, blood some deserving youth
pav_is_god
30 Jan 2004, 21:51
Originally posted by swans_supporter
as shown by his running between wickets against Zimabwe
I think you should credit Streak's amazing fielding effort rather than the poor running of Hogg. I'm pretty sure the other run outs were worse displays of running btw the wickets than Hoggy's effort.
But, yes he needs to do something and do something quick, preferably in the bowling department. However, we all have to remember that he's no Warne or MacGill, so he ain't gonna rip through an entire middle order, just pitching in with 2 or so wickets. As for batting, he suffers from the syndrome of other lower order batsmen, the need for quick runs.
Do something quick Hoggy, or they're gonna convince Warney to come back to ODIs (just what we need, another Grandad:rolleyes: )
If there is a thorougly undeserving Australian representative cricketer, it would have to be George. He's done quite well for a bloke who struggles to hold down his state spot.
Milenko
30 Jan 2004, 22:54
A. He's not in there as a batsman. He's picked as a spinner and world-class fieldsman who "bats a bit".
B. His average game of 1 or 2 for 40 odd is a damn sight better than most one-day bowlers going around.
C. Um, which countries have taken to him apart from India? Methinks not many. Lankans and Poms couldnt read him last summer, Kiwis struggled, Pakis wouldn't have a clue.
D. He is West Australian and therefore immune from the selector's wrath. Hail the great man George Bradley! Hail!
red+black
30 Jan 2004, 23:27
just checked economy rate stats for GBH:
total innings: 41
ER > 6.11 - one time
ER > 6.00 - three times
ER > 5.50 - four times
ER > 5.00 - seven times
the six most expensive returns were 02/03, so quite recent.
Milenko
31 Jan 2004, 00:56
So 26 out of 41 times he has bowled with an economy rate of less than 5 an over.
And in an era of regular 300+ scores he has gone for less than 6 an over 37 out of 41 times.
Mmmmmm, damning statistics those.
Sack him now. :rolleyes:
EssJayW
31 Jan 2004, 09:54
Originally posted by grayza
selectors need to wake up and dispose of this policy of keeping faith in players who have done a job in the past, so what?? didnt stop them from dropping dean jones, although that was 10-11 years ago and highly irrelevant
That is quite funny. I am sure Boon and Border were playing when Jones was dropped. Let me guess which state you are from.
Fall Out Boy
31 Jan 2004, 10:40
Originally posted by Milenko
B. His average game of 1 or 2 for 40 odd is a damn sight better than most one-day bowlers going around.
Absolute rubbish, on both counts.
A guy who averages "1 or 2 for 40 odd" does not have a bowling average as poor as Hogg's.
vicpride99
31 Jan 2004, 13:01
Yep Hogg is a shocka. I would play Harvey instead of Hogg from now on. Hogg has an average of 35 and that isn't good enough. Symonds could do a better job.
Hogg just doesn't take enough wickets. With Symonds' bowling improved and the way we can get 10 overs out of him and Clarke, we just don't need him in the starting XI anymore. Add Katich and you've got 3 batting all-rounders in the current squad who Punter can look to get 10-15 overs out of.
He's in his 30s now and may stick around for a while yet, but probably as a squad member who plays only occasionally - when they're rotating the bowlers or it's a turning pitch.
If Warney's test comeback is successful, hopefully he comes out of one-day retirement because we need a strike spinner more than a spin-bowling all-rounder.
CatManDo
31 Jan 2004, 14:15
Originally posted by swans_supporter
This question has probably been asked a lot before, but wtf is Hogg doing in this team. Why is Damien Martyn under pressure when this guy hasnt got runs in exactly 12 months?? His bowling is below average and is not world class. Why isnt there an extra bat or bowler in there to replace this hack. He struggles to keep his spot in his state team, yet he is chosen in the Aussie team??? The bloke is a joke. He may be a top bloke, but a very poor cricketer ( as shown by his running between wickets against Zimabwe!!) There must be someone better out there surely. Can these d**kheads we call selectors please begin to do their job....
You're being amazingly ignorant. I dont know why Hogg is such a target for hatred. The fact he's from WA would probably go some way to explaining it.
First of all, consider the circumstances under which Hogg has been selected, and the reasons why he is valuable to the side.
Secondly, before blindly criticisng a players performance, get a dose of reality. For such a 'joke' of a cricketer, he has quite a decent one day record.
He is one of the nations best fieldsmen. His bowling economy rate (4.24) is a dam site better than the competitors to his spot: Harvey (4.71) and Symonds (4.94). Its even just below Warne's economy rate. His batting average is better than Harvey, and I would choose Hogg to bat out the overs over Harvey any day. His bowling average is the worst of the three (34 compared to Symonds 33 and Harvey 30), but his average of basically one wicket per match is quite good when coupled with his good economy rate.
Personally I think his efforts have been great, and his world cup form when called up to replace Warne was solid.
The fact that there was some mild speculation over his place in the Warriors Pura Cup team (read: not the ING team) means ***** all. You're cluching at straws to bring that up as a reason why he shouldnt be in the team.
He will never be a superstar, but he adds tremendous value to the team. So I think you should extract your head from arse next time before laying such undeserving criticism.
And your comments on the selectors only serve to verify your limited brain capacity as far as Im concerned.
Crooked Rain
31 Jan 2004, 15:28
Originally posted by Zeke
If there is a thorougly undeserving Australian representative cricketer, it would have to be George. He's done quite well for a bloke who struggles to hold down his state spot.
It just proves once again that state cricket is of a higher quality than some international stuff - in fact a lot of it. Who knows? A bloke like Scott Prestwidge could have been an Aussie star against some of these sides like the Windies and Zimbos if given a go.
cr.
swans_supporter
31 Jan 2004, 16:34
Hogg is a joke. His bowling is average and his batting is an absolute disgrace. He seems to have forgotten how to hold a bat. His fielding doest stand out, but he is eager in the field. if you were to name our best 14 players in the country, would he be there??
CatManDo
31 Jan 2004, 17:27
Originally posted by swans_supporter
Hogg is a joke. His bowling is average and his batting is an absolute disgrace. He seems to have forgotten how to hold a bat. His fielding doest stand out, but he is eager in the field. if you were to name our best 14 players in the country, would he be there??
Its not that simple, surely you can work that out.
The best 14 fit players at the moment in Australia are probably all batsmen - does that mean we dont pick any bowlers?
dr nick
31 Jan 2004, 17:33
Originally posted by CatManDo
Its not that simple, surely you can work that out.
The best 14 fit players at the moment in Australia are probably all batsmen - does that mean we dont pick any bowlers? he'd probably struggle to make the top 14 bowlers.
Originally posted by nicko18
he'd probably struggle to make the top 14 bowlers.
There's no better fit, one day spinner that's not suspended.
And if anyone brings up Hauritz or Whte i'm going to spew.
dr nick
31 Jan 2004, 18:12
Originally posted by Rob
There's no better fit, one day spinner that's not suspended.
And if anyone brings up Hauritz or Whte i'm going to spew. fair point i guess.
Originally posted by Rob
There's no better fit, one day spinner that's not suspended.
And if anyone brings up Hauritz or Whte i'm going to spew.
Lehmann? ;)
37 wickets at 28. Strike rate of 35.
Econ rate is a little high at 4.79 though.
His batting is a little better than Hogg's.
2700 runs at a shade under 40, strike rate almost 82.
Yeah, im being facetious when it comes to him being selected as a spinner ;)
(does have 122 wickets at 25 in domestic ODI's though ;))
swans_supporter
31 Jan 2004, 19:17
His batting is a little better than Hogg's
A little???? The bloke one of our worst bats there. I might seem harsh, but the fact that this bloke is playing international cricket amazes me, not up to the standards of ODI. katich is far better value.
Go_Doggies
31 Jan 2004, 20:08
Hoggy isnt all that bad. If warne doesnt pull up fit for Sri Lanka, i dont know what'll happen... but for the moment, Hogg is doing the job... its just that India have his number.
wagstaff
31 Jan 2004, 20:27
I think part of the reason Australia have kept him in the one-day squad is that they fear he would've been dropped from the WA state side had he been returned there.
So even though he's only played 2 of the 7 matches, he's been kept on.
Having said that, he hasn't bowled too badly in the 2 matches he played so far - he has been fairly tight and has severly troubled Ervine, Zimbabwe's best bat in the series.
But they seem reluctant to play him against India, perhaps fearing he might be smashed around the park. Tomorrow they'll have to bite the bullet and how he'll performs will decide whether he has a role to play in the finals.
wagstaff
31 Jan 2004, 20:56
Just checked some stats and Hogg actually has the best economy rate of any bowler in this one-day series (only bowler to go for less then 4 an over).
So he isn't doing too bad.
Just checked some stats and Hogg actually has the best economy rate of any bowler in this one-day series (only bowler to go for less then 4 an over).
This is true, but he's only played against Zimbabwe. The Indians will take to him like ducks to water.
I think part of the reason Australia have kept him in the one-day squad is that they fear he would've been dropped from the WA state side had he been returned there.
Totally irrelevant. As covered previously, he is one of the first picked in the ING Cup for WA.
A little???? The bloke one of our worst bats there. I might seem harsh, but the fact that this bloke is playing international cricket amazes me, not up to the standards of ODI. katich is far better value.
Okay look mate the guy isn't picked as a batsman. He bats around 8 or 9 so what exactly are you expecting of him? And if you reckon he's not up to ODI standards then think back to his 71 not out in the second final at the MCG last year. Case closed. Goodnight.
Originally posted by Port01
Lehmann? ;)
37 wickets at 28. Strike rate of 35.
Econ rate is a little high at 4.79 though.
His batting is a little better than Hogg's.
2700 runs at a shade under 40, strike rate almost 82.
Yeah, im being facetious when it comes to him being selected as a spinner ;)
(does have 122 wickets at 25 in domestic ODI's though ;))
'fit' being the operative word here.