Should O/S players be banned from State cricket?

[dan warna]

I think in a time when we are looking for the the next gen, guys like flower et al are taking up places in the state sides.

I think when it starts it could end up like the mess brit cricket is in.

[dr nick]

Originally posted by dan warna
I think in a time when we are looking for the the next gen, guys like flower et al are taking up places in the state sides.

I think when it starts it could end up like the mess brit cricket is in. I think there should be a maximum of 1 per side. It elevates interest in domestic cricket and improves the standard, but you do need a balance between local talent and standard of competition.

[Fall Out Boy]

There shouldn't be any allowed.

Have a look at what international players has done to the English County system.

Our standard is fine, guys like Flower, at the age of 35, don't raise the bar anyway.

[dr nick]

i think its more the number of teams is what cripples English cricket. Test matches are such a massive step up due to the dilute talent spread across the counties. Having some internationals improves their cause IMO.

[dr nick]

Actually i wouldnt mind seeing a certain proportion having to be originally from the state they represent (maybe 8 players), just to keep that tribalism. The last thing i want to eventually happen is a situation where most of the team comes from outside, sort of defeats the purpose of supporting your state, might as well be following a logo.

[dan warna]

yeah

whats the inspiration to be the best in your county, when the top two paid players are foreigners.

if the teams budget for payment is say 2M, 600k goes to say lehmann and Kallis, that means the brit players are treated as second class citizens
(while this GREAT for aussie cricketers, its sucks if your a pomme)

I say roll on the brit system, but keep ours honest

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by nicko18
i think its more the number of teams is what cripples English cricket. Test matches are such a massive step up due to the dilute talent spread across the counties. Having some internationals improves their cause IMO.

No doubt the number of teams causes problems, but so do the international players.

There is so much money in County Cricket, so the Counties are desperate for success, so much so that they refuse to play kids, instead playing old men and internationals.

It is crippling the English game.

[goaldrush]

No way.

I think that O/S players actually get more bums in seats in state cricket.

If you took away the O/S players you will simply take away the crowd.

[bluechampion]

I think the limit of one-per-state (if they can be bothered having any) is a good idea.

Far from taking the place of a youngster, the international player can pass on his wisdom and experience to the youngsters in the squad. I seem to remember a story about Imran Khan teaching Mike Whitney to bowl reverse swing when he played for NSW (not that it helped...).

I'm sure Andy Flower has passed on a few tips to the SA batsmen and keepers that have made them better cricketers (bad example?).

I have no qualms with our system, but i do believe that the two-players per side rule in England is flawed.

[dan warna]

Are you insane?

who in Aus goes to see foreigners esp zimmers playing domestic cricket?

sure if you had Viv richards for one season, at 35 at the end of his career, you might get a few dozen more patrons, but really?

Maybe in britain where the quality of manhood is about the same as whipped cream, and their teams so emaciated that you need some windians, boks and aussies to improve the stock you might get a few extra seats, but in AUs?

who would pay to see at the first class level a o/s player?

also by their standard they don't offer much at their age.

[dan warna]

not sure about wisdom

aussie cricketers are by the most part proffessionals

when deano went to coach one of their sides a few years ago, they rebelled because they couldn't keep pace with his fitness regime.

look at bevo, martyn, hayden, punting etc even bing mcgrath etc, they are pure athletes as well as cricketers.

no way 1/2 the brits or others could keep pace with them off the field.

Aussies are in demand around the world because WE are now the best, fitter, stronger, and more proffessional on average.

[Adrian Shelton]

Shield sides haven't been that big on imports for a while. I think David Millns was the last one before Flower. Before that i cant think of one in the 90's besides Hick.

[CatManDo]

Yeah, imports have been few and far between.

I have no problem though with a champion player coming here for a season or two.

Alan Mullally is one thing, but if a guy like Shaun Pollock wanted to play a couple of seasons on the WACA at the end of his career, as long as he can still roll the arm over, we'd be silly not to give him the chance. Benefits all round. One player only though.

[Port01]

Imports do as much for developing youth as the Waughs etc playing shield cricket does.

For a completely rudderless team like SA without Boof, it was probably worth a gamble.

I don't think they should be banned, it isn't like we have a plague of them.

[corporal]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky

Have a look at what international players has done to the English County system.



What has it done? English pie chuckers have to bowl against world class batsmen and English batsmen have to bat against quality bowlers

This would have to have some benefit then just having the hacks playing the hacks

And with the argument that oversea's imports cost to much, the Problem in English cricket is that there youngsters are signed up on huge contracts before they have achieved anything, at least established players have earnt their dollars/pounds.

Saying that we have the best domestic competition in the world and if you look at the quality players not able to get into the test side then I don't think you could fit to many oversea's players into most domestic sides.

[Jars458]

One per team is a good way to go I think and certainly there are very few players in Australia anyway.

Guys like Goodwin and White used to live here anyway.

Another point is that the only guys good enough to play in the Pura Cup are pretty much establised internation cricketers who have no time to do so due to international duty.

Some international players play grade cricket because they can't make the Pura cup sides in any case.

[The invisible mullet]

I don't think its a problem. There's hardly a plague of them about and Goodwin and Flower are both highly entertaining players.

[Mog]

I think letting Zimbabweans play in our domestic sides is probably a good idea, given the ****ty situation back home. Gives them a chance to maintain some skill and then, if things get better back home, they can go back and share what they've learned, and slot right into a national side. Which I suppose might make some a bit jealous...

[mjm28]

Don't see what the problem is here, as mentioned a few times already we don't have a huge representation of o/s players. I think it's good for our domestic comp, and if more players wanted to come here and play, then let em, just as long as they are not all playing for the same state. Imagine the NSW side if both Brett Lee and Shoiab Akhtar were bowling in tandem (mind you they have lost some pace), it would still be a good spectical.

[Black Thunder]

overseas players in the domestic competitions is not a bad thing for the competition, just as long as there is a limite of one per team.

We already have a very strong competition so the need for overseas players to strengthen it is not there.

but at the same time if we only had quality overseas cricketers, which Andy Flower and Murray Goodwin are, than it can only incresae the standard.

I've always thought for the developement of the international game, each FC team from the test playing nations should be given a non-test nation for which is to given money from the ICC to develop. by that they would be given money to bring out 3-4 players from that nation to play in their local competition, and possibly in their FC team if they are good enough.

[Bomber Spirit]

A lot of Australian players have benefitted by playing county cricket in England; it would be a bit hypocritical for Australia to ban overseas players from getting similar benefits in our domestic cricket.

[dan warna]

My point being, look at the basket case their competition has become with no domestic talent being fostered rather all their money going to pay for O/S players.

they still have a pool of 300 plus odd players to choose from.

we have a pool of 6*say 13 players per state which is less than a 100 players, realistically its probably a pool of about 50 players.

If the brits are stupid so be it, but we really don't want our pura cup to be a crapola cup?

[dr nick]

Originally posted by mjm28
Imagine the NSW side if both Brett Lee and Shoiab Akhtar were bowling in tandem . Forget NSW, they both played for mosman last year in the sydney grade comp. Pretty good opening attack for a grade cricket match.