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I actually have him equal 20th as well.
Just noticed the AFL has Joel Bowden on 143 which is very, very odd (I have 136). Can only think they're including (some) pre-season games, but I still don't understand how they could've arrived at this figure.
That's a very difficult one to check. Might have a go at it later in the week if I have time.
Observed in round 3 2014.
Scores are trending back to before a free kick for out of bounds on the full was re-introduced.
Carlton have had 5 worse starts to a season and Adelaide haven’t had worse.
Dockers drop like no team has since 1901.
Tigers break their near miss record.
Swans and Crows produced a score line only seen twice before and not since WWII.
The team with the lowest percentage of wins after trailing at 1/2 time since its been in the competition, come from behind at 1/2 time to defeat the same opponent for the 7th time after trailing at the main break.
Cats finally find success with kicking 3 goals each quarter.
Giants have highest percentage from last quarter results.
Demons reference the dismal 1919 and 1981-2 periods.
10 points ahead no reason for confidence in Power.
Blues do what the never did in their first 117.
Bombers have a chance to do to Blues what the did to them in 1901.
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Scores are trending back to before a free kick for out of bounds on the full was re-introduced.
Carlton have had 5 worse starts to a season and Adelaide haven’t had worse.
Dockers drop like no team has since 1901.
Tigers break their near miss record.
Swans and Crows produced a score line only seen twice before and not since WWII.
The team with the lowest percentage of wins after trailing at 1/2 time since its been in the competition, come from behind at 1/2 time to defeat the same opponent for the 7th time after trailing at the main break.
Cats finally find success with kicking 3 goals each quarter.
Giants have highest percentage from last quarter results.
Demons reference the dismal 1919 and 1981-2 periods.
10 points ahead no reason for confidence in Power.
Blues do what the never did in their first 117.
Bombers have a chance to do to Blues what the did to them in 1901.
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I presume you've ignored Ben Ross (who lost his last 8 games with North) simply because he's on the Rookie List?
Apart from Collingwood, Essendon, Melbourne and Fitzroy after Round 1, 1897...
It has happened quite a few times, usually multiple times at the same club in a single season. The most recent was Essendon in 2001 prior to rounds 2, 3, 16, 17 & 22.
My club "lists" are taken from the defunct AFL historical stats pages, i.e. before the early 80's, they contain only the players who played senior footy that year. Bearing this definition in mind, it has happened previously at Hawthorn prior to
1972 R4
1975 R15-18
1992 R2
The only clubs it hasn't happened at are Freo, Gold Coast, GWS, Port and the Bulldogs (and University).
NB All the above use your definition of "last game for the club was a win".
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As on Sunday night, Mick Malthouse has the most H&A losses as a coach, passing Kevin Sheedy.
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/coaches_idx.html
Of all Carlton coaches that have coached 20 games or more, only Brittain, Pagan and Malthouse have a win% < 50%.
Mick Malthouse's coaching record:
- most: H&A losses, finals wins, total losses
- equal most: finals draws
- Round 20, 2014: most H&A games
- Round 4, 2015: most total games*
* assumes Carlton don't play finals this year, that Malthouse doesn't quit or get sacked
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/coaches_idx.html
Of all Carlton coaches that have coached 20 games or more, only Brittain, Pagan and Malthouse have a win% < 50%.
Mick Malthouse's coaching record:
- most: H&A losses, finals wins, total losses
- equal most: finals draws
- Round 20, 2014: most H&A games
- Round 4, 2015: most total games*
* assumes Carlton don't play finals this year, that Malthouse doesn't quit or get sacked
Fewest players common to consecutive matches between clubs:
Players|C1|C2|M1|M2
\6|Es|Me|1915 R17|1919 R9
\7|Ge|St|1941 R13|1944 R8
\8|Ge|Me|1941 R14|1944 R4
\9|Ge|Me|1915 R12|1919 R8
\10|Me|Ri|1915 R10|1919 R3
\10|Me|Sy|1915 R16|1919 R2
\10|Ca|St|1924 R12|1925 R10
\10|Ha|NM|1928 R13|1929 R10
\10|Co|Ge|1941 R11|1944 R9
\10|Ge|Ha|1941 R15|1944 R3Matches in same season:
Players|C1|C2|M1|M2
\15|St|Fi|1942 R1|1942 R12
\16|Es|St|1909 R1|1909 R10
\16|Es|St|1911 R7|1911 R16
\16|Ge|NM|1929 R1|1929 R12
\16|NM|Sy|1940 R6|1940 R17
\17|Me|St|1898 R8|1898 RR
\17|Ca|St|1911 R6|1911 R15
\17|Es|Ri|1919 R1|1919 R10
\17|Me|Ri|1919 R3|1919 R12
\17|Ge|St|1919 R5|1919 R14
\17|Ha|St|1927 R1|1927 R12
\17|Ha|NM|1927 R4|1927 R15
\17|Ca|Me|1945 R1|1945 R12
\17|NM|Ri|1947 R1|1947 R12Last 20 years:
Players|C1|C2|M1|M1
\21|Fr|Me|1996 R5|1996 R20
\22|Fr|St|2013 R15|2013 R23
\23|Ad|St|1995 R3|1995 R18
\23|Es|WC|1996 R3|1996 R18
\23|Fr|WB|2011 R5|2011 R24
\23|GC|GWS|2012 R7|2012 R20
\24|Co|Ri|1998 R4|1998 R19
\24|Br|St|1998 R7|1998 R22
\6|Es|Me|1915 R17|1919 R9
\7|Ge|St|1941 R13|1944 R8
\8|Ge|Me|1941 R14|1944 R4
\9|Ge|Me|1915 R12|1919 R8
\10|Me|Ri|1915 R10|1919 R3
\10|Me|Sy|1915 R16|1919 R2
\10|Ca|St|1924 R12|1925 R10
\10|Ha|NM|1928 R13|1929 R10
\10|Co|Ge|1941 R11|1944 R9
\10|Ge|Ha|1941 R15|1944 R3
\15|St|Fi|1942 R1|1942 R12
\16|Es|St|1909 R1|1909 R10
\16|Es|St|1911 R7|1911 R16
\16|Ge|NM|1929 R1|1929 R12
\16|NM|Sy|1940 R6|1940 R17
\17|Me|St|1898 R8|1898 RR
\17|Ca|St|1911 R6|1911 R15
\17|Es|Ri|1919 R1|1919 R10
\17|Me|Ri|1919 R3|1919 R12
\17|Ge|St|1919 R5|1919 R14
\17|Ha|St|1927 R1|1927 R12
\17|Ha|NM|1927 R4|1927 R15
\17|Ca|Me|1945 R1|1945 R12
\17|NM|Ri|1947 R1|1947 R12
\21|Fr|Me|1996 R5|1996 R20
\22|Fr|St|2013 R15|2013 R23
\23|Ad|St|1995 R3|1995 R18
\23|Es|WC|1996 R3|1996 R18
\23|Fr|WB|2011 R5|2011 R24
\23|GC|GWS|2012 R7|2012 R20
\24|Co|Ri|1998 R4|1998 R19
\24|Br|St|1998 R7|1998 R22
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Melbourne has won their most recent game against just 3 sides: University, Fitzroy, and as of today, Carlton.
http://afltables.com/afl/teams/melbourne/last20.html#o3
http://afltables.com/afl/teams/melbourne/last20.html#o3
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Saturday Afternoon matches at the MCG in 2014
2:10pm - 1 ..... 1:45pm - 6 ..... 1:40pm - 2
Number of those between 2 of CAR, COL, ESS, HAW, GEE, RCH - 1 (Rd 14: HAW v COL, MCG 2:10pm)
In 2013, there were 3 such fixtures. In 2012 there were 4.
2:10pm - 1 ..... 1:45pm - 6 ..... 1:40pm - 2
Number of those between 2 of CAR, COL, ESS, HAW, GEE, RCH - 1 (Rd 14: HAW v COL, MCG 2:10pm)
In 2013, there were 3 such fixtures. In 2012 there were 4.
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Teams that have yet to lose in a given round:
Hawthorn: Round 23 (5-0), Round 24 (4-0)
St Kilda: Round 23 (6-0), Round 24 (3-0)
Geelong: Round 24 (4-0)
GWS: Round 19 (2-0)
[Round 19 this year v Richmond ]
Hawthorn: Round 23 (5-0), Round 24 (4-0)
St Kilda: Round 23 (6-0), Round 24 (3-0)
Geelong: Round 24 (4-0)
GWS: Round 19 (2-0)
[Round 19 this year v Richmond ]
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Brisbane is the first club ever to lose its opening 16 quarters of a season.
At the end of the home and away games for 1938, the final four was Carlton (14 wins, 4 losses), Geelong (13-5), Footscray (13-5) and Collingwood (12-6).
In the Reserves it was the same four teams: Collingwood (16-2), Geelong (15-2-1), Carlton (15-3) and Footscray (13-5).
In both instances the top teams were one win clear of the second team. The second and third teams in both grades had the same number of wins. Geelong finished second on both ladders and Footscray had a 13-5 win/loss record in both ladders.
In the seniors Melbourne finished fifth and Richmond finished sixth, whilst in the reserves Richmond were fifth and Melbourne sixth. In both grades, Essendon finished seventh.
For the record, the remaining teams finished:
St. Kilda, North Melbourne, Fitzroy, Hawthorn, South Melbourne (seniors)
Fitzroy, South Melbourne, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, St. Kilda (reserves)
Both wooden spooners won only two games.
In the Reserves it was the same four teams: Collingwood (16-2), Geelong (15-2-1), Carlton (15-3) and Footscray (13-5).
In both instances the top teams were one win clear of the second team. The second and third teams in both grades had the same number of wins. Geelong finished second on both ladders and Footscray had a 13-5 win/loss record in both ladders.
In the seniors Melbourne finished fifth and Richmond finished sixth, whilst in the reserves Richmond were fifth and Melbourne sixth. In both grades, Essendon finished seventh.
For the record, the remaining teams finished:
St. Kilda, North Melbourne, Fitzroy, Hawthorn, South Melbourne (seniors)
Fitzroy, South Melbourne, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, St. Kilda (reserves)
Both wooden spooners won only two games.
The two current players with the highest win percentage (50+ games) face off this weekend - Travis Varcoe (85.71%) and Isaac Smith (84.85%).
If Geelong wins, Varcoe retains his title as the player with the highest win percentage.
If Hawthorn wins, Smith becomes the player with the highest win percentage.
The two current players with the lowest win percentage (50+ games) face off this weekend - Jeremy Howe (20.00%) and Matthew Warnock (20.83%)
If Melbourne wins, Warnock becomes the player with the lowest win percentage.
If Gold Coast wins, Howe retains his title as the player with the lowest win percentage.
If Geelong wins, Varcoe retains his title as the player with the highest win percentage.
If Hawthorn wins, Smith becomes the player with the highest win percentage.
The two current players with the lowest win percentage (50+ games) face off this weekend - Jeremy Howe (20.00%) and Matthew Warnock (20.83%)
If Melbourne wins, Warnock becomes the player with the lowest win percentage.
If Gold Coast wins, Howe retains his title as the player with the lowest win percentage.
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In 1960, John F Kennedy defeated Richard Nixon for the United States Presidency, the Summer Olympics were held in Rome and numerous African nations obtained independence from the European countries that colonized them. This year in the VFL saw Melbourne continue its dominance of the competition, thrashing Collingwood in the Grand Final, while Richmond languished at the bottom of the ladder, the Tigers managing only 2 wins and 2 draws for the season.
When the 1960s came to a close in 1969, Richard Nixon was sworn into the office of President, man walked on the Moon and Woodstock was held in New York State. And at the close of the decade, the Demons and Tigers had swapped places, with Richmond defeating Carlton to win the premiership, while Melbourne finished the 1969 season last by a long way with just 3 wins.
While no other wooden-spooner in the first year of a decade has taken out the premiership in the last year of the same decade, two other teams have emulated the Demons. The first was Richmond themselves, which destroyed Collingwood in the 1980 Grand Final, but by 1989 were last on the ladder, and by the end of this long, dark, dismal season the Tigers were nothing more than match practice for the stronger teams in the league.
Collingwood, which presumably had tired of starting each decade with a humiliating Grand Final loss (they famously surrendered a 44-point half time lead to lose to Carlton in 1970, in the middle of the thrashings from Melbourne and Richmond) put things right with a demolition of Essendon in the 1990 Grand Final. Unfortunately, the 1990 premiers did not learn from the mistakes of the Demons and Tigers, and by 1999 the Magpies were wooden spooners.
Teams to have won premierships and wooden spoons within the same decade include:
1890s: None
1900s: Melbourne Premiers 1900, Last 1905 & 1906; Essendon Premiers 1901, Last 1907; South Melbourne Premiers 1909, Last 1903.
1910s: Essendon Premiers 1911 & 1912, Last 1918; Fitzroy Premiers 1913 & 1916, Last 1916
1920s: Essendon Premiers 1923 & 1924, Last 1921; Melbourne Premiers 1926, Last 1923
1930s: South Melbourne Premiers 1933, Last 1938 & 1939
1940s: None
1950s: Geelong Premiers 1951 & 1952, Last 1957 & 1958; Footscray Premiers 1954, Last 1959; Melbourne Premiers 1955, 1956, 1957, 1959, Last 1951
1960s: Melbourne Premiers 1960 & 1964, Last 1969; Hawthorn Premiers 1961, Last 1965; Richmond Premiers 1967 & 1969, Last 1960
1970s: North Melbourne Premiers 1975 & 1977, Last 1970 & 1972
1980s: Richmond Premiers 1980, Last 1987 & 1989
1990s: Collingwood Premiers 1990, Last 1999
2000s: None
2010s: None to date
When the 1960s came to a close in 1969, Richard Nixon was sworn into the office of President, man walked on the Moon and Woodstock was held in New York State. And at the close of the decade, the Demons and Tigers had swapped places, with Richmond defeating Carlton to win the premiership, while Melbourne finished the 1969 season last by a long way with just 3 wins.
While no other wooden-spooner in the first year of a decade has taken out the premiership in the last year of the same decade, two other teams have emulated the Demons. The first was Richmond themselves, which destroyed Collingwood in the 1980 Grand Final, but by 1989 were last on the ladder, and by the end of this long, dark, dismal season the Tigers were nothing more than match practice for the stronger teams in the league.
Collingwood, which presumably had tired of starting each decade with a humiliating Grand Final loss (they famously surrendered a 44-point half time lead to lose to Carlton in 1970, in the middle of the thrashings from Melbourne and Richmond) put things right with a demolition of Essendon in the 1990 Grand Final. Unfortunately, the 1990 premiers did not learn from the mistakes of the Demons and Tigers, and by 1999 the Magpies were wooden spooners.
Teams to have won premierships and wooden spoons within the same decade include:
1890s: None
1900s: Melbourne Premiers 1900, Last 1905 & 1906; Essendon Premiers 1901, Last 1907; South Melbourne Premiers 1909, Last 1903.
1910s: Essendon Premiers 1911 & 1912, Last 1918; Fitzroy Premiers 1913 & 1916, Last 1916
1920s: Essendon Premiers 1923 & 1924, Last 1921; Melbourne Premiers 1926, Last 1923
1930s: South Melbourne Premiers 1933, Last 1938 & 1939
1940s: None
1950s: Geelong Premiers 1951 & 1952, Last 1957 & 1958; Footscray Premiers 1954, Last 1959; Melbourne Premiers 1955, 1956, 1957, 1959, Last 1951
1960s: Melbourne Premiers 1960 & 1964, Last 1969; Hawthorn Premiers 1961, Last 1965; Richmond Premiers 1967 & 1969, Last 1960
1970s: North Melbourne Premiers 1975 & 1977, Last 1970 & 1972
1980s: Richmond Premiers 1980, Last 1987 & 1989
1990s: Collingwood Premiers 1990, Last 1999
2000s: None
2010s: None to date
Observed in Round 5 2014.
Pre ’69 scoring rates still featuring.
Lions equal least quarters won record while Cats equalled most quarters won record.
Tigers have (gift of) the Gab(ba).
1928 revisits the Shinboners.
Swans and Dockers in a 1 in 577 event.
Port most successful visitor to the sand pile.
Eagles’ visitors find the right gap between the posts nearly 10% more often.
Saints overcome their biggest deficit with 2 more scoring shots.
Crows give Giants no quarter 12 times in a row.
Giants pip one of Fitzroy’s last records.
Two ‘firsts’ for the Suns.
Demons smallest in 42.
Dogs and Blues continue level pegging.
Cats now lead Hawks in one/two encounters.
Hawks best start to a season now their 8th.
Detail and more: Click here.
Pre ’69 scoring rates still featuring.
Lions equal least quarters won record while Cats equalled most quarters won record.
Tigers have (gift of) the Gab(ba).
1928 revisits the Shinboners.
Swans and Dockers in a 1 in 577 event.
Port most successful visitor to the sand pile.
Eagles’ visitors find the right gap between the posts nearly 10% more often.
Saints overcome their biggest deficit with 2 more scoring shots.
Crows give Giants no quarter 12 times in a row.
Giants pip one of Fitzroy’s last records.
Two ‘firsts’ for the Suns.
Demons smallest in 42.
Dogs and Blues continue level pegging.
Cats now lead Hawks in one/two encounters.
Hawks best start to a season now their 8th.
Detail and more: Click here.
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Due to Geelong having three Norm Smith Medallists in 2007, 2009 and 2011, the 2012 season saw five instances of four Norm Smith Medallists being involved in one game, with Geelong naturally providing three.
Round 5, vs. Brisbane Lions: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Simon Black
Round 8, vs. Collingwood: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Scott Pendlebury
Round 11, vs. Carlton: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Chris Judd
Round 19, vs. Hawthorn: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Luke Hodge
Round 21, vs. St. Kilda: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Lenny Hayes
Prior to this, there had been five such instances in the previous 33 seasons since the Norm Smith Medal was introduced.
Round 1, 1983, Carlton vs. Richmond: Kevin Bartlett, Bruce Doull, Wayne Harmes and Maurice Rioli
Round 12, 1983, Richmond vs. Carlton: Kevin Bartlett, Bruce Doull, Wayne Harmes and Maurice Rioli
Round 17, 1986, Essendon vs. Carlton: Bruce Doull, Billy Duckworth, Wayne Harmes, and Simon Madden
Round 1, 2000, North Melbourne vs. West Coast: Glenn Archer, Shannon Grant, Dean Kemp and Peter Matera
Round 19, 2007, North Melbourne vs. West Coast: Glenn Archer, Andrew Embley, Shannon Grant and Chris Judd
There were three such instances in 2013, again with Geelong providing three of the medallists:
Round 3, vs. Carlton: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Chris Judd
Round 4, vs. Sydney: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Ryan O'Keefe
Round 22, vs. Sydney: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Ryan O'Keefe
Round 5, vs. Brisbane Lions: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Simon Black
Round 8, vs. Collingwood: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Scott Pendlebury
Round 11, vs. Carlton: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Chris Judd
Round 19, vs. Hawthorn: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Luke Hodge
Round 21, vs. St. Kilda: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Lenny Hayes
Prior to this, there had been five such instances in the previous 33 seasons since the Norm Smith Medal was introduced.
Round 1, 1983, Carlton vs. Richmond: Kevin Bartlett, Bruce Doull, Wayne Harmes and Maurice Rioli
Round 12, 1983, Richmond vs. Carlton: Kevin Bartlett, Bruce Doull, Wayne Harmes and Maurice Rioli
Round 17, 1986, Essendon vs. Carlton: Bruce Doull, Billy Duckworth, Wayne Harmes, and Simon Madden
Round 1, 2000, North Melbourne vs. West Coast: Glenn Archer, Shannon Grant, Dean Kemp and Peter Matera
Round 19, 2007, North Melbourne vs. West Coast: Glenn Archer, Andrew Embley, Shannon Grant and Chris Judd
There were three such instances in 2013, again with Geelong providing three of the medallists:
Round 3, vs. Carlton: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Chris Judd
Round 4, vs. Sydney: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Ryan O'Keefe
Round 22, vs. Sydney: Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Steve Johnson and Ryan O'Keefe
This game also featured two future winners in Byron Pickett and Andrew Embley. Two other matches featured six NS winners:
2002 R7 - Archer, Embley, Grant, Judd, Matera, Pickett
2002 R14 - Bartel, Chapman, Embley, Johnson, Judd, Matera
Churned out some stats for a thread on the main board which has since been closed, so will post them here instead. Relating to Richmond's 8-38 recent record v Geelong - the worst 46-game sequence in modern football:
Ranks equal 188th-worst of 17,886 46-game sequences (or equal 180th, taking 7-37-2 as equivalent).
Worst record is six runs of 2-44 for Hawthorn v Collingwood, dating from their entry to the VFL in the 1920's.
Other horror sequences which began post-WW2:
Melbourne v Hawthorn, 5 sequences of 8-38, beginning late 1960's
St.Kilda v Carlton, 16 sequences of 6-40 to 8-38, beginning mid 1960's
South Melbourne v Carlton, 18 sequences of 6-40 to 8-37-1, beginning late 1950's
South Melbourne v Collingwood, 8 sequences of 7-39 to 8-37-1, beginning mid 1940's
South Melbourne v Essendon, 3 sequences of 8-38, beginning mid 1950's
South Melbourne v Hawthorn, 15 sequences of 6-40 to 8-37-1, beginning early 1960's (plus one starting 1953)
South Melbourne v Richmond, 4 sequences of 8-38, beginning early 1960's
Fitzroy v Carlton, 10 sequences of 7-38-1 to 8-38, beginning early 1960's
Ranks equal 188th-worst of 17,886 46-game sequences (or equal 180th, taking 7-37-2 as equivalent).
Worst record is six runs of 2-44 for Hawthorn v Collingwood, dating from their entry to the VFL in the 1920's.
Other horror sequences which began post-WW2:
Melbourne v Hawthorn, 5 sequences of 8-38, beginning late 1960's
St.Kilda v Carlton, 16 sequences of 6-40 to 8-38, beginning mid 1960's
South Melbourne v Carlton, 18 sequences of 6-40 to 8-37-1, beginning late 1950's
South Melbourne v Collingwood, 8 sequences of 7-39 to 8-37-1, beginning mid 1940's
South Melbourne v Essendon, 3 sequences of 8-38, beginning mid 1950's
South Melbourne v Hawthorn, 15 sequences of 6-40 to 8-37-1, beginning early 1960's (plus one starting 1953)
South Melbourne v Richmond, 4 sequences of 8-38, beginning early 1960's
Fitzroy v Carlton, 10 sequences of 7-38-1 to 8-38, beginning early 1960's
