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Since Rd 2 2011, Hawthorn has been defeated 16 times. Geelong has inflicted eight of those....Has any one side ever been responsible for half of one team's defeats over such a significant period of 79 games?

Ergo, the Hawks utter domination of most of the rest of the comp is equally astounding. I think you Ron the Bear indicated that the Hawks had something like a streak of three wins against 13 other clubs in that time? It's an amazing set of numbers.
 
On the main board, there is a thread about the low-scoring games this year, with no games with both teams kicking scores over 100 points.

I replied to the discussion to note that the last time there was a 300-point aggregate game was North Melbourne's 24.12-156 to 22.13-145 victory over the Western Bulldogs in June 2003, with this game 1 of just 3 from 2000 onwards to reach a 300-point aggregate.

Since then, does anyone know which game has produced the highest aggregate score?
 

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On the main board, there is a thread about the low-scoring games this year, with no games with both teams kicking scores over 100 points.

I replied to the discussion to note that the last time there was a 300-point aggregate game was North Melbourne's 24.12-156 to 22.13-145 victory over the Western Bulldogs in June 2003, with this game 1 of just 3 from 2000 onwards to reach a 300-point aggregate.

Since then, does anyone know which game has produced the highest aggregate score?


Off the top of my head, Geelong 233 Melbourne 47 (280.) 2011.
Essendon 150, Carlton 134 (284.) 2008.
Footscray 151, Brisbane 123 (274.) 2005.
Geelong 222, Richmond 65 (287.) 2007.
West Coast 144, Footscray 137 (281.) 2004.
Adelaide 176, Carlton 104 (280.) 2009.
 
Off the top of my head, Geelong 233 Melbourne 47 (280.) 2011.
Essendon 150, Carlton 134 (284.) 2008.
Footscray 151, Brisbane 123 (274.) 2005.
Geelong 222, Richmond 65 (287.) 2007.
West Coast 144, Footscray 137 (281.) 2004.
Adelaide 176, Carlton 104 (280.) 2009.

Thanks Redman Was Here.

With the way most games are being played this year (scores such as 10.10-70 to 7.14-56 in perfect conditions), I don't think we will be seeing any games like these for some time, let alone a game with a 300-point aggregate.
 
Thanks Redman Was Here.

With the way most games are being played this year (scores such as 10.10-70 to 7.14-56 in perfect conditions), I don't think we will be seeing any games like these for some time, let alone a game with a 300-point aggregate.

As an impartial (but financially invested) person who at half time in the Pies/North game was quite happy with the 99 points half time aggregate, i was completely gobsmacked by probably the worst quarter of footy played in the beautiful conditions of the G in that 3rd quarter. The Pies 1.3.9 to North's 0.4.4 would have to be about the worst ever score output in such beautiful weather and perfect ground conditions. There's probably no way to know the weather in games of long ago, but it completely ended my half time expectation that the game aggregate would exceed 182 points. But seriously, that quarter of footy was just breathtaking in it's scoring ineptitude.
 
As an impartial (but financially invested) person who at half time in the Pies/North game was quite happy with the 99 points half time aggregate, i was completely gobsmacked by probably the worst quarter of footy played in the beautiful conditions of the G in that 3rd quarter. The Pies 1.3.9 to North's 0.4.4 would have to be about the worst ever score output in such beautiful weather and perfect ground conditions. There's probably no way to know the weather in games of long ago, but it completely ended my half time expectation that the game aggregate would exceed 182 points. But seriously, that quarter of footy was just breathtaking in it's scoring ineptitude.
Lowest 3rd quarter aggregates at the the stadium with potentially no weather.

Docklands round 11 2007. StK 1.2-8 vs Nth 1.3-9
Docklands round 8 2006. Richmond 1.4-10 vs Adelaide 1.2-8
Docklands round 3 2010. StK 2.1-13 v Coll'wood 0.6-6

Lowest 1st quarter aggregate at Docklands
Round 11 2000: StK 1.1-7 vs Port 1.2-8
Round 18 2003: StK 1.7-13 vs Eagles 0.2-2

Lowest 2nd quarter aggregate at Docklands
Round 5 2002: StK 0.0-0 vs Sydney 1.2-8

Lowest 4th quarter aggregate at Docklands
Round 20 2004: Melb 1.0-6 vs Sydney 0.0-0

The 13 point aggregate in round 5 2014 at the MCG is the lowest 3rd quarter aggregate there since:
Round 4 1988: Melb 0.2-2 vs Brisbane 1.5-11.

Lowest 1st quarter aggregate at the MCG 2000-14
Grand Final 2002: Brisbane 0.4-4 vs Coll'wood 1.4-10

Lowest 2nd quarter aggregate at the MCG 2000-14
Round 8 2007 Hawthorn 0.3-3 v StK 1.2-8

Lowest 4th quarter aggregate at the MCG 2000-14
Round 13 2010: StK 1.4-10 vs Geelong 0.3-3.
 
Since Rd 2 2011, Hawthorn has been defeated 16 times. Geelong has inflicted eight of those....Has any one side ever been responsible for half of one team's defeats over such a significant period of 79 games?

I think I can see Collingwood R14, 1933 to R4, 1937 55-12-3, with Sth Mel. accounting for seven of those losses.
 
Off the top of my head, Geelong 233 Melbourne 47 (280.) 2011.
Essendon 150, Carlton 134 (284.) 2008.
Footscray 151, Brisbane 123 (274.) 2005.
Geelong 222, Richmond 65 (287.) 2007.
West Coast 144, Footscray 137 (281.) 2004.
Adelaide 176, Carlton 104 (280.) 2009.

Also
284 St Kilda 196 v Carlton 88 2004
283 Brisbane Lions 123 v Essendon 160 2006
277 North Melbourne 147 v Carlton 130 2007
 
A couple of young Hawks, namely Isaac Smith and Luke Bruest have got amazing win/loss records against fifteen other clubs...with two exceptions.

Smith has 55 wins in 58 games against all clubs minus Geelong and Richmond, where he is 1 from 9.

Bruest has 58 wins from 61 games against all clubs minus the Tigers and Cats, where he is 1 from 10.

Paul Puopolo also has 55 wins from 59 games, and is 1 from 9 against the feline nemeses.

(Thanks to Paul's site AFL tables also :) )

The thing that spins me out about the Hawk's record against the rest of the comp is that Geelong even at their imperious winning best from 2007-2009 still lost random games against some eclectic opponents like North, Carlton and Brisbane, whereas the Hawks essentially smash all other comers.
 

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The thing that spins me out about the Hawk's record against the rest of the comp is that Geelong even at their imperious winning best from 2007-2009 still lost random games against some eclectic opponents like North, Carlton and Brisbane, whereas the Hawks essentially smash all other comers.

Richmond is hardly a dominant team comparable to Geelong though, so they really don't.
 
Richmond is hardly a dominant team comparable to Geelong though, so they really don't.

I threw in Richmond because the young Hawks are 0/2 against them, indeed those three players have only tasted defeat against four clubs, maybe five if you include the Eagles game in 2011. Mind you, the Tigers have a much better record against Brisbane than Geelong do, indeed the Lions are the only other club apart from the traditional powers Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon that Geelong has a sub 50% win record against. But Richmond have done what very few other sides have done against the Hawks from 2012 onwards, so given the propensity for history to repeat, who knows what will happen this weekend?
 
Not Rain Man but I love stats and numbers seem to follow me wherever I go.
I think what people are wanting to know is, did you really have those figures in your head (as you seem to have suggested) or were you merely being flippant, in saying "off the top of my head"?
 
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I think what people are wanting to know is, did you really have those figures in your head (as you seem to have suggested) or were you merely being flippant, in saying "off the top of my head"?


No flippancy whatsoever.

Those were the first games I had thought of.
 
My question goes to the percentage of games won by teams with fewer scoring shots. By my count the Eagles have now lost six games in the last two and a bit seasons with more scoring shots than their opponents, however on the flipside have only won two games in the same circumstance (which is, obviously, rather frustrating).

My thought is that it must be that it only seems that the Eagles are doing worse than others because being human you notice it when you lose that way but don't necessarily really notice it when you win in that manner (much like the way you notice the number of red lights you stop at while driving, but not really the number of greens you go straight through)

Secondly, I did a search having remembered a list from a few seasons back that gave the percentage of games won by a team with fewer scoring shots by scoring shot differential, but couldn't find it. If any one had that, or a similar list, I would be very interested to see it.
 
My question goes to the percentage of games won by teams with fewer scoring shots. By my count the Eagles have now lost six games in the last two and a bit seasons with more scoring shots than their opponents, however on the flipside have only won two games in the same circumstance (which is, obviously, rather frustrating).

My thought is that it must be that it only seems that the Eagles are doing worse than others because being human you notice it when you lose that way but don't necessarily really notice it when you win in that manner (much like the way you notice the number of red lights you stop at while driving, but not really the number of greens you go straight through)

Secondly, I did a search having remembered a list from a few seasons back that gave the percentage of games won by a team with fewer scoring shots by scoring shot differential, but couldn't find it. If any one had that, or a similar list, I would be very interested to see it.

I am sure Rogers Results has stats that prove that the Eagles, at least in Perth indeed are kicking about 10% less accurately that their opponents at Subi, something like high 40's for the Eagles and high 50's for the opposition. Certainly the last two defeats have just about come to pass due to inaccurate kicking, which must be frustrating. Geelong in 1990 were ghastly that season, we had 9.28.82 versus Richmond and 14.27.111 against Carlton and lost both despite having several more scoring shots.
 

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