Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

[Todman]

Its irrelevant in the context of having a debate about this issue.

The reality is that 1100 people died because of a massive policy failure.

Whether one is crying behind their keyboard or not doesn't change that fact.

The reality is that there are 1100 bodies and a further 1400 disappeared without a trace. At least 2500 dead

The Labor Government claimed that up to 5% of boat people drowned at sea.

 

[romeoh]

Its good of some of you to show such concern for the people who have died on the waters. Now if only those compassionate views can be extended to include the living, we might have a more decent society.

 

[Maggie5]

How far does sympathy and concern have to extend? It's pretty much why all the political point scoring is useless.

Exactly

 

[Richard Pryor]

We'll be hearing about it again just before the election. Polls lagging? Create an emergency!

 

[Todman]

Its good of some of you to show such concern for the people who have died on the waters. Now if only those compassionate views can be extended to include the living, we might have a more decent society.

If I give you any sympathy , I encouraging you to sit in your failure and not move on from it.

 

[romeoh]

If I give you any sympathy , I encouraging you to sit in your failure and not move on from it.

You cannot be cereal.

 

[Docker Clint]

 

[mottrain]

You cannot be cereal.

The thing that the Greens advocate for actually as alway is a poor, ill conceived and stupid suggestion in regard to refugees. The thing that's terribly funny for me is how have heard them talk about all the reduction in population crap and amazingly contradict themselves with this policy. Pretty funny foremost because they took the opinion and tactic today to try and run with Abbot and Cognitive Dissonance being lacking. It is incredibly even more hilarious after considering Sarah Hanson Young.

 

[Maggie5]

The thing that the Greens advocate for actually as alway is a poor, ill conceived and stupid suggestion in regard to refugees. The thing that's terribly funny for me is how have heard them talk about all the reduction in population crap and amazingly contradict themselves with this policy. Pretty funny foremost because they took the opinion and tactic today to try and run with Abbot and Cognitive Dissonance being lacking. It is incredibly even more hilarious after considering Sarah Hanson Young.

Huh?

 

[mottrain]

Huh?

The greens go after populationreduction right now as a policy but want open border on refugee. Today they too time to tell the public Abbott actually lacks cognitive dissonance based on what was put on the age front page today...

 

[Docker Clint]

The greens go after populationreduction right now as a policy but want open border on refugee. Today they too time to tell the public Abbott actually lacks cognitive dissonance based on what was put on the age front page today...

Keep spreading the myth that the Greens want the border open.

 

[GuruJane]

Was this guy running an international multi, multi million dollar criminal people smuggling syndicate?
Was he headqtred in Canberra like Capt Emad was?
How many of his clients drowned at sea?

 

[Docker Clint]

How many of his clients drowned at sea?

Crocodile tears. If you're so concerned with deaths at sea, then you'll be OK with flying in everyone stuck in Indonesia then.

 

[midorigreenwood]

Why stop at Indonesia, there are 100k in Malaysia alone.

It's a multifaceted problem as Italy, and subsequently Europe, is beginning to find out (by trying Australia's previous method of acting as a taxi service to reduce tragedies)

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europ...-4000-immigrants-land-201449192758686226.html

Italy said that 4,000 immigrants have reached its shores by boat in the past two days - the highest number since it launched a naval operation to rescue them at sea in the wake of two shipwrecks last year. "The landings are non-stop and the emergency is increasingly glaring," Interior Minister Angelino Alfano told Rai Uno public radio on Wednesday, adding that a corpse had been found on one of the migrant boats rescued.

Alfano estimated that 15,000 migrants crossing the Mediterranean had been rescued so far this year and said up to 600,000 migrants from Africa and the Middle East were ready to set off from Libyan shores.

Labor was aware of the problem way back in June 2010 as the email from Gillard shows

but they were too busying rolling their eyes at coalition policy back then in derision as shown by Gillard's speech to the Lowy institute just two weeks later on July 2010

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...cy-for-australia/story-e6frgczf-1225888445622

My opponent, Mr Abbott, is good at slogans: a great big new tax on everything; a great big new tax on mining; a big bad tax; and now, turn back the boats. But these slogans are hollow.

The Opposition is trying to sell the Australian community a fairy tale in which all you have to do is go out to an asylum seeker boat and turn it around and everything will be fixed - but this fairytale is not the facts. The facts are the boat will be scuttled and start to sink.

The facts are that this nation would then be confronted with a stark choice: either we could leave the scene in the certain knowledge people including children would drown or we could rescue the asylum seekers from the water.

Today let me say one thing loud and clear: our nation would not leave children to drown. We are Australians and our values will never allow us to embrace this kind of evil. So, inevitably, the so-called strategy of turning the boats back would become a strategy of rescuing asylum seekers from the water with all the risks that entails to the lives of defence and customs personnel.

The slogan is hollow and Mr Abbott knows it.

In his own policy document he says that the so-called turnaround of boats would only happen “Where circumstances permit”. This is an admission that it won’t work.

 

[Docker Clint]

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/asylu...-for-annihilation-on-land-20140424-zqypg.html

One of the constant refrains in support of stopping the boats is that no more people are drowning at sea in the desperate voyage from Indonesia to a far-flung vestige of Australia.

The government bastes itself in a buttery glow of satisfaction on that front – that its policy is actually a humanitarian one, because goodness knows how many lives it has saved.

This concern is touching but we are entitled to be distrustful of this self-proclaimed virtue, because deaths at sea quite cynically suited the political purpose of the then opposition.

It gave the Coalition the excuse to apply every brutal, inhumane, nasty remedy that could be conjured in the name of being humane.

Standby for lots of pious denunciation of that argument.

What we have done is swap deaths at sea for a slower form of annihilation on land.

 

[GuruJane]

Crocodile tears. If you're so concerned with deaths at sea, then you'll be OK with flying in everyone stuck in Indonesia then.

You are a bit late. I've been saying that since 2009. It was the logical outcome of Labor throwing out the Howard deterrents - a policy which the voters endorsed at the 2007 election.

Funnily enough not many Labor/Left people seemed to think it was a good idea even though it would have stopped people drowning, as you say.

 

[GuruJane]

but they were too busying rolling their eyes at coalition policy back then in derision as shown by Gillard's speech to the Lowy institute just two weeks later on July 2010

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...cy-for-australia/story-e6frgczf-1225888445622

Cringeingly embarrassing for Labor the passage of Julia Gillard on turning back boats.

And in Italy - did I read right - 4000 in two days and 600,000 in pipeline? What's the betting the ME trade that used to go to Australia will be heading that way too.

 

[yibbida]

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/asylu...-for-annihilation-on-land-20140424-zqypg.html

Yep, no crocodile tears for the suicides, murder and mental damage.

 

[Jakko]

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/asylu...-for-annihilation-on-land-20140424-zqypg.html

Annihilation!!

 

[yibbida]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/monicatan/things-all-asylum-seekers-heading-to-australia-should-kno?

Between 1 July 2012 to 30 June 2013, 18,119 asylum seekers destined for Australia arrived by sea (versus 8,308 by air).

18. Of those 18,119, 85% were male, 66% were 30 years old or under and 84% were nationals of Sri Lanka, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iraq.

19. A total of 4,949 protection visas were granted to those people who arrived by boat in 2012-13 representing 66% of all protection visa grants, with a 88% grant rate (versus a 48% grant rate for non-maritime arrivals).

You will be one of 1,107 asylum seekers on Republic of Nauru (630 men, 300 women and 177 children) or one of 1,325 male asylum seekers on Manus Province, PNG, as of 28 February 2014.

Between 1 July 2012 to 30 June 2013, 8,308 asylum seekers destined for Australia arrived by air (versus 18,119 by sea).

34. Of those 8,308, 61% were male, 60% were 30 years old or under and 52% were nationals of China, India, Pakistan, Egypt and Iran. 41% arrived on student visas and 38% on visitor and working holiday maker visas.

35. A total of 5,274 protection visas were granted to non-maritime arrivals in 2012-13, with a 48% grant rate (versus an 88% grant rate for maritime arrivals).

There are currently 4,699 people in Australian immigration detention facilities and alternative places of detention (this does not include offshore processing centres), as of 28 February 2014. This number includes those who entered Australia without permission by boat during the previous government and those who overstayed their visa.

You will join around 50 refugees who are in indefinite detention due to negative security clearances, despite the fact that indefinite detention is in violation of UN conventions that Australia is a signatory of.

59. In total, there are 124 people who have been held in Australian immigration detention for more than 730 days, which represents 3% of current detainees, as of 28 February 2014.

60. Yes. -> Sorry, this year's quota has already been filled! Last month the immigration minister, Scott Morrison, introduced a cap on protection visas, setting it at 2,773 per year. You will have to remain on a bridging visa until 1 July 2014 when the new financial year begins.

 

[Todman]

41. Your application should include passport sized photos, passports and identifications, and a statement, along with other documents that support your claims (including photos or other forms of evidence). For example, perhaps you are seeking asylum because homosexuals are persecuted in your home country. Do you have evidence that supports your claim?

Lets become a beacon to the world's gays, we'll hold you close and cuddle you and make sure the bad guys stay away. Yeah right. (sarcasm)

 

[Getz]

Lets become a beacon to the world's gays, we'll hold you close and cuddle you and make sure the bad guys stay away. Yeah right. (sarcasm)

Hope you're just drunk, and delete this when you're sober.

 

[Todman]

Hope you're just drunk, and delete this when you're sober.

If you claim you are a Islamic homosexual you can claim persecution at home so you want to come here.

 

[Getz]

If you claim you are a Islamic homosexual you can claim persecution at home so you want to come here.

If you can provide evidence for your claim of persecution, you can submit an application for a protection visa..

Not "Lets become a beacon to the world's gays, we'll hold you close and cuddle you and make sure the bad guys stay away. Yeah right. (sarcasm)"....
Are you going to continue with that comment? Or shall we just delete our conversation, and forget about it.

 

[Maggie5]

If you claim you are a Islamic homosexual you can claim persecution at home so you want to come here.

If you delete the word claim and in fact they are gay, does this make any difference to you or are you just indifferent to other peoples persecution?