2014 Brownlow Medal

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Young Gun #6

Norm Smith Medallist
May 24, 2008
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Port Adelaide
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Boak and Gray very very close. Been on Gray since about round 4-5 and now everyone is actually starting to talk about him a lot, i'm glad i have so much on him to win ports votes, but nowhere near a lock.
 

sethlad

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Aug 15, 2001
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Gray is a gun but his polling history is awful,best is 6 votes in a season (polled in 3 games).
2011 they won 8 games (6 votes) & 2011 they won 3 (6 votes),last year he didnt poll a vote in 17 games.
Clearly having a great year but Port have many more likely voters this year,Id be surprised if he even topped Port.

seth
 

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Mar 20, 2007
28,144
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West Coast
Carlton/North Melbourne
3: B.Gibbs - 2. L.Henderson - 1. J.Waite
St Kilda/Fremantle
3: N.Riewoldt - 2. R.Stanley - 1. L.Dunstan
GWS/Geelong
3: J.Selwood - 2. S.Johnson - 1. C.Ward
Port Adelaide/Melbourne
3: D.Tyson - 2. O.Wines - 1. N.Jones
Western Bulldogs/Essendon
3: J.Carlisle - 2. J.Macrae - 1. P.Ryder
West Coast/Richmond
3: B.Deledio - 2. N.Foley - 1. M.Priddis
Brisbane/Gold Coast
3: P.Hanley - 2. T.Rockliff - 1. D.Zorko
Hawthorn/Sydney
3: J.Lewis - 2. B.McGlynn - 1. J.Roughead
Collingwood/Adelaide
3: B.Smith - 2. D.Beams - 1. P.Dangerfield




G.Ablett 24
J.Kennedy 22
N.Fyfe 21
J.Selwood 21
S.Pendlebury 19
S.Johnson 18
P.Dangerifeld 15
T.Cotchin 14
B.Harvey 14
S.Thompson 13
R.Gray 13
T.Liberatore 13
T.Boak 13
D.Beams 13
T.Rockliff 13
 
G.Ablett 24
J.Kennedy 22
N.Fyfe 21
J.Selwood 21
S.Pendlebury 19
S.Johnson 18
P.Dangerifeld 15
T.Cotchin 14
B.Harvey 14
S.Thompson 13
R.Gray 13
T.Liberatore 13
T.Boak 13
D.Beams 13
T.Rockliff 13

I hope to heck that your on the money and theres someone above Fyfe when its said and done.
 
Aug 15, 2011
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Luke hodge against Sydney? And is he a chance to better than we think? Polled 15 or so last year in a fairly avg season for him. Is the captain, doesnt go off at the umps anymore and has played increasing onball time compared to last season. His clearances have doubled and possessions increased by 4 on avg
 
Mar 20, 2007
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Luke hodge against Sydney? And is he a chance to better than we think? Polled 15 or so last year in a fairly avg season for him. Is the captain, doesnt go off at the umps anymore and has played increasing onball time compared to last season. His clearances have doubled and possessions increased by 4 on avg
Really split between him and Roughead for the 1 vote
 

gothedons

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Oct 4, 2004
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Did a little look at our difference in Gray and Boak happy_eagle

Gray difference (happy_eagle: 13; GTD; 10):


Rd 13 Loss to syd, 35disp, 3Tk, 2GA, 1 I50, 0.2: GTD 0, happy_eagle 2

GTD: 3 Franklin, 2 B.Ebert, 1 Jack


Rd 12 win v St. K, 25disp, 6mk, 3tk, 3GA, 2 I50, 4.1 : GTD 2, happy_eagle 3

GTD: 3. Hartlett 36 disp, 8mk, 5 tk, 1GA, 3 I 50, 1.1


Rd 11 win v Melb, 25 disp, 2mk, 3tk, 3 I50, 2.1 : GTD 1, happy_eagle 3

GTD: 3. Boak (28 disp, 5mk, 1tk, 5 I50, 1.1), 2 Tyson (30 disp, 9mk, 2tk, 4 I50, 2.0)


Rd 6: GTD 1, happy_eagle 0




Rd 1: GTD 1, happy_eagle 0




Boak difference (happy_eagle: 13; GTD; 16):


Rd 14 win v WB, 30disp, 4mk, 4tk, 7 I50, 2.1: GTD 1, happy_eagle 0

Happy_Eagle: 3. Schulz, 2. Wines, 1. Westhoff (I went 3. Schulz, 2. Westhoff and 1. Boak)


Rd 11: GTD 3, happy_eagle 1

Happy_eagle: 3. Gray, 2. Tyson, 1. Boak (stats as above)


Wrong to list the stats only, as they can be misleading, but hard to quantify impact here...
 
Mar 20, 2007
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Should probably mention where I source my votes from
I use a mixture of

- Remembering the game (If I watched it, dont usually get to see all 9 games)
- Stats (Supercoach scores can be useful when determining effectivness)
- AFL Match Report
- The Age/Herald Sun player votes
- BigFooty Medal Board
- Each Club boards MVP voting

In alot of the above mentioned instances, Gray had fewer touches than others but was far more damaging (eg in the Melbourne game numerous outlets had him as BOG)
I probably lean more towards midfielders that kick goals as well, not sure if there is a link between this an actual votes
 

gothedons

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Oct 4, 2004
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Should probably mention where I source my votes from
I use a mixture of

- Remembering the game (If I watched it, dont usually get to see all 9 games)
- Stats (Supercoach scores can be useful when determining effectivness)
- AFL Match Report
- The Age/Herald Sun player votes
- BigFooty Medal Board
- Each Club boards MVP voting

In alot of the above mentioned instances, Gray had fewer touches than others but was far more damaging (eg in the Melbourne game numerous outlets had him as BOG)
I probably lean more towards midfielders that kick goals as well, not sure if there is a link between this an actual votes

I do the same, watching games first, then stats, AFL reports, Newspaper/online votes... I am overseas and have an online AFL account, so often I get to watch 7-9 games throughout the space of a week... Agree with your cocmment on Gray having more 'effective' touches, however his polling history is what worries me the most, and is probably why I have been more cautious polling him.... Anyway I don't think I am right or wrong overall, just did it for interest sake, and can definitely see merit in the way you polled the games (in fact the loss to sydney, which was a game I didnt watch, Im starting to think he def deserves some votes in that game based on reports/stats)!

Anyway only time will tell, and who knows by years end we might have a definitive winner of the port votes!
 

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Jul 29, 2009
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I do the same, watching games first, then stats, AFL reports, Newspaper/online votes... I am overseas and have an online AFL account, so often I get to watch 7-9 games throughout the space of a week... Agree with your cocmment on Gray having more 'effective' touches, however his polling history is what worries me the most, and is probably why I have been more cautious polling him.... Anyway I don't think I am right or wrong overall, just did it for interest sake, and can definitely see merit in the way you polled the games (in fact the loss to sydney, which was a game I didnt watch, Im starting to think he def deserves some votes in that game based on reports/stats)!

Anyway only time will tell, and who knows by years end we might have a definitive winner of the port votes!

the sydney game is a good example of his impact. he was clearly in the top 3 on the ground, was big on impact throughout and very noticeable all day at the clearances. if port had got up, he could have made a very good case for the 3 votes.
 

Spitter9

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Jul 29, 2012
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Carlton vs North Melbourne
3.
Bryce Gibbs 2. Lachlan Henderson 1. Jarrad Waite

St.Kilda vs Fremantle
3.
Nick Riewoldt 2. Rhys Stanley 1. Shane Savage

GWS vs Geelong
3.
Joel Selwood 2. Steve Johnson 1. Callan Ward

Port Adelaide vs Melbourne
3.
Dom Tyson 2. Oliver Wines 1. Nathan Jones

Western Bulldogs vs Essendon
3.
Jake Carlisle 2. Jackson Macrae 1. Patrick Ryder

West Coast vs Richmond
3.
Matthew Priddis 2. Dustin Martin 1. Anthony Miles

Brisbane vs Gold Coast
3.
Pearce Hanley 2. Tom Rockliff 1. Dayne Zorko

Hawthorn vs Sydney
3.
Jarryd Roughead 2. Jordan Lewis 1. Ben Mcglynn

Collingwood vs Adelaide
3.
Brodie Smith 2. Dayne Beams 1. Patrick Dangerfield


Leaderboard:
24 - Gary Ablett
21 - Joel Selwood
19 - Brent Harvey
18 - Josh Kennedy
16 - Matthew Priddis, Nathan Fyfe, Nathan Jones, Patrick Dangerfield, Travis Boak
15 - Scott Pendlebury, Steve Johnson
12 - Lance Franklin, Nick Riewoldt, Robbie Gray, Scott Thompson, Trent Cotchin
 

Hawkinspired

Premiership Player
Sep 2, 2009
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Luke hodge against Sydney? And is he a chance to better than we think? Polled 15 or so last year in a fairly avg season for him. Is the captain, doesnt go off at the umps anymore and has played increasing onball time compared to last season. His clearances have doubled and possessions increased by 4 on avg

Some have been making a case for him but I just think it's too evenly split at Hawthorn. Mitchell has been fantastic both before and after the injury so he's still getting plenty of votes. Rioli is the same. Hodge and Lewis have been in our best but it's hard to say how they will go, particularly with the season Bruest is having. On track to kick close to 60 goals in the home and away. I couldn't even pick most votes at Hawthorn.
 
May 6, 2008
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Geelong
I hope to heck that your on the money and theres someone above Fyfe when its said and done.

Gaz was just as unlucky as him. If the winner finishes just above gaz and below Fyfe it's really going to suck the air out of the room because he's basically 3rd best. If Stevie J went on a run it could be 4th best! I wish they would just fix the bloody rules and there would be no issue.
 

Pinnell

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Aug 15, 2009
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Carlton
INterested in thoughts on Essendon..... Jobe is back in a few weeks and I think Heppell is over rated as a brownlow chance, whilst Goddard polls poorly. If Jobe can pull off a few votes in the final couple of games from the umpires that clearly love him, he may well yet still when the Essendon count.
 
May 6, 2008
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what's your proposed fix given it's not a medal for the best, it's for the fairest and best

You don't need to take the fairest part out, they just need to use common sense. A deliberate act like Vickery would obviously make him ineligible. A good example is Fyfe, the rules have changed during the same season, how is that fair in any way? What was reportable in Round 4 wasn't even being looked at 6 weeks later. If the tribunal can't find consistency (and GOD know's the can't) then there has to be a way that the player can still be eligible from accidental contact - even if it was high.
 
Jul 29, 2009
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INterested in thoughts on Essendon..... Jobe is back in a few weeks and I think Heppell is over rated as a brownlow chance, whilst Goddard polls poorly. If Jobe can pull off a few votes in the final couple of games from the umpires that clearly love him, he may well yet still when the Essendon count.

i have zaharakis leading Essendon on 10, but honestly, if carlisle had two more big games, he could nearly pinch it, having two BOGs in his last two games.
 

terminators

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Oct 10, 2008
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You don't need to take the fairest part out, they just need to use common sense. A deliberate act like Vickery would obviously make him ineligible. A good example is Fyfe, the rules have changed during the same season, how is that fair in any way? What was reportable in Round 4 wasn't even being looked at 6 weeks later. If the tribunal can't find consistency (and GOD know's the can't) then there has to be a way that the player can still be eligible from accidental contact - even if it was high.

Agree. The whole "fairest" component would never have envisaged video replays, match review panels, gradings etc. It would have been established for deliberate acts of thuggery to be removed.

The 3 gradings of an incident are Intentional, Reckless and Negligent. Intentional acts should remain banned from brownlow, Reckless a grey area. But if someone gets suspended for being Negligent they haven't gone out of their way to be unfair, so should be eligible IMO.
 
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