Article 'History of the AFL could be turned on its head'
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"They will also further examine the true influence of Marn Grook and indigenous Australians on the AFL code."
Despite a clear history of the codification of the game, with primary sources and documentary evidence, this Marngrook nonsense will be pushed and pushed untli everyone shuts up and takes it.
Seeing such arrant, agenda-driven dishonesty slowly make its way into the history books is disappointing.
Despite a clear history of the codification of the game, with primary sources and documentary evidence, this Marngrook nonsense will be pushed and pushed untli everyone shuts up and takes it.
Seeing such arrant, agenda-driven dishonesty slowly make its way into the history books is disappointing.
The AFL is so up themselves just imagine this.
If the AFL takes off in China then..........
The origins of the game was when Tom Wills as a child watched the chinese coolies do their Tai Chi in the morning. Tom and his young friend Black Billy used to earn pocketmoney selling possum meat to the diggers. On their way home they would mimic the Tai Chi whist kicking a possum skin back and forwards to each other. If they kicked their possum skin between a fork in the tree that was worth six points but if the possum skin hit the tree then only one point was added to their tally.
If the AFL takes off in China then..........
The origins of the game was when Tom Wills as a child watched the chinese coolies do their Tai Chi in the morning. Tom and his young friend Black Billy used to earn pocketmoney selling possum meat to the diggers. On their way home they would mimic the Tai Chi whist kicking a possum skin back and forwards to each other. If they kicked their possum skin between a fork in the tree that was worth six points but if the possum skin hit the tree then only one point was added to their tally.
It depends on what history you are talking about, the history of Australian Rules Football or the history of the Australian Football League. The history of the AFL goes back to 1897 when eight sides left the VFA and formed the VFL. The VFL became the AFL after the 1989 Season. Adding the results for a competition which the sides in the competition were in but left is trying to ignore the fact that they left and the reason why.
On the eve of the 1896 VFA Grand Final between Collingwood and South Melbourne, a meeting was held by the six strongest and oldest clubs about forming a new competition. Those clubs were Collingwood, South Melbourne, Essendon, Melbourne, Fitzroy and Geelong. They decided to state a new competition, with some new rules and to invite two other clubs to join them. They being St.Kilda, because they were south of the Yarra, and Carlton, if they could gain access to an appropriate ground. This was what brought about Princes Park. Rules that were changed included the abolishment of the Little Mark and introducing the 10 yard rule for a mark. Also the scoring of six points for a goal and a point for a behind, with total points counting towards the score. This is an edited version of an article from 100 years of Australian Football, 1897 - 1996, which was produced as part of the AFL's Centenary Season.
So all those books with the history of the game will be useless because it will be rewritten. They start changing the history, then what are you suppose to believe. The present history of the league starts with the above meeting and continues to the 18 team competition we have today. The first eight clubs were joined by two other clubs in 1908, Richmond from the VFA and University from the Metropolitan Association. This statement makes two points, one that the two clubs asked to join the VFL as the other clubs did in the season after this. The second is that University came from the Metropolitan Association, which is the VAFA today, and not from the VFA.
The history of the AFL is easily defined as the league which came from the above meeting in 1896. Why muddy the history of the AFL by changing what we include as the AFL.
On the eve of the 1896 VFA Grand Final between Collingwood and South Melbourne, a meeting was held by the six strongest and oldest clubs about forming a new competition. Those clubs were Collingwood, South Melbourne, Essendon, Melbourne, Fitzroy and Geelong. They decided to state a new competition, with some new rules and to invite two other clubs to join them. They being St.Kilda, because they were south of the Yarra, and Carlton, if they could gain access to an appropriate ground. This was what brought about Princes Park. Rules that were changed included the abolishment of the Little Mark and introducing the 10 yard rule for a mark. Also the scoring of six points for a goal and a point for a behind, with total points counting towards the score. This is an edited version of an article from 100 years of Australian Football, 1897 - 1996, which was produced as part of the AFL's Centenary Season.
So all those books with the history of the game will be useless because it will be rewritten. They start changing the history, then what are you suppose to believe. The present history of the league starts with the above meeting and continues to the 18 team competition we have today. The first eight clubs were joined by two other clubs in 1908, Richmond from the VFA and University from the Metropolitan Association. This statement makes two points, one that the two clubs asked to join the VFL as the other clubs did in the season after this. The second is that University came from the Metropolitan Association, which is the VAFA today, and not from the VFA.
The history of the AFL is easily defined as the league which came from the above meeting in 1896. Why muddy the history of the AFL by changing what we include as the AFL.
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Actually, and what is not in the history books, is that University applied to join the VFL in 1896 and, from memory,1906 before their eventual admission into the VFL.
BTW when did the AFL last decide that no change was a good change.
Becuase the AFL is insistent that it should represent the league AND the code.
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There already is a website (mine) like afl tables on the WAFL called waflfootyfacts.net, being going for two years, bit limited on player history, although over summer that will be rectified to some point.
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waflfootyfacts.net is great, thanks for adding it here. I like the pdf's of the Budget as well.
My VFA site has recently expanded to start covering post-1897 seasons in detail, with more to come.
I also have the data to create a similar site for the NSW Sydney comp, which will be a future project.
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The article is an absolute disgrace. Try and change the history to suit themselves. Next they will say that footy started in 1850 to make sure that the 'who formed first out of Melbourne FC and Sheffield FC (soccer)' argument falls clearly in favour of AFL ... um, VFL ... um, VFA ... um, Melbourne Rules Football?!?!?
There were no clear premiers pre-VFA, as mentioned previously one man at a newspaper decided 'they are premiers' and you will find there are cases that the 'premier club' didn't have the best record or the season. Correct me if I am wrong.
There were no clear premiers pre-VFA, as mentioned previously one man at a newspaper decided 'they are premiers' and you will find there are cases that the 'premier club' didn't have the best record or the season. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Thank goodness some sort of sanity has prevailed.
But I laughed at this:
Geelong should be doing that anyway.
Thank goodness some sort of sanity has prevailed.
But I laughed at this:
Geelong should be doing that anyway.
dont see why teams would recognize what they have achieved. as long as it states vfa, vfl and afl.
like port has its sanfl ones and afl one. we celebrate them all but keep them separate. simple
like port has its sanfl ones and afl one. we celebrate them all but keep them separate. simple
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It's a good outcome as far as I'm concerned and reflects essentially what I argued for in an article a few years ago. It actually goes further by extending the period back to 1870 (pre-VFA), but delineates the premierships and records between the comps, which on reflection is a better idea.
What I take that to mean is the 1870-1896 records are now 'official', but must be properly identified as VFA, V/AFL, etc., without being just lumped together. 1870 is a good cut off point because it's the beginning of the so-called 'Challenge Cup' era that saw a more standardised organisation of matches in Melbourne/Geelong, and better criteria for determining the premiers. It's also the formation date of Port Adelaide, the only traditional non-VFL club in the AFL, so all bases are covered.
What I take that to mean is the 1870-1896 records are now 'official', but must be properly identified as VFA, V/AFL, etc., without being just lumped together. 1870 is a good cut off point because it's the beginning of the so-called 'Challenge Cup' era that saw a more standardised organisation of matches in Melbourne/Geelong, and better criteria for determining the premiers. It's also the formation date of Port Adelaide, the only traditional non-VFL club in the AFL, so all bases are covered.
It's just the afl trying to rewrite history. Geelong already embrace their premierships from all competitions. Suddenly the vfl/afl will try and usurp the vfa sanfl and WAFL as the oldest running Aussie rules comp. Surely the vfa could grow some balls and claim what is theirs?
I know I don't believe your re-written version.
Collingwood started in 1892 but according to your re-writing of history in 1896 they were one of the oldest clubs around at the time....
... four years into their existence.
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I know I don't believe your re-written version.
Collingwood started in 1892 but according to your re-writing of history in 1896 they were one of the oldest clubs around at the time....
Collingwood were not one of the oldest clubs, but as the 1896 VFA premiers, they were among the strongest. Among the oldest were fellow VFA clubs Melbourne, Geelong, Essendon, Carlton, South Melbourne, Fitzroy, and St Kilda, who six months later were all competing against each other in the VFL, i.e., the same clubs with the same players using the same grounds, with the same supporters.
However, according to the official records, the VFL is year zero and the VFA club and player records don't count. It was the VFL itself, in its battle against the VFA in subsequent decades, that effectively nullified the pre-1897 VFA history, so the current 're-write' is in fact overturning the VFL whitewash, if that makes sense.
Exactly, but if the earlier poster re-writes history some would believe they were.
