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[Mattrox]

What does this really represent?

Are we high because we're young but our players have played a lot of games for their age? I don't get it.

No, you have done extremely well for your age/experience profile.

 

[manureid]

Domenic Cassisi on Twitter (@DomCassisi):

Subtle

 

[StrappingTape]

Seriously getting ****ed off, why does the AFL constantly want to change things because a few people think that they know best. Malthouse's idea's to shorten quarters, * off I don't see fans whigning. Gill's idea for a 16 game regular season and then some hodge podge s**t, * off people just want an even draw which u wont do due to your TV dick sucking. Just leave it alone or do what everyone wants and scrap the NAB challenge and extend the real games so we have fewer teams missing out on a return matchup.

 

[Mattrox]

The table in the age and the article so you understand what it means

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...tliers-on-afl-age-ladder-20140826-108cis.html

It's a different list if we look at the actual teams fielded over 22 rounds.



Sorry about phone photo/poor quality. Work internet and all.

 

[Coobk001]

The only way to have a fair draw is a conference system.

Just get it done.

 

[Mattrox]

These are box and whisker plots of the average age and games experience over the course of 22 rounds.

The box is the mid 50% of games the whiskers are the top and bottom 25% respectively.

 

[chachi11]

It's a different list if we look at the actual teams fielded over 22 rounds.

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Sorry about phone photo/poor quality. Work internet and all.

St Kilda and Carlton stick out on that list...
Looks like they're playing older players over the kids?

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

KARMICHAEL Hunt's AFL career is over‏ - will play rugby union next year.

 

[Doctor Feel]

KARMICHAEL Hunt's AFL career is over‏ - will play rugby union next year.

Thanks.

 

[Mattrox]

St Kilda and Carlton stick out on that list...
Looks like they're playing older players over the kids?

St Kilda has been playing between 10 and 15 players on less than 50 games all season. Mature age recruits, depth players, plus the old campaigners skew the age.

They have few players around the 100 mark but lots around 150 and up with several 200+ game players.

They are playing youngsters but it is hidden.

Carlton on the other hand have been playing between 5 and 9 sub 50 game players.

 

[manureid]

Thanks.

Did lol

 

[finbarr]

Domenic Cassisi on Twitter (@DomCassisi):

I'm going to start following Dom on twitter.

 

[Mattrox]

St Kilda and Carlton stick out on that list...
Looks like they're playing older players over the kids?

 

[yepits2020]

The only way to have a fair draw is a conference system.

Just get it done.

Dislike the idea of a conference system. Will not be remotely fair in relation to exposure, prime time playing, playing glamour clubs, especially when it comes to having 10 Vic teams.

 

[FishingRick04]

Wouldn't that be the conferences?

Vic clubs in 1 and everyone else in the other?

Or North, Melbourne, St Kilda, Bull Dogs, Geelong will in one half

 

[MrKK]

I am an advocate for a conference system to provide stability to the fixture. Would like to hear people's thoughts on the following ideas.

• South Conference - Port Adelaide, Adelaide, + 4 Victorian teams not in West conference
• West conference - West Coast, Fremantle, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon, Carlton
• East Conference - Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney, GWS + remaining 2 Victorian teams
• First 5 game intra-conference, then 12 games against non-conference opponents,home and away alternating over 2 years,then the last 5 versus their conference rivals
• Top 2 teams in each conference fill the top 6 positions in the finals, so all get a home final
• Next 4 best teams play 7v10 and 8v9 for last two spots in the final 8
• Intra -conference games worth 6 Premiership points
• Each Quarter worth a bonus point (ie intra conference games teams can gain up to 10 points, Inter-conference games up to 8 points)

Advantages -

• All blockbuster games and rivalries can remain
• Creates real rivalries that can establish and endure over time.
• All teams have to travel relatively equally and fairly, unless they choose to sell games to non-traditional AFL venues, then tough t***ies!
• 22 rounds is locked in for eternity - provides certainty

Disadvantages -

• Percentage becomes less important
• There will always be a group of death - it will vary over periods of time, but someone will always feel hard done by

Thoughts? Be constructive...

No Vic team is going to agree to be in a conference with us and Freo and hence travel to Perth twice as often as teams in the other conferences, least of all Collingwood.
And if you're going to mandate minimum 2 teams per conference make finals then you don't need the extra points for intra-conference games IMO. I also dislike wildcard rounds when there is already a high % of teams in the finals.

I agree with a conference-style system but have them reset each season based on previous year's ladder. 3x6 with top 2 in each conference + 2 best 3rd-place teams qualify for finals.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

If we have 2 conferences then 1 would have WCE/Freo/Adel/Port and the other Brisb/GC/Syd/GWS.

The 10 Vic clubs would be split between the conferences.

 

[RossFC]

AFL now advocating a top 10 with a Wildcard weekend (7v10 + 8v9) for the first weekend of the finals.

Richmond would love that idea.

 

[tribey]

Dat moment someone suggests an arbitrary conference system that doesn't allow for a Showdown/Derby/Q-Clash/Old North Dolphins-off Grand Final.

 

[GranFormaggi]

Richmond would love that idea.

They'd finish 11th

 

[Ant Bear]

Wouldn't that be the conferences?

Vic clubs in 1 and everyone else in the other?

Or North, Melbourne, St Kilda, Bull Dogs, Geelong will in one half

The two SA teams must be in the same conference to accomodate two showdowns per year. Same applies to the two WA teams, the two Qld teams and the two NSW teams. The 4 big Victorian clubs, Collingwood, Richmond, Carlton and Essendon would form a bloc for the same reason, and have to be grouped with either the SA teams or the WA teams to ensure an equal amount of interstate trips as the other Victorian teams. Hawthorn and Geelong would want to be grouped together also, but North and Hawthorn would need to be separated to keep Tasmanian away games in their conferences equal. The other four Victorian teams are basically fillers.
So my conferences would be: Adelaide, Port, Hawthorn, Geelong, St Kilda, Melbourne in South Conference. West Coast, Fremantle, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, Richmond in West Conference. Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney, GWS, North, Western Bulldogs in North Conference.
The conference system will happen one day and will look very similar to this with perhaps a couple of variations in where the filler teams place. You know it makes sense.

Simples.

 

[Ant Bear]

If we have 2 conferences then 1 would have WCE/Freo/Adel/Port and the other Brisb/GC/Syd/GWS.

The 10 Vic clubs would be split between the conferences.

Two conferences equals 25 games. Won't happen.

Edit: Unless AFLPA relinquishes bye rounds, or allows the AFL to start the season 3 weeks early. Not even remotely likely.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The only way to have a fair draw is a conference system.

Just get it done.

A conference system is fairer but its not a fair draw. A fair draw is home and away with similar travel requirements and similar number of rest days between games. A conference system is fairer but still has issues.

 

[Coobk001]

A conference system is fairer but its not a fair draw. A fair draw is home and away with similar travel requirements and similar number of rest days between games. A conference system is fairer but still has issues.

True. The key to it all is we are basically playing in a conference style draw right now, we just haven't had the balls to create conferences and make it so that the teams are appropriately measured fairly against sides that played the same opposition.

There are so many ways to do conferences that add extra spectacles, make it fairer if one conference is stronger than another, etc. All we have to do is get off our asses and get it done.


Ie. West = PA, WCE, AD, FREO + 2 Vic teams, drawn at random every year in a big AFL draw party.

South = 6 vic sides. You can also group vic sides into groups of 2 to ensure that sides that must play each other twice get to.

North = BL, GCS, GWS, SYDNEY, +2 vics.

All this would ensure less travel, 2 derbys a year, more regional rivalry and also as I said above you can work out ways of grouping the vic sides and/or raffling them into different conferences every year to make it interesting.

play 22 games still. 1 against everyone and your division 1 more time.

Can play a finals system with top 2 from each conference plus a couple wildcards from the next 4 best records.

Draft order could be worked out based on the results of an average result against all teams. Ie. Average the 2 games in your own conference out and then compare on a 17 game basis.

Etc.

It can be done, it can make things fairer, but will the AFL have the balls to pull the trigger.


Hell there is no reason a 25 game 2 conference system with no preseason couldn't work.

 

[Coobk001]

Dislike the idea of a conference system. Will not be remotely fair in relation to exposure, prime time playing, playing glamour clubs, especially when it comes to having 10 Vic teams.

Technically we are pretty much in a conference system style draw right now. Our conference this year would be:

Adel
Freo
Carlton
Sydney
Melb
Port.

A proper conference system would've had all those sides in our div play the same opposition twice the way we have and everyone else once. Meaning we would be measured fairly to see who the best teams in our conference are.