Stats questions

[red+black]

In 1988 Richmond and St Kilda played in Round 13, they then clashed again in Round 16.

Is this the closest two teams have played twice against each other in a home and away season. ?

Of course you mean apart from 1916 where every team played every other team every 3 weeks.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Of course you mean apart from 1916 where every team played every other team every 3 weeks.

Except that year of course, now that was a year where you could tank and win the flag.

 

[*Paul*]

Round 11, 1952 was a repeat of Rd 8. However Ess v Gee in Rd 8 was played on a Monday, they met again 19 days later.

 

[*Paul*]

possibly been answered but list of players who have polled 3 votes and their side has lost by 30+ pts? could you also make it for 50+ pts.

if the list isn't too big could you also do it for 2+ votes in 50+ losses.

thanks

Biggest losses with three votes

97 Gary Ablett               Gold Coast v Collingwood                     20120603
92 Gary Ablett               Gold Coast v St Kilda                        20120408
69 Gary Ablett               Gold Coast v Adelaide                        20120331
65 Greg Williams             Geelong v Western Bulldogs                   19850413
60 Anthony McGregor          Fitzroy v Richmond                           19940820
59 David Bain                Brisbane Bears v West Coast                  19900520
57 Gary Ablett               Gold Coast v Adelaide                        20110514
55 Darren Millane            Collingwood v Melbourne                      19870815
54 Mick Dwyer                St Kilda v Essendon                          19890429
53 Chris Judd                Carlton v Collingwood                        20100502
53 Brendon Goddard           Essendon v West Coast                        20130811
52 Nathan Buckley            Collingwood v Brisbane Lions                 19980628
51 Adam Goodes               Sydney v Geelong                             20090509
50 Zeno Tzatzaris            Western Bulldogs v Geelong                   19890812
50 Gary Ablett               Gold Coast v Fremantle                       20110702
50 Clinton King              Collingwood v Richmond                       19990417
48 Danny Hughes              Melbourne v Fitzroy                          19870627
47 Wayne Carey               North Melbourne v Western Bulldogs           19920801
47 Tony Lockett              St Kilda v Melbourne                         19870418
46 Paul Kelly                Sydney v Western Bulldogs                    19920725
46 Chris Daniher             Essendon v Geelong                           19920829
45 Tony Shaw                 Collingwood v Western Bulldogs               19850824
45 Nick Holland              Hawthorn v North Melbourne                   19950826
45 Mil Hanna                 Carlton v Melbourne                          19910413
44 Matthew Knights           Richmond v West Coast                        19930411
44 Gilbert McAdam            Brisbane Bears v North Melbourne             19950625
43 Nathan Buckley            Brisbane Bears v Hawthorn                    19930508
43 Keith Greig               North Melbourne v Melbourne                  19840707
43 John Mossop               Geelong v Essendon                           19840519
42 Harley Bennell            Gold Coast v Melbourne                       20120805
42 Derek Kickett             Sydney v Hawthorn                            19950612
41 Scott West                Western Bulldogs v Fremantle                 20040704
41 Geoff Cunningham          St Kilda v Hawthorn                          19850803
41 Craig Bradley             Carlton v Adelaide                           19970803
41 Brent Moloney             Melbourne v Carlton                          20100605
40 Ray Hall                  Richmond v Sydney                            20020831
40 Martin Pike               Fitzroy v Collingwood                        19960721
39 Mark Coughlan             Richmond v Essendon                          20030817
39 Craig Bradley             Carlton v Essendon                           19990325
39 Andrew McLeod             Adelaide v Fremantle                         19990613
39 Adem Yze                  Melbourne v Geelong                          20030808
38 Patrick Dangerfield       Adelaide v Richmond                          20130615
38 Gary Frangalas            Richmond v Geelong                           19880820
38 Darren Carlson            Brisbane Bears v North Melbourne             19870628
38 Allan Sidebottom          St Kilda v Melbourne                         19840825
37 Paul Roos                 Fitzroy v West Coast                         19900701
37 Paul Kelly                Sydney v St Kilda                            19930801
37 Nathan Burke              St Kilda v North Melbourne                   19950701
37 Mark Mercuri              Essendon v Port Adelaide                     19990711
37 Greg Burns                St Kilda v North Melbourne                   19860802
37 Daniel Kerr               West Coast v Collingwood                     20060722
36 Paul Kelly                Sydney v West Coast                          19960518
35 Nathan Buckley            Collingwood v St Kilda                       19980614
34 Scott West                Western Bulldogs v Collingwood               20060526
34 Greg Phillips             Collingwood v Sydney                         19860406
34 Barry Hall                St Kilda v Western Bulldogs                  20010721
33 Simon Black               Brisbane Lions v Collingwood                 20070526
33 David Hale                North Melbourne v Geelong                    20080824
33 David Cloke               Richmond v Collingwood                       19910824
33 Damian Drum               Geelong v Hawthorn                           19860525
33 Brayden Lyle              Port Adelaide v Essendon                     19970406
33 Andrew Jarman             Adelaide v Fitzroy                           19950520
33 Adrian Fletcher           Fremantle v Sydney                           19990821
32 Martin Pike               Fitzroy v Adelaide                           19960406
32 Justin Charles            Richmond v North Melbourne                   19960901
32 Brad Tunbridge            Sydney v Richmond                            19920517
31 Tony Lockett              St Kilda v Geelong                           19840428
31 Tom Liberatore            Western Bulldogs v Essendon                  20130714
31 Shaun Burgoyne            Port Adelaide v Collingwood                  20080815
31 Michael McLean            Brisbane Bears v Essendon                    19910427
31 Brad Johnson              Western Bulldogs v Hawthorn                  20000422
30 Paul Roos                 Fitzroy v West Coast                         19920814
30 Mark Zanotti              Fitzroy v North Melbourne                    19950513
30 Darren Crocker            North Melbourne v Essendon                   19900616

 

[*Paul*]

Two votes (but not three)

98 Scott West                Western Bulldogs v Carlton                   19950415
82 Ryan Griffen              Western Bulldogs v Sydney                    20120819
78 Marc Murphy               Carlton v Hawthorn                           20080830
78 Joel Bowden               Richmond v Port Adelaide                     20040522
77 David Bain                Brisbane Bears v St Kilda                    19900602
76 Stewart Loewe             St Kilda v Essendon                          19950819
75 Matthew Scarlett          Geelong v Port Adelaide                      20020518
73 Jim Stynes                Melbourne v Geelong                          19920711
72 Peter Daicos              Collingwood v Hawthorn                       19860816
71 Stewart Loewe             St Kilda v Geelong                           19870627
71 Robert DiPierdomenico     Hawthorn v North Melbourne                   19840811
69 Nicky Winmar              St Kilda v North Melbourne                   19940402
68 Peter Moore               Melbourne v Hawthorn                         19850408
67 Kym Koster                Adelaide v Western Bulldogs                  19980607
67 Greg Williams             Sydney v Melbourne                           19900811
66 Nathan Buckley            Collingwood v Essendon                       20030425
66 Colin Sylvia              Melbourne v Collingwood                      20090608
65 Dayne Zorko               Brisbane Lions v Hawthorn                    20120617
63 John Rombotis             Fitzroy v Carlton                            19960511
62 Trent Cotchin             Richmond v Geelong                           20110724
61 Ryan OKeefe               Sydney v Carlton                             20090718
60 Gary Keane                Fitzroy v Hawthorn                           19870808
60 David Bain                Brisbane Bears v Adelaide                    19920426
59 Michael Mitchell          Richmond v Brisbane Bears                    19900331
59 Matthew Pavlich           Fremantle v Melbourne                        20060513
59 Jeremy Cameron            Greater Western Sydney v Geelong             20130608
59 Jack Steven               St Kilda v Sydney                            20130818
59 Gary Ablett               Gold Coast v North Melbourne                 20110611
59 Clem Michael              Fremantle v Hawthorn                         20000527
58 Shaun Smith               Melbourne v Geelong                          19960720
58 Nathan Burke              St Kilda v West Coast                        19950722
57 Paul Kelly                Sydney v Hawthorn                            19930404
57 Nick Riewoldt             St Kilda v Melbourne                         20040711
57 Kym Hodgeman              North Melbourne v Hawthorn                   19840526
57 Derek Kickett             Essendon v Geelong                           19920516
57 Daniel Kerr               West Coast v Hawthorn                        20080627
57 Dale Weightman            Richmond v Hawthorn                          19870704
56 Todd Viney                Melbourne v North Melbourne                  19970720
55 Dane Swan                 Collingwood v Hawthorn                       20130414
54 Ryan Griffen              Western Bulldogs v North Melbourne           20130511
54 Ben Cousins               West Coast v Port Adelaide                   20020505
53 Chris Judd                Carlton v North Melbourne                    20120713
52 Shane Woewodin            Melbourne v Adelaide                         19970608
52 Peter Caven               Fitzroy v Geelong                            19920808
52 Kane Johnson              Richmond v West Coast                        20030524
52 Gary Ablett               Gold Coast v Geelong                         20130601
52 David Ackerly             Sydney v Carlton                             19840603
52 Brad Hardie               Western Bulldogs v Melbourne                 19860517
51 Michael Voss              Brisbane Lions v St Kilda                    20060902
51 Allan McKellar            Richmond v West Coast                        19890806
51 Adrian Fletcher           Fremantle v Geelong                          19990829
50 Heath Scotland            Carlton v Hawthorn                           20100523
50 Greg Strachan             Richmond v Geelong                           19850601
50 Daniel Cross              Western Bulldogs v St Kilda                  20060825
50 Brian Winton              Essendon v Hawthorn                          19870822
50 Brett Ebert               Port Adelaide v Essendon                     20120714

 

[*Paul*]

Port were have been +30 in back to back weeks for inside 50 differential, any teams besides Geelong in 2011 done this before?

No.
GWS managed a streak of four the other way RDs 12-15, 2012.

 

[twarby]

thanks *Paul* how many total games have had a margin of 30 & 50pts?

 

[*Paul*]

If you mean overall
50+ 3114
30+ 6558
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/biglists/bg5.txt

If you mean where the votes can be identified i.e. H&A 1984-2013, it's 1383 and 2631.

 

[Ron The Bear]

In 1988 Richmond and St Kilda played in Round 13, they then clashed again in Round 16.

Is this the closest two teams have played twice against each other in a home and away season. ?

In 1943 both Essendon & Fitzroy and Richmond & Footscray met in Rounds 11 and 13.

In 1988 Brisbane met Hawthorn in Rounds 12 & 15.

Note that of the 9 examples of 2 & 3-round breaks (1943/1952/1988), Richmond/St.Kilda 1988 was the only pairing where the result was reversed. Essendon/Geelong drew after Essendon won the first match in 1952.

 

[Gibbsy]

What would the reasons for this type of fixturing been? Especially as 'recent' as 1988?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

In 1943 both Essendon & Fitzroy and Richmond & Footscray met in Rounds 11 and 13.

In 1988 Brisbane met Hawthorn in Rounds 12 & 15.

Note that of the 9 examples of 2 & 3-round breaks (1943/1952/1988), Richmond/St.Kilda 1988 was the only pairing where the result was reversed. Essendon/Geelong drew after Essendon won the first match in 1952.

Thanks RTB.

 

[*Paul*]

What would the reasons for this type of fixturing been? Especially as 'recent' as 1988?

It's odd, but not as odd as in the ARL of 1996, where the Reds played Cronulla at the WACA on a Sunday, then repeated the dose six days later and 4,000km away at Endeavour.

 

[red+black]

When was the last time a team had 3 players finish a season with 50+ goals?

Hawks currently have Roughead, Gunston and Bruest with 40+.

Only happened twice in h&a rounds:

1993 North Melbourne (Longmire 75, McAdam 67, Carey 64)
1994 Melbourne (Lyon 64, Schwarz 54, Jakovich 51)

Including finals:
1926 Melbourne (Moyes 55, Davie 50, Johnson 50)
1935 South Melbourne (Pratt 103, Moore 52, Nash 51)
1938 Collingwood (Todd 120, Fothergill 65, Pannam 54)
1971 Richmond (Hart 59, Bartlett 53, Richardson 50)
1972 Richmond (Balme 55, McLean 55, Hart 52)
1977 Hawthorn Hudson 110, Matthews 91, Hendrie 52)
1984 Hawthorn (Matthews 77, Judge 63, Brereton 50)
1993 North Melbourne (Longmire 75, McAdam 68, Carey 64)
1994 Melbourne (Lyon 79, Schwarz 60, Jakovich 51)
2000 Brisbane (Lynch 68, Bradshaw 56, Power 52)

Melbourne 1926 being the only premiers.

Hawthorn joins North Melbourne in 1993 and Melbourne in 1994 to have three players kick 50 goals in the H&A season:
2014 Hawthorn (Roughead 62, Breust 53, Gunston 51)

Breust and Gunston need to get to 55 for either of them to be the 2nd best #3 forward after Carey in 1993.

 

[Ulahoopski]

Anyone know where I might find stats on "players used in a season" for each team throughout each season over the years? I want to see how closely it corelates to finalists/premiers and the also-rans.

 

[The Swert]

Anyone know where I might find stats on "players used in a season" for each team throughout each season over the years? I want to see how closely it corelates to finalists/premiers and the also-rans.

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc.html

 

[Catsace]

Just wondering with the Tiger's 9 wins in a row....would a net H & A season tally of 12 wins be the fewest achieved with such a long winning streak? Just a curio, it's been an intoxicating ride seeing them come from impossible, to mathematical chances, to a bit of a hope, to a possibility, to reality. It smashes the Lions 1984 effort of going from 5-11 to making the top 5, and the Bears of 1995 who went from 4-11 to make the top 8.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

2 questions.

When was the last year where 1 team failed to score 100 or more?

With Geelong's score of 21 17 143 vs Brisbane 12 9 81, when was the last time Geelong scored that much or higher vs Brisbane at Kardinia Park?

 

[Catsace]

2 questions.

When was the last year where 1 team failed to score 100 or more?

With Geelong's score of 21 17 143 vs Brisbane 12 9 81, when was the last time Geelong scored that much or higher vs Brisbane at Kardinia Park?

Geelong's previous high score against the Brisbane Lions at KP was 20.8.128 in Rd 1 2006. They did kick some big ones against the Brisbane Bears though, with 25.29.179 in 1989 being the middle peg of the triple 100-point win sequence.

Geelong's record against the Lions is quite poor given their recent imperious record against almost all sides recently, tonight's win merely squaring the ledger at 14-14 since 1997. Richmond by contrast leads the Lions 15-8-1 in the same period.

 

[twarby]

a list of teams who have won atleast 5 games in a row heading into finals and how they fared in week 1. (for the current finals system)

excluding* any top 4 teams

 

[red+black]

When was the last year where 1 team failed to score 100 or more?

I'm on my phone so can't search easily. This has been discussed a few times in recent weeks. Check the Observations thread.

 

[X_box_X]

Who was the last minor premier to lose both the first and last home and away games?

 

[the croucher]

Anyone know where I might find stats on "players used in a season" for each team throughout each season over the years? I want to see how closely it corelates to finalists/premiers and the also-rans.

The annual AFL Season Guide has in recent years listed the numbers for each club from 1955 season onwards.
Why start with 1955 you may ask - who knows ? Makes no sense to me.

 

[emuboy]

If Geelong happen to win the 2014 premiership (which I doubt they will; Hawthorn and Sydney look way too strong), the West Coast Eagles will be peeved after missing the finals with a percentage of 114, while the Cats percentage is 113, amazingly low for a top 4 team.

In 1932 Geelong themselves missed the finals with the best percentage, with Richmond VFL premiers that season. Are there any other examples where a non-finalist had a better percentage than the eventual premier?

 

[twarby]

If Geelong happen to win the 2014 premiership (which I doubt they will; Hawthorn and Sydney look way too strong), the West Coast Eagles will be peeved after missing the finals with a percentage of 114, while the Cats percentage is 113, amazingly low for a top 4 team.

peeved at themselves for going 0-9 vs the top 8

 

[red+black]

peeved at themselves for going 0-9 vs the top 8

Only team to register 0 wins against top 8 sides

Even the bottom 2 teams St Kilda and Melbourne had 2 wins each against top 8 sides