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Ford Fairlane said:
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Stewy Dew in the Prison Bars jumper. What a sight.
 
We could do with Lade.
Yeah I know 4 of the best but atm we could really do with a ruckman that can mark and kick 70m torps through the big sticks.
 
So Michelle posted this:
"So over this bullshit. The club doesn't give a rats arse about any supporters other than the old Magpies faithful, you know, the ones who don't show up to games when they are losing? Port Magpies have always been fairweather supporters. The ones who can't even fill Alberton on game days anymore, that place used to be packed, standing room only. When I became a member of the Power they were two teams, two clubs. AFL at Alberton and SANFL trained at Ethelton and had new offices on Port Road. When I got the email asking for my opinion on the "One Club" i really don't know why I bothered filling it in....no one listened...I'll continue to support the Power but I don't know if I can continue to support them financially anymore. It's just a joke"

I responded with this:
"Michelle, that's great and all, but with such an uninformed opinion on display, I'm not sure that anyone would care if you change allegiances."

Michelle:
"And why is it uninformed Isaac? You obviously have a problem with reading because I didn't say anything about changing allegiances. Judging by your photo, I've been going to the footy a lot longer than you and you were probably in nappies when the Power were formed."

Me:
"Not sure what my age has to do with anything, Michelle. I'll have you know that the Port Adelaide Football Club is firmly ingrained in my family history. My great-grandfather - Horace Hoare - played for the club, and was one of the men acknowledged by the club on ANZAC Day this year. My grandfather played junior football for Port Adelaide and several other family members represented the club (incuding Dave Gill, a legend of the club, a five-time premiership player). To imply that I know little about our great club, or our great code is simply foolish on your part.

Why is what you said uninformed?

"The club doesn't give a rats arse about any supporters other than the old Magpies faithful," Beyond ridiculous, not sure this requires further explanation...

"You know, the ones who don't show up to games when they are losing? Port Magpies have always been fairweather supporters. The ones who can't even fill Alberton on game days anymore, that place used to be packed, standing room only." Not that I think your point is valid, in any way, but it is typical of almost any sporting club's supporter base to drop off when they aren't performing well. An example of this is the average attendance to SANFL games these days, compared to when the SANFL was in direct competition with the VFL. Now that the SANFL is a second-rate competition, the crowds have severely decreased.

"When I became a member of the Power they were two teams, two clubs. AFL at Alberton and SANFL trained at Ethelton and had new offices on Port Road." This may be true, but that doesn't mean that it was right. The splitting up of the club was a poor marketing decision, and one that has been rectified in recent years. Fortunately, the option to be a 'Power' member is no longer available. We - Magpies and Power supporters alike - plain and simple, are Port Adelaide members.

"When I got the email asking for my opinion on the "One Club" i really don't know why I bothered filling it in....no one listened..." If the opinion you conveyed to the club on the 'One Club' matter is anything like the bile you've been spouting on here, I can tell you why no one listened.

"I don't know if I can continue to support them financially anymore." If you were serious with the above opinions, then quite simply, don't. Don't continue to financially support the PAFC anymore. I personally think that it would be no great loss.

Oh, and do I still have reading problems?"

I shouldn't waste so much time on such stupid people. :(
 
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MrSpeaker said:
So Michelle posted this:
"So over this bullshit. The club doesn't give a rats arse about any supporters other than the old Magpies faithful, you know, the ones who don't show up to games when they are losing? Port Magpies have always been fairweather supporters. The ones who can't even fill Alberton on game days anymore, that place used to be packed, standing room only. When I became a member of the Power they were two teams, two clubs. AFL at Alberton and SANFL trained at Ethelton and had new offices on Port Road. When I got the email asking for my opinion on the "One Club" i really don't know why I bothered filling it in....no one listened...I'll continue to support the Power but I don't know if I can continue to support them financially anymore. It's just a joke"

I responded with this:
"Michelle, that's great and all, but with such an uninformed opinion on display, I'm not sure that anyone would care if you change allegiances."

Michelle:
"And why is it uninformed Isaac? You obviously have a problem with reading because I didn't say anything about changing allegiances. Judging by your photo, I've been going to the footy a lot longer than you and you were probably in nappies when the Power were formed."

Me:
"Not sure what my age has to do with anything, Michelle. I'll have you know that the Port Adelaide Football Club is firmly ingrained in my family history. My great-grandfather - Horace Hoare - played for the club, and was one of the men acknowledged by the club on ANZAC Day this year. My grandfather played junior football for Port Adelaide and several other family members represented the club (incuding Dave Gill, a legend of the club, a five-time premiership player). To imply that I know little about our great club, or our great code is simply foolish on your part.

Why is what you said uninformed?

"The club doesn't give a rats arse about any supporters other than the old Magpies faithful," Beyond ridiculous, not sure this requires further explanation...

"You know, the ones who don't show up to games when they are losing? Port Magpies have always been fairweather supporters. The ones who can't even fill Alberton on game days anymore, that place used to be packed, standing room only." Not that I think your point is valid, in any way, but it is typical of almost any sporting club's supporter base to drop off when they aren't performing well. An example of this is the average attendance to SANFL games these days, compared to when the SANFL was in direct competition with the VFL. Now that the SANFL is a second-rate competition, the crowds have severely decreased.

"When I became a member of the Power they were two teams, two clubs. AFL at Alberton and SANFL trained at Ethelton and had new offices on Port Road." This may be true, but that doesn't mean that it was right. The splitting up of the club was a poor marketing decision, and one that has been rectified in recent years. Fortunately, the option to be a 'Power' member is no longer available. We - Magpies and Power supporters alike - plain and simple, are Port Adelaide members.

"When I got the email asking for my opinion on the "One Club" i really don't know why I bothered filling it in....no one listened..." If the opinion you conveyed to the club on the 'One Club' matter is anything like the bile you've been sprouting on here, I can tell you why no one listened.

"I don't know if I can continue to support them financially anymore." If you were serious with the above opinions, then quite simply, don't. Don't continue to financially support the PAFC anymore. I personally think that it would be no great loss.

Oh, and do I still have reading problems?"

I shouldn't waste so much time on such stupid people. :(
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I'm pretty sure she was the jesterslippers who claimed 'the Magpies broke away from the Power'.
 
MrSpeaker said:
So Michelle posted this:
"So over this bullshit. The club doesn't give a rats arse about any supporters other than the old Magpies faithful, you know, the ones who don't show up to games when they are losing? Port Magpies have always been fairweather supporters. The ones who can't even fill Alberton on game days anymore, that place used to be packed, standing room only. When I became a member of the Power they were two teams, two clubs. AFL at Alberton and SANFL trained at Ethelton and had new offices on Port Road. When I got the email asking for my opinion on the "One Club" i really don't know why I bothered filling it in....no one listened...I'll continue to support the Power but I don't know if I can continue to support them financially anymore. It's just a joke"

I responded with this:
"Michelle, that's great and all, but with such an uninformed opinion on display, I'm not sure that anyone would care if you change allegiances."

Michelle:
"And why is it uninformed Isaac? You obviously have a problem with reading because I didn't say anything about changing allegiances. Judging by your photo, I've been going to the footy a lot longer than you and you were probably in nappies when the Power were formed."

Me:
"Not sure what my age has to do with anything, Michelle. I'll have you know that the Port Adelaide Football Club is firmly ingrained in my family history. My great-grandfather - Horace Hoare - played for the club, and was one of the men acknowledged by the club on ANZAC Day this year. My grandfather played junior football for Port Adelaide and several other family members represented the club (incuding Dave Gill, a legend of the club, a five-time premiership player). To imply that I know little about our great club, or our great code is simply foolish on your part.

Why is what you said uninformed?

"The club doesn't give a rats arse about any supporters other than the old Magpies faithful," Beyond ridiculous, not sure this requires further explanation...

"You know, the ones who don't show up to games when they are losing? Port Magpies have always been fairweather supporters. The ones who can't even fill Alberton on game days anymore, that place used to be packed, standing room only." Not that I think your point is valid, in any way, but it is typical of almost any sporting club's supporter base to drop off when they aren't performing well. An example of this is the average attendance to SANFL games these days, compared to when the SANFL was in direct competition with the VFL. Now that the SANFL is a second-rate competition, the crowds have severely decreased.

"When I became a member of the Power they were two teams, two clubs. AFL at Alberton and SANFL trained at Ethelton and had new offices on Port Road." This may be true, but that doesn't mean that it was right. The splitting up of the club was a poor marketing decision, and one that has been rectified in recent years. Fortunately, the option to be a 'Power' member is no longer available. We - Magpies and Power supporters alike - plain and simple, are Port Adelaide members.

"When I got the email asking for my opinion on the "One Club" i really don't know why I bothered filling it in....no one listened..." If the opinion you conveyed to the club on the 'One Club' matter is anything like the bile you've been spouting on here, I can tell you why no one listened.

"I don't know if I can continue to support them financially anymore." If you were serious with the above opinions, then quite simply, don't. Don't continue to financially support the PAFC anymore. I personally think that it would be no great loss.

Oh, and do I still have reading problems?"

I shouldn't waste so much time on such stupid people. :(
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I like your name :cool:
 
MrSpeaker said:
So Michelle posted this:
"So over this bullshit. The club doesn't give a rats arse about any supporters other than the old Magpies faithful, you know, the ones who don't show up to games when they are losing? Port Magpies have always been fairweather supporters. The ones who can't even fill Alberton on game days anymore, that place used to be packed, standing room only. When I became a member of the Power they were two teams, two clubs. AFL at Alberton and SANFL trained at Ethelton and had new offices on Port Road. When I got the email asking for my opinion on the "One Club" i really don't know why I bothered filling it in....no one listened...I'll continue to support the Power but I don't know if I can continue to support them financially anymore. It's just a joke"

I responded with this:
"Michelle, that's great and all, but with such an uninformed opinion on display, I'm not sure that anyone would care if you change allegiances."

Michelle:
"And why is it uninformed Isaac? You obviously have a problem with reading because I didn't say anything about changing allegiances. Judging by your photo, I've been going to the footy a lot longer than you and you were probably in nappies when the Power were formed."

Me:
"Not sure what my age has to do with anything, Michelle. I'll have you know that the Port Adelaide Football Club is firmly ingrained in my family history. My great-grandfather - Horace Hoare - played for the club, and was one of the men acknowledged by the club on ANZAC Day this year. My grandfather played junior football for Port Adelaide and several other family members represented the club (incuding Dave Gill, a legend of the club, a five-time premiership player). To imply that I know little about our great club, or our great code is simply foolish on your part.

Why is what you said uninformed?

"The club doesn't give a rats arse about any supporters other than the old Magpies faithful," Beyond ridiculous, not sure this requires further explanation...

"You know, the ones who don't show up to games when they are losing? Port Magpies have always been fairweather supporters. The ones who can't even fill Alberton on game days anymore, that place used to be packed, standing room only." Not that I think your point is valid, in any way, but it is typical of almost any sporting club's supporter base to drop off when they aren't performing well. An example of this is the average attendance to SANFL games these days, compared to when the SANFL was in direct competition with the VFL. Now that the SANFL is a second-rate competition, the crowds have severely decreased.

"When I became a member of the Power they were two teams, two clubs. AFL at Alberton and SANFL trained at Ethelton and had new offices on Port Road." This may be true, but that doesn't mean that it was right. The splitting up of the club was a poor marketing decision, and one that has been rectified in recent years. Fortunately, the option to be a 'Power' member is no longer available. We - Magpies and Power supporters alike - plain and simple, are Port Adelaide members.

"When I got the email asking for my opinion on the "One Club" i really don't know why I bothered filling it in....no one listened..." If the opinion you conveyed to the club on the 'One Club' matter is anything like the bile you've been spouting on here, I can tell you why no one listened.

"I don't know if I can continue to support them financially anymore." If you were serious with the above opinions, then quite simply, don't. Don't continue to financially support the PAFC anymore. I personally think that it would be no great loss.

Oh, and do I still have reading problems?"

I shouldn't waste so much time on such stupid people. :(
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Great smackdown, but if I could pick up one point ... the splitting of the club was not a marketing decision, but a move forced on Port Adelaide by the other SANFL clubs. RussellEbertHandball has previously cited this 2002 document put out by the club explaining the licence bid - below is the relevant section:

5. Negotiations with SANFL Directors and Commission re Magpies in the SANFL

- SANFL clubs lodged letters of concerns relating to the Magpies continued involvement in the SANFL following the entry of the PAFC into the AFL. These letters to the SANFL Commission strongly pushed the below points:-
--- The Magpies should not remain in the SANFL competition thereby enabling a reduction to 8 teams.
--- No joint administration facilities should occur.
--- The Magpies should not train at Alberton.
--- There should be no joint sponsorship and membership arrangements between the Magpies and the Power.
--- There be no common employees or Directors in both clubs.
--- Licence Club profit share tendered by the PAFC to the Magpies at 15% was too high.
--- The Magpies would have an advantage in recruiting players if linked with the Power.
--- The AFL facilities should not be accessible to the Magpies.
--- There should be no financial links, loans or any funding between the Magpies and the AFL club.

- The Port Adelaide Board in 1995 obtained legal opinions on the power of SANFL league Directors to expel the Magpies from the competition and were ready to defend this issue. The SANFL Commission was supportive of the PAFC remaining in the SANFL competition.

- During 2 months of negotiations and various SANFL Directors meetings, certain conditions were imposed in the sub-licence agreement that was signed on 26 November 1996. These included:-
--- No promotion or joint membership packages with the Magpies SANFL club.
--- No joint fundraising activities.
--- Any proposed joint activities between the SANFL club and the AFL club must be approved by the SANFL Commission.

- Separate resolutions of the SANFL Directors further imposed:-
--- The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club must not train at Alberton.
--- The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club must not operate administration from Alberton Oval.
 

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Ford Fairlane said:
Great smackdown, but if I could pick up one point ... the splitting of the club was not a marketing decision, but a move forced on Port Adelaide by the other SANFL clubs. RussellEbertHandball has previously cited this 2002 document put out by the club explaining the licence bid - below is the relevant section:

5. Negotiations with SANFL Directors and Commission re Magpies in the SANFL

- SANFL clubs lodged letters of concerns relating to the Magpies continued involvement in the SANFL following the entry of the PAFC into the AFL. These letters to the SANFL Commission strongly pushed the below points:-
--- The Magpies should not remain in the SANFL competition thereby enabling a reduction to 8 teams.
--- No joint administration facilities should occur.
--- The Magpies should not train at Alberton.
--- There should be no joint sponsorship and membership arrangements between the Magpies and the Power.
--- There be no common employees or Directors in both clubs.
--- Licence Club profit share tendered by the PAFC to the Magpies at 15% was too high.
--- The Magpies would have an advantage in recruiting players if linked with the Power.
--- The AFL facilities should not be accessible to the Magpies.
--- There should be no financial links, loans or any funding between the Magpies and the AFL club.

- The Port Adelaide Board in 1995 obtained legal opinions on the power of SANFL league Directors to expel the Magpies from the competition and were ready to defend this issue. The SANFL Commission was supportive of the PAFC remaining in the SANFL competition.

- During 2 months of negotiations and various SANFL Directors meetings, certain conditions were imposed in the sub-licence agreement that was signed on 26 November 1996. These included:-
--- No promotion or joint membership packages with the Magpies SANFL club.
--- No joint fundraising activities.
--- Any proposed joint activities between the SANFL club and the AFL club must be approved by the SANFL Commission.

- Separate resolutions of the SANFL Directors further imposed:-
--- The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club must not train at Alberton.
--- The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club must not operate administration from Alberton Oval.
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Fair point. I should've been more clear (doesn't matter now) but I was more so referring to the splitting in identity. I.e. the Power teal and new, and the Magpies black and white and old.
 
MrSpeaker said:
Fair point. I should've been more clear (doesn't matter now) but I was more so referring to the splitting in identity. I.e. the Power teal and new, and the Magpies black and white and old.
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It's always been a sore point with me. Port supporters claiming the Power kicked the Magpies to the side of the road when that is so far from the truth it's not funny. Another propaganda win by the dark side.

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, Hitler said If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
It's always been a sore point with me. Port supporters claiming the Power kicked the Magpies to the side of the road when that is so far from the truth it's not funny. Another propaganda win by the dark side.

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, Hitler said If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
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That has always been our enemies weapon. The truth is devastatingly damaging to them
 
Ford Fairlane said:
It's always been a sore point with me. Port supporters claiming the Power kicked the Magpies to the side of the road when that is so far from the truth it's not funny. Another propaganda win by the dark side.
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That's pretty much the holy grail of their entire raison d'être.

Then they incorporate a halftruth such as "and to top it all off Choco wouldn't let the Magpies train on Alberton for finals (1999)" or cite a hatchetpiece like the one by Porter "the Power even took the Magpies' phone number!" and it gets chinese whispered into lore, like every other creation myth that nourishes the SANFL's monopoly.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
It's always been a sore point with me. Port supporters claiming the Power kicked the Magpies to the side of the road when that is so far from the truth it's not funny. Another propaganda win by the dark side.

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, Hitler said If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
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Have edited my original comment on facebook, as I certainly agree with you.
 
I_Dont_Care said:
That has always been our enemies weapon. The truth is devastatingly damaging to them
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When you shine a light under a rock the cockroaches scurry away.
 
MrSpeaker said:
Have edited my original comment on facebook, as I certainly agree with you.
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Didn't mean to go all didactic on you :oops: (I was thinking of saying pedagogical but that could have opened a whole new can of worms :p)
 
I_Dont_Care said:
Except for John Olsen...his feet are too greasy...he just runs on the spot
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If I had been drinking coffee it would be spraying out of my nostrils. :D
 
One last bit of clarification from the 2002 document, Port Adelaide wanted the Magpies to remain in the SANFL run as an independent club but with strong links to the AFL club:

The Port Adelaide Football Club lodged its tender document on 14 September 1994 and addressed the below issues that impacted on the SANFL competition and the Magpies.

--- The PAFC promoted strongly the idea of promotional zones with 4 SANFL clubs attached to each of the Crows and Port Adelaide.
--- The tender document strongly supported the continuation of the Magpies in the SANFL competition.
--- As part of the tender the Outback Odyssey would be run by the AFL club.
--- There was acknowledgement that to maximise the success of the Magpies it should operate as a separate organisation to the AFL club.
--- The document encouraged and promoted cross membership packages between the Magpies and the AFL club.
--- The PAFC tender document did not support nor agree to the pre-condition of a merger to create 8 SANFL teams was fundamental to the granting of the licence.

The conditions in the SANFL tender document specified applicants had to include how the SANFL competition would be reduced to 8 teams. Port Adelaide disputed this and won.
 
Nothing have I heard today in the media nor from the horse's mouth a legitimate reason as to why we have to accommodate to an away team.

I am very disappointed, angry and for some reason not surprised with the AFL policies on how it has to come to this.

I don't understand the anger there is for us to wear the PB, and why we should be in our Black White & TEAL. Does it matter, we have had over 20 different jumper designs in our history until the PB was favoured by many to stay. We now have the BiB jumper which is again favoured by many and here to stay, but again I stress, what does it matter?

I understand the anger from "True Magpie Supporters", but they need to let go of yesteryears and look to our future together as one in the big league, because a majority of the new Port supporters jumping on board now (just because we are winning and at a new stadium) weren't even born when Port entered the AFL. However, these supporters know what the PB jumper is about and they wouldn't care less what we are to wear on Sunday. Comments on how this will divide the club is nonsense by wearing the PB, I thought we have been through this already. (ground hog)

FFS, we hold aloft a scarf that says, "Never Tear US Apart".......... so no matter what the SANFL or AFL and or opposition supporters have to say or think, WE ARE PORT ADELAIDE, both Magpies and Power, always will be, you can't change history.

And its not all about the jumper, its about the men who take the field together in combat who can identify each other with a colours from the opposition, but then again, when you look at a PB jumper, one instantly thinks, "Success, Strong, Invincible", however the younger supporter base doesn't see that, cause they haven't lived in it, the 70'& 80's.

Now lets get on with the game........... Lets get ready to RUMMMMBLLLE!!!
 
Any "True Magpie Supporters" should be over the moon with this decision, being allowed to see the PBs in AFL action again, and in a final no less.

If you mean Magpie supporters that aren't Power supporters, well they aren't Port people and as such don't count even a little bit.

The poor decision making that led to this happened years ago (and I guess every year since as clash jumpers are reviewed). Richmond's clash jumper is clearly inadequate and if that wasn't painfully obvious when West Coast had to wear their 3rd strip at home, it definitely is now.

This week there were 3 options.

1. Go with what the AFL ordered
2. Force Richmond to scramble to get an alternative made.
3. Think outside the box and use the leverage we gained by making noise about this to get something we want.

The Prison Bars is a good result. Yes, it's not ideal that we can't wear our home, but we've made the absolute best out of a bad situation and made something that will be a genuine thrill to Port Adelaide people everywhere.

I know people have potted Richmond (Jesus Christ I know we go on about them but the morons on facebook!) but given their very sparse finals history over the last 3 decades, I'm happy for them that they get to wear their famous home strip on Sunday and not the garbage clash.

Make no mistake, any time between 1997-2012, we'd have rolled over and taken our medicine and worn a clash kit at home because we were told to. Not the KT/Koch regime. It's outside the box thinking, it's being able to leverage a situation for benefit, and it's about honouring everything that makes the Port Adelaide Football Club great. We have genuinely great people running our club at the moment.
 
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