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red+black said:
If Cyrol Rioli plays, he will have missed 12 weekends of football.

In relatively recent times, which players have played a grand final after missing 10+ weeks?

If the result set is very small, go for 8+ or 6+ weeks.
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Most games missed, last 50 years:

Days|Gms|Gm #|Player|Club|Year|Res
\364|25|160|O'Halloran, David|Ha|1985|L
\174|22|44|Neill, Robert|St|1997|L
\147|18|3|Blethyn, Geoff|Es|1968|L
\133|14|20|Ronaldson, John|Ri|1967|W
\126|16|3|Catoggio, Vin|Ca|1973|L
\104|12|20|Symes, Brad|PA|2007|L
\98|12|8|Murnane, Peter|Ha|1976|W
\92|11|192|Baker, Steven|St|2010|D
\84|10|18|Beams, Ben|Me|2000|L
\78|7|67|Murphy, Fraser|Ca|1987|W
\70|8|48|O'Connell, John M.|Ca|1973|L
\63|6|25|Bond, K. Shane|Co|1977|D
\63|6|15|Perry, Chris|Co|1977|L
\62|7|26|Butler, Sam|WC|2005|L
All-time:

Days|Gms|Gm #|Player|Club|Year|Res
\1946|110|2|Cordner, Denis|Me|1948|D
\385|17|189|Rowell, Ted|Co|1915|L
\378|17|24|Calwell, George|Ca|1916|L
\371|20|320|Reynolds, Dick|Es|1951|L
\364|25|160|O'Halloran, David|Ha|1985|L
\357|21|150|Cassin, Jack W.|Es|1947|L
\350|14|25|Morris, Jimmy|Ca|1916|L
\174|22|44|Neill, Robert|St|1997|L
\154|17|18|Brenchley, Peter|Me|1958|L
\147|18|3|Blethyn, Geoff|Es|1968|L
\133|14|20|Ronaldson, John|Ri|1967|W
\126|16|3|Catoggio, Vin|Ca|1973|L
\117|13|38|Robinson, George|Ri|1927|L
\112|13|9|Anderson, Jack Y.|Ri|1933|L
\112|12|101|O'Halloran, Tom H.|Ri|1931|L
\105|12|8|Farmer, Horrie C.|Ri|1933|L
\104|12|20|Symes, Brad|PA|2007|L
\98|12|8|Murnane, Peter|Ha|1976|W
Rioli will be 10 games/91 days
 
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Has there ever been an instance of a player polling a vote when their team has lost by 100 or more points?
 

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Oooh, not a lot of wins in there for the returning players!

Poor Brad Symes, promoted after 12 weeks for a record Grand Final hiding. His next two matches were a premiership with Central District (SANFL) then Round 1 2008 with Adelaide, a three-point loss in which he gave away six of the Crows' 20 free kicks. In his final year on Adelaide's list he won the Magarey Medal (2012).

Ron The Bear said:
Days|Gms|Gm #|Player|Club|Year|Res
\104|12|20|Symes, Brad|PA|2007|L
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Ron The Bear said:
The percentage of votes (excluding drawn matches from the total) to players in losing teams last night was 18.36% - the third-highest ratio since 1984 after 20.74 (1985) and 19.52 (1987).
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That's a welcome development, the trend had been steadily towards more votes for winners over the past 30 years.

Then I made the mistake of listening to five minutes of SEN this morning to hear some nong complaining about 3-votes going to players on losing teams! It's for the best player on the ground, who by any objective measure is often on the team that happens to finish behind on the scoreboard. Even Howcroft was attacking the system the other day, proposing a "winner's premium" for votes. Grrr.

Rourke's Rule: in a game between two contestants of similar skill, the winner is more likely to be the luckier one than the more skilful one.

(if necessary, this rant can be moved to a different thread)
 
RedmanWasHere said:
Not sure where this in terms of being stump-worthy but who were the first players per team to be reported during a game and, further to that, each club's first player suspension?
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From "Football's Black Book" by Jim Main (1998), this is each club's first reported player and first player found guilty of a charge (where the first player reported was not penalised).

At the back of the book is a statistics section in which Main lists "every report and charge ever made in AFL football from 1898 to March 1998. (This includes matches in practice competition, preseason competitions as well as interstate and premiership games.)"


Club | Player | Season | Charge | Guilty | Penalty
\Adelaide|Michael Murphy|1991|striking|yes|3 weeks
\Brisbane Bears|Bernard Harris|1987|time wasting|no|-
\|Geoff Raines|1987|striking|yes|2 weeks
\Brisbane Lions|Justin Leppitsch|1997|face gouging|no|-
\|Craig Lambert|1997|wrestling|yes|$52
\Carlton|Bill McNamara|1901|wrestling|yes|reprimanded
\Collingwood|Dick Condon|1900|swearing at umpire|yes|3 weeks
\Essendon|Albert Thurgood|1902|striking|yes|3 weeks
\Fitzroy|Bill Dalton|1900|not listed|yes|1 week
\Footscray|Rupert Gibb|1925|kicking|no|-
\|Fred Ulbrick|1925|attempted kicking|yes|4 weeks
\Fremantle|Craig Nettelbeck|1995|wrestling|no|-
\|Winston Abraham|1995|striking|yes|3 weeks
\Geelong|Jack Conway|1899|unduly rough play|no|-
\|Joe McShane|1899|bad language/rough play|yes|reprimanded
\Hawthorn|Wal Williams|1925|disputing decisions/insulting language|yes|12 weeks
\Melbourne|Dan Moriarty|1900|not listed|yes|reprimanded
\North Melbourne|Albie Linton|1925|elbowing|yes|6 weeks
\Port Adelaide|Gavin Wanganeen|1997|striking|yes|1 week
\Richmond|Herbert Hill|1908|striking|yes|2 weeks
\St. Kilda|Bill Matthews|1898|unduly rough play|yes|reprimanded
\South Melbourne|Joe Garbutt|1899|unduly rough play|yes|reprimanded
\University|Carl Willis|1912|striking|yes|4 weeks
\West Coast|Alex Ishchenko|1987|striking|yes|1 week


St. Kilda's Bill Matthews was the first player ever to be reported. University's Carl Willis was the only University player to be reported during their brief existence.
 
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KennyK said:
Has there ever been an instance of a player polling a vote when their team has lost by 100 or more points?
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Scott Watters (1) Sy v NM 1993 R6 L124
Nathan Buckley (1) Br v Es 1993 R14 L116
Matthew Primus (1) Fi v NM 1996 R9 L105
Brad Hardie (1) Br v Ca 1987 R10 L103
Matt Priddis (1) WC v Co 2008 R10 L100

Three Medal winners...
 
Thanks very much Ron.

Would someone please be able to fill out this table below for Grand Finals only? Home team first. TIA.

Year|Team 1|H&A Ladder position|W/L|Score|Team 2|H&A Ladder position|W/L|Score
 
RedmanWasHere said:
RogersResults.

What's the highest average winning margin in a season in VFL/AFL history and the lowest?

swans4eva! The WAFL.

Whoever is BigFooty's SANFL stats nut, the question above.
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biggest avereage winning margin in the WAFL is 85 points by East Fremantle in 2006. The most amazing thing bout this record is they only won 4 games and finished last. They won their 4 games by 77, 94, 100 and 71 points. I have attached the top 10.
 

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swans4eva! said:
biggest avereage winning margin in the WAFL is 85 points by East Fremantle in 2006. The most amazing thing bout this record is they only won 4 games and finished last. They won their 4 games by 77, 94, 100 and 71 points. I have attached the top 10.
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Cheers but I'm talking about a season average like, a season could've seen the average margin being 66 points for that season, not a particular team.
 
stemline said:
Hawks have set a club record winning 6 finals in a row. What's the overall record, and best for each club?
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Team | Wins | Sequence
\Adelaide|4|1997 1st Qual, 1997 2nd semi, 1997 1st Pre, 1997 GF
\Brisbane Bears|2|1996 2nd Qual, 1996 2nd semi
\Brisbane Lions|6|2001 2nd Qual, 2001 2nd Pre, 2001 GF, 2002 2nd Qual, 2002 2nd Pre, 2002 GF
\Carlton|8|1906 2nd semi, 1906 GF, 1907 2nd semi, 1907 GF, 1908 2nd semi, 1908 GF, 1909 1st semi, 1909 Pre
\Collingwood|6|1935 Pre, 1935 GF, 1936 2nd semi, 1936 GF, 1937 1st semi, 1937 Pre
\Essendon|7|1949 1st semi, 1949 Pre, 1949 GF, 1950 2nd semi, 1950 GF, 1951 1st semi, 1951 Pre
\Fitzroy|6|1904 2nd semi, 1904 GF, 1905 1st semi, 1905 Pre, 1905 GF, 1906 1st semi
\Footscray|3|1954 2nd semi, 1954 GF, 1956 1st semi
\Fremantle|2|2013 2nd Qual, 2013 2nd Pre
\Geelong|5|2007 1st Qual, 2007 1st Pre, 2007 GF, 2008 1st Qual, 2008 1st Pre
\Hawthorn|6|2013 1st Qual, 2013 1st Pre, 2013 GF, 2014 2nd Qual, 2014 2nd Pre, 2014 GF
\Melbourne|6|1940 Pre, 1940 GF, 1941 2nd semi, 1941 GF, 1946 1st semi, 1946 Pre
\North Melbourne|3|1996 3rd Qual, 1996 1st Pre, 1996 GF AND 1999 3rd Qual, 1999 1st Pre, 1999 GF
\Port Adelaide|4|2004 1st Qual, 2004 1st Pre, 2004 GF, 2005 1st Elim
\Richmond|7|1973 1st semi, 1973 Pre, 1973 GF, 1974 2nd semi, 1974 GF, 1975 Elim, 1975 1st semi
\St. Kilda|2|6 occasions, in the finals series of 1913, 1966, 1972, 1997, 2009 and 2010
\South/Sydney|5|2005 2nd semi, 2005 1st Pre, 2005 GF, 2006 1st Qual, 2006 1st Pre
\West Coast|4|1992 1st Elim, 1992 2nd semi, 1992 GF, 1993 2nd Elim
 
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Pretty sure that North have played six 2nd semi finals under the double chance rule of winning that and therefore going straight to the GF, and losing the lot! Lucky they have had a pretty good record in PF's, having won 5 in succession from 1974-1978.
 
Is it possible to generate a list of players who left one team, St Kilda, and played in a Premiership elsewhere. The Saints list would include McEvoy, Guerra, Ball.....

Which team has had the most leave to play in a Premiership team?
 
kosifantutti said:
Is it possible to generate a list of players who left one team, St Kilda, and played in a Premiership elsewhere. The Saints list would include McEvoy, Guerra, Ball.....

Which team has had the most leave to play in a Premiership team?
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Player|Club|Year|Clubs|Career
\Purse, Jack|Me|1900|St,Me|1898-1908
\McLeod, George|Es|1911,12|St,Es|1897-1913
\Hazel, Ern|Es|1911|St,Me,Es|1909-1912
\Brown, Ted V.|Ca|1914,15|St,Ca|1911-1920
\Turnbull, Norm|Ri|1921|St,Ri|1914-1923
\Tymms, Bill|Me|1926|St,Me|1922-1933
\Moyes, Harry|Me|1926|St,Me|1915-1927
\Roberts, Frank|Me|1939,40|St,Me|1933-1941
\Rae, Stephen|Ri|1973|St,Ri|1969-1974
\Stewart, Ian|Ri|1973|St,Ri|1963-1975
\Malthouse, Mick|Ri|1980|St,Ri|1972-1983
\Perovic, Val|Ca|1981,82|St,Ca|1973-1985
\Greene, Russell|Ha|1983,86,88|St,Ha|1974-1988
\Harding, Paul|WC|1992|Ha,St,WC|1987-1994
\Rice, Dean|Ca|1995|St,Ca|1987-2001
\Wakelin, Darryl|PA|2004|St,PA|1995-2007
\Hall, Barry|Sy|2005|St,Sy,WB|1996-2011
\Guerra, Brent|Ha|2008,13|PA,St,Ha|2000-2013
\Ball, Luke|Co|2010|St,Co|2003-2014
\McEvoy, Ben|Ha|2014|St,Ha|2008-2014

Previous club before playing in a premiership (does not include players who moved more than once before playing in a premiership, e.g. Ern Hazel in table above):

20 Sydney
19 Melbourne, St.Kilda
18 Essendon
17 Geelong
16 Collingwood
14 Carlton, Richmond
11 Hawthorn, Fitzroy
10 Western Bulldogs
8 North Melbourne
5 West Coast
4 Adelaide, Brisbane, Port Adelaide
3 Fremantle
0 Gold Coast, Greater Western Sydney, University

The above includes 2 Carlton & 1 Richmond player who played for Essendon in 1924 (no GF).


Played in a premiership after two club changes (excluding players like Trent Croad who returned to their original club):

3 Fitzroy
2 Carlton, Collingwood, Melbourne, West Coast
1 Fremantle, Geelong, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, St.Kilda, Sydney


Returned to original club to win a premiership after shifting elsewhere (e.g. Trent Croad):

1 Collingwood, Essendon, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Richmond


Played in a premiership after three club changes: Martin Pike (Me-Fi-NM-Br)
 
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