Needs more then two options
At least an "OTHER" option. Geez.
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Needs more then two options
Unless of course the OP wants to know your opinion on who is more likely out of the 2 mentioned teams.At least an "OTHER" option. Geez.
Then perhaps the question ought to be re-phrased, 'who's more likely to end up lower on the ladder'.Unless of course the OP wants to know your opinion on who is more likely out of the 2 mentioned teams.
Who's more likely to make the GF in 2015? North Melb or Port? That doesn't mean they're the only 2 options but the question is interested in who you think out of the 2 options is more likely.
Nothing wrong with 'who is more likely to win the wooden spoon'. Makes perfect senseThen perhaps the question ought to be re-phrased, 'who's more likely to end up lower on the ladder'.
The thing is that we are probably the only team in the comp who aren't really that fussed about winning games yet. It's all about the long game for us and development (hence not giving Gwilt another contract, despite him coming 8th in our B&F this year and possibly having 3-4 more good years in him, and only targeting those under about 23yo during trade period), whereas every other team in the comp is wanting to move up the ladder and are really keen to win games. We have budgeted for at least 12 months now to finish very low in both 2014 and 2015.
There is if you believe neither one of the teams is likely to come last. It's a flawed poll.Nothing wrong with 'who is more likely to win the wooden spoon'. Makes perfect sense
Agree- it's easy to shrug off the loss of Griffen, Cooney and Higgins (along with Gia) by saying they're past it/injured, but they were still 3-4 of our most experienced and talented players and are only replaced by teenagers. Combined with the older blokes getting older again, I struggle to see how we won't dip next year (the improvement of our youngsters I think is unlikely to offset the loss and decline of others). Teams below us this year- Brisbane, Melbourne, GWS- should all improve, St Kilda might slightly improve but still remain low. It all depends on how far we drop and how far those below improve, but the Dogs are definitely a big chance for the spoon if things don't go our way.While I expect we'll have the spoon comfortably in the bag unless something pretty extraordinary happens, it will be interesting to see just how WB go next year, without Griffen (19 games this year), Cooney (18), Higgins (20) and Giansiricusa (15) and with Boyd, Murphy and Morris all due to turn 33yo next year and Minson 30. Like us, they probably wouldn't want to get too many injuries, or they could be in a bit of a world of hurt!
Hard not to say St Kilda, just based on history if nothing else
Don't think our history will play a part. In the AFL era, we have been reasonably successful for the most part without winning a premiership. I would be surprised if what happened in the VFL days affected many, if any, of our players when it comes to wooden spoons.
What will likely see us collect the spoon IMO will be our lack of talent in the right age group.
I think St Kilda are building their list nicely for the record- but they've got this strange propensity for picking up the wooden spoon any time they're within spitting distance of it. While I'm not an advocate for exclusively using the past to predict the future, this strange phenomenon still puts them at the top of the likelihood ladder for mine.Don't think our history will play a part. In the AFL era, we have been reasonably successful for the most part without winning a premiership. I would be surprised if what happened in the VFL days affected many, if any, of our players when it comes to wooden spoons.
What will likely see us collect the spoon IMO will be our lack of talent in the right age group.
I think St Kilda are building their list nicely for the record- but they've got this strange propensity for picking up the wooden spoon any time they're within spitting distance of it. While I'm not an advocate for exclusively using the past to predict the future, this strange phenomenon still puts them at the top of the likelihood ladder for mine.
Given we have traded to be in the position we are in I would hope we are around 18th next year.
There's no way in hell we would have gotten the spoon this year if we hadn't been poleaxed by injuries, especially around the early/middle part of the year. We were progressing nicely in the first 6 rounds, with 3 wins and also a 3 point loss (that we had every chance to win) but Riewoldt aggravated his knee early in that game and he went from the dominant force he had been since the beginning of the year to really struggling physically and then it all went downhill for us from there, getting injury after injury and we lost all momentum and confidence and were struggling to put a competitive team out on the park. The number of broken bones and stress type fractures we had was ridiculous.I think St Kilda are building their list nicely for the record- but they've got this strange propensity for picking up the wooden spoon any time they're within spitting distance of it. While I'm not an advocate for exclusively using the past to predict the future, this strange phenomenon still puts them at the top of the likelihood ladder for mine.
Barracking for St Kilda to go the tank?
Wont be tanking but when you delibrately choose to trade star mature age players to get lower picks and more of them finishing last is the result. Injuries on top of that helped last season.
Who were these star mature players you traded?
Crazy logic. And it's tanking no matter how you spin it. Deliberately modifying external factors to maximise chances of losing. Is that what Fortius Quo Fidelis stands for?
Goddard DalSanto McEvoy and to a lesser extent Stanley this season.
Did you trade Goddard and Dal Santo? I thought at least one of those two was a FA?
Same point though. You are advocating St Kilda tank, it's disgraceful. I wonder if your fellow supporters would support your view?
There is if you believe neither one of the teams is likely to come last. It's a flawed poll.
You would say that's where we are though. I'd say the same about Collingwood. But I, as you have done, would be ignoring the facts.
Magpies , from premiers , to runners up , to finals also rans , to middle of the road ...... Even joffa could work out this trend !!
Collingwood the smokey.